"Then his daughter drove him to jail. Grandpa had time to do. His crime? He
had disobeyed a court order that he sod the lawn..."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanin...icle847365.ece

On Oct 11, 1:33*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
"Then his daughter drove him to jail. Grandpa had time to do. His crime? He
had disobeyed a court order that he sod the lawn..."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanin...icle847365.ece


Just curious. Why is it that you are so fascinated with HOA's?
Clearly they aren't for everyone. But nobody is forced to buy a home
with a HOA. There are plenty of other homes available. And some
like the idea of a HOA for the very reason that they want a particular
and uniform look. And in the case of a community where you buy a
home with a HOA, if you won't comply with the basic rules, like in
this case, you can sell and move. The HOA doesn't appear to be
unreasonable here.

On Sat 11 Oct 2008 10:56:11a, told us...

On Oct 11, 1:33*pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
"Then his daughter drove him to jail. Grandpa had time to do. His crime?
He
had disobeyed a court order that he sod the lawn..."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanin...icle847365.ece


Just curious. Why is it that you are so fascinated with HOA's?
Clearly they aren't for everyone. But nobody is forced to buy a home
with a HOA. There are plenty of other homes available. And some
like the idea of a HOA for the very reason that they want a particular
and uniform look. And in the case of a community where you buy a
home with a HOA, if you won't comply with the basic rules, like in
this case, you can sell and move. The HOA doesn't appear to be
unreasonable here.

Personally I would prefer living in a community with an HOA, although I
don't presently. Having said that, you really have to evaluate the rules
and regulations set forth in the covenant and also how well they're
enforced. Some are rediculous and some are quite reasonable.

At least most HOAs prevent situations where an individual home owner
decides to fill his front yard with old cars. :-)

If I had the means, I would actually prefer to live in an area where I
could have several acres that separated me from other neighbors and the
freedom to do what I want to do.

--
Wayne Boatwright
(correct the spelling of "geemail" to reply)

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wrote:
On Oct 11, 1:33 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
"Then his daughter drove him to jail. Grandpa had time to do. His
crime? He had disobeyed a court order that he sod the lawn..."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanin...icle847365.ece


Just curious. Why is it that you are so fascinated with HOA's?
Clearly they aren't for everyone. But nobody is forced to buy a home
with a HOA. There are plenty of other homes available. And some
like the idea of a HOA for the very reason that they want a particular
and uniform look. And in the case of a community where you buy a
home with a HOA, if you won't comply with the basic rules, like in
this case, you can sell and move. The HOA doesn't appear to be
unreasonable here.

I'm not fascinated with HOAs. Remember, I live in the largest city in the
nation with no zoning, so those who refuse to take responsibility often rely
on HOAs to do what they lack the courage to do for themselves.

Personally, I find it amusing that people don't take a more active role in
their community but instead foist off distasteful projects to the legal
system.

In the instant case, it would seem a simple matter for several neighbors to
devote a Saturday afternoon to: a) repairing the elderly gentleman's
sprinkler system, or b) beat him until he couldn't lie down.

Depending on the breaks.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
"Then his daughter drove him to jail. Grandpa had time to do. His crime?
He had disobeyed a court order that he sod the lawn..."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanin...icle847365.ece

wow...that's hardcore!

olddog

retired53 wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
"Then his daughter drove him to jail. Grandpa had time to do. His
crime? He had disobeyed a court order that he sod the lawn..."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanin...icle847365.ece

wow...that's hardcore!


Well, courts have the ability to enforce their orders (the most common being
failure to provide child support). It's an example of how one can be jailed
without committing a crime. Others include: Juveniles, mental health
candidates, communicable disease carriers, immigration violators, material
witnesses, and unlawful enemy combatants.

Point is, not everybody behind bars is a criminal or suspected criminal.
Heck, if you ASK those behind bars, you'll find very few who are actually
criminals.

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
"Then his daughter drove him to jail. Grandpa had time to do. His crime?
He had disobeyed a court order that he sod the lawn..."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanin...icle847365.ece
Total stupidity.

I lived in an HOAorida for 16 years. For most of them I was on the board.
Our ground rule first and foremost was : We are all neighbors.

If there was a problem like the one described, a couple of guys would get
together one week end and fix the sprinkler system.

