I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.

Robert Blass wrote:
I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.


Hi,
One thing some fancy laptop computers come with TV tuner.

Tony Hwang wrote:

Robert Blass wrote:
I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.


Hi,
One thing some fancy laptop computers come with TV tuner.

And for others, the USB tuner dongles are $100.

Robert Blass wrote in
:

I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.



a couple of the DTV converters run on 12VDC.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:03:36 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:02:07 -0400, Robert Blass
wrote:

I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.


The "free" converter I have runs on about 8 watts and that is not much
load on an inverter. If you could get one with a DC wall wart it would
run fine on a battery.

"free" I didn't know about that. Where did you get it?
(looking it up on google right now....")

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 11:43:27 -0500, AZ Nomad wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:03:36 -0400, wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:02:07 -0400, Robert Blass
wrote:

I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.


The "free" converter I have runs on about 8 watts and that is not much
load on an inverter. If you could get one with a DC wall wart it would
run fine on a battery.

"free" I didn't know about that. Where did you get it?
(looking it up on google right now....")
found a govt. site for $40 coupons and ordered two. We'll see.

In article ,
AZ Nomad wrote:


found a govt. site for $40 coupons and ordered two. We'll see.

My in-law got their coupons from the same site. Their convertors were
$9.95 each two weeks ago.
FWIW

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:11:28 -0500, "Pete C."
sayd the following:


Tony Hwang wrote:

Robert Blass wrote:
I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.


Hi,
One thing some fancy laptop computers come with TV tuner.

And for others, the USB tuner dongles are $100.


Uh, how would that work with NO electricity which is why I asked?

In article ,
Robert Blass wrote:

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:11:28 -0500, "Pete C."
sayd the following:


Tony Hwang wrote:

Robert Blass wrote:
I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.


Hi,
One thing some fancy laptop computers come with TV tuner.

And for others, the USB tuner dongles are $100.


Uh, how would that work with NO electricity which is why I asked?

Uh, it's a *laptop.*

Laptops run on electricty.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news

Uh, how would that work with NO electricity which is why I asked?

Uh, it's a *laptop.*

I'm guessing it won't be long after the digital roll over date. They will be
at all the department stores.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
..


"Robert Blass" wrote in message
...
I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Laptops run on electricty.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news

Uh, how would that work with NO electricity which is why I asked?

Uh, it's a *laptop.*

if the 12v battery tv is under discussion, then a battery powered laptop is
pretty much the same thing. if the tv is on a car battery through an
inverter, it would be simple to run the laptop off the same source.

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:02:22 -0700, Smitty Two
sayd the following:

In article ,
Robert Blass wrote:

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:11:28 -0500, "Pete C."
sayd the following:


Tony Hwang wrote:

Robert Blass wrote:
I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.


Hi,
One thing some fancy laptop computers come with TV tuner.

And for others, the USB tuner dongles are $100.


Uh, how would that work with NO electricity which is why I asked?

Uh, it's a *laptop.*


I wanted portable battery operated dtv as I posted

When did I ever mention owning a laptop?


You guys skipped on to laptops.


On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 15:38:26 -0400, "Stormin Mormon"
sayd the following:

Laptops run on electricty.

On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:06:23 -0700, "charlie"
sayd the following:


"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Laptops run on electricty.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news

Uh, how would that work with NO electricity which is why I asked?

Uh, it's a *laptop.*

if the 12v battery tv is under discussion, then a battery powered laptop is
pretty much the same thing. if the tv is on a car battery through an
inverter, it would be simple to run the laptop off the same source.



Let me try this again. I am asking about a Portable Digital TV, like
the ones sold for analog TV. I never said I wanted it connected to a
car and I didn't mention needing it for a laptop, in fact I never even
said the word laptop.

?

On Oct 3, 3:22*pm, Robert Blass wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 12:02:22 -0700, Smitty Two
sayd the following:





In article ,
Robert Blass wrote:

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:11:28 -0500, "Pete C."
sayd the following:

Tony Hwang wrote:

Robert Blass wrote:
I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.

