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I'm replacing a 30-year old electric Frigidaire drop-in stove with a new Kenwood
electric drop-in. The old stove has a 220v electrical input consisting of a black
wire, a black wire with a red stripe, a grey wire and a ground wire. I believe the
man at the Sears store said that new stoves have two wires, plus a ground wire.
What's the proper way to hook up the wiring?

Thanks!
Scott

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"Scott" wrote in message
...
I'm replacing a 30-year old electric Frigidaire drop-in stove with a new
Kenwood
electric drop-in. The old stove has a 220v electrical input consisting of
a black
wire, a black wire with a red stripe, a grey wire and a ground wire. I
believe the
man at the Sears store said that new stoves have two wires, plus a ground
wire.
What's the proper way to hook up the wiring?

Thanks!
Scott

Your old stove was connected to two hot legs, which were the black and black
with red tracer, a neutral which was the gray, and a ground, which was green
or bare. The new stove does not use a neutral, so cap that wire and just use
the two hot legs and the ground. Typically a stove does use both neutral and
ground, but often cooktops (unit with no oven) do not

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Anthony Diodati wrote:

"Scott" wrote in message
...
I'm replacing a 30-year old electric Frigidaire drop-in stove with a new
Kenwood
electric drop-in. The old stove has a 220v electrical input consisting of
a black
wire, a black wire with a red stripe, a grey wire and a ground wire. I
believe the
man at the Sears store said that new stoves have two wires, plus a ground
wire.
What's the proper way to hook up the wiring?

Thanks!
Scott
Didn't the stove come with a book to tell you the wiring requirements?
I think if there is a timer and a light or other accessories , you need 2
hots, a neutral and a ground.
Tony

Tony,

I don't know. They willb e delivering the stove in an hour.

Scott

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Scott,

Are you sure that the new stove is 220v? You don't say in your post
I'd read the installation manual carefully since the sales guy lead you
to believe that there is no neutral wire. I can imagine that the neutral and
ground are connected by a buss link but I can't imagine a stove without a
neutral in the US.
In the old days stoves used a neutral and 2 hot wires. with the ground
attached to the neutral.

Dave M.

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"Scott" wrote in message
...

I'm replacing a 30-year old electric Frigidaire drop-in stove with a new
Kenwood
electric drop-in. The old stove has a 220v electrical input consisting of
a black
wire, a black wire with a red stripe, a grey wire and a ground wire. I
believe the
man at the Sears store said that new stoves have two wires, plus a ground
wire.
What's the proper way to hook up the wiring?

If Sears wants to close the sale, it is reasonable for you
to expect unambiguous instructions in writing how to connect it.
"What the man said" is not good enough. If you have more
questions, ask Sears until you are satisfied with the answers.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

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David L. Martel wrote:
Scott,

Are you sure that the new stove is 220v? You don't say in your post
I'd read the installation manual carefully since the sales guy lead you
to believe that there is no neutral wire. I can imagine that the neutral and
ground are connected by a buss link but I can't imagine a stove without a
neutral in the US.
In the old days stoves used a neutral and 2 hot wires. with the ground
attached to the neutral.

Dave M.



I have seen plenty of stove and other 240V wiring without a neutral. 2
hots and ground with the ground wire connected and used as a neutral.
One house I lived in built in the mid '50's had just that. The ground
wire being a few haphazard strands of bare wire in the cable and
connected to the ground bus in the panel.

New 240V wiring is required to be 4 wire. I think most stoves can be
configured to use 3 wire if needed to accommodate the older wiring.
Kevin

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"Kevin Ricks" wrote in message
...
David L. Martel wrote:
Scott,

Are you sure that the new stove is 220v? You don't say in your post
I'd read the installation manual carefully since the sales guy lead
you to believe that there is no neutral wire. I can imagine that the
neutral and ground are connected by a buss link but I can't imagine a
stove without a neutral in the US.
In the old days stoves used a neutral and 2 hot wires. with the ground
attached to the neutral.

Dave M.

I have seen plenty of stove and other 240V wiring without a neutral. 2
hots and ground with the ground wire connected and used as a neutral.
One house I lived in built in the mid '50's had just that. The ground wire
being a few haphazard strands of bare wire in the cable and connected to
the ground bus in the panel.

New 240V wiring is required to be 4 wire. I think most stoves can be
configured to use 3 wire if needed to accommodate the older wiring.
Kevin

That's pretty much true of all ranges in the U.S., old and new. I think the
issue here, is that the OP indicates that the new unit only has 3 wires. He
calls it a "stove" which is a generic term,usually referring to a range, but
from his description, I think he is getting a cooktop, which may or may not
use a neutral, depending upon make and model

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"Scott" wrote in message
...
I'm replacing a 30-year old electric Frigidaire drop-in stove with a new
Kenwood
electric drop-in. The old stove has a 220v electrical input consisting of
a black
wire, a black wire with a red stripe, a grey wire and a ground wire. I
believe the
man at the Sears store said that new stoves have two wires, plus a ground
wire.
What's the proper way to hook up the wiring?

Thanks!
Scott
Didn't the stove come with a book to tell you the wiring requirements?
I think if there is a timer and a light or other accessories , you need 2
hots, a neutral and a ground.
Tony

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RBM wrote:

"Scott" wrote in message
...
I'm replacing a 30-year old electric Frigidaire drop-in stove with a new
Kenwood
electric drop-in. The old stove has a 220v electrical input consisting of
a black
wire, a black wire with a red stripe, a grey wire and a ground wire. I
believe the
man at the Sears store said that new stoves have two wires, plus a ground
wire.
What's the proper way to hook up the wiring?