A second issue is the judge. Judge Bray apparently likes his name so much
he even acts like an ass. In Florida juges are elected. Now there is a
campaign issue if I ever heard of one.

Charlie

Charlie wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
"Then his daughter drove him to jail. Grandpa had time to do. His crime?
He had disobeyed a court order that he sod the lawn..."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanin...icle847365.ece
Total stupidity.

I lived in an HOAorida for 16 years. For most of them I was on the board.
Our ground rule first and foremost was : We are all neighbors.

If there was a problem like the one described, a couple of guys would get
together one week end and fix the sprinkler system.

A second issue is the judge. Judge Bray apparently likes his name so much
he even acts like an ass. In Florida juges are elected. Now there is a
campaign issue if I ever heard of one.

Charlie


How much per square foot does installed sod cost in that part of FL? If
the fellow's ARM just spiked, I can see why he can't afford it. Can't
get blood from a stone- does the association and the judge think keeping
him in jail is going to make getting the lawn done more or less likely?
(I know a good place they could harvest sod- from the front yards of all
the people that voted to file the suit.) It is fricking FLORIDA, fer
crissake. Lawns get brown in summer- deal with it.

Having associations be de facto mini-governments, and having judges
enforce their petty edicts via open-ended contempt citations, is a
perversion of the process. The entire concept should be outlawed. I will
NEVER live in an HOA area- I'd rather live in an apartment than put up
with that crap.

Anybody started a legal defense fund for the guy, yet? I'd donate a few
bucks to that. He ought to contersue under RICO acts.

--
aem sends...

"aemeijers" wrote in message
...
Charlie wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
"Then his daughter drove him to jail. Grandpa had time to do. His crime?
He had disobeyed a court order that he sod the lawn..."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanin...icle847365.ece
Total stupidity.

I lived in an HOAorida for 16 years. For most of them I was on the
board. Our ground rule first and foremost was : We are all neighbors.

If there was a problem like the one described, a couple of guys would get
together one week end and fix the sprinkler system.

A second issue is the judge. Judge Bray apparently likes his name so
much he even acts like an ass. In Florida juges are elected. Now there is
a campaign issue if I ever heard of one.

Charlie
How much per square foot does installed sod cost in that part of FL? If
the fellow's ARM just spiked, I can see why he can't afford it. Can't get
blood from a stone- does the association and the judge think keeping him
in jail is going to make getting the lawn done more or less likely? (I
know a good place they could harvest sod- from the front yards of all the
people that voted to file the suit.) It is fricking FLORIDA, fer crissake.
Lawns get brown in summer- deal with it.

Having associations be de facto mini-governments, and having judges
enforce their petty edicts via open-ended contempt citations, is a
perversion of the process. The entire concept should be outlawed. I will
NEVER live in an HOA area- I'd rather live in an apartment than put up
with that crap.


I donno. They can be helpful in keeping property values up. The NA we had
usually only had to put notes on peoples doors but sometimes more coaxing
was necessary.

I'm glad we had that NA. My neighbors knew to keep their yards mowed and
clean. Looked good when I sold the house after 18 mths of living there. Made
a nice profit.

olddog

retired53 wrote:

"HeyBub" wrote in message
...


"Then his daughter drove him to jail. Grandpa had time to do. His crime?
He had disobeyed a court order that he sod the lawn..."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanin...icle847365.ece



wow...that's hardcore!

olddog




There is also a drought going on ......

aemeijers wrote in
:

Charlie wrote:
"HeyBub" wrote in message
...
"Then his daughter drove him to jail. Grandpa had time to do. His
crime? He had disobeyed a court order that he sod the lawn..."

http://www.tampabay.com/news/humanin...icle847365.ece
Total stupidity.

I lived in an HOAorida for 16 years. For most of them I was on the
board. Our ground rule first and foremost was : We are all neighbors.

If there was a problem like the one described, a couple of guys would
get together one week end and fix the sprinkler system.

A second issue is the judge. Judge Bray apparently likes his name so
much he even acts like an ass. In Florida juges are elected. Now
there is a campaign issue if I ever heard of one.

Charlie


How much per square foot does installed sod cost in that part of FL?
If the fellow's ARM just spiked, I can see why he can't afford it.
Can't get blood from a stone- does the association and the judge think
keeping him in jail is going to make getting the lawn done more or
less likely? (I know a good place they could harvest sod- from the
front yards of all the people that voted to file the suit.) It is
fricking FLORIDA, fer crissake. Lawns get brown in summer- deal with
it.

