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All you have proven is that you are not a very skilled or able craftsman or mechanic. You can repeat your mistaken belief that WD-40 is not a lubricant as many times as you like, but it will not be correct. You just don't understand what a lubricant is. You are on the same level of expertise as someone who would claim that motor oil is not a lubricant, because only axle grease is a lubricant. I'd say Bzzzzt again, but I sprayed some WD-40 on it and the noise stopped due to a sudden lack of friction. It's a poor lubricant and shouldn't be used as such. Follow the link: http://yarchive.net/chem/wd40.html |
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On Oct 15, 3:51*pm, wrote:
All you have proven is that you are not a very skilled or able craftsman or mechanic. You can repeat your mistaken belief that WD-40 is not a lubricant as many times as you like, but it will not be correct. You just don't understand what a lubricant is. You are on the same level of expertise as someone who would claim that motor oil is not a lubricant, because only axle grease is a lubricant. I'd say Bzzzzt again, but I sprayed some WD-40 on it and the noise stopped due to a sudden lack of friction. It's a poor lubricant and shouldn't be used as such. Follow the link: http://yarchive.net/chem/wd40.html How much faith should we put in a source that contains phrases like ""I haven't analysed it" and ""That would make WD-40 *like* the formulation above" and "It is possible" and "could be something crude like"? I'm not standing for or against WD-40 as a lubricant, I'm simply pointing out that the source you provided is not exactly robust. |
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you can do the same thing with water.
s wrote in message ... Press down with your fingers on a dry, clean piece of glass and slide them forward. Then spray the glass with a little WD-40 and do the same thing. Notice any difference? |
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"Steve Barker DLT" wrote in
: No, i'm not very mechanical. I've only been ASE certified since '79 in both automotive and heavy truck areas. so, **** off and keep spraying your wd40 around. It helps the economy i guess. It sure as hell doesn't help anything else. steve wrote in message ... All you have proven is that you are not a very skilled or able craftsman or mechanic. You can repeat your mistaken belief that WD-40 is not a lubricant as many times as you like, but it will not be correct. You just don't understand what a lubricant is. You are on the same level of expertise as someone who would claim that motor oil is not a lubricant, because only axle grease is a lubricant. I'd say Bzzzzt again, but I sprayed some WD-40 on it and the noise stopped due to a sudden lack of friction. On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 13:17:32 -0500, "Steve Barker DLT" wrote: And neither will it be lubricated with WD40, cause WD40 is not a lubricant. so, bzzzzzzzzzzzttt.... thanks for playing though. wrote in message news You may free up a stuck part with a torch if you don't manage to distort it, but it sure won't be lubricated. So, bzzzzt. as a penetrating oil,it's not all that good. (you top posters are ruining the readability of the thread. WHO reads bottom to top?) -- Jim Yanik jyanik at kua.net |
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:21:36 -0500, "Steve Barker DLT"
wrote: you can do the same thing with water. s and? wrote in message .. . Press down with your fingers on a dry, clean piece of glass and slide them forward. Then spray the glass with a little WD-40 and do the same thing. Notice any difference? |
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WD-40 is about 1/3 petroleum OIL. Granted it is a light oil, but an oil nontheless. WD-40 is primarily Naphtha a Paraffin. http://www.wd40.com.au/msds/ChemWatc...-40%20Bulk.pdf The Naphtha disappears quickly as it removes the legitimate lubricant from the item that is in need of lubrication. It then leaves a coat of Paraffin behind. See link: http://www.lube-tips.com/focus/2006_02_15.htm |
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"Smitty Two" wrote in message I'm with the dog on this one. I don't know why people love to trash WD-40 so much. I've used it with tremendous success on many, many applications over more years than I want to count, and the stuff works. Not just sort of works, but really works. Better than advertised, IMO. Have to agree. It is not suitable for every application, but certainly works for many. We use it at work and on one application it causes none of the problems we get with various greases. The lubricated parts get pushed through a moisture laden aluminum chest and it holds up rather well. |
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:44:30 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03
wrote: On Oct 15, 3:51*pm, wrote: All you have proven is that you are not a very skilled or able craftsman or mechanic. You can repeat your mistaken belief that WD-40 is not a lubricant as http://yarchive.net/chem/wd40.html How much faith should we put in a source that contains phrases like ""I haven't analysed it" and ""That would make WD-40 *like* the formulation above" and "It is possible" and "could be something crude like"? Probably more faith than any other post on alt.home.repair. Bruce Hamilton is a author who majored in chemistry. |
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AND?? And so, WD-40 is as good a lubricant as water.