Hi,
One thing some fancy laptop computers come with TV tuner.

And for others, the USB tuner dongles are $100.

Uh, how would that work with NO electricity which is why I asked?

Uh, it's a *laptop.*

I wanted portable battery operated dtv as I posted- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So why dont you google it, do you expect folks to give you the link, I
just saw 2 of them on one site.

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 16:24:12 -0400, Robert Blass
wrote:

On Fri, 3 Oct 2008 13:06:23 -0700, "charlie"
sayd the following:


"Stormin Mormon" wrote in message
...
Laptops run on electricty.

--
Christopher A. Young
Learn more about Jesus
www.lds.org
.


"Smitty Two" wrote in message
news
Uh, how would that work with NO electricity which is why I asked?

Uh, it's a *laptop.*

if the 12v battery tv is under discussion, then a battery powered laptop is
pretty much the same thing. if the tv is on a car battery through an
inverter, it would be simple to run the laptop off the same source.



Let me try this again. I am asking about a Portable Digital TV, like
the ones sold for analog TV. I never said I wanted it connected to a
car and I didn't mention needing it for a laptop, in fact I never even
said the word laptop.

?

Something like this?

http://www.radioshack.com/product/in...es&tab=summary

If the link doesn't work, search for an Accurian 7" portable handheld
TV.

Assuming you're looking for a single-piece item, and not a solution
involving laptops or separate digial converters with inverters and
extra 12V batteries to carry around. :-)

Josh

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:02:07 -0400, Robert Blass
wrote:

I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.

Haier Hlt71 7" Portable Lcd Tv - HLT71
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=208673168

Robert Blass wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:11:28 -0500, "Pete C."
sayd the following:

Tony Hwang wrote:
Robert Blass wrote:
I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.


Hi,
One thing some fancy laptop computers come with TV tuner.
And for others, the USB tuner dongles are $100.


Uh, how would that work with NO electricity which is why I asked?


On your charged-up laptop, which will run about as long as alkalines in
a battery TV. If you have gas in the car to keep that battery running,
you can sit in the car and watch. I've done that a few times, now I just
try to sleep through the outage, or if it is several days, find the
nearest hotel with power and room.

--
aem sends...

Kurt Ullman wrote in news:kurtullman-
:

In article ,
AZ Nomad wrote:


found a govt. site for $40 coupons and ordered two. We'll see.

My in-law got their coupons from the same site. Their convertors were
$9.95 each two weeks ago.
FWIW


do you mean [FORTY-nine] 49.95?
That's what Wal-Mart is selling Magnavox
converters for,and with sales tax,it adds up to $13.

If a DTV converter sold for $10,I wouldn't bother with coupons.

the Echostar converter was -supposed- to sell for only $40(essentially
free),but hadn't been available when I got my coupons and not for the next
90 days of validity.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"Stormin Mormon" wrote in
:

Laptops run on electricty.


they run on BATTERIES.
and can be charged/ran from a car's cig lighter,OR another 12v source.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

On 4 Oct 2008 01:00:07 GMT, Jim Yanik wrote:
Kurt Ullman wrote in news:kurtullman-
:

In article ,
AZ Nomad wrote:


found a govt. site for $40 coupons and ordered two. We'll see.

My in-law got their coupons from the same site. Their convertors were
$9.95 each two weeks ago.
FWIW


do you mean [FORTY-nine] 49.95?
That's what Wal-Mart is selling Magnavox
converters for,and with sales tax,it adds up to $13.

If a DTV converter sold for $10,I wouldn't bother with coupons.

I assumed kurt was talking about the price with the coupon applied.

In article ,
Jim Yanik wrote:

Kurt Ullman wrote in news:kurtullman-
:

In article ,
AZ Nomad wrote:


found a govt. site for $40 coupons and ordered two. We'll see.

My in-law got their coupons from the same site. Their convertors were
$9.95 each two weeks ago.
FWIW


do you mean [FORTY-nine] 49.95?

The coupons were for $40 and the amount they actually paid was
$9.95. Sorta works out to $49.95 total , but still o$9.95 out of pocket.
I guess I coulda made that a little more explicit (g).

