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On Aug 29, 12:14*pm, "Steve Barker DLT"
wrote: that's because it doesn't matter. s "Mark" wrote in message ... I find it funny that the NEC seems to cover every detail you could think of, but not this one. Mark well it does matter in the sense that many cords and wall warts seem to hang better with the ground pin down....but many commercial buildings seem to have the ground pin up... It would be nice in this case if there WAS a standard way to do it... The NEC seems to want to define everything, here is a case where we NEED a standard and they didn't do it.... I don't care which way, just pick one way and make all the plugs play well with that way... Mark |
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Someone here has already given an iron clad example.
In hospitals and most commercial buildings, the outlet covers are stainless steel. In these buildings there is constant construction going on. Cover screws can work loose from vibration. Up is better, and required in patient care areas, because of falling metal objects. ie surgical trays, surgical instruments, paper clips and yes, coat hangers. On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 13:18:24 -0500, "Steve Barker DLT" wrote: It's soooooooooo far fetched, it's doubtful it actually happened. s "David Nebenzahl" wrote in message rs.com... I never paid much attention but just a couple months ago a metal hangar fell behind a dresser. There was a big flash and a breaker blew. The plug behind the dresser was not plugged in all the way and luck would have it the hanger shorted out the contacts. There you have it. I think this one data point is enough to tilt the argument in favor of ground pin up. Since it's otherwise arbitrary, why not do the safer thing? |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 09:51:39 -0700 (PDT), terry
wrote: On Aug 29, 11:29*am, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Aug 28, 4:59*pm, "john" wrote: Does the 2008 NEC specify which way to orient 3-prong outlets? Should it be ground on tophttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Electrical_o... or ground on bottomhttp://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/00/34/23433400.jpg ? The tradition seems to be ground on bottom, but I heard it is safer to have ground on top so falling coins are less likely to short out a loosely plugged in plug. Years ago I worked at a factory where the electricians were required to install all outlets ground up. I was told that since there was more of a chance that a metal object would come in contact with a loose plug from the top than from the bottom, and since in the vast majority of the installations the type of cord would not be an issue, they opted for the "safer" method. In other words, if it makes the factory just a tad bit safer, and really has no other impact (other then writing it up in the procedure manual) then why not? I agree. Or at least I did until most of the el-cheapo stuff such as wall warts, night lights, air fresheners, shaver and cell phone chargers etc. etc. etc. all the ancillary gear we seem to have to plug in these days, seem to be ground pin down! Also thinking; if and when I ever finish off and wire my basement area, I will install two duplex outlets in each location and one will be UP and the other DOWN. However will probably then find then that things plugged into one duplex outlet will interfere with things plugged into t'other adjacent duplex! It's probably this confusion and the increasing number of 'gadgets' that has lead the profusion of cheap and in some cases very nasty 'power bars' into which we then plug, even more, higgledy-piggledy too many of the power supplies for the various gadgets.. I have found a few wall warts with plugs that are L shaped so they are parallel to the floor and don't block another outlet. These have to be very light though. I don't know why they don't just add a piggyback to the big ones. Actually I do know the rea$on, but it would make everyone's life easier. |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:35:21 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote: "PanHandler" wrote in message news "Steve Barker DLT" wrote in message ... Ground down. the other way looks stupid. Horizontally. Then everybody can obsess about trivialities. Geesh! Ground left or right? Please advise. No advice, but decide how this one goes in :-) http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/imag....30.acenti.jpg (grin) |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:01:18 -0400, mm
wrote: Discussions here have centered around ground down, except when the outlet is on a wall switch. I doubt most people would know that code if they didn't own the home when it was under construction, but those who pay attention could notice the difference and ask or figure it out. Each of the four switched outlets in my house are ground up. The bottom receptacle is on the switch and the top one is hot. The switch was indicated by a small sticker on the switch (until folks get use to the new house). By visually looking I know they are switched, so treating repairs accordingly. New stone in the mix: Does the ground go into the center? http://www.apartmenttherapy.com/imag....30.acenti.jpg |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:31:40 -0500, "PanHandler"
wrote: "john" wrote in message ... Does the 2008 NEC specify which way to orient 3-prong outlets? The tradition seems to be ground on bottom, but I heard it is safer to have ground on top so falling coins are less likely to short out a loosely plugged in plug. Ground down. How often do dropped coins slide down a wall? The real problem is when one of your fingers slides down the wall. And having one of those non-trip breakers doesn't help either. |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:26:24 -0400, Claude Hopper