s wrote in message ... and? |
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:18:47 -0400, wrote:
WD-40 is about 1/3 petroleum OIL. Granted it is a light oil, but an oil nontheless. WD-40 is primarily Naphtha a Paraffin. http://www.wd40.com.au/msds/ChemWatc...-40%20Bulk.pdf It would appear that WD-40 in your country is a very different product than the stuff in the U.S. |
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lbbss wrote:
I've googled this topic and there is two opinions out there. Some say use regular oil because it last longer, others say use wd-40 because it does not collect dust, which will gum up and create problems. Any ideas which is better? Hi, As far as I know WD40 is solvent, not a luricant. WD40 can induce rust. I use WD40 for cleaning. |
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On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:47:18 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:18:47 -0400, wrote: WD-40 is about 1/3 petroleum OIL. Granted it is a light oil, but an oil nontheless. WD-40 is primarily Naphtha a Paraffin. http://www.wd40.com.au/msds/ChemWatc...-40%20Bulk.pdf It would appear that WD-40 in your country is a very different product than the stuff in the U.S. Show me. |
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On Oct 13, 11:22*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I'd argue that there isn't really one perfect lubricant for all applications. What is it that you are planning to lubriacte? ID Lube |
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On Oct 15, 7:43*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 19:21:36 -0500, "Steve Barker DLT" wrote: you can do the same thing with water. s and? wrote in message .. . Press down with your fingers on a dry, clean piece of glass and slide them forward. Then spray the glass with a little WD-40 and do the same thing. Notice any difference? It does what is was designed to do. It wasn't formulated to be an efficient lubricant...only displace moisture. Get it! You must have stock in this company. |
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So you can't even discern the difference between water and oil? No
wonder you have these flakey ideas. On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:44:35 -0500, "Steve Barker DLT" wrote: AND?? And so, WD-40 is as good a lubricant as water. s wrote in message .. . and? |
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:38:51 -0400, wrote:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 22:47:18 -0400, wrote: On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 21:18:47 -0400, wrote: WD-40 is about 1/3 petroleum OIL. Granted it is a light oil, but an oil nontheless. WD-40 is primarily Naphtha a Paraffin. http://www.wd40.com.au/msds/ChemWatc...-40%20Bulk.pdf It would appear that WD-40 in your country is a very different product than the stuff in the U.S. Show me. Show yourself. You found the MSDS for your own country easily enough. |
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On Oct 15, 9:50*pm, wrote:
On Wed, 15 Oct 2008 14:44:30 -0700 (PDT), DerbyDad03 wrote: On Oct 15, 3:51*pm, wrote: All you have proven is that you are not a very skilled or able craftsman or mechanic. You can repeat your mistaken belief that WD-40 is not a lubricant as http://yarchive.net/chem/wd40.html How much faith should we put in a source that contains phrases like ""I haven't analysed it" and ""That would make WD-40 *like* the formulation above" and "It is possible" and "could be something crude like"? Probably more faith than any other post on alt.home.repair. Bruce Hamilton is a author who majored in chemistry. I'm not questioning Mr. Hamilton's credentials. However, in this case (11 years ago) he did nothing more than voice an opinion on something he never analysed. "It could be this, it could be that." With all the data out there on the WWW, I would think a more direct source - perhaps someone who actually analysed the product in question - as well as a more current one, could be found. But, just like Mr. Hamilton, I'm simply voicing my opinion. |
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WD-40 is primarily Naphtha a Paraffin. http://www.wd40.com.au/msds/ChemWatc...-40%20Bulk.pdf It would appear that WD-40 in your country is a very different product than the stuff in the U.S. Show me. Show yourself. You found the MSDS for your own country easily enough. I wanted you to do that. The actual product is the same. The U.S. MSDS uses more technical chemical names for the Naphtha and paraffin within WD-40 |
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http://yarchive.net/chem/wd40.html How much faith should we put in a source that contains phrases like ""I haven't analysed it" and ""That would make WD-40 *like* the formulation above" and "It is possible" and "could be something crude like"? Probably more faith than any other post on alt.home.repair. Bruce Hamilton is a author who majored in chemistry. I'm not questioning Mr. Hamilton's credentials. However, in this case (11 years ago) he did nothing more than voice an opinion on something he never analysed. "It could be this, it could be that." With all the data out there on the WWW, I would think a more direct source - perhaps someone who actually analysed the product in question - as well as a more current one, could be found. But, just like Mr. Hamilton, I'm simply voicing my opinion. Then I'll voice mine again. WD-40 is a poor lubricant. It is a solvent that penetrates and removes the existing legitimate high film strength lubricant. Once the solvent evaporates the WD-40 leaves a thin coat of Paraffin on the product that ends up gumming the works up, instead of lubing the works. |