In article ,
Robert Blass wrote:



Let me try this again. I am asking about a Portable Digital TV, like
the ones sold for analog TV. I never said I wanted it connected to a
car and I didn't mention needing it for a laptop, in fact I never even
said the word laptop.

?

Someone brought up the laptop as a *possible* solution, just in case you
had one already. The tuner dongle would be less expensive than a whole
TV *if* you already had the laptop.

Robert Blass wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:11:28 -0500, "Pete C."
sayd the following:

Tony Hwang wrote:
Robert Blass wrote:
I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.


Hi,
One thing some fancy laptop computers come with TV tuner.
And for others, the USB tuner dongles are $100.


Uh, how would that work with NO electricity which is why I asked?


Hmmm,
Laptops work on built-in batteries and can be charged while being used
via car cigarette lighter plug.

On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 00:19:54 GMT, aemeijers wrote:

Robert Blass wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:11:28 -0500, "Pete C."
sayd the following:

Tony Hwang wrote:
Robert Blass wrote:
I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.


Hi,
One thing some fancy laptop computers come with TV tuner.
And for others, the USB tuner dongles are $100.


Uh, how would that work with NO electricity which is why I asked?


On your charged-up laptop, which will run about as long as alkalines in
a battery TV. If you have gas in the car to keep that battery running,
you can sit in the car and watch. I've done that a few times, now I just
try to sleep through the outage, or if it is several days, find the
nearest hotel with power and room.

I wanted to do that last thing, but there's a problem in that major
power outages often coincide with hotels being full, as happened
during the recent storm (Ike).
--
82 days until the winter solstice celebration

Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The government of the United States is not, in
any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

Andy wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:02:07 -0400, Robert Blass
wrote:


I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.


Haier Hlt71 7" Portable Lcd Tv - HLT71
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=208673168


I'm curious about something. On three different TVs with digital
tuners, a 2002 model with a set top box, a 2008 model with built in OTA
digital tuner, and my mother's portable with a digital converter, it
seems like the digital signal does a VERY poor job of penetrating
walls. The only thing that I've tried so far that worked worth a crap
is an outdoor rooftop antennae and even that was affected if the wind
blew the leaves on the tall trees between the antennae and the
transmitter towers downtown. Are others having similar experiences?

Kurt Ullman wrote:

In article ,
Jim Yanik wrote:

Kurt Ullman wrote in news:kurtullman-
:

In article ,
AZ Nomad wrote:


found a govt. site for $40 coupons and ordered two. We'll see.

My in-law got their coupons from the same site. Their convertors were
$9.95 each two weeks ago.
FWIW


do you mean [FORTY-nine] 49.95?

The coupons were for $40 and the amount they actually paid was
$9.95. Sorta works out to $49.95 total , but still o$9.95 out of pocket.
I guess I coulda made that a little more explicit (g).



The $40 is out of pocket too, just a bit more indirectly.

"T. McQuinn" wrote:

Andy wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:02:07 -0400, Robert Blass
wrote:


I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.


Haier Hlt71 7" Portable Lcd Tv - HLT71
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=208673168


I'm curious about something. On three different TVs with digital
tuners, a 2002 model with a set top box, a 2008 model with built in OTA
digital tuner, and my mother's portable with a digital converter, it
seems like the digital signal does a VERY poor job of penetrating
walls. The only thing that I've tried so far that worked worth a crap
is an outdoor rooftop antennae and even that was affected if the wind
blew the leaves on the tall trees between the antennae and the
transmitter towers downtown. Are others having similar experiences?

Wait until Feb '09 or so when the stations are transmitting at full
power.

Pete C. wrote:
"T. McQuinn" wrote:

Andy wrote:

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:02:07 -0400, Robert Blass
wrote:



I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.