wrote: PanHandler wrote: "john" wrote in message ... Does the 2008 NEC specify which way to orient 3-prong outlets? The tradition seems to be ground on bottom, but I heard it is safer to have ground on top so falling coins are less likely to short out a loosely plugged in plug. Ground down. How often do dropped coins slide down a wall? Yea, I have a pile of burnt coins on the floor. I'll have to turn my plugs ground up. The coins are supposed to go in the fuse box :-) |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:02:01 -0500, "Steve Barker DLT"
wrote: I didn't call anyone stupid. I said upside down outlets look stupid. And they do. "upside down" is the direction opposite the direction opposite the direction ... While "down" is the direction things move in when not restrained or pushed. True, but unhelpful :-) s "Lurfys Maw" wrote in message .. . On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:07:02 -0500, "Steve Barker DLT" wrote: Ground down. the other way looks stupid. Calling someone stupid for asking a question is...stupid. |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 21:28:42 -0500, Red Green
wrote: Lurfys Maw wrote in : On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:07:02 -0500, "Steve Barker DLT" wrote: Ground down. the other way looks stupid. Calling someone stupid for asking a question is...stupid. When was anyone called stupid? He just said the other way looks stupid. OK, he insulted a duplex outlet just because it's orientation is different. In some states it is a Hate Crime to discriminate because of orientation. He should expect to be served with a lawsuit from the National Brotherhood of Duplex Outlets shortly. Get a wall plug :-) |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:23:16 -0500, "Rick Brandt"
wrote: Steve Barker DLT wrote: Ground down. the other way looks stupid. Also to be considered is that plugs mounted 90 degrees to the cord don't work very well with ground at the top. They do if the appliance is mounted on the wall above the receptacle (like an air conditioner). Actually, I did install an air conditioner recently. The plug was at a right angle so it went up from the receptacle. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 17:37:58 -0700, Square Peg
wrote: [snip] Oh-oh. Now which way should they be oriented? North (up on a map)? Toward the power company? Toward Mecca? The correct orientation is pointing toward the place you get coffee. You better do it right or you may get called stupid. |
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3 prong outlet, which way is up? NOT AGAIN!!!!!
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 22:06:01 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote: john posted for all of us... Does the 2008 NEC specify which way to orient 3-prong outlets? Should it be ground on top http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...with_label.jpg or ground on bottom http://images.jupiterimages.com/comm...4/23433400.jpg ? The tradition seems to be ground on bottom, but I heard it is safer to have ground on top so falling coins are less likely to short out a loosely plugged in plug. What is this? About the 3 billionth time this has been discussed? At least it wasn't 3 billion times in one day. I've seen stuff like that on another group. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 14:10:38 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote: john wrote: Does the 2008 NEC specify which way to orient 3-prong outlets? Should it be ground on top http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...with_label.jpg or ground on bottom http://images.jupiterimages.com/comm...4/23433400.jpg ? The tradition seems to be ground on bottom, but I heard it is safer to have ground on top so falling coins are less likely to short out a loosely plugged in plug. Get the recessed outlets, like they use for mounting clocks, then no matter what slides down the walls - from pennies to drunk relatives - there will be no hazard at all. They don't keep kids fingers out. |
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On 8/29/2008 12:53 PM Mark spake thus:
On Aug 29, 12:14 pm, "Steve Barker DLT" wrote: that's because it doesn't matter. "Mark" wrote in message ... I find it funny that the NEC seems to cover every detail you could think of, but not this one. well it does matter in the sense that many cords and wall warts seem to hang better with the ground pin down....but many commercial buildings seem to have the ground pin up... Except that, as someone else pointed out, almost all wall warts have 2 prongs and no ground pin. -- "In 1964 Barry Goldwater declared: 'Elect me president, and I will bomb the cities of Vietnam, defoliate the jungles, herd the population into concentration camps and turn the country into a wasteland.' But Lyndon Johnson said: 'No! No! No! Don't you dare do that. Let ME do it.'" - Characterization (paraphrased) of the 1964 Goldwater/Johnson presidential race by Professor Irwin Corey, "The World's Foremost Authority". |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 17:39:13 -0500, Mark Lloyd
wrote: What is this? About the 3 billionth time this has been discussed? At least it wasn't 3 billion times in one day. I've seen stuff like that on another group. I may have reached the _End of the Internet_ already. I gleaned most of it, not worrying about 50 thousand missed messages. |