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On Oct 16, 3:19*pm, wrote:
http://yarchive.net/chem/wd40.html How much faith should we put in a source that contains phrases like ""I haven't analysed it" and ""That would make WD-40 *like* the formulation above" and "It is possible" and "could be something crude like"? Probably more faith than any other post on alt.home.repair. Bruce Hamilton is a author who majored in chemistry. I'm not questioning Mr. Hamilton's credentials. However, in this case (11 years ago) he did nothing more than voice an opinion on something he never analysed. "It could be this, it could be that." With all the data out there on the WWW, I would think a more direct source - perhaps someone who actually analysed the product in question - as well as a more current one, could be found. But, just like Mr. Hamilton, I'm simply voicing my opinion. Then I'll voice mine again. WD-40 is a poor lubricant. It is a solvent that penetrates and removes the existing legitimate high film strength lubricant. Once the solvent evaporates the WD-40 leaves a thin coat of Paraffin on the product that ends up gumming the works up, instead of *lubing the works.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Then I'll voice mine again. WD-40 is a poor lubricant. We seem to have gone astray here. I wasn't addressing or offering my opinions regarding the qualities of WD-40 as a lubricant. (I did that earlier, feel free to read them at your leisure). The only thing I was addressing in my responses to you was the quality of your source. It was an 11 YO posting by a person who had never analysed the substance being discussed in this thread. I'm sure there are better sources to help you substantiate your opinion- which, again, I'm not addressing here. Let me put it another way...If I ask an expert on Jaguars to tell me about a Porche, and he says "Well, I've never analysed a Porche but if it's like a Jaquar it might have a 300-horsepower, 4.2-liter engine and it might cost about $70,000" then I'll probably say "Thank you" and go find an expert on Porches. I don't see the value in using the Jaquar expert to substantiate my opinion of a Porche if he is merely speculating on the subject matter. |
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apparently, you can't either. YOU'RE the one who thinks WDfukkin40 is a
lubricant. s wrote in message news So you can't even discern the difference between water and oil? No wonder you have these flakey ideas. |
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I wasn't addressing or offering my opinions regarding the qualities of WD-40 as a lubricant. (I did that earlier, feel free to read them at your leisure). The only thing I was addressing in my responses to you was the quality of your source. It was an 11 YO posting by a person who had never analysed the substance being discussed in this thread. I'm sure there are better sources to help you substantiate your opinion- which, again, I'm not addressing here. Let me put it another way...If I ask an expert on Jaguars to tell me about a Porche, and he says "Well, I've never analysed a Porche but if it's like a Jaquar it might have a 300-horsepower, 4.2-liter engine and it might cost about $70,000" then I'll probably say "Thank you" and go find an expert on Porches. I don't see the value in using the Jaquar expert to substantiate my opinion of a Porche if he is merely speculating on the subject matter. The point of Mr Hamilton's opinion is that he didn't have to have exacting specifics of what WD-40 is. He had enough information and enough education to draw the correct conclusions on WD-40 even if he didn't have the exact recipe in front of him. |
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 15:19:37 -0400, wrote:
http://yarchive.net/chem/wd40.html How much faith should we put in a source that contains phrases like ""I haven't analysed it" and ""That would make WD-40 *like* the formulation above" and "It is possible" and "could be something crude like"? Probably more faith than any other post on alt.home.repair. Bruce Hamilton is a author who majored in chemistry. I'm not questioning Mr. Hamilton's credentials. However, in this case (11 years ago) he did nothing more than voice an opinion on something he never analysed. "It could be this, it could be that." With all the data out there on the WWW, I would think a more direct source - perhaps someone who actually analysed the product in question - as well as a more current one, could be found. But, just like Mr. Hamilton, I'm simply voicing my opinion. Then I'll voice mine again. WD-40 is a poor lubricant. It is a solvent that penetrates and removes the existing legitimate high film strength lubricant. Well, who says there was ANY lubricant existing where