Toilet Tank, Meet Toilet Bowl...
 

Quick question for the excellent folks here... I have a toilet bowl
(American Standard Champion 4) installed correctly, on a level floor,
am ready to attach the tank (Champion 4 Skyline, an appropriate match
as per the specs). I attach the gasket and then put the tank on the
bowl, lining up the two bolts... The instructions state fairly
clearly that I should tighten these until the bottom of the tank comes
to rest against the support "ribs" that run along the front and back
lines of the tank. And of course I should not tighten any more than
is necessary to correctly seat the tank. So far, so good. Well,
here's the problem... When I put the tank down on the bowl, it is
leaning forward, to the extent that the tank is already touching the
front rib, and a full inch above the back rib. (I mentioned that it's
the right tank for the bowl, and that the bowl is perfectly level,
right?) I can try to rock the tank back a bit as I tighten the bolts,
but even if I tighten WAY TOO MUCH, I'm still not getting the tank
anywhere near level. I say "WAY TOO MUCH" here because I've already
SHATTERED one tank attempting to attach it. No fun, and I'm sure a
great affront to every home repairman in this group. I'm really not a
total idiot, I promise. But I'm on the second tank here, and I'd
really like to avoid the same problem again...

Any suggestions very much appreciated! Sincere thanks, SH

Toilet Tank, Meet Toilet Bowl...
 

On 8/6/2008 5:35 PM SH spake thus:

Quick question for the excellent folks here... I have a toilet bowl
(American Standard Champion 4) installed correctly, on a level floor,
am ready to attach the tank (Champion 4 Skyline, an appropriate match
as per the specs).

[...]

SHATTERED one tank attempting to attach it. No fun, and I'm sure a
great affront to every home repairman in this group. I'm really not a
total idiot, I promise. But I'm on the second tank here, and I'd
really like to avoid the same problem again...

Not a plumber here, but having done just what you're doing (attaching a
tank to a bowl) not too long ago, I'm just wondering: are you sure the
rubber seal is installed correctly? Seems like that could be causing the
severe tilting you're experiencing.


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Toilet Tank, Meet Toilet Bowl...
 

On Aug 7, 1:38*am, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 8/6/2008 5:35 PM SH spake thus:


Not a plumber here, but having done just what you're doing (attaching a
tank to a bowl) not too long ago, I'm just wondering: are you sure the
rubber seal is installed correctly? Seems like that could be causing the
severe tilting you're experiencing.


Fair question, but yes, the gasket is evenly and securely attached.
I'll be calling American Standard today, was asking here in case
someone else had run into the same problem...

Thanks, SH

Toilet Tank, Meet Toilet Bowl...
 

I will tell you that I've found the secret to installing a tank to a bowl is
to push down on the tank while you hand tighten the nut. Do it evenly both
sides and when you are done the tank is tight with no tools.


"SH" wrote in message
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On Aug 7, 1:38 am, David Nebenzahl wrote:
On 8/6/2008 5:35 PM SH spake thus:


Not a plumber here, but having done just what you're doing (attaching a
tank to a bowl) not too long ago, I'm just wondering: are you sure the
rubber seal is installed correctly? Seems like that could be causing the
severe tilting you're experiencing.


Fair question, but yes, the gasket is evenly and securely attached.
I'll be calling American Standard today, was asking here in case
someone else had run into the same problem...

Thanks, SH

Toilet Tank, Meet Toilet Bowl...
 

On Aug 7, 10:08*am, "Art" wrote:
I will tell you that I've found the secret to installing a tank to a bowl is
to push down on the tank while you hand tighten the nut. *Do it evenly both
sides and when you are done the tank is tight with no tools.


Art,

Perfect. I actually sat on top of the tank to maintain the downward
pressure (and to keep the stupid thing straight), while my wife
tightened the bolts.

(American Standard was no big help, I'm afraid. Good thing people
here on the board know what they're talking about!)

Many thanks,

SH

Toilet Tank, Meet Toilet Bowl...
 

On Aug 6, 7:35*pm, SH wrote:
Quick question for the excellent folks here... *I have a toilet bowl
(American Standard Champion 4) installed correctly, on a level floor,
am ready to attach the tank (Champion 4 Skyline, an appropriate match
as per the specs). *I attach the gasket and then put the tank on the
bowl, lining up the two bolts... *The instructions state fairly
clearly that I should tighten these until the bottom of the tank comes
to rest against the support "ribs" that run along the front and back
lines of the tank. *And of course I should not tighten any more than
is necessary to correctly seat the tank. *So far, so good. *Well,
here's the problem... *When I put the tank down on the bowl, it is
leaning forward, to the extent that the tank is already touching the
front rib, and a full inch above the back rib. *(I mentioned that it's
the right tank for the bowl, and that the bowl is perfectly level,
right?) *I can try to rock the tank back a bit as I tighten the bolts,
but even if I tighten WAY TOO MUCH, I'm still not getting the tank
anywhere near level. *I say "WAY TOO MUCH" here because I've already
SHATTERED one tank attempting to attach it. *No fun, and I'm sure a
great affront to every home repairman in this group. *I'm really not a
total idiot, I promise. *But I'm on the second tank here, and I'd
really like to avoid the same problem again...

Any suggestions very much appreciated! *Sincere thanks, SH


I had the same problem witha Cadet 3 (American Standard). I went back
to Lowes and the guy there told me to kkep tightening, even though I
heard the crackling. I posted here, and the answers I got were to
ignore the Lowes guy (I did, without being told). What I ended up
doing was re-seating the gasket. I am guessing that you have the same
massive foam gasket I did, rather
than solid rubber. I made the mistake of putting the gasket too far
back in order to clear the ribs on the bowl mentioned in the
instructions. I re-seated it so that it came to the front of the
tank, then re-tightened. The tank straightened out automatically.

Toilet Tank, Meet Toilet Bowl...
 

replying to celticsoc, Captain Blight wrote:
Here's what worked for me. Clues were above (....downward pressure (and to
keep the stupid thing straight).......) and in the AS directions (....with the
tank parallel to the wall.....). Push towards the wall (and keep pushing
while tightening), so that the bottom of the tank is evenly above the ribs,
front and back. Maybe even have somebody kneel down and eyeball for you as
you gradually tighten a bit on each side. The tank should land fairly evenly
on the front and back ribs, and then a bit more tightening (without any
dramatic noises) should pull the tank down onto all 3 ribs. You can use a
piece of folded paper to check that the tank and each rib are in contact.

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