Haier Hlt71 7" Portable Lcd Tv - HLT71
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=208673168


I'm curious about something. On three different TVs with digital
tuners, a 2002 model with a set top box, a 2008 model with built in OTA
digital tuner, and my mother's portable with a digital converter, it
seems like the digital signal does a VERY poor job of penetrating
walls. The only thing that I've tried so far that worked worth a crap
is an outdoor rooftop antennae and even that was affected if the wind
blew the leaves on the tall trees between the antennae and the
transmitter towers downtown. Are others having similar experiences?


Wait until Feb '09 or so when the stations are transmitting at full
power.

Are you saying that even though many of the sub channels (12-1, 12-2,
12-3) are only available via over the air that they aren't using full power?

On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 10:18:36 -0400, "T. McQuinn"
wrote:

[snip]


Are you saying that even though many of the sub channels (12-1, 12-2,
12-3) are only available via over the air that they aren't using full power?

I think that's true with the ABC station here. Also, they seem to be
planning to go back to the original channel (analog on 7, digital on
10) later. Maybe they're now using a low power transmitter for digital
and will switch to the full power one (currently being used for
analog) then.

Why would sub channel availability have anything to do with
transmitter power?
--
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Mark Lloyd
http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"The government of the United States is not, in
any sense, founded on the Christian religion."

"T. McQuinn" wrote:

Pete C. wrote:
"T. McQuinn" wrote:

Andy wrote:

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:02:07 -0400, Robert Blass
wrote:



I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.



Haier Hlt71 7" Portable Lcd Tv - HLT71
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=208673168


I'm curious about something. On three different TVs with digital
tuners, a 2002 model with a set top box, a 2008 model with built in OTA
digital tuner, and my mother's portable with a digital converter, it
seems like the digital signal does a VERY poor job of penetrating
walls. The only thing that I've tried so far that worked worth a crap
is an outdoor rooftop antennae and even that was affected if the wind
blew the leaves on the tall trees between the antennae and the
transmitter towers downtown. Are others having similar experiences?


Wait until Feb '09 or so when the stations are transmitting at full
power.

Are you saying that even though many of the sub channels (12-1, 12-2,
12-3) are only available via over the air that they aren't using full power?

Many if not most of the current ATSC transmissions are at considerably
lower power than the stations main NTSC transmission and will switch to
full power when the NTSC transmitter is shutdown. Some of these ATSC
transmissions are operating at a few kW now and will be in the MW range
after the cutover. Somewhere on the FCC site there is a database listing
the pre and post cutover power levels. Sub channels have nothing to do
with it.

Pete C. wrote:
Many if not most of the current ATSC transmissions are at considerably
lower power than the stations main NTSC transmission and will switch to
full power when the NTSC transmitter is shutdown. Some of these ATSC
transmissions are operating at a few kW now and will be in the MW range
after the cutover. Somewhere on the FCC site there is a database listing
the pre and post cutover power levels. Sub channels have nothing to do
with it.


That could be very good news! I'll have to look for that FCC data.

T. McQuinn wrote:
Andy wrote:
On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:02:07 -0400, Robert Blass
wrote:


I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.


Haier Hlt71 7" Portable Lcd Tv - HLT71
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=208673168


I'm curious about something. On three different TVs with digital
tuners, a 2002 model with a set top box, a 2008 model with built in OTA
digital tuner, and my mother's portable with a digital converter, it
seems like the digital signal does a VERY poor job of penetrating
walls. The only thing that I've tried so far that worked worth a crap
is an outdoor rooftop antennae and even that was affected if the wind
blew the leaves on the tall trees between the antennae and the
transmitter towers downtown. Are others having similar experiences?

Sounds like you are in a fringe area. I do pretty good with a converter
box and rabbit ears, except for one station that is a tough catch even
for analog and a roof antenna. I do find the digital signals are much
fussier about how the antenna is pointed. I'm just farting around at
this point, while I decide how much to spend on a new roof antenna to
replace the one that came with the house that is in sad shape. (It will
only be backup for Dishnet, so I don't want to spend too much.) I
clamped rabbit ears on a swiveling camera tripod in the corner of the
back living room, so I can easily rotate it as needed.

(No, no woman lives here. Why do you ask?)

--
aem sends...