the WD-40 gets applied? At least you now admit it IS a lubricant. Now you just want to quibble about whether it is a good lubricant. My position has been consitent from the beginning. WD-40 is a perfectly good lubricant for THE CORRECT APPLICATIONS. Do not use it as a substitute in the crankcase of your car, okay. That would be a WRONG APPLICATION. At the same time, if you have a rusted pair of pliers, WD-40 will free them up and lubricate them better than the motor oil in you crankcase, which is too viscous, and will never even reach the surfaces that need the lubrication, much less loosen them up. You'll also note that I haven't claimed that WD-40 is necessarily the BEST product for any given application. I use two other products for freeing up rusted parts that I prefer over WD-40 when they are available. One is Kroil, and the other is PB Blaster. I do refute your stubborn and misguided (and erroneous) claims that WD-40 simply doesn't ever lubricate at all under any conditions. Once the solvent evaporates the WD-40 leaves a thin coat of Paraffin on the product that ends up gumming the works up, instead of lubing the works. Sez you. How many times do you have to be wrong in a day before you reach your quota, and go back to sleep? |
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On Thu, 16 Oct 2008 14:52:06 -0500, "Steve Barker DLT"
wrote: apparently, you can't either. YOU'RE the one who thinks WDfukkin40 is a lubricant. s Q.E.D. wrote in message news So you can't even discern the difference between water and oil? No wonder you have these flakey ideas. |
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The point of Mr Hamilton's opinion is that he didn't have to have exacting specifics of what WD-40 is. He had enough information and enough education to draw the correct conclusions on WD-40 even if he didn't have the exact recipe in front of him. In other words, he's incompetent. If he was a competent professional chemist he would never offer a judgement without having the facts. No. He is competent enough to recognize chemical properties and know what makes a good lubricant and what doesn't. It's like solving a puzzle. He only needed two clues before he knew the answer. Going by your theory he must wait for all the clues before he makes a judgment. Having to do that is what would make him incompetent. |
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Then I'll voice mine again. WD-40 is a poor lubricant. It is a solvent that penetrates and removes the existing legitimate high film strength lubricant. Well, who says there was ANY lubricant existing where the WD-40 gets applied? At least you now admit it IS a lubricant. I have been consistent. " It is a poor lubricant." Now you just want to quibble about whether it is a good lubricant. No, that's your quibble. My position has been consitent from the beginning. WD-40 is a perfectly good lubricant for THE CORRECT APPLICATIONS. OK. Name the applications where a real lubricant wouldn't be better. Admit it. WD-40's real benefits are related to rust prevention, ability to penetrate, ability to clean, and convenience. It has no advantage as far as its lubrication properties when compared to any oil of similar viscosity. I do refute your stubborn and misguided (and erroneous) claims that WD-40 simply doesn't ever lubricate at all under any conditions. Now you are imagining things. Please quote me on your claim above. Once the solvent evaporates the WD-40 leaves a thin coat of Paraffin on the product that ends up gumming the works up, instead of lubing the works. Sez you. How many times do you have to be wrong in a day before you reach your quota, and go back to sleep? It's common knowledge that WD-40 leaves this film. |
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"Steve Barker DLT" wrote: apparently, you can't either. YOU'RE the one who thinks WDfukkin40 is a lubricant. s So do I. Can you please tell me why it contains 15-25% (by weight) petroleum based oil, if it isn't a lubricant? Let's see, the can I have here says: Stops Squeaks Cleans and Protects Loosens Rusted Parts Frees Sticky Mechanisms Drives Out Moisture Guess what? I've used it to do all of those things, a thousand times, and I've *never* been disappointed in it's performance. |
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Stops Squeaks
Cleans and Protects Loosens Rusted Parts Frees Sticky Mechanisms Drives Out Moisture You proved your point...IT doesn't even CLAIM to be a lubricant! |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:20:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote:
Stops Squeaks Cleans and Protects Loosens Rusted Parts Frees Sticky Mechanisms Drives Out Moisture You proved your point...IT doesn't even CLAIM to be a lubricant! From http://www.wd40.com/faqs/#q6 What does WD-40 do? WD-40 fulfills five basic functions: 1. CLEANS: WD-40 gets under dirt, grime and grease to clean. It also dissolves adhesives, allowing easy removal of labels, tape and excess bonding material. 2. DISPLACES MOISTU Because WD-40 displaces moisture, it quickly dries out electrical systems to eliminate moisture-induced short circuits. 3. PENETRATES: WD-40 loosens rust-to-metal bonds and frees stuck, frozen or rusted metal parts. ************************************************** **** 4. LUBRICATES: WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and tenaciously held to all moving parts. ************************************************** **** 5. PROTECTS: WD-40 protects metal surfaces with corrosion-resistant ingredients to shield against moisture and other corrosive elements. |
