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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006(Toledo Blade)
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'Joe the plumber' isn’t licensed Local man focus of presidential debate By LARRY VELLEQUETTE and TOM TROY BLADE STAFF WRITERS "Joe the Plumber" isn’t a plumber — at least not a licensed one, or a registered one. A check of state and local licensing agencies in Ohio and Michigan shows no plumbing licenses under Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher’s name, or even misspellings of his name. Last night, his name, "Joe the Plumber," came up about two dozen times in the debate between Mr. Obama and Republican nominee John McCain. Since last night Mr. Wurzelbacher who lives alone with his 13-year-old son has been besieged with local and national news media, willingly granting interviews. Mr. Wurzelbacher told reporters Thursday morning that he worked for Newell Plumbing & Heating Co., a small local firm whose business addresses flow back to several residential homes, including one on Talmadge Road in Ottawa Hills. According to Lucas County Building Inspection records, A. W. Newell Corp. does maintain a state plumbing license, and one with the City of Toledo, but would not be allowed to work in Lucas County outside of Toledo without a county license. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell’s license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work. He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he’s not a plumber. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was hired by Mr. Newell six years ago and that the possibility of him eventually buying the company was discussed during his job interview. He said it’s his understanding he can work under Mr. Newell’s license as long as the licensed contractor works on the same site. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he is working on taking the Ohio plumbing contractors’ license test. Mr. Wulzerbacher’s notoriety has raised the ire of Tom Joseph, business manager for Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters, and Service Mechanics, who claimed that Mr. Wulzerbacher didn’t undergo any apprenticeship training. "When you have guys going out there with no training whatsoever, it’s a little disreputable to start with," Mr. Joseph said. "We’re the real Joe the Plumber." Mr. Joseph said Mr. Wulzerbacher could only legally work in the townships, but not in any municipality in Lucas County or elsewhere in the country. "This individual has got no schooling, no licenses, he’s never been to a training program, union or non-union, in the United States of America," Mr. Joseph said. The association has endorsed Barack Obama, according to Mr. Joseph. Questions were raised Thursday morning whether Mr. Wurzelbacher is a registered voter. Linda Howe, executive director of the Lucas County Board of Elections, said a Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher, whose address and age match Joe the Plumber’s, registered in Lucas County on Sept. 10, 1992. He voted in his first primary on March 4 of this year, registering as a Republican. Ms. Howe said that the name may be misspelled in the database. Mr. Wurzelbacher, 34, acknowledged during an interview at his home late Thursday morning that he knows he’s "a flash in the pan," after his fame spread for an impromptu debate he had in front of his Springfield Township home with Mr. Obama last Sunday. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he objects to Mr. Obama’s plans to raise income taxes on incomes above $250,000. He said he makes no where near that much money but he would not say how much he makes or if he ever expects to make $250,000. Court records from a divorce show Mr. Wurzelbacher made $40,000 in 2006. He said, "Is it right to take someone’s money because they work a little harder? It’s taking away from someone’s hard work." Mr. Wurzelbacher said he disagrees with the idea of people being taxed at a higher rate because they earn more. "They’re going to take more of your money because you’ve been more successful," he said. In January, 2007, the Ohio Department of Taxation placed a lien against him because $1,183 in personal property taxes had not been paid, but there has been no action in the case since it was filed. Mr. Wurzelbacher was playing football in his front yard with his son, Joey, on Sunday afternoon when Mr. Obama made an unscheduled stop to go door to door greeting voters and asking for their support. In his conversation with Mr. Wurzelbacher, Mr. Obama tried to justify his plan tax breaks to 95 percent of Americans and raise taxes on incomes above $250,000. Mr. Obama said his plan would improve the economy for other people trying to get a start in small business, and "spread the wealth." The phrase was quickly picked up by conservative bloggers and commentators saying it reveals a desire to redistributed wealth on the part of Mr. Obama. During that same conversation, Mr. Wurzelbacher advocated a flat tax to Mr. Obama under which everyone would pay the same rate of tax which was a feature of Mike Huckabee’s unsuccessful campaign for the Republican nomination this year. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was surprised by the spread the wealth phrase. "That’s a pretty socialist comment. Two-fifty ($250,000) is his number now. When is it going to be one fifty ($150,000), when it’s going to be one hundred ($100,000)?" He continued: "If you believe him, I would be receiving his tax cut," adding that he would not want the tax cut. He won’t say who he will vote for on Nov. 4, but did say he likes Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin. He said he was born in the Toledo area, lived until he was 13 in the Florida Panhandle area, went to Springfield High School, and then entered the U.S. Air Force. He was stationed at an Air Force base in Alaska from 1992 until 1995. He said he was honorably discharged. Mr. Wurzelbacher also said he lived in Arizona from 1997 until 2000. -------------------- 'Joe the Plumber' is focus of presidential debate's first few minutes From earlier editions of toledoblade.com By BRIDGET THARP and MARK ZABORNEY BLADE STAFF WRITERS The story of "Joe the Plumber" - Joe Wurzelbacher of Shrewsbury Street in Springfield Township - became a centerpiece of the early minutes of the presidential debate last night. And Joe the Plumber became the subject of national and international interest. Mr. Wurzelbacher, 34, was more interested in taking in the debate than in assessing his place in presidential politics. "Honestly, I'm a small part of it," Mr. Wurzelbacher said. "They're just using me as an example right now for the American public. I think they're discussing more important is-sues." He excused himself so he could finish watching Barack Obama and John McCain debate. But after the debate, Mr. Wurzelbacher expressed some embarrassment that he was now known across America as Joe the Plumber. "There's a lot more important issues than me, and I'm starting to feel a little uncomfortable with it," he said. "Everyone's more worried about what Joe the Plumber has to say than what Obama or McCain has to say." While watching the debate at home with his father, he was interrupted several times by calls from the national media including CNN, Fox News, and Good Morning America. In addition, CNBC, ABC News, the Wall Street Journal, the Houston Chronicle, and the BBC called The Blade in their quest to reach Joe the Plumber. Mr. Wurzelbacher and Mr. Obama had something of a debate Sunday as the candidate walked house to house on Shrewsbury at the start of the candidate's four-day visit in the Toledo area. He told Mr. Obama that he was