I need a few elevators bolts in the 3 3/4" to 4" range. Every place
I've found on-line seems to carry a max length of 3". I've tried
McFeely's, Graingers, McMaster-Carr, and few other web sites.

A local Fastenal store says that can get them for me, but only in lots
of 50. At least that tells me that they exist.

Short of calling every company that lists a 3" bolt to see if they can
get longer ones, does any know of a source that I can go directly
to?

Thanks!

DerbyDad03 wrote:
I need a few elevators bolts in the 3 3/4" to 4" range. Every place
I've found on-line seems to carry a max length of 3". I've tried
McFeely's, Graingers, McMaster-Carr, and few other web sites.

A local Fastenal store says that can get them for me, but only in lots
of 50. At least that tells me that they exist.
....

Local Fastenal here says they'll get any quantity of anything (altho
I'll admit I've never tried for stuff that would likely be highly
unlikely they would sell the rest w/o too much trouble, I just picked up
a small lot order of square-head bolts...

What diameter you want? If no other fastener distributor local, no
other real ideas, sorry...

--

These folks carry a LOT of fastners and 3" appears to be the max
for them... http://www.reidsupply.com/index.aspx

DerbyDad03 wrote:
I need a few elevators bolts in the 3 3/4" to 4" range. Every place
I've found on-line seems to carry a max length of 3". I've tried
McFeely's, Graingers, McMaster-Carr, and few other web sites.

A local Fastenal store says that can get them for me, but only in lots
of 50. At least that tells me that they exist.

Short of calling every company that lists a 3" bolt to see if they can
get longer ones, does any know of a source that I can go directly
to?

Thanks!

"hi this may sound strange but how about an elevator maintenance company?
surely they could spare few



Len

DerbyDad03 wrote:
I need a few elevators bolts in the 3 3/4" to 4" range. Every place
I've found on-line seems to carry a max length of 3". I've tried
McFeely's, Graingers, McMaster-Carr, and few other web sites.

Does it need to be an elevator bolt? Would a carriage bolt work
instead? They're available in more sizes.

Chris

On Jun 5, 11:14*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:
I need a few elevators bolts in the 3 3/4" to 4" range. Every place
I've found on-line seems to carry a max length of 3". *

I'm not sure what "elevators bolts' indicates, but if
you need a long bolt, usually a nut on a length of all-thread
will do it. When the head type matters, I've also used
splice nuts- couplings for threaded rod- with Loctite.

On Jun 5, 5:41*pm, Chris Friesen wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
I need a few elevators bolts in the 3 3/4" to 4" range. Every place
I've found on-line seems to carry a max length of 3". * I've tried
McFeely's, Graingers, McMaster-Carr, and few other web sites.

Does it need to be an elevator bolt? *Would a carriage bolt work
instead? *They're available in more sizes.

Chris

Yes, it needs to be an elevator bolt. I need a flat head that can
drawn flush with the wood.

Thanks anyway.

On Jun 5, 5:55*pm, whit3rd wrote:
On Jun 5, 11:14*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:

I need a few elevators bolts in the 3 3/4" to 4" range. Every place
I've found on-line seems to carry a max length of 3". *

I'm not sure what "elevators bolts' indicates, but if
you need a long bolt, usually a nut on a length of all-thread
will do it. *When the head type matters, I've also used
splice nuts- couplings for threaded rod- with Loctite.

I'm not sure what "elevators bolts' indicates

For your viewing pleasure...

http://www.aaronscapscrews.com/ElevatorBolts.htm

DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Jun 5, 5:41 pm, Chris Friesen wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
I need a few elevators bolts in the 3 3/4" to 4" range. Every place
I've found on-line seems to carry a max length of 3". I've tried
McFeely's, Graingers, McMaster-Carr, and few other web sites.
Does it need to be an elevator bolt? Would a carriage bolt work
instead? They're available in more sizes.

Chris

Yes, it needs to be an elevator bolt. I need a flat head that can
drawn flush with the wood.