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DerbyDad03 wrote in
: Years ago I worked at a factory where the electricians were required to install all outlets ground up. I was told that since there was more of a chance that a metal object would come in contact with a loose plug from the top than from the bottom, and since in the vast majority of the installations the type of cord would not be an issue, they opted for the "safer" method. In other words, if it makes the factory just a tad bit safer, and really has no other impact (other then writing it up in the procedure manual) then why not? It's not necessarily safer. One of the biggest dangers is fires caused by heat from loose connections. Anything that increases the odds of bringing your attention to a loose connection is likely to be safer for that reason, even if it results in a short and a circuit breaker tripping. |
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Claude Hopper wrote in
: Yea, I have a pile of burnt coins on the floor. I'll have to turn my plugs ground up. Why bother to have the plugs ground up? It's easier to have the burnt coins ground up. Just use a grinder. |
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wrote in message Ground up does not work well with all plugs (then again ground down does not work well with some other plugs.) I recently bought some power strips for the office and the plug rotates so it can be use in either direction or even at 45 degrees if you want. All the new recepticals installed during a remodel are ground up. |
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On Aug 28, 4:59*pm, "john" wrote:
Does the 2008 NEC specify which way to orient 3-prong outlets? Should it be ground on tophttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Electrical_o... or ground on bottomhttp://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/00/34/23433400.jpg ? The tradition seems to be ground on bottom, but I heard it is safer to have ground on top so falling coins are less likely to short out a loosely plugged in plug. I just so happened to have to unplug the freezer in my garage this evening. Right angle plug, ground up. That would explain why I installed the receptacle ground up. |
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On Aug 29, 11:25�pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Aug 28, 4:59�pm, "john" wrote: Does the 2008 NEC specify which way to orient 3-prong outlets? Should it be ground on tophttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Electrical_o... or ground on bottomhttp://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/00/34/23433400.jpg ? The tradition seems to be ground on bottom, but I heard it is safer to have ground on top so falling coins are less likely to short out a loosely plugged in plug. I just so happened to have to unplug the freezer in my garage this evening. Right angle plug, ground up. That would explain why I installed the receptacle ground up. had some change fall off a tablew and fell just right to a ground down outlet with plug not in all the way a few years ago. what a spark display, it took a long time for the breaker to trip. i nearly turned them all to ground up after this exciting event. have seen some devices with accordion like rubber covers to preevent this, bet one day they are code |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:13:51 -0700, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 8/28/2008 3:07 PM Steve Barker DLT spake thus: Ground down. the other way looks stupid. That's probably as good as answer as any (basically, "it's completely arbitrary, so orient it the way 99% of other outlets are oriented".) However, there are good reasons to put them in "upside down" (i.e., ground pin up). Last time I was in a hospital, I noticed that almost all the outlets were "upside down", and later heard/read that this is to prevent sparks and shocks should a metal implement fall down along the wall and contact a plug in an outlet. Makes sense. I'm even starting to put in some outlets this way. Oh, and I've also noticed that having the ground pin on top tends to hold 3-prong plugs in the outlet more tightly and resist the plug falling out, like when you're using an extension cord and tug on it. Ground up is industrial code and this year's revision also calls for ground up on residential. |
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Mike Dobony wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:13:51 -0700, David Nebenzahl wrote: On 8/28/2008 3:07 PM Steve Barker DLT spake thus: Ground down. the other way looks stupid. That's probably as good as answer as any (basically, "it's completely arbitrary, so orient it the way 99% of other outlets are oriented".) However, there are good reasons to put them in "upside down" (i.e., ground pin up). Last time I was in a hospital, I noticed that almost all the outlets were "upside down", and later heard/read that this is to prevent sparks and shocks should a metal implement fall down along the wall and contact a plug in an outlet. Makes sense. I'm even starting to put in some outlets this way. Oh, and I've also noticed that having the ground pin on top tends to hold 3-prong plugs in the outlet more tightly and resist the plug falling out, like when you're using an extension cord and tug on it. Ground up is industrial code and this year's revision also calls for ground up on residential. Good info. Thanks. Lou |
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On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:23:16 -0500, "Rick Brandt"