trying to buy a plumbing business. "I'm being taxed more and more for fulfilling the American dream," Mr. Wurzelbacher said Sunday. Mr. Obama said, in part, "It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody that is behind you, that they have a chance for success, too. "I think that when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." The exchange was caught on videotape and was broadcast on a variety of news outlets and put on numerous Web sites, including YouTube. It was the "spread the wealth around" comment that caught the attention of conservative commentators, including Rush Limbaugh, and in discussions on the Internet. Mr. Wurzelbacher was a guest of Fox News' Neil Cavuto on Tuesday. During the debate, Mr. McCain challenged Mr. Obama: "Joe wants to buy the business that he has been in for all of these years, worked 10, 12 hours a day. And he wanted to buy the business, but he looked at your tax plan and he saw that he was going to pay much higher taxes." "You were going to put him in a higher tax bracket which was going to increase his taxes, which was going to cause him not to be able to employ people, which Joe was trying to realize the American dream," Mr. McCain said. Mr. McCain then looked directly into the television camera and said: "Joe, I want to tell you, I'll not only help you buy that business that you worked your whole life for and I'll keep your taxes low and I'll provide available and affordable health care for you and your employees. And I will not stand for a tax increase on small-business income." Mr. Obama denied that was true. "Not only do 98 percent of small businesses make less than $250,000, but I also want to give them additional tax breaks because they are the drivers of the economy," Mr. Obama said. "They produce the most jobs." Mr. Wurzelbacher came up again when the debate turned to a discussion of health-care policies. Mr. McCain charged that Mr. Obama's plan would fine the company Mr. Wurzelbacher wanted to buy; Mr. Obama said small businesses were exempt. "Hey Joe, you're rich. Congratulations," Mr. McCain said mockingly. Mr. Obama didn't win Mr. Wurzelbacher's support on Sunday, and he didn't change his mind last night. He did allow, "Obama, you can't take away that he's a damn good speaker." Overall, though, Mr. Wurzelbacher was pleased with Mr. McCain's performance. "McCain was doing much better this time," he said. "McCain came across with some solid points. I like his tax cuts." But he said Mr. Obama's health-care plan scares him. "It's just one step closer to socialism," he said. He said he hopes both candidates will talk about family and family values before the November election because he believes problems such as education and senior health care should come back to families taking care of each other. "Sense of family has to be brought back," Mr. Wurzelbacher said. He added: "I believe there was too much emphasis put on me. The debate was more important." Information from the Associated Press was used in this report. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- McCain goes for jugular - Reuters photo: http://www.theage.com.au/world/us-el...1016-52c9.html |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
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http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418 He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he’s not a plumber. No, it means he's an unlicensed plumber. You think Dr. Pepper is board certified? |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
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. .. wrote in message ... http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418 He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he's not a plumber. No, it means he's an unlicensed plumber. You think Dr. Pepper is board certified?  |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
wrote in message ... http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418 'Joe the plumber' isn’t licensed Local man focus of presidential debate By LARRY VELLEQUETTE and TOM TROY BLADE STAFF WRITERS "Joe the Plumber" isn’t a plumber — at least not a licensed one, or a registered one. A check of state and local licensing agencies in Ohio and Michigan shows no plumbing licenses under Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher’s name, or even misspellings of his name. Last night, his name, "Joe the Plumber," came up about two dozen times in the debate between Mr. Obama and Republican nominee John McCain. Since last night Mr. Wurzelbacher who lives alone with his 13-year-old son has been besieged with local and national news media, willingly granting interviews. Mr. Wurzelbacher told reporters Thursday morning that he worked for Newell Plumbing & Heating Co., a small local firm whose business addresses flow back to several residential homes, including one on Talmadge Road in Ottawa Hills. According to Lucas County Building Inspection records, A. W. Newell Corp. does maintain a state plumbing license, and one with the City of Toledo, but would not be allowed to work in Lucas County outside of Toledo without a county license. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell’s license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work. He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he’s not a plumber. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was hired by Mr. Newell six years ago and that the possibility of him eventually buying the company was discussed during his job interview. He said it’s his understanding he can work under Mr. Newell’s license as long as the licensed contractor works on the same site. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he is working on taking the Ohio plumbing contractors’ license test. Mr. Wulzerbacher’s notoriety has raised the ire of Tom Joseph, business manager for Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters, and Service Mechanics, who claimed that Mr. Wulzerbacher didn’t undergo any apprenticeship training. "When you have guys going out there with no training whatsoever, it’s a little disreputable to start with," Mr. Joseph said. "We’re the real Joe the Plumber." Mr. Joseph said Mr. Wulzerbacher could only legally work in the townships, but not in any municipality in Lucas County or elsewhere in the country. "This individual has got no schooling, no licenses, he’s never been to a training program, union or non-union, in the United States of America," Mr. Joseph said. The association has endorsed Barack Obama, according to Mr. Joseph. Questions were raised Thursday morning whether Mr. Wurzelbacher is a registered voter. Linda Howe, executive director of the Lucas County Board of Elections, said a Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher, whose address and age match Joe the Plumber’s, registered in Lucas County on Sept. 10, 1992. He voted in his first primary on March 4 of this year, registering as a Republican. Ms. Howe said that the name may be misspelled in the database. Mr. Wurzelbacher, 34, acknowledged during an interview at his home late Thursday morning that he knows he’s "a flash in the pan," after his fame spread for an impromptu debate he had in front of his Springfield Township home with Mr. Obama last Sunday. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he objects to Mr. Obama’s plans to raise income taxes on incomes above $250,000. He said he makes no where near that much money but he would not say how much he makes or if he ever expects to make $250,000. Court records from a divorce show Mr. Wurzelbacher made $40,000 in 2006. He said, "Is it right to take someone’s money because they work a little harder? It’s taking away from someone’s hard work." Mr. Wurzelbacher said he disagrees with the idea of people being taxed at a higher rate because they earn more. "They’re going to take more of your money because you’ve been more successful," he said. In January, 2007, the Ohio Department of Taxation placed a lien against him because $1,183 in personal property taxes had not been paid, but there has been no action in the case since it was filed. Mr. Wurzelbacher was playing football in his front yard with his son, Joey, on Sunday afternoon when Mr. Obama made an unscheduled stop to go door to door greeting voters and asking for their support. In his conversation with Mr. Wurzelbacher, Mr. Obama tried to justify his plan tax breaks to 95 percent of Americans and raise taxes on incomes above $250,000. Mr. Obama said his plan would improve the economy for other people trying to get a start in small business, and "spread the wealth." The phrase was quickly picked up by conservative bloggers and commentators saying it reveals a desire to redistributed wealth on the part of Mr. Obama. During that same conversation, Mr. Wurzelbacher advocated a flat tax to Mr. Obama under which everyone would pay the same rate of tax which was a feature of Mike Huckabee’s unsuccessful campaign for the Republican nomination this year. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was surprised by the spread the wealth phrase. "That’s a pretty socialist comment. Two-fifty ($250,000) is his number now. When is it going to be one fifty ($150,000), when it’s going to be one hundred ($100,000)?" He continued: "If you believe him, I would be receiving his tax cut," adding that he would not want the tax cut. He won’t say who he will vote for on Nov. 4, but did say he likes Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin. He said he was born in the Toledo area, lived until he was 13 in the Florida Panhandle area, went to Springfield High School, and then entered the U.S. Air Force. He was stationed at an Air Force base in Alaska from 1992 until 1995. He said he was honorably discharged. Mr. Wurzelbacher also said he lived in Arizona from 1997 until 2000. -------------------- 'Joe the Plumber' is focus of presidential debate's first few minutes From earlier editions of toledoblade.com By BRIDGET THARP and MARK ZABORNEY BLADE STAFF WRITERS The story of "Joe the Plumber" - Joe Wurzelbacher of Shrewsbury Street in Springfield Township - became a centerpiece of the early minutes of the presidential debate last night. And Joe the Plumber became the subject of national and international interest. Mr. Wurzelbacher, 34, was more interested in taking in the debate than in assessing his place in presidential politics. "Honestly, I'm a small part of it," Mr. Wurzelbacher said. "They're just using me as an example right now for the American public. I think they're discussing more important is-sues." He excused himself so he could finish watching Barack Obama and John McCain debate. But after the debate, Mr. Wurzelbacher expressed some embarrassment that he was now known across America as Joe the Plumber. "There's a lot more important issues than me, and I'm starting to feel a little uncomfortable with it," he said. "Everyone's more worried about what Joe the Plumber has to say than what Obama or McCain has to say." While watching the debate at home with his father, he was interrupted several times by calls from the national media including CNN, Fox News, and Good Morning America. In addition, CNBC, ABC News, the Wall Street Journal, the Houston Chronicle, and the BBC called The Blade in their quest to reach Joe the Plumber. Mr. Wurzelbacher and Mr. Obama had something of a debate Sunday as the candidate walked house to house on Shrewsbury at the start of the candidate's four-day visit in the Toledo area. He told Mr. Obama that he was trying to buy a plumbing business. "I'm being taxed more and more for fulfilling the American dream," Mr. Wurzelbacher said Sunday. Mr. Obama said, in part, "It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody that is behind you, that they have a chance for success, too. "I think that when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." The exchange was caught on videotape and was broadcast on a variety of news outlets and put on numerous Web sites, including YouTube. It was the "spread the wealth around" comment that caught the attention of conservative commentators, including Rush Limbaugh, and in discussions on the Internet. Mr. Wurzelbacher was a guest of Fox News' Neil Cavuto on Tuesday. During the debate, Mr. McCain challenged Mr. Obama: "Joe wants to buy the business that he has been in for all of these years, worked 10, 12 hours a day. And he wanted to buy the business, but he looked at your tax plan and he saw that he was going to pay much higher taxes." "You were going to put him in a higher tax bracket which was going to increase his taxes, which was going to cause him not to be able to employ people, which Joe was trying to realize the American dream," Mr. McCain said. Mr. McCain then looked directly into the television camera and said: "Joe, I want to tell you, I'll not only help you buy that business that you worked your whole life for and I'll keep your taxes low and I'll provide available and affordable health care for you and your employees. And I will not stand for a tax increase on small-business income." Mr. Obama denied that was true. "Not only do 98 percent of small businesses make less than $250,000, but I also want to give them additional tax breaks because they are the drivers of the economy," Mr. Obama said. "They produce the most jobs." Mr. Wurzelbacher came up again when the debate turned to a discussion of health-care policies. Mr. McCain charged that Mr. Obama's plan would fine the company Mr. Wurzelbacher wanted to buy; Mr. Obama said small businesses were exempt. "Hey Joe, you're rich. Congratulations," Mr. McCain said mockingly. Mr. Obama didn't win Mr. Wurzelbacher's support on Sunday, and he didn't change his mind last night. He did allow, "Obama, you can't take away that he's a damn good speaker." Overall, though, Mr. Wurzelbacher was pleased with Mr. McCain's performance. "McCain was doing much better this time," he said. "McCain came across with some solid points. I like his tax cuts." But he said Mr. Obama's health-care plan scares him. "It's just one step closer to socialism," he said. He said he hopes both candidates will talk about family and family values before the November election because he believes problems such as education and senior health care should come back to families taking care of each other. "Sense of family has to be brought back," Mr. Wurzelbacher said. He added: "I believe there was too much emphasis put on me. The debate was more important." Information from the Associated Press was used in this report. --------------------------------------------------------------------------------- McCain goes for jugular - Reuters photo: http://www.theage.com.au/world/us-el...1016-52c9.html And all your parsing and picking apart the man, doesn't change the fact that Obama wants to take money from his paycheck and give it to other people who have less than he does. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
"nospam" wrote in message . .. wrote in message ... http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418 He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he's not a plumber. No, it means he's an unlicensed plumber. You think Dr. Pepper is board certified? Read the article. He's not a plumber per the state he works in. I don't want him working on my house. This is another example of McCain's bad luck and bad research. olddog |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