Pete C. wrote:
"T. McQuinn" wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
"T. McQuinn" wrote:

Andy wrote:

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:02:07 -0400, Robert Blass
wrote:



I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.



Haier Hlt71 7" Portable Lcd Tv - HLT71
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=208673168


I'm curious about something. On three different TVs with digital
tuners, a 2002 model with a set top box, a 2008 model with built in OTA
digital tuner, and my mother's portable with a digital converter, it
seems like the digital signal does a VERY poor job of penetrating
walls. The only thing that I've tried so far that worked worth a crap
is an outdoor rooftop antennae and even that was affected if the wind
blew the leaves on the tall trees between the antennae and the
transmitter towers downtown. Are others having similar experiences?

Wait until Feb '09 or so when the stations are transmitting at full
power.

Are you saying that even though many of the sub channels (12-1, 12-2,
12-3) are only available via over the air that they aren't using full power?

Many if not most of the current ATSC transmissions are at considerably
lower power than the stations main NTSC transmission and will switch to
full power when the NTSC transmitter is shutdown. Some of these ATSC
transmissions are operating at a few kW now and will be in the MW range
after the cutover. Somewhere on the FCC site there is a database listing
the pre and post cutover power levels. Sub channels have nothing to do
with it.
Hmmmm,
1MW = 1000,000W = 1Kw. So you're saying they are going to decrease power?

On Sat, 04 Oct 2008 15:54:58 -0600, Tony Hwang wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
"T. McQuinn" wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
"T. McQuinn" wrote:

Andy wrote:

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:02:07 -0400, Robert Blass
wrote:



I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.



Haier Hlt71 7" Portable Lcd Tv - HLT71
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=208673168


I'm curious about something. On three different TVs with digital
tuners, a 2002 model with a set top box, a 2008 model with built in OTA
digital tuner, and my mother's portable with a digital converter, it
seems like the digital signal does a VERY poor job of penetrating
walls. The only thing that I've tried so far that worked worth a crap
is an outdoor rooftop antennae and even that was affected if the wind
blew the leaves on the tall trees between the antennae and the
transmitter towers downtown. Are others having similar experiences?

Wait until Feb '09 or so when the stations are transmitting at full
power.

Are you saying that even though many of the sub channels (12-1, 12-2,
12-3) are only available via over the air that they aren't using full power?

Many if not most of the current ATSC transmissions are at considerably
lower power than the stations main NTSC transmission and will switch to
full power when the NTSC transmitter is shutdown. Some of these ATSC
transmissions are operating at a few kW now and will be in the MW range
after the cutover. Somewhere on the FCC site there is a database listing
the pre and post cutover power levels. Sub channels have nothing to do
with it.
Hmmmm,
1MW = 1000,000W = 1Kw. So you're saying they are going to decrease power?

1MW = 1,000,000W != 1Kw

Tony Hwang wrote:

Pete C. wrote:
"T. McQuinn" wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
"T. McQuinn" wrote:

Andy wrote:

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:02:07 -0400, Robert Blass
wrote:



I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009. Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know, one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.



Haier Hlt71 7" Portable Lcd Tv - HLT71
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=208673168


I'm curious about something. On three different TVs with digital
tuners, a 2002 model with a set top box, a 2008 model with built in OTA
digital tuner, and my mother's portable with a digital converter, it
seems like the digital signal does a VERY poor job of penetrating
walls. The only thing that I've tried so far that worked worth a crap
is an outdoor rooftop antennae and even that was affected if the wind
blew the leaves on the tall trees between the antennae and the
transmitter towers downtown. Are others having similar experiences?

Wait until Feb '09 or so when the stations are transmitting at full
power.

Are you saying that even though many of the sub channels (12-1, 12-2,
12-3) are only available via over the air that they aren't using full power?

Many if not most of the current ATSC transmissions are at considerably
lower power than the stations main NTSC transmission and will switch to
full power when the NTSC transmitter is shutdown. Some of these ATSC
transmissions are operating at a few kW now and will be in the MW range
after the cutover. Somewhere on the FCC site there is a database listing
the pre and post cutover power levels. Sub channels have nothing to do
with it.
Hmmmm,
1MW = 1000,000W = 1Kw. So you're saying they are going to decrease power?