wrote: Steve Barker DLT wrote: Ground down. the other way looks stupid. Also to be considered is that plugs mounted 90 degrees to the cord don't work very well with ground at the top. My refrig power cord definitely wants the ground DOWN. And until I start seeing power cords that are designed for ground UP, then all my grounds will be DOWN. |
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My grounds will always be down for the rest of my life. if a cord doesn't
cooperate, then I'll change the plug on the end of it. s "Duff" wrote in message ... My refrig power cord definitely wants the ground DOWN. And until I start seeing power cords that are designed for ground UP, then all my grounds will be DOWN. |
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Duff wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:23:16 -0500, "Rick Brandt" wrote: Steve Barker DLT wrote: Ground down. the other way looks stupid. Also to be considered is that plugs mounted 90 degrees to the cord don't work very well with ground at the top. My refrig power cord definitely wants the ground DOWN. And until I start seeing power cords that are designed for ground UP, then all my grounds will be DOWN. ????????????????????? |
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"Mike Dobony" wrote in message ... On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:13:51 -0700, David Nebenzahl wrote: On 8/28/2008 3:07 PM Steve Barker DLT spake thus: Ground down. the other way looks stupid. That's probably as good as answer as any (basically, "it's completely arbitrary, so orient it the way 99% of other outlets are oriented".) However, there are good reasons to put them in "upside down" (i.e., ground pin up). Last time I was in a hospital, I noticed that almost all the outlets were "upside down", and later heard/read that this is to prevent sparks and shocks should a metal implement fall down along the wall and contact a plug in an outlet. Makes sense. I'm even starting to put in some outlets this way. Oh, and I've also noticed that having the ground pin on top tends to hold 3-prong plugs in the outlet more tightly and resist the plug falling out, like when you're using an extension cord and tug on it. Ground up is industrial code and this year's revision also calls for ground up on residential. I have mine with the ground to the right This puts the hot up , standard around here. |
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On Aug 30, 10:43*am, Duff wrote:
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 20:23:16 -0500, "Rick Brandt" wrote: Steve Barker DLT wrote: Ground down. *the other way looks stupid. Also to be considered is that plugs mounted 90 degrees to the cord don't work very well with ground at the top. *My refrig power cord definitely wants the ground DOWN. * And until I start seeing power cords that are designed for ground UP, then all my grounds will be DOWN. And until I start seeing power cords that are designed for ground UP, then all my grounds will be DOWN. You can see one here. This is an extension cord but I have the same type of plug on my freezer. http://tinyurl.com/6owe4e |
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:14:33 -0500, Mike Dobony
wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:13:51 -0700, David Nebenzahl wrote: On 8/28/2008 3:07 PM Steve Barker DLT spake thus: Ground down. the other way looks stupid. That's probably as good as answer as any (basically, "it's completely arbitrary, so orient it the way 99% of other outlets are oriented".) However, there are good reasons to put them in "upside down" (i.e., ground pin up). Last time I was in a hospital, I noticed that almost all the outlets were "upside down", and later heard/read that this is to prevent sparks and shocks should a metal implement fall down along the wall and contact a plug in an outlet. Makes sense. I'm even starting to put in some outlets this way. Oh, and I've also noticed that having the ground pin on top tends to hold 3-prong plugs in the outlet more tightly and resist the plug falling out, like when you're using an extension cord and tug on it. Ground up is industrial code and this year's revision also calls for ground up on residential. I can't believe they made the code that way when it looks so stupid. |
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On 8/30/2008 10:14 AM Square Peg spake thus:
On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:14:33 -0500, Mike Dobony wrote: Ground up is industrial code and this year's revision also calls for ground up on residential. I can't believe they made the code that way when it looks so stupid. Why do you think it looks stupid--because you're used to seeing it the other way around? Sheesh, it's a thing with a bunch of holes in it. There's no "natural" orientation. Get used to it. -- "In 1964 Barry Goldwater declared: 'Elect me president, and I will bomb the cities of Vietnam, defoliate the jungles, herd the population into concentration camps and turn the country into a wasteland.' But Lyndon Johnson said: 'No! No! No! Don't you dare do that. Let ME do it.'" - Characterization (paraphrased) of the 1964 Goldwater/Johnson presidential race by Professor Irwin Corey, "The World's Foremost Authority". |
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On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 10:14:03 -0700, Square Peg