Still don't know what diameter you're looking for -- plow bolts also
have flat head but may be larger diameter than you're looking for, I
don't know.

--

On Jun 5, 7:31*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Jun 5, 5:55*pm, whit3rd wrote:

On Jun 5, 11:14*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:

I need a few elevators bolts in the 3 3/4" to 4" range. Every place
I've found on-line seems to carry a max length of 3". *

I'm not sure what "elevators bolts' indicates, but if
you need a long bolt, usually a nut on a length of all-thread
will do it. *When the head type matters, I've also used
splice nuts- couplings for threaded rod- with Loctite.

I'm not sure what "elevators bolts' indicates

For your viewing pleasure...

http://www.aaronscapscrews.com/ElevatorBolts.htm

Thanks. Looks just like a 'plow bolt'. I had never heard the term
'elevator bolt' but was too lazy to google it.

Harry K

DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Jun 5, 5:55 pm, whit3rd wrote:
On Jun 5, 11:14 am, DerbyDad03 wrote:

I need a few elevators bolts in the 3 3/4" to 4" range. Every place
I've found on-line seems to carry a max length of 3".
I'm not sure what "elevators bolts' indicates, but if
you need a long bolt, usually a nut on a length of all-thread
will do it. When the head type matters, I've also used
splice nuts- couplings for threaded rod- with Loctite.

I'm not sure what "elevators bolts' indicates

For your viewing pleasure...

http://www.aaronscapscrews.com/ElevatorBolts.htm

You might be able to find some at:
http://www.aaronscapscrews.com/ElevatorBolts.htm

maybe.

"DerbyDad03" wrote:

I need a few elevators bolts in the 3 3/4" to 4" range. Every place
I've found on-line seems to carry a max length of 3".

Have access to an engine lathe?

If so, turn an elevator bolt into an elevator nut, then add a standard
bolt to complete.

Lew

On Jun 5, 10:56*pm, dpb wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Jun 5, 5:41 pm, Chris Friesen wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
I need a few elevators bolts in the 3 3/4" to 4" range. Every place
I've found on-line seems to carry a max length of 3". * I've tried
McFeely's, Graingers, McMaster-Carr, and few other web sites.
Does it need to be an elevator bolt? *Would a carriage bolt work
instead? *They're available in more sizes.

Chris

Yes, it needs to be an elevator bolt. I need a flat head that can
drawn flush with the wood.

Still don't know what diameter you're looking for -- plow bolts also
have flat head but may be larger diameter than you're looking for, I
don't know.

--

Still don't know what diameter you're looking for

Sorry about that - they must be 5/16" - 18

On Jun 5, 11:40*pm, Woodie wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Jun 5, 5:55 pm, whit3rd wrote:
On Jun 5, 11:14 am, DerbyDad03 wrote:

I need a few elevators bolts in the 3 3/4" to 4" range. Every place
I've found on-line seems to carry a max length of 3". *
I'm not sure what "elevators bolts' indicates, but if
you need a long bolt, usually a nut on a length of all-thread
will do it. *When the head type matters, I've also used
splice nuts- couplings for threaded rod- with Loctite.

I'm not sure what "elevators bolts' indicates

For your viewing pleasure...

http://www.aaronscapscrews.com/ElevatorBolts.htm

You might be able to find some at:
http://www.aaronscapscrews.com/ElevatorBolts.htm

maybe.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's the site I used to show a picture of an elevator bolt.

They list a 3" max like so many other sites. I guess I'll have to pick
up the phone and start calling around.

On Jun 5, 11:37*pm, Harry K wrote:
On Jun 5, 7:31*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:





On Jun 5, 5:55*pm, whit3rd wrote:

On Jun 5, 11:14*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:

I need a few elevators bolts in the 3 3/4" to 4" range. Every place
I've found on-line seems to carry a max length of 3". *

I'm not sure what "elevators bolts' indicates, but if
you need a long bolt, usually a nut on a length of all-thread
will do it. *When the head type matters, I've also used
splice nuts- couplings for threaded rod- with Loctite.