1 MW = 1,000 KW = 1,000,000 W, not to be confused with 1 mW = 0.01 W

"Pete C." wrote in message
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Tony Hwang wrote:

Pete C. wrote:
"T. McQuinn" wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
"T. McQuinn" wrote:

Andy wrote:

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:02:07 -0400, Robert Blass

wrote:



I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009.
Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know,
one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.



Haier Hlt71 7" Portable Lcd Tv - HLT71
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=208673168


I'm curious about something. On three different TVs with digital
tuners, a 2002 model with a set top box, a 2008 model with built in
OTA
digital tuner, and my mother's portable with a digital converter, it
seems like the digital signal does a VERY poor job of penetrating
walls. The only thing that I've tried so far that worked worth a
crap
is an outdoor rooftop antennae and even that was affected if the
wind
blew the leaves on the tall trees between the antennae and the
transmitter towers downtown. Are others having similar experiences?

Wait until Feb '09 or so when the stations are transmitting at full
power.

Are you saying that even though many of the sub channels (12-1, 12-2,
12-3) are only available via over the air that they aren't using full
power?

Many if not most of the current ATSC transmissions are at considerably
lower power than the stations main NTSC transmission and will switch to
full power when the NTSC transmitter is shutdown. Some of these ATSC
transmissions are operating at a few kW now and will be in the MW range
after the cutover. Somewhere on the FCC site there is a database
listing
the pre and post cutover power levels. Sub channels have nothing to do
with it.
Hmmmm,
1MW = 1000,000W = 1Kw. So you're saying they are going to decrease power?

1 MW = 1,000 KW = 1,000,000 W, not to be confused with 1 mW = 0.01 W

1 mW = 0.001 W

JohnB wrote:

"Pete C." wrote in message
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Tony Hwang wrote:

Pete C. wrote:
"T. McQuinn" wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
"T. McQuinn" wrote:

Andy wrote:

On Fri, 03 Oct 2008 10:02:07 -0400, Robert Blass

wrote:



I have a portable analog TV which will be a door stop in 2009.
Does
any place sell the new digital tv's in a portable form? You know,
one
that runs on batteries in case your electricity goes out.



Haier Hlt71 7" Portable Lcd Tv - HLT71
http://www.buy.com/retail/product.asp?sku=208673168


I'm curious about something. On three different TVs with digital
tuners, a 2002 model with a set top box, a 2008 model with built in
OTA
digital tuner, and my mother's portable with a digital converter, it
seems like the digital signal does a VERY poor job of penetrating
walls. The only thing that I've tried so far that worked worth a
crap
is an outdoor rooftop antennae and even that was affected if the
wind
blew the leaves on the tall trees between the antennae and the
transmitter towers downtown. Are others having similar experiences?

Wait until Feb '09 or so when the stations are transmitting at full
power.

Are you saying that even though many of the sub channels (12-1, 12-2,
12-3) are only available via over the air that they aren't using full
power?

Many if not most of the current ATSC transmissions are at considerably
lower power than the stations main NTSC transmission and will switch to
full power when the NTSC transmitter is shutdown. Some of these ATSC
transmissions are operating at a few kW now and will be in the MW range
after the cutover. Somewhere on the FCC site there is a database
listing
the pre and post cutover power levels. Sub channels have nothing to do
with it.
Hmmmm,
1MW = 1000,000W = 1Kw. So you're saying they are going to decrease power?

1 MW = 1,000 KW = 1,000,000 W, not to be confused with 1 mW = 0.01 W

1 mW = 0.001 W

Yea, that too. Typing too fast

On Oct 3, 12:58*pm, Kurt Ullman wrote:
In article ,
*AZ Nomad wrote:



found a govt. site for $40 coupons and ordered two. *We'll see.

* *My in-law got their coupons from the same site. Their convertors were
$9.95 each two weeks ago.
FWIW


Circuit City is selling them for $60, so after the rebate they are $20.