Having associations be de facto mini-governments, and having judges
enforce their petty edicts via open-ended contempt citations, is a
perversion of the process. The entire concept should be outlawed. I
will NEVER live in an HOA area- I'd rather live in an apartment than
put up with that crap.

Anybody started a legal defense fund for the guy, yet? I'd donate a
few bucks to that. He ought to contersue under RICO acts.

--
aem sends...

Saw a bit on the news yesterday where in California the lawns are brown
and are up for sale. There's a guy who charges $300 to come in and spray
the lawn, dirt and all, with some harmless green stuff and makes it look
good. Uses a truck just like the Agent Orange guy at Lawn-Glo. Of course,
up close, you can tell it's sprayed but much better than burnt brown.
Guy's business is booming he says.

clipped



Anybody started a legal defense fund for the guy, yet? I'd donate a
few bucks to that. He ought to contersue under RICO acts.

--
aem sends...

I have had contact from a reliable source to the effect the homeowner is
out of jail, and that volunteers repaired his irrigation system and
installed sod. Three cheers for the good guys!

"olddog" wrote:

I donno. They can be helpful in keeping property values up. The NA we had
usually only had to put notes on peoples doors but sometimes more coaxing
was necessary.

Since most locals have property taxes, what is the benefit of high property values? When
my place is converted to cash, I'll be dead.

Wes

"Wes" wrote in message
...
"olddog" wrote:

I donno. They can be helpful in keeping property values up. The NA we had
usually only had to put notes on peoples doors but sometimes more coaxing
was necessary.

Since most locals have property taxes, what is the benefit of high
property values? When
my place is converted to cash, I'll be dead.

Wes

Okay...let your house go to hell.

For us that plan to move and cash in on equity that's not a good stratgy. I
don't know about you but I like making money.

olddog

On Oct 11, 1:56*pm, wrote:

* But nobody is forced to buy a home
with a HOA. * There are plenty of other homes available. * *

Actually, unless you like 50 year old homes (and fortunately, I do)
not so much.

nate

On Oct 12, 6:57*pm, Wes wrote:
"olddog" wrote:
I donno. They can be helpful in keeping property values up. The NA we had
usually only had to put notes on peoples doors but sometimes more coaxing
was necessary.

Since most locals have property taxes, what is the benefit of high property values? *When
my place is converted to cash, I'll be dead. *

Wes


There is a popular misconception that if all the properties in a
community were to be valued at twice as much, then the taxes would be
2X. In most cases, this is simply not true. Around here (NJ)
people go nuts when there is an upcoming property revaluation, because
they think when there property is revalued higher, they are going to
pay a lot more in tax. What determines local property taxes is the
amount of money that the community needs to operate. So, if
community X needs $20mil to run, they are going to get $20mil
regardless of what the total valuations are. If all the properties
get revalued to 2X what they were to bring them in line with current
market value, the tax rate then gets cut in half, resulting in the
same amount of revenue to the municipality.

wrote:


There is a popular misconception that if all the properties in a
community were to be valued at twice as much, then the taxes would be
2X. In most cases, this is simply not true. Around here (NJ)
people go nuts when there is an upcoming property revaluation, because
they think when there property is revalued higher, they are going to
pay a lot more in tax. What determines local property taxes is the
amount of money that the community needs to operate. So, if
community X needs $20mil to run, they are going to get $20mil
regardless of what the total valuations are. If all the properties
get revalued to 2X what they were to bring them in line with current
market value, the tax rate then gets cut in half, resulting in the
same amount of revenue to the municipality.

Which is just the reverse of the way it should be. The size of government
should be based on what people can afford, not the taxes based on what the
government needs.

wrote in message
There is a popular misconception that if all the properties in a
community were to be valued at twice as much, then the taxes would be
2X. In most cases, this is simply not true.

If all the properties
get revalued to 2X what they were to bring them in line with current
market value, the tax rate then gets cut in half, resulting in the
same amount of revenue to the municipality.

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You are correct, of course, but there is a simple flaw in the logic. The
misconception is so popular and misunderstood that people expect a tax
increase so our community leaders make that come through and raise the
budget.