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My daughter-units were using our church key to open several
bottles of soda today. Daughter-unit Alpha was really intrigued
by it -- the design, functionality, everything about it -- and
asked me why it was called a "church key." I hated to admit
it... But I didn't have an answer. Gooja didn't help narrow
down that bit of trivia.

Why is it called a church key?

Many thanks.

The Ranger

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In article ,
"The Ranger" wrote:

My daughter-units were using our church key to open several
bottles of soda today. Daughter-unit Alpha was really intrigued
by it -- the design, functionality, everything about it -- and
asked me why it was called a "church key." I hated to admit
it... But I didn't have an answer. Gooja didn't help narrow
down that bit of trivia.

Why is it called a church key?

Many thanks.

The Ranger

Yer gooja must be broken. Mine works.

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Smitty Two wrote in message
...
"Gooja didn't help narrow it down."

Yer gooja must be broken. Mine works.

It's similar to your reading comprehension. I didn't say it
was broken. I said it didn't help narrow it down.

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The Ranger wrote:
Smitty Two wrote in message
...
"Gooja didn't help narrow it down."

Yer gooja must be broken. Mine works.

It's similar to your reading comprehension. I didn't say it
was broken. I said it didn't help narrow it down.



Well I searched on origin of "church key" and got:
Results 1 - 10 of about 110,000 English pages for origin of "church key".

Try this link: http://tinyurl.com/5j3ulq which expanded is:
http://www.google.com/search?q=origi...L_enUS177US215

Lou

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In article ,
"The Ranger" wrote:

My daughter-units were using our church key to open several
bottles of soda today. Daughter-unit Alpha was really intrigued
by it -- the design, functionality, everything about it -- and
asked me why it was called a "church key." I hated to admit
it... But I didn't have an answer. Gooja didn't help narrow
down that bit of trivia.

Why is it called a church key?

Many thanks.

The Ranger

Wikipedia (you could look it up too) says:

There is sparse, and often contradictory, documentation as to the origin of
the term "Church Key", though most agree the phrase is a sarcastic euphemism,
as the opener was obviously designed to access beer, and not churches.
One explanation for the term "Church Key" lends its origin an almost mythic
significance; in Medieval Europe, monks and nobility were the only brewers.
Lagering cellars in the monasteries were locked, as the monks guarded the
secrets to their craft. The monks carried keys to these lagering cellars on
their cinch, or belt. It may have been this key from which the "Church Key"
opener got its name.

cw in mi

OT -- Church Key Origin?
 

In article ,
"The Ranger" wrote:

Smitty Two wrote in message
...
"Gooja didn't help narrow it down."

Yer gooja must be broken. Mine works.

It's similar to your reading comprehension. I didn't say it
was broken. I said it didn't help narrow it down.

I was trying to be humorously but chidingly polite. What I really meant
was, you must be an idiot. I googled church key and got plenty of
information about the term's etymology.

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cw wrote in message
...
Wikipedia (you could look it up too) says:

I have and did look at that Wikipedia page. It's been my
experience that Wikipedia isn't the end-all-be-all that most
hope. There need to be some better checks and balances put in
place to assist in _verifying_ those links of "evidence"
[supporting pages]. Until then, it should not to be trusted as
an authoritative source.

(And yes, I visited some of the links cited on that entry prior
to clicking on the Wikipedia.)

The Ranger

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The Ranger wrote:

Why is it called a church key?

Because it opens the door to a better life.

The original church key was invented in the
late 1890's to open bottles. The need to
puncture beer cans was a post-Prohibition
problem.

I have never met someone who had not lived
in the USA or Canada who knew what a church
key was - although I am certain some do.

Dick

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Smitty wrote in message
...
I was trying to be [..] polite. [..]

I wasn't [trying to be polite or humorous]. You're a legend in
your own mind.

I expected your vapidly droll noise.

The Ranger

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Dick Adams wrote in message
...
The Ranger wrote:

Why is it called a church key?

Because it opens the door to a better life.

Ah. Yes of course.

The Ranger

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On Sun 11 May 2008 08:46:38p, Smitty Two told us...

In article ,
"The Ranger" wrote:

My daughter-units were using our church key to open several
bottles of soda today. Daughter-unit Alpha was really intrigued
by it -- the design, functionality, everything about it -- and
asked me why it was called a "church key." I hated to admit
it... But I didn't have an answer. Gooja didn't help narrow
down that bit of trivia.

Why is it called a church key?

Many thanks.

The Ranger

Yer gooja must be broken. Mine works.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchkey

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Countdown till Memorial Day
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On May 11, 9:44*pm, "The Ranger" wrote:
Dick Adams wrote in message

...

The Ranger wrote:

Why is it called a church key?

Because it opens the door to a better life.

Ah. Yes of course.

The Ranger

Or at least makes it so you don't _care_ what life is like :)

Harry K

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The Ranger wrote:
Dick Adams wrote in message
...

The Ranger wrote:


Why is it called a church key?

Because it opens the door to a better life.


Ah. Yes of course.

The Ranger



Ah yes, wine contains wisdom, beer contains happyness and water contains
bacteria.

Now, which should you drink?

Jeff


PS, now that we've got that settled, who is going to be the first to
tell us (without a lookup) why the little key sized can lid opener which
has resided on my keychain these many years is called a "P38"?

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

OT -- Church Key Origin?
 

The Ranger wrote:

My daughter-units were using our church key to open several
bottles of soda today. Daughter-unit Alpha was really intrigued
by it -- the design, functionality, everything about it -- and
asked me why it was called a "church key." I hated to admit
it... But I didn't have an answer. Gooja didn't help narrow
down that bit of trivia.

Why is it called a church key?

Many thanks.

The Ranger




http://www.worldwidewords.org/qa/qa-chu2.htm

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wrote:

On Mon, 12 May 2008 12:17:03 -0400, Jeff Wisnia
wrote:


The Ranger wrote:

Dick Adams wrote in message
...


The Ranger wrote:



Why is it called a church key?

Because it opens the door to a better life.


Ah. Yes of course.

The Ranger



Ah yes, wine contains wisdom, beer contains happyness and water contains
bacteria.

Now, which should you drink?

Jeff


PS, now that we've got that settled, who is going to be the first to
tell us (without a lookup) why the little key sized can lid opener which
has resided on my keychain these many years is called a "P38"?


Has to do with the work required to use one. :')



That's right. It supposedly was the number of punches it took to work it
way around a can of WWII C-rations. Curent versions are available
through camping supply shops.

Lots more about them at:

http://www.georgia-outfitters.com/page52.shtml

Jeff



--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

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"The Ranger" wrote in message
ndwidth...
cw wrote in message
...
Wikipedia (you could look it up too) says:

I have and did look at that Wikipedia page. It's been my experience that
Wikipedia isn't the end-all-be-all that most hope. There need to be some
better checks and balances put in place to assist in _verifying_ those
links of "evidence" [supporting pages]. Until then, it should not to be
trusted as an authoritative source.

(And yes, I visited some of the links cited on that entry prior to
clicking on the Wikipedia.)

The Ranger

Maybe so, but the basically informative information that can be had with a
few keystrokes is exponentially ahead of some of the webtvers and cerebrally
impaired here. They were not checking on nuclear fusion.

Steve

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On Mon, 12 May 2008 00:01:59 -0400, cw wrote:

In article ,
"The Ranger" wrote:

My daughter-units were using our church key to open several
bottles of soda today. Daughter-unit Alpha was really intrigued
by it -- the design, functionality, everything about it -- and
asked me why it was called a "church key." I hated to admit
it... But I didn't have an answer. Gooja didn't help narrow
down that bit of trivia.

Why is it called a church key?

Many thanks.

The Ranger

Wikipedia (you could look it up too) says:

There is sparse, and often contradictory, documentation as to the origin of
the term "Church Key", though most agree the phrase is a sarcastic euphemism,
as the opener was obviously designed to access beer, and not churches.
One explanation for the term "Church Key" lends its origin an almost mythic
significance; in Medieval Europe, monks and nobility were the only brewers.
Lagering cellars in the monasteries were locked, as the monks guarded the
secrets to their craft. The monks carried keys to these lagering cellars on
their cinch, or belt. It may have been this key from which the "Church Key"
opener got its name.

cw in mi

Thank You !!!!
Bout time someone actually answered the question without name calling
and/or being an asshole. I remember when the newsgroups were the ONLY
source of information and people were much more helpful and less
nasty. That was before the web existed. After wasting my time
reading numerous name calling posts which took longer to type than to
simply answer the damn question, we finally got an answer. Sure, we
can all spend hours searching the web for answers, and reading reams
and reams of useless trash, but my time is more valuable than that.
If i was doing a research paper, the web is great, but for a simple
answer to a simple question, there is usenet. It irritates me to no
end when people answer questions on newsgroups by telling the asker to
use google, or posting a pile of web urls. When I come to usenet, I
came to usenet because that's what usenet is about. A place where
people share information. It's too bad the new generation can not
realize that, and just use the newsgroups to be rude and nasty. I did
add a few more names to my killfiles as a result of this thread.

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On Mon, 12 May 2008 13:04:13 -0400, Jeff Wisnia
wrote:

I used one almost daily for a yr '69-'70, but I never heard them
called P-38s until I met my wife in the 1980's.

We called them John Waynes in the Marines- and I always thought that
it was just because we used 'John Wayne' almost as often as f***.
'John Wayne this. . .John Wayne that. . . f** the john wayne M'F'ers
.. . ., etc '

But I see there was actually some history there-

-snip-
Lots more about them at:

http://www.georgia-outfitters.com/page52.shtml

From that page-
"It is also known by many as a "John Wayne" especially those in the
Navy and Marines because in a WWII training film he was opening a can
of C-Rations using a P-38, from then on Marines or Sailors started
referring to them as a "John Wayne"."

Didn't see the film- but now I know the history.

Thanks-
Jim

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Jeff Wisnia wrote:

Ah yes, wine contains wisdom, beer contains happiness,
and water contains bacteria.

Now, which should you drink?

Bourbon - it deadens both physical and emotional pain.

PS, now that we've got that settled, who is going
to be the first to tell us (without a lookup) why
the little key sized can lid opener which has
resided on my keychain these many years is called
a "P38"?

My uncle who told me a "church key" opened the door
to a better life also gave me a "P38". It's a
military issue can opener in case you get hungery
between beers.

Dick

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On Mon, 12 May 2008 13:19:41 -0400, wrote:

You may have a little problem with carrying
one on your keychain in an airport.

My P 38 makes it through security every time. They never seem to pick
up the key ring for a closer look.

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On May 12, 12:43*pm, wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2008 12:38:13 -0500, wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2008 00:01:59 -0400, cw wrote:

In article ,
"The Ranger" wrote:

My daughter-units were using our church key to open several
bottles of soda today. Daughter-unit Alpha was really intrigued
by it -- the design, functionality, everything about it -- and
asked me why it was called a "church key." I hated to admit
it... But I didn't have an answer. Gooja didn't help narrow
down that bit of trivia.

Why is it called a church key?

Many thanks.

The Ranger