wrote: On Sat, 30 Aug 2008 09:14:33 -0500, Mike Dobony wrote: On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 16:13:51 -0700, David Nebenzahl wrote: On 8/28/2008 3:07 PM Steve Barker DLT spake thus: Ground down. the other way looks stupid. That's probably as good as answer as any (basically, "it's completely arbitrary, so orient it the way 99% of other outlets are oriented".) However, there are good reasons to put them in "upside down" (i.e., ground pin up). Last time I was in a hospital, I noticed that almost all the outlets were "upside down", and later heard/read that this is to prevent sparks and shocks should a metal implement fall down along the wall and contact a plug in an outlet. Makes sense. I'm even starting to put in some outlets this way. Oh, and I've also noticed that having the ground pin on top tends to hold 3-prong plugs in the outlet more tightly and resist the plug falling out, like when you're using an extension cord and tug on it. Ground up is industrial code and this year's revision also calls for ground up on residential. I can't believe they made the code that way when it looks so stupid. To some people, safety is more important than a ridiculously distorted sense of esthetics. |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 15:47:33 -0700, David Nebenzahl
wrote: On 8/29/2008 12:53 PM Mark spake thus: On Aug 29, 12:14 pm, "Steve Barker DLT" wrote: that's because it doesn't matter. "Mark" wrote in message ... I find it funny that the NEC seems to cover every detail you could think of, but not this one. well it does matter in the sense that many cords and wall warts seem to hang better with the ground pin down....but many commercial buildings seem to have the ground pin up... Except that, as someone else pointed out, almost all wall warts have 2 prongs and no ground pin. However, some (for no apparent reason) have POLARIZED plugs. That has the same effect as having a ground pin, for limiting the ways they can be turned. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." |
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On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:33:43 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote: wrote in message Ground up does not work well with all plugs (then again ground down does not work well with some other plugs.) I recently bought some power strips for the office and the plug rotates so it can be use in either direction or even at 45 degrees if you want. All the new recepticals installed during a remodel are ground up. I just saw a 3-pack of "outlet savers" in a store. Those are the things that are supposed to let you use all the outlets in a power strip, even when you have several wall-warts. $2 each is a really high price to pay for 6-inch extension cords. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." |
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wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 11:25?pm, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Aug 28, 4:59?pm, "john" wrote: Does the 2008 NEC specify which way to orient 3-prong outlets? Should it be ground on tophttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Electrical_o... or ground on bottomhttp://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/00/34/23433400.jpg ? The tradition seems to be ground on bottom, but I heard it is safer to have ground on top so falling coins are less likely to short out a loosely plugged in plug. I just so happened to have to unplug the freezer in my garage this evening. Right angle plug, ground up. That would explain why I installed the receptacle ground up. had some change fall off a tablew and fell just right to a ground down outlet with plug not in all the way a few years ago. what a spark display, it took a long time for the breaker to trip. i nearly turned them all to ground up after this exciting event. have seen some devices with accordion like rubber covers to preevent this, bet one day they are code Already is in the real world! Has been for years in Brit. |
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On Aug 30, 4:27*pm, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Fri, 29 Aug 2008 22:33:43 -0400, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote: wrote in message * Ground up does not work well with all plugs (then again ground down does not work well with some other plugs.) I recently bought some power strips for the office and the plug rotates so it can be use in either direction or even at 45 degrees if you want. *All the new recepticals installed during a remodel are ground up. I just saw a 3-pack of "outlet savers" in a store. Those are the things that are supposed to let you use all the outlets in a power strip, even when you have several wall-warts. $2 each is a really high price to pay for 6-inch extension cords. -- Mark Lloydhttp://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "The government of the United States is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." $2 each is a really high price to pay for 6-inch extension cords. Price out your other options. Let's say you have 5 or 6 warts and an outlet strip that will only accommodate 3. Option 1 - Another power strip. Takes up more space, won't be fully utilized and probably costs more than $6. Option 2 - Longer extension cords. Takes up more space (sloppy) and probably costs more than $6 Option 3 - Spread your warts out to other outlets. Assuming that's possible, what's the convenience of having all the warts in one place worth to you? Probably more than $6. Option 4 - Make your own 6-inch exttension cords. A viable option, but it'll probably cost close to $6 for all the parts, although you will have the pleasure of making your own and saying "shove it" to corporate America. :-) All in all, I'm not sure that "$2 each is a really high price to pay for 6-inch extension cords" |
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3 prong outlet, which way is up?