McCain goes for jugular - Reuters photo: http://www.theage.com.au/world/us-el...1016-52c9.html If I'm ever dumb enough to talk to a politician in front of TV cameras, I will give my name as ummmm, ummmm, SMITH! Yea, that's it Smith, John Smith. Yea that's me. Could you at least be wise enough to snip the original news/storyline when posting a comment? Unless you're replying to a section of it, then you could keep that part, but having to scroll through the whole thing again to read a small comment won't kill anyone, but would be nice to quickly read on. |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
"RBM" wrote in message ... and here are the instigators: Mr. Wulzerbacher's notoriety has raised the ire of Tom Joseph, business manager for Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters, and Service Mechanics, who claimed that Mr. Wulzerbacher didn't undergo any apprenticeship training. "When you have guys going out there with no training whatsoever, it's a little disreputable to start with," Mr. Joseph said. "We're the real Joe the Plumber." Mr. Joseph said Mr. Wulzerbacher could only legally work in the townships, but not in any municipality in Lucas County or elsewhere in the country. "This individual has got no schooling, no licenses, he's never been to a training program, union or non-union, in the United States of America," Mr. Joseph said. The association has endorsed Barack Obama, according to Mr. Joseph. of course they have. the unions only back communists, their comrades. |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
McCain goes for jugular - Reuters photo:
http://www.theage.com.au/world/us-el...1016-52c9.html And all your parsing and picking apart the man, doesn't change the fact that Obama wants to take money from his paycheck and give it to other people who have less than he does. "From each according to his ability, to each according to his need" This story would have much better "legs" if it were based in fact. Great Photo! olddog |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
nospam wrote:
wrote in message ... http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418 He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he’s not a plumber. No, it means he's an unlicensed plumber. You think Dr. Pepper is board certified? He should appeal to Acorn to get him licensed. Should be easy in Ohio  |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
SBH wrote:
McCain goes for jugular - Reuters photo: http://www.theage.com.au/world/us-el...1016-52c9.html If I'm ever dumb enough to talk to a politician in front of TV cameras, I will give my name as ummmm, ummmm, SMITH! Yea, that's it Smith, John Smith. Yea that's me. Could you at least be wise enough to snip the original news/storyline when posting a comment? Unless you're replying to a section of it, then you could keep that part, but having to scroll through the whole thing again to read a small comment won't kill anyone, but would be nice to quickly read on. You need the exercise. *snicker* Besides, after a few snips and edits, the thread becomes impossible to comprehend. Especially if it goes on and on like this one might. TDD |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 17:44:29 -0400, Claude Hopper
wrote: wrote: http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418 'Joe the plumber' isn’t licensed Local man focus of presidential debate By LARRY VELLEQUETTE and TOM TROY BLADE STAFF WRITERS I got the impression he is a plumbing contractor in which case he has licensed plumbers working for him and he does not need a license. I also got the impression, with his chat with Obama, that he made OVER $250,000 a year and was going to get hit with Obama's tax increase for the wealthy. That was my impression. And he sure didn't go register as a plumber 73 times, did he? And he didn't apply for a plumbing license under the name Mickey Mouse, did he? Boy, some of these Libbos are scared out of their skins. AND I did hear Obama putting him down later on in another speech. Now THAT one will cost him working people's votes. Laugh at people who get their hands dirty in order to feed their families? Pooh-poohing Joe making 250, 000 dollars a year? I believe this should be about average for a plumbing contractor. |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in2006 (Toledo Blade)
On 16 oct, 22:42, wrote:
http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...0081016/NEWS09.... 'Joe the plumber' isn’t licensed Local man focus of presidential debate By LARRY VELLEQUETTE and TOM TROY BLADE STAFF WRITERS "Joe the Plumber" isn’t a plumber — at least not a licensed one, or a registered one. A check of state and local licensing agencies in Ohio and Michigan shows no plumbing licenses under Samuel Joseph Wurzelbacher’s name, or even misspellings of his name. Last night, his name, "Joe the Plumber," came up about two dozen times in the debate between Mr. Obama and Republican nominee John McCain. Since last night Mr. Wurzelbacher who lives alone with his 13-year-old son has been besieged with local and national news media, willingly granting interviews. Mr. Wurzelbacher told reporters Thursday morning that he worked for Newell Plumbing & Heating Co., a small local firm whose business addresses flow back to several residential homes, including one on Talmadge Road in Ottawa Hills. According to Lucas County Building Inspection records, A. W. Newell Corp. does maintain a state plumbing license, and one with the City of Toledo, but would not be allowed to work in Lucas County outside of Toledo without a county license. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell’s license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work. He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he’s not a plumber. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was hired by Mr. Newell six years ago and that the possibility of him eventually buying the company was discussed during his job interview. He said it’s his understanding he can work under Mr. Newell’s license as long as the licensed contractor works on the same site. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he is working on taking the Ohio plumbing contractors’ license test. Mr. Wulzerbacher’s notoriety has raised the ire of Tom Joseph, business manager for Local 50 of the United Association of Plumbers, Steamfitters, and Service Mechanics, who claimed that Mr. Wulzerbacher didn’t undergo any apprenticeship training. "When you have guys going out there with no training whatsoever, it’s a little disreputable to start with," Mr. Joseph said. "We’re the real Joe the Plumber." Mr. Joseph said Mr. Wulzerbacher could only legally work in the townships, but not in any municipality in Lucas County or elsewhere in the country. "This individual has got no schooling, no licenses, he’s never been to a training program, union or non-union, in the United States of America," Mr. Joseph said. The association has endorsed Barack Obama, according to Mr. Joseph. Questions were raised Thursday morning whether Mr. Wurzelbacher is a registered voter. Linda Howe, executive director of the Lucas County Board of Elections, said a Samuel Joseph Worzelbacher, whose address and age match Joe the Plumber’s, registered in Lucas County on Sept. 10, 1992. He voted in his first primary on March 4 of this year, registering as a Republican. Ms. Howe said that the name may be misspelled in the database. Mr. Wurzelbacher, 34, acknowledged during an interview at his home late Thursday morning that he knows he’s "a flash in the pan," after his fame spread for an impromptu debate he had in front of his Springfield Township home with Mr. Obama last Sunday. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he objects to Mr. Obama’s plans to raise income taxes on incomes above $250,000. He said he makes no where near that much money but he would not say how much he makes or if he ever expects to make $250,000. Court records from a divorce show Mr. Wurzelbacher made $40,000 in 2006. He said, "Is it right to take someone’s money because they work a little harder? It’s taking away from someone’s hard work." Mr. Wurzelbacher said he disagrees with the idea of people being taxed at a higher rate because they earn more. "They’re going to take more of your money because you’ve been more successful," he said. In January, 2007, the Ohio Department of Taxation placed a lien against him because $1,183 in personal property taxes had not been paid, but there has been no action in the case since it was filed. Mr. Wurzelbacher was playing football in his front yard with his son, Joey, on Sunday afternoon when Mr. Obama made an unscheduled stop to go door to door greeting voters and asking for their support. In his conversation with Mr. Wurzelbacher, Mr. Obama tried to justify his plan tax breaks to 95 percent of Americans and raise taxes on incomes above $250,000. Mr. Obama said his plan would improve the economy for other people trying to get a start in small business, and "spread the wealth." The phrase was quickly picked up by conservative bloggers and commentators saying it reveals a desire to redistributed wealth on the part of Mr. Obama. During that same conversation, Mr. Wurzelbacher advocated a flat tax to Mr. Obama under which everyone would pay the same rate of tax which was a feature of Mike Huckabee’s unsuccessful campaign for the Republican nomination this year. Mr. Wurzelbacher said he was surprised by the spread the wealth phrase. "That’s a pretty socialist comment. Two-fifty ($250,000) is his number now. When is it going to be one fifty ($150,000), when it’s going to be one hundred ($100,000)?" He continued: "If you believe him, I would be receiving his tax cut," adding that he would not want the tax cut. He won’t say who he will vote for on Nov. 4, but did say he likes Republican vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin. He said he was born in the Toledo area, lived until he was 13 in the Florida Panhandle area, went to Springfield High School, and then entered the U.S. Air Force. He was stationed at an Air Force base in Alaska from 1992 until 1995. He said he was honorably discharged. Mr. Wurzelbacher also said he lived in Arizona from 1997 until 2000. -------------------- 'Joe the Plumber' is focus of presidential debate's first few minutes From earlier editions of toledoblade.com By BRIDGET THARP and MARK ZABORNEY BLADE STAFF WRITERS The story of "Joe the Plumber" - Joe Wurzelbacher of Shrewsbury Street in Springfield Township - became a centerpiece of the early minutes of the presidential debate last night. And Joe the Plumber became the subject of national and international interest. Mr. Wurzelbacher, 34, was more interested in taking in the debate than in assessing his place in presidential politics. "Honestly, I'm a small part of it," Mr. Wurzelbacher said. "They're just using me as an example right now for the American public. I think they're discussing more important is-sues." He excused himself so he could finish watching Barack Obama and John McCain debate. But after the debate, Mr. Wurzelbacher expressed some embarrassment that he was now known across America as Joe the Plumber. "There's a lot more important issues than me, and I'm starting to feel a little uncomfortable with it," he said. "Everyone's more worried about what Joe the Plumber has to say than what Obama or McCain has to say." While watching the debate at home with his father, he was interrupted several times by calls from the national media including CNN, Fox News, and Good Morning America. In addition, CNBC, ABC News, the Wall Street Journal, the Houston Chronicle, and the BBC called The Blade in their quest to reach Joe the Plumber. Mr. Wurzelbacher and Mr. Obama had something of a debate Sunday as the candidate walked house to house on Shrewsbury at the start of the candidate's four-day visit in the Toledo area. He told Mr. Obama that he was trying to buy a plumbing business. "I'm being taxed more and more for fulfilling the American dream," Mr. Wurzelbacher said Sunday. Mr. Obama said, in part, "It's not that I want to punish your success. I just want to make sure that everybody that is behind you, that they have a chance for success, too. "I think that when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody." The exchange was caught on videotape and was broadcast on a variety of news outlets and put on numerous Web sites, including YouTube. It was the "spread the wealth around" comment that caught the attention of conservative commentators, including Rush Limbaugh, and in discussions on the Internet. Mr. Wurzelbacher was a guest of Fox News' Neil Cavuto on Tuesday. During the debate, Mr. McCain challenged Mr. Obama: "Joe wants to buy the business that he has been in for all of these years, worked 10, 12 hours a day. And he wanted to buy the business, but he looked at your tax plan and he saw that he was going to pay much higher taxes." "You were going to put him in a higher tax bracket which was going to increase his taxes, which was going to cause him not to be able to employ people, which Joe was trying to realize the American dream," Mr. McCain said. Mr. McCain then looked directly into the television camera and said: "Joe, I want to tell you, I'll not only help you buy that business that you worked your whole life for and I'll keep your taxes low and I'll provide available and affordable health care for you and your employees. And I will not stand for a tax increase on small-business income." Mr. Obama denied that was true. "Not only do 98 percent of small businesses make less than $250,000, but I also want to give them additional tax breaks because they are the drivers of the economy," Mr. Obama said. "They produce the most jobs." Mr. Wurzelbacher came up again when the debate turned to a discussion of health-care policies. Mr. McCain charged that Mr. Obama's plan would fine the company Mr. Wurzelbacher wanted to buy; Mr. Obama said small businesses were exempt. "Hey Joe, you're rich. Congratulations," Mr. McCain said mockingly. Mr. Obama didn't win Mr. Wurzelbacher's support on Sunday, and he didn't change his mind last night. He did allow, "Obama, you can't take away that he's a damn good speaker." Overall, though, ... plus de détails » Now the Democrat party will try and have him arrested on some phony charge. |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
"retired54" wrote in message
... "nospam" wrote in message . .. wrote in message ... http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418 He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he's not a plumber. No, it means he's an unlicensed plumber. You think Dr. Pepper is board certified? Read the article. He's not a plumber per the state he works in. I don't want him working on my house. This is another example of McCain's bad luck and bad research. olddog News said he is not licensed because he works onder someone else. Not sure of the legality of this. He owes the state of OH ~$1,500 in back taxes. He is now appearing on all sorts of shows. He probably will end up with a fine chunk of $$ after his 30 minutes of fame. |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in2006 (Toledo Blade)
It doesn't matter. Obama's new middle name is "Spread the Wealth
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