Thanks!
Scott

Your old stove was connected to two hot legs, which were the black and black
with red tracer, a neutral which was the gray, and a ground, which was green
or bare. The new stove does not use a neutral, so cap that wire and just use
the two hot legs and the ground. Typically a stove does use both neutral and
ground, but often cooktops (unit with no oven) do not

RBM,

As it turned out, the new stove came with a black wire, a red wire, a neutral
wire, and a green wire (the ground). So we matched it up with the original
setup, and it works great!

Scott

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Don Phillipson wrote:

"Scott" wrote in message
...

I'm replacing a 30-year old electric Frigidaire drop-in stove with a new
Kenwood
electric drop-in. The old stove has a 220v electrical input consisting of
a black
wire, a black wire with a red stripe, a grey wire and a ground wire. I
believe the
man at the Sears store said that new stoves have two wires, plus a ground
wire.
What's the proper way to hook up the wiring?

If Sears wants to close the sale, it is reasonable for you
to expect unambiguous instructions in writing how to connect it.
"What the man said" is not good enough. If you have more
questions, ask Sears until you are satisfied with the answers.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

Don,

The problem is that Sears doesn't install the appliances, so I don't expect them to
have the answers about installation. The instructions that came with the range, however,
are very detailed.

Scott

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RBM wrote:

"Kevin Ricks" wrote in message
...
David L. Martel wrote:
Scott,

Are you sure that the new stove is 220v? You don't say in your post
I'd read the installation manual carefully since the sales guy lead
you to believe that there is no neutral wire. I can imagine that the
neutral and ground are connected by a buss link but I can't imagine a
stove without a neutral in the US.
In the old days stoves used a neutral and 2 hot wires. with the ground
attached to the neutral.

Dave M.

I have seen plenty of stove and other 240V wiring without a neutral. 2
hots and ground with the ground wire connected and used as a neutral.
One house I lived in built in the mid '50's had just that. The ground wire
being a few haphazard strands of bare wire in the cable and connected to
the ground bus in the panel.

New 240V wiring is required to be 4 wire. I think most stoves can be
configured to use 3 wire if needed to accommodate the older wiring.
Kevin

That's pretty much true of all ranges in the U.S., old and new. I think the
issue here, is that the OP indicates that the new unit only has 3 wires. He
calls it a "stove" which is a generic term,usually referring to a range, but
from his description, I think he is getting a cooktop, which may or may not
use a neutral, depending upon make and model


RBM,

I should have clarified. It's an electric drop-in range with standard electric
burners, with the oven below. It's interesting to note that the original 1974 wiring
to this range uses heftyof a lighter grade, I suppose to keep the cost down.

Scott

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Kevin Ricks wrote:

David L. Martel wrote:
Scott,

Are you sure that the new stove is 220v? You don't say in your post
I'd read the installation manual carefully since the sales guy lead you
to believe that there is no neutral wire. I can imagine that the neutral and
ground are connected by a buss link but I can't imagine a stove without a
neutral in the US.
In the old days stoves used a neutral and 2 hot wires. with the ground
attached to the neutral.

Dave M.



I have seen plenty of stove and other 240V wiring without a neutral. 2
hots and ground with the ground wire connected and used as a neutral.
One house I lived in built in the mid '50's had just that. The ground
wire being a few haphazard strands of bare wire in the cable and
connected to the ground bus in the panel.

New 240V wiring is required to be 4 wire. I think most stoves can be
configured to use 3 wire if needed to accommodate the older wiring.
Kevin

Kevin,

This 1970's range has two hot wires, a neutral, and a heavy duty copper ground
wire....the same as the new range, but heavier duty wire.

Scott

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"Scott" wrote in message
...


RBM wrote:

"Kevin Ricks" wrote in message
...
David L. Martel wrote:
Scott,

Are you sure that the new stove is 220v? You don't say in your post
I'd read the installation manual carefully since the sales guy lead
you to believe that there is no neutral wire. I can imagine that the
neutral and ground are connected by a buss link but I can't imagine a
stove without a neutral in the US.
In the old days stoves used a neutral and 2 hot wires. with the
ground
attached to the neutral.

Dave M.

I have seen plenty of stove and other 240V wiring without a neutral. 2
hots and ground with the ground wire connected and used as a neutral.
One house I lived in built in the mid '50's had just that. The ground
wire
being a few haphazard strands of bare wire in the cable and connected
to
the ground bus in the panel.

New 240V wiring is required to be 4 wire. I think most stoves can be
configured to use 3 wire if needed to accommodate the older wiring.
Kevin

That's pretty much true of all ranges in the U.S., old and new. I think
the
issue here, is that the OP indicates that the new unit only has 3 wires.
He
calls it a "stove" which is a generic term,usually referring to a range,
but
from his description, I think he is getting a cooktop, which may or may
not
use a neutral, depending upon make and model


RBM,

I should have clarified. It's an electric drop-in range with standard
electric
burners, with the oven below. It's interesting to note that the original
1974 wiring
to this range uses heftyof a lighter grade, I suppose to keep the cost
down.

Scott

In the U.S. , ranges will all be internally wired so they can be connected
to either a 3 or 4 wire feeder, so you can use whatever you have existing,
however all new range feeder installations must be four wire