On Aug 30, 3:38*pm, "Dave + Gloria"
wrote: wrote in message ... On Aug 29, 11:25?pm, DerbyDad03 wrote: On Aug 28, 4:59?pm, "john" wrote: Does the 2008 NEC specify which way to orient 3-prong outlets? Should it be ground on tophttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/42/Electrical_o... or ground on bottomhttp://images.jupiterimages.com/common/detail/00/34/23433400.jpg ? The tradition seems to be ground on bottom, but I heard it is safer to have ground on top so falling coins are less likely to short out a loosely plugged in plug. I just so happened to have to unplug the freezer in my garage this evening. Right angle plug, ground up. That would explain why I installed the receptacle ground up. had some change fall off a tablew and fell just right to a ground down outlet with plug not in all the way a few years ago. what a spark display, it took a long time for the breaker to trip. i nearly turned them all to ground up after this exciting event. have seen some devices with accordion like rubber covers to preevent this, bet one day they are code Already is in the real world! Has been for years in Brit.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - With 240 volt supply the Brit has an even better reason for protections. |
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message I just saw a 3-pack of "outlet savers" in a store. Those are the things that are supposed to let you use all the outlets in a power strip, even when you have several wall-warts. $2 each is a really high price to pay for 6-inch extension cords. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com The labor cost is the same to put the ends on a 6" cord as for a 10' cord. How about you make me up a half dozen for a buck apiece? |
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message I just saw a 3-pack of "outlet savers" in a store. Those are the things that are supposed to let you use all the outlets in a power strip, even when you have several wall-warts. $2 each is a really high price to pay for 6-inch extension cords. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com The labor cost is the same to put the ends on a 6" cord as for a 10' cord. How about you make me up a half dozen for a buck apiece? The "labor" is done by a machine. |
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On Aug 30, 10:43*pm, LouB wrote:
Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "Mark Lloyd" wrote in message I just saw a 3-pack of "outlet savers" in a store. Those are the things that are supposed to let you use all the outlets in a power strip, even when you have several wall-warts. $2 each is a really high price to pay for 6-inch extension cords. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com The labor cost is the same to put the ends on a 6" cord as for a 10' cord. How about you make me up a half dozen for a buck apiece? The "labor" is done by a machine. The "labor" is done by a machine Are machines free? Fine, have it your way... The machine cost is the same to put the ends on a 6" cord as for a 10' cord. |
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"LouB" wrote in message ... Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "Mark Lloyd" wrote in message I just saw a 3-pack of "outlet savers" in a store. Those are the things that are supposed to let you use all the outlets in a power strip, even when you have several wall-warts. $2 each is a really high price to pay for 6-inch extension cords. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com The labor cost is the same to put the ends on a 6" cord as for a 10' cord. How about you make me up a half dozen for a buck apiece? The "labor" is done by a machine. Oh I didn't realize the machine went to the storeroom to get the parts, then assembled them and put them into finished goods inventory all with no people involved and no cost for the machine since there is no operator. Thank you for correcting my error. |
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LouB wrote:
Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "Mark Lloyd" wrote in message I just saw a 3-pack of "outlet savers" in a store. Those are the things that are supposed to let you use all the outlets in a power strip, even when you have several wall-warts. $2 each is a really high price to pay for 6-inch extension cords. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com The labor cost is the same to put the ends on a 6" cord as for a 10' cord. How about you make me up a half dozen for a buck apiece? The "labor" is done by a machine. It is like beer- you are mostly paying for the packaging and shipping, not the beer itself. Per oz, a keg is the cheapest way to buy beer. Unit cost for consumer goods can never drop below a certain point, or there would be no reason for the product to be made, because nobody would make any money on it. -- aem sends... |
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