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http://yarchive.net/chem/wd40.html How much faith should we put in a source that contains phrases like ""I haven't analysed it" and ""That would make WD-40 *like* the formulation above" and "It is possible" and "could be something crude like"? Probably more faith than any other post on alt.home.repair. Bruce Hamilton is a author who majored in chemistry. I'm not questioning Mr. Hamilton's credentials. However, in this case (11 years ago) he did nothing more than voice an opinion on something he never analysed. "It could be this, it could be that." With all the data out there on the WWW, I would think a more direct source - perhaps someone who actually analysed the product in question - as well as a more current one, could be found. But, just like Mr. Hamilton, I'm simply voicing my opinion. Then I'll voice mine again. WD-40 is a poor lubricant. It is a solvent that penetrates and removes the existing legitimate high film strength lubricant. Once the solvent evaporates the WD-40 leaves a thin coat of Paraffin on the product that ends up gumming the works up, instead of lubing the works. But Paraffin IS a lubricant: http://www.outsideoutfitters.com/p-3...-lube-4oz.aspx http://www.luxcowax.com/pvc.html http://www.instructables.com/id/Lubr...sing_Paraffin/ Of course the purists use beeswax - it is all-natural and more ecologically friendly that Paraffin. |
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On Fri, 17 Oct 2008 03:20:31 -0700 (PDT), wrote: Stops Squeaks Cleans and Protects Loosens Rusted Parts Frees Sticky Mechanisms Drives Out Moisture You proved your point...IT doesn't even CLAIM to be a lubricant! From http://www.wd40.com/faqs/#q6 What does WD-40 do? WD-40 fulfills five basic functions: 1. CLEANS: WD-40 gets under dirt, grime and grease to clean. It also dissolves adhesives, allowing easy removal of labels, tape and excess bonding material. 2. DISPLACES MOISTU Because WD-40 displaces moisture, it quickly dries out electrical systems to eliminate moisture-induced short circuits. 3. PENETRATES: WD-40 loosens rust-to-metal bonds and frees stuck, frozen or rusted metal parts. ************************************************** **** 4. LUBRICATES: WD-40's lubricating ingredients are widely dispersed and tenaciously held to all moving parts. ************************************************** **** 5. PROTECTS: WD-40 protects metal surfaces with corrosion-resistant ingredients to shield against moisture and other corrosive elements. Thanks Lou |
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He doesn't know what is in the product. It could be 100% filtered goat milk for all he knows. Filtered goat milk is more of a lubricant than WD-40 |
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I do refute your stubborn and misguided (and erroneous) claims that WD-40 simply doesn't ever lubricate at all under any conditions. Now you are imagining things. Please quote me on your claim above. "WD-40 is not a lubricant" Not only are you imagining things but you are now lying by making up a quote and attributing it to me. I will repeat. Where did I say that WD-40 doesn't ever lubricate? Be specific and post the message ID Once the solvent evaporates the WD-40 leaves a thin coat of Paraffin on the product that ends up gumming the works up, instead of lubing the works. Sez you. How many times do you have to be wrong in a day before you reach your quota, and go back to sleep? It's common knowledge that WD-40 leaves this film. Yes, the manufacturer considers that film one of it's positive attributes. And what makes you think this film does not lubricate. Science says that it does. Put that gummy wax substance on ways and it becomes glue. |
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But Paraffin IS a lubricant: I never said it or WD-40 doesn't lubricate. I said it is a poor lubricant. http://www.outsideoutfitters.com/p-3...-lube-4oz.aspx http://www.luxcowax.com/pvc.html http://www.instructables.com/id/Lubr...sing_Paraffin/ Of course the purists use beeswax - it is all-natural and more ecologically friendly that Paraffin. If Paraffin is such a good lubricant then why isn't it used more often? Could it be that there are better lubricants? Are these better? Vegetable oil Soapy water Baby oil Just why is it that people use Synthetic oil or premium grade petroleum lubricants? Do they like wasting their money or do you suppose it has something to do with these products actually doing a better job? Do you suppose that these products have multiple desirable properties that WD-40 or Vegetable oil can't come close to? |
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Frees Sticky Mechanisms
Another point someone else made...the mechanism after being freed- up...will be sticky again in less than a week (in my experience). |
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