I'm not sure what "elevators bolts' indicates

For your viewing pleasure...

http://www.aaronscapscrews.com/ElevatorBolts.htm

Thanks. *Looks just like a 'plow bolt'. *I had never heard the term
'elevator bolt' but was too lazy to google it.

Harry K- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Looks just like a 'plow bolt'

Thanks, but unless I'm looking at the wrong type of plow bolt, they
are not the same.

Compare the heads of the bolts in this picture. I need the flat head
to be flush with the surface when drawn tight. It looks like the plow
bolt would produce a result similiar to a carriage bolt - a bump if
the head is not drawn flush and an indentation around the head if it
is.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=20hprmt&s=3

I may just go with the 50 piece order from Fastenal. I'm sure I'll
find a use for them once I have them. Cutting a long bolt down is
easier than stretching a short one. g

On Jun 6, 5:28*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Jun 5, 11:37*pm, Harry K wrote:





On Jun 5, 7:31*pm, DerbyDad03 wrote:

On Jun 5, 5:55*pm, whit3rd wrote:

On Jun 5, 11:14*am, DerbyDad03 wrote:

I need a few elevators bolts in the 3 3/4" to 4" range. Every place
I've found on-line seems to carry a max length of 3". *

I'm not sure what "elevators bolts' indicates, but if
you need a long bolt, usually a nut on a length of all-thread
will do it. *When the head type matters, I've also used
splice nuts- couplings for threaded rod- with Loctite.

I'm not sure what "elevators bolts' indicates

For your viewing pleasure...

http://www.aaronscapscrews.com/ElevatorBolts.htm

Thanks. *Looks just like a 'plow bolt'. *I had never heard the term
'elevator bolt' but was too lazy to google it.

Harry K- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Looks just like a 'plow bolt'

Thanks, but unless I'm looking at the wrong type of plow bolt, they
are not the same.

Compare the heads of the bolts in this picture. I need the flat head
to be flush with the surface when drawn tight. It looks like the plow
bolt would produce a result similiar to a carriage bolt - a bump if
the head is not drawn flush and an indentation around the head if it
is.

http://tinypic.com/view.php?pic=20hprmt&s=3

I may just go with the 50 piece order from Fastenal. I'm sure I'll
find a use for them once I have them. Cutting a long bolt down is
easier than stretching a short one. g- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Different type of 'plow bolt' than I was familiar with. The ones I
knew bolted the plow share on. they had a flush, flat head just as
the elevator - had to be flush to keep the dirt from catching. Of
course I was wrong in that the 'plow bolt' did not have the square
under the head, they only had one 'tit' to keep them from turning.

Harry K

"DerbyDad03" wrote in message
Thanks, but unless I'm looking at the wrong type of plow bolt, they
are not the same.

Compare the heads of the bolts in this picture. I need the flat head
to be flush with the surface when drawn tight. It looks like the plow
bolt would produce a result similiar to a carriage bolt - a bump if
the head is not drawn flush and an indentation around the head if it
is.

Can you not just file or grind down the head of a carriage bolt so it's
close to what you're looking for? You could do the essentially the same to a
regular headed bolt too. If you need the thick neck that carriage bolts have
to hold it place, then you could use a fully threaded bolt and just add a
nut screwed on all the way.

On Jun 6, 9:39*am, "Upscale" wrote:
"DerbyDad03" wrote in message

Thanks, but unless I'm looking at the wrong type of plow bolt, they
are not the same.

Compare the heads of the bolts in this picture. I need the flat head
to be flush with the surface when drawn tight. It looks like the plow
bolt would produce a result similiar to a carriage bolt - a bump if
the head is not drawn flush and an indentation around the head if it
is.

Can you not just file or grind down the head of a carriage bolt so it's
close to what you're looking for? You could do the essentially the same to a
regular headed bolt too. If you need the thick neck that carriage bolts have
to hold it place, then you could use a fully threaded bolt and just add a
nut screwed on all the way.