"JohnR66" wrote in message ... "retired54" wrote in message ... "nospam" wrote in message . .. wrote in message ... http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418 He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he's not a plumber. No, it means he's an unlicensed plumber. You think Dr. Pepper is board certified? Read the article. He's not a plumber per the state he works in. I don't want him working on my house. This is another example of McCain's bad luck and bad research. olddog News said he is not licensed because he works onder someone else. Not sure of the legality of this. He owes the state of OH ~$1,500 in back taxes. He is now appearing on all sorts of shows. He probably will end up with a fine chunk of $$ after his 30 minutes of fame. This is a quote from the article: "Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell's license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work. He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he's not a plumber." Too bad for McCain. It could of been his potential "game changer". His continued reference to "Joe the plumber" is as Orwellian as Palin's "there was no abuse of power". olddog |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message
... You need the exercise. *snicker* Besides, after a few snips and edits, the thread becomes impossible to comprehend. Especially if it goes on and on like this one might. TDD No it doesn't. Cheri |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
retired54 wrote:
"nospam" wrote in message . .. wrote in message ... http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418 He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he's not a plumber. No, it means he's an unlicensed plumber. You think Dr. Pepper is board certified? Read the article. He's not a plumber per the state he works in. I don't want him working on my house. This is another example of McCain's bad luck and bad research. olddog Not really, lots of folks who are not qualified or licensed to perform a service own businesses. They simply need staff who are licensed and qualified. A couple I know own a chain of beauty salons. Neither are licensed, qualified or interested in working on someones hair but their staff are. A friend owns a trucking company. He is not licensed to drive large trucks but he doesn't need to be because if you call him to transport something one of his drivers who is licensed will operate the truck. In both cases my friends have good business sense and know how to promote and grow an honest business and are very busy performing that job. |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
"George" wrote in message . .. retired54 wrote: "nospam" wrote in message . .. wrote in message ... http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418 He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he's not a plumber. No, it means he's an unlicensed plumber. You think Dr. Pepper is board certified? Read the article. He's not a plumber per the state he works in. I don't want him working on my house. This is another example of McCain's bad luck and bad research. olddog Not really, lots of folks who are not qualified or licensed to perform a service own businesses. They simply need staff who are licensed and qualified. A couple I know own a chain of beauty salons. Neither are licensed, qualified or interested in working on someones hair but their staff are. A friend owns a trucking company. He is not licensed to drive large trucks but he doesn't need to be because if you call him to transport something one of his drivers who is licensed will operate the truck. In both cases my friends have good business sense and know how to promote and grow an honest business and are very busy performing that job. simply.....he's not "joe the plumber" if he isn't legally licensed to be a plumber in the state he works in. he's "joe I'm pretending to be a plumber" and please...don't encourage him... again read the article: "Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell's license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work. He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he's not a plumber." olddog |
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:02:57 GMT, "retired54" wrote:
"George" wrote in message ... retired54 wrote: "nospam" wrote in message . .. wrote in message ... http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418 He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he's not a plumber. No, it means he's an unlicensed plumber. You think Dr. Pepper is board certified? Read the article. He's not a plumber per the state he works in. I don't want him working on my house. This is another example of McCain's bad luck and bad research. olddog Not really, lots of folks who are not qualified or licensed to perform a service own businesses. They simply need staff who are licensed and qualified. A couple I know own a chain of beauty salons. Neither are licensed, qualified or interested in working on someones hair but their staff are. A friend owns a trucking company. He is not licensed to drive large trucks but he doesn't need to be because if you call him to transport something one of his drivers who is licensed will operate the truck. In both cases my friends have good business sense and know how to promote and grow an honest business and are very busy performing that job. simply.....he's not "joe the plumber" if he isn't legally licensed to be a plumber in the state he works in. he's "joe I'm pretending to be a plumber" and please...don't encourage him... again read the article: "Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell's license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work. He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he's not a plumber." olddog How does he feel about WD-40 as a lubricant? |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
wrote in message ... On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 23:02:57 GMT, "retired54" wrote: "George" wrote in message m... retired54 wrote: "nospam" wrote in message . .. wrote in message ... http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418 He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he's not a plumber. No, it means he's an unlicensed plumber. You think Dr. Pepper is board certified? Read the article. He's not a plumber per the state he works in. I don't want him working on my house. This is another example of McCain's bad luck and bad research. olddog Not really, lots of folks who are not qualified or licensed to perform a service own businesses. They simply need staff who are licensed and qualified. A couple I know own a chain of beauty salons. Neither are licensed, qualified or interested in working on someones hair but their staff are. A friend owns a trucking company. He is not licensed to drive large trucks but he doesn't need to be because if you call him to transport something one of his drivers who is licensed will operate the truck. In both cases my friends have good business sense and know how to promote and grow an honest business and are very busy performing that job. simply.....he's not "joe the plumber" if he isn't legally licensed to be a plumber in the state he works in. he's "joe I'm pretending to be a plumber" and please...don't encourage him... again read the article: "Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell's license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work. He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he's not a plumber." olddog How does he feel about WD-40 as a lubricant? Hey!! It's almost on topic! olddog |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:29:57 -0700 (PDT), mike
wrote: It doesn't matter. Obama's new middle name is "Spread the Wealth Around". Well,they're still a bunch of dirty *******s. They will see that Joe is persecuted. He may as well forget about taking that examination for hsi plumber's license. They will fail him, sure enough. And they will be going back over his entire life for infractions of all sorts. Like Cap said: they will have him arrested on some charge or other. While they fight the Federal courts to keep them from forcing them to obey the law. If this bunch goes in, then we have had it as a country. |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
retired54 wrote:
"George" wrote in message . .. retired54 wrote: "nospam" wrote in message . .. wrote in message ... http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418 He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he's not a plumber. No, it means he's an unlicensed plumber. You think Dr. Pepper is board certified? Read the article. He's not a plumber per the state he works in. I don't want him working on my house. This is another example of McCain's bad luck and bad research. olddog Not really, lots of folks who are not qualified or licensed to perform a service own businesses. They simply need staff who are licensed and qualified. A couple I know own a chain of beauty salons. Neither are licensed, qualified or interested in working on someones hair but their staff are. A friend owns a trucking company. He is not licensed to drive large trucks but he doesn't need to be because if you call him to transport something one of his drivers who is licensed will operate the truck. In both cases my friends have good business sense and know how to promote and grow an honest business and are very busy performing that job. simply.....he's not "joe the plumber" if he isn't legally licensed to be a plumber in the state he works in. he's "joe I'm pretending to be a plumber" and please...don't encourage him... again read the article: "Mr. Wurzelbacher said he works under Al Newell's license, but according to Ohio building regulations, he must maintain his own license to do plumbing work. He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he's not a plumber." olddog I suspect there is a lot more to this than the article reported. There are certainly firms where the owners are not licensed. I just remembered my buddies' dad who was the licensed person for a large regional industrial/commercial plumbing contracting firm in my area. When he retired they hired a person with similar credentials. Neither of the two partners who own "Acme Plumbing" where my friend's dad worked are licensed and they do lots of factory, school, mall etc work. |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
Cheri wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message ... You need the exercise. *snicker* Besides, after a few snips and edits, the thread becomes impossible to comprehend. Especially if it goes on and on like this one might. TDD No it doesn't. Cheri Hey! I was yanking SBH's chain. Don't butt in. I could be some kind of strange prevert who would come looking for you. LOL TDD |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message ... Cheri wrote: "The Daring Dufas" wrote in message ... You need the exercise. *snicker* Besides, after a few snips and edits, the thread becomes impossible to comprehend. Especially if it goes on and on like this one might. TDD No it doesn't. Cheri Hey! I was yanking SBH's chain. Don't butt in. I could be some kind of strange prevert who would come looking for you. LOL TDD You may be on to something about the thread going on and on. (envisioning a bunny with drums) |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
on 10/16/2008 8:30 PM alarman said the following:
wrote: 'Joe the plumber' isn't licensed In CA, tradespeople who work for a company are not licensed. The licence is issued to the contractor, (the boss, owner, partnership, LLC, or corporation that runs the business. Most plumbers are employees of contractors. I think is works the same way in OH. In the NY county I live in, employees of plumbing contractors are not required to be licensed and can work throughout the county on the contractor's license, except in the major cities. In the NY county I used to live in (which is the abutting county), all employees must be individually licensed. Furthermore, in that other county, homeowners wishing to do their own work must get a temporary license. In all cases here and in the other county, all work must be inspected by the county building inspectors. Just pointing out that some counties may have more stringent, or relaxed, rules than other other counties within the same state. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY in the original Orange County. Est. 1683 To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
SBH wrote:
"The Daring Dufas" wrote in message ... Cheri wrote: "The Daring Dufas" wrote in message ... You need the exercise. *snicker* Besides, after a few snips and edits, the thread becomes impossible to comprehend. Especially if it goes on and on like this one might. TDD No it doesn't. Cheri Hey! I was yanking SBH's chain. Don't butt in. I could be some kind of strange prevert who would come looking for you. LOL TDD You may be on to something about the thread going on and on. (envisioning a bunny with drums) Yea, that's right. What the hell were we talking about start with? TDD |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
nospam wrote:
wrote in message ... http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418 He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he’s not a plumber. No, it means he's an unlicensed plumber. You think Dr. Pepper is board certified? Take a look at the Illinois Attorney Registrations. Neither Barack or his wife are currently licensed to practice law. That doesn't stop them from saying that they're attorneys. https://www.iardc.org/lawyersearch.asp |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
nospam wrote:
wrote in message ... http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418 He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means hes not a plumber. No, it means he's an unlicensed plumber. Aren't we all just unregistered professionals at something? -- BikeFan |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
Claude Hopper wrote:
wrote: http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418 'Joe the plumber' isn’t licensed Local man focus of presidential debate By LARRY VELLEQUETTE and TOM TROY BLADE STAFF WRITERS I got the impression he is a plumbing contractor in which case he has licensed plumbers working for him and he does not need a license. I also got the impression, with his chat with Obama, that he made OVER $250,000 a year and was going to get hit with Obama's tax increase for the wealthy. Hardly ANY parts of the story was true. -- BikeFan |
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On 17 oct, 12:13, BikeFan wrote:
Claude Hopper wrote: wrote: http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...0081016/NEWS09.... 'Joetheplumber' isn’tlicensed Local man focus of presidential debate By LARRY VELLEQUETTE and TOM TROY BLADESTAFF WRITERS I got the impression he is a plumbing contractor in which case he has licensedplumbers working for him and he doesnotneed a license. I also got the impression, with his chat with Obama, that hemadeOVER $250,000 a year and was going to get hit with Obama's tax increase for the wealthy. Hardly ANY parts of the story was true. He had plans, ambitions to take over his bosses' business. He tax burden was much lower with an actual income of $40,000. What we don't know is that actual kind of work he does for his employer. Does he do plumbing (mainly) or something else? The income puts him into the middle range of plumbers in the USA (http://swz.salary.com/salarywizard/layouthtmls/ swzl_compresult_national_SC16000004.html) which certainly isn't $250,000. For that you need to run a large outfit. People often misrepresent what they actually do. Some sewer workings will say they are sanitation engineers or some other nicer sounding name. |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 00:14:03 -0400, Boden wrote:
nospam wrote: wrote in message ... http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...WS09/810160418 He is also not registered to operate as a plumber in Ohio, which means he’s not a plumber. No, it means he's an unlicensed plumber. You think Dr. Pepper is board certified? Take a look at the Illinois Attorney Registrations. Neither Barack or his wife are currently licensed to practice law. That doesn't stop them from saying that they're attorneys. https://www.iardc.org/lawyersearch.asp They have law degrees, dummy. Did you know that you can be an officer in the military and not have a command? |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:47:42 -0700 (PDT), JCE
wrote: On 17 oct, 12:13, BikeFan wrote: Claude Hopper wrote: wrote: http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...0081016/NEWS09... 'Joetheplumber' isn’tlicensed Local man focus of presidential debate By LARRY VELLEQUETTE and TOM TROY BLADESTAFF WRITERS I got the impression he is a plumbing contractor in which case he has licensedplumbers working for him and he doesnotneed a license. I also got the impression, with his chat with Obama, that hemadeOVER $250,000 a year and was going to get hit with Obama's tax increase for the wealthy. Hardly ANY parts of the story was true. He had plans, ambitions to take over his bosses' business. He tax burden was much lower with an actual income of $40,000. Yes, he will actually benefit nicely from Obama's plan. BTW - He's related to Charles Keating, and the whole thing was a setup engineered by the Republicons. |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
How does he feel about WD-40 as a lubricant? He once tried it as solder flux. |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in2006 (Toledo Blade)
On Oct 17, 7:30*am, wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:47:42 -0700 (PDT), JCE wrote: On 17 oct, 12:13, BikeFan wrote: Claude Hopper wrote: wrote: http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...0081016/NEWS09... 'Joetheplumber' isn’tlicensed Local man focus of presidential debate By LARRY VELLEQUETTE and TOM TROY BLADESTAFF WRITERS I got the impression he is a plumbing contractor in which case he has licensedplumbers working for him and he doesnotneed a license. I also got the impression, with his chat with Obama, that hemadeOVER $250,000 a year and was going to get hit with Obama's tax increase for the wealthy. Hardly ANY parts of the story was true. He had plans, ambitions to take over his bosses' business. He tax burden was much lower with an actual income of $40,000. Yes, he will actually benefit nicely from Obama's plan. BTW - He's related to Charles Keating, and the whole thing was a setup engineered by the Republicons.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The clear bias of the mainstream media is once again very apparent here. In nanoseconds they went out of their way to do everything possible to discredit Joe the plumber. After all, he's a guy that aspires to the American dream, plans to buy his boss's plumbing business and worries that he could have an income over $200K and be hit with Obama's tax increases. So, he was fully investigated to find out everything possible and within hours trucks and camera crews from all the networks were on his front lawn. Why are there no camera crews on the front lawn of William Ayers, the terrorist? The media gave Joe the plumber more scrutiny than they gave Obama himself for that matter. |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in2006 (Toledo Blade)
Mc Cain has BIG PLANS if elected. Joe the plumber will head up his new
cabinet plumbing position. To assure white house toilets dont get clogged by all the crap another republican adminstration would bring.......... |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in2006 (Toledo Blade)
On Oct 16, 7:17*pm, wrote:
On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:29:57 -0700 (PDT), mike wrote: It doesn't matter. *Obama's new middle name is "Spread the Wealth Around". Well,they're still a bunch of dirty *******s. *They will see that Joe is persecuted. *He may as well forget about taking that examination for hsi plumber's license. *They will fail him, sure enough. And they will be going back over his entire life for infractions of all sorts. Like Cap said: they will have him arrested on some charge or other. While they fight the Federal courts to keep them from forcing them to obey the law. * If this bunch goes in, then we have had it as a country. 'We' as in unlicensed plumbers, do you mean? War-materiel manufacturers and contractors? Oil companies? Health insurance system coverage-deniers? Or just loudmouth phonies who lie in public? |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000 in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 05:22:14 -0700 (PDT), "
wrote: Mc Cain has BIG PLANS if elected. Joe the plumber will head up his new cabinet plumbing position. To assure white house toilets dont get clogged by all the crap another republican adminstration would bring.......... The last white house plumbers worked for the Nixon Administration. They almost managed to flush the U.S. Constitution. |
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'Joe the plumber' is not licensed or registered; made $40,000in 2006 (Toledo Blade)
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On Oct 17, 7:30 am, wrote: On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:47:42 -0700 (PDT), JCE wrote: On 17 oct, 12:13, BikeFan wrote: Claude Hopper wrote: wrote: http://www.toledoblade.com/apps/pbcs...0081016/NEWS09... 'Joetheplumber' isn’tlicensed Local man focus of presidential debate By LARRY VELLEQUETTE and TOM TROY BLADESTAFF WRITERS I got the impression he is a plumbing contractor in which case he has licensedplumbers working for him and he doesnotneed a license. I also got the impression, with his chat with Obama, that hemadeOVER $250,000 a year and was going to get hit with Obama's tax increase for the wealthy. Hardly ANY parts of the story was true. He had plans, ambitions to take over his bosses' business. He tax burden was much lower with an actual income of $40,000. Yes, he will actually benefit nicely from Obama's plan. BTW - He's related to Charles Keating, and the whole thing was a setup engineered by the Republicons.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - The clear bias of the mainstream media is once again very apparent here. In nanoseconds they went out of their way to do everything possible to discredit Joe the plumber. After all, he's a guy that aspires to the American dream, plans to buy his boss's plumbing business and worries that he could have an income over $200K and be hit with Obama's tax increases. All complete fantasy apparently. Based on his current profile and income it's the same as the local shelf packer at the supermarket suggesting he's going to buy the entire chain. So, he was fully investigated to find out everything possible and within hours trucks and camera crews from all the networks were on his front lawn. Why are there no camera crews on the front lawn of William Ayers, the terrorist? The media gave Joe the plumber more scrutiny than they gave Obama himself for that matter. I wonder if we investigated your family and remote connections what we'd find in your closets. -- BikeFan |
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