Can you not just file or grind down the head of a carriage bolt so
it's close to what you're looking for?

The project I need these bolts for has some very strict rules about
manufacturing your own parts or modifying readily available parts. My
options for this bolt are pretty limited - carriage or elevator, by
rule. Due to air-flow issues over the surface where the bolts will be
installed, the carriage bolts would be a distant second choice.

These bolts are for a Soap Box Derby car where races are won or lost
by thousandths of a second. Every opportunity to provide as smooth a
surface as possible must be taken advantage of.

"Let up for a second and that's where you'll finish."

Harry K wrote:
....

Different type of 'plow bolt' than I was familiar with. The ones I
knew bolted the plow share on. they had a flush, flat head just as
the elevator - had to be flush to keep the dirt from catching. Of
course I was wrong in that the 'plow bolt' did not have the square
under the head, they only had one 'tit' to keep them from turning.

Right on...

Most plow bolts do have square corners -- essentially a flat-headed
carriage bolt. The one-sided version are a variation.

--

DerbyDad03 wrote:
....

The project I need these bolts for has some very strict rules about
manufacturing your own parts or modifying readily available parts. My
options for this bolt are pretty limited - carriage or elevator, by
rule. Due to air-flow issues over the surface where the bolts will be
installed, the carriage bolts would be a distant second choice.

These bolts are for a Soap Box Derby car ...

I have hard time believing there's high enough speeds involved the drag
differential would show up...

--

On Jun 6, 9:55*am, dpb wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:

...

The project I need these bolts for has some very strict rules about
manufacturing your own parts or modifying readily available parts. My
options for this bolt are pretty limited - carriage or elevator, by
rule. Due to air-flow issues over the surface where the bolts will be
installed, the carriage bolts would be a distant second choice.

These bolts are for a Soap Box Derby car ...

I have hard time believing there's high enough speeds involved the drag
differential would show up...

--

Drag differential showing up.

Our timers measure the differential between the cars crossing the
finish line to the thousandth of the second. I have seen dead heats
where the timers read 0.000. Average speeds for most tracks are 24 -
28 MPH but races are determined by the time differential between the 2
cars in a heat, not by top speed. Races are run in a 2-phase lane-
swap, wheel-swap format to ensure that the only factors are car and
driver, not a faster lane or faster wheels. The total differential
between the 2 phases is what determines the winner of the heat.

While a single bolt head might not make a full 1/1000 of a difference,
2 bolt heads might. Or maybe 1 bolt head and an axle spindle out of
alignment. Every little bit matters, and it's the sum of all the
little things that you have to be concerned with. Trust me, if you
know what you are looking for, you can see the differences between a
well built car and one that was put together per the plans but without
the attention to detail required.

Let me give you another example: When the cars are inspected prior to
the World Championship races in Akron OH, you will either get a fancy
VIP sticker on the nose of your car (meaning your car was 100% legal)
or a repair sticker that tells you what is wrong and how long you have
to fix it. These repair stickers are your standard 1" x 3" mailing
labels. Years ago, after you repaired the car, they removed the repair
sticker while VIP stickers were left on as a "badge of honor".

One team took their VIP'd car to a wind tunnel and ran a test, at
average speeds, and proved that the VIP sticker caused air turbulance
at the front of the car. In essence, Akron was causing *harm* to the
cars that were sent to Akron ready to race. Based on that test, they
now leave the repair stickers on the cars also. Like I said, every
little bit matters.

DerbyDad03 wrote:
....snip long story of precision derby cars...
which is basically why I lost interest in it even as a kid way back
when--it wasn't we kids who had anything to do w/ it...

--

On Jun 6, 11:39*am, dpb wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:

...snip long story of precision derby cars...
which is basically why I lost interest in it even as a kid way back
when--it wasn't we kids who had anything to do w/ it...

--

it wasn't we kids who had anything to do w/ it

I won't speak to how other families deal with it, but my kids are
involved in every step of the building and tuning process. As long as
it's safe, they're getting dirty right next to me. When they were
younger they watched me use the power tools and when they were old
enough they jumped right in. All along the way, they sand, wrench,
paint and do whatever is needed to build them the best car possible.

I've got pictures of my 13 YO son cutting steel rod on a miter saw and
my 14 YO daughter can use a torque wrench, belt sander, etc.. All of
my kids are familiar with the itch of fiberglass, the smell of bondo
and know what happens if you apply too much paint.

These experiences go well beyond Derby. Years after helping me build
his World Championship car, my son wanted to modify a cart he used for
his lawn mowing "business". Since he knew what could be done with
metal and the proper tools, he came to me one day and asked me to help
him make bracket to make the cart easier to tilt. If I had just put
him in a Derby car and sent him down the hill, he might never of even
had the idea of modifying his cart. Our success has also shown them
how important attention to detail is. Not only do we build winning
cars together, but we talk about how the things we see while racing
apply to all aspects of life.

This year it's back to Akron with my daughter to try for another World
Championship in a car that she has as many hours building as I do.

DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Jun 5, 11:40 pm, Woodie wrote:
I'm not sure what "elevators bolts' indicates
For your viewing pleasure...
http://www.aaronscapscrews.com/ElevatorBolts.htm
You might be able to find some at:
http://www.aaronscapscrews.com/ElevatorBolts.htm

maybe.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's the site I used to show a picture of an elevator bolt.

They list a 3" max like so many other sites. I guess I'll have to pick
up the phone and start calling around.

I know... I was just yankin' your virtual chain.
Truth is I never heard of elevator bolts until this thread. But upon
seeing the link, I realize I have seen them before.

On Jun 6, 2:10*pm, Woodie wrote:
DerbyDad03 wrote:
On Jun 5, 11:40 pm, Woodie wrote:
I'm not sure what "elevators bolts' indicates
For your viewing pleasure...
http://www.aaronscapscrews.com/ElevatorBolts.htm
You might be able to find some at:
http://www.aaronscapscrews.com/ElevatorBolts.htm

maybe.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

That's the site I used to show a picture of an elevator bolt.

They list a 3" max like so many other sites. I guess I'll have to pick
up the phone and start calling around.

I know... I was just yankin' your virtual chain.
Truth is I never heard of elevator bolts until this thread. But upon
seeing the link, I realize I have seen them before.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Consider my chain virtually yanked. g

In article 6b1951bf-b4c5-4355-8b76-cedcd19fea96
@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, says...
I need a few elevators bolts in the 3 3/4" to 4" range. Every place
I've found on-line seems to carry a max length of 3". I've tried
McFeely's, Graingers, McMaster-Carr, and few other web sites.

A local Fastenal store says that can get them for me, but only in lots
of 50. At least that tells me that they exist.

Short of calling every company that lists a 3" bolt to see if they can
get longer ones, does any know of a source that I can go directly
to?

Thanks!


Can you counterbore for the nut on the *other* end?

Henry Bibb

On Jun 7, 12:03*pm, Henry Q. Bibb
wrote:
In article 6b1951bf-b4c5-4355-8b76-cedcd19fea96
@e39g2000hsf.googlegroups.com, says...

I need a few elevators bolts in the 3 3/4" to 4" range. Every place
I've found on-line seems to carry a max length of 3". * I've tried
McFeely's, Graingers, McMaster-Carr, and few other web sites.

A local Fastenal store says that can get them for me, but only in lots
of 50. At least that tells me that they exist.

Short of calling every company that lists a 3" bolt to see if they can
get longer ones, does any know of a source that I can go directly
to?

Thanks!

Can you counterbore for the nut on the *other* end?

Henry Bibb

Can you counterbore for the nut on the *other* end?

No. Bolt needs to go through some steel plates with enough exposed
thread for a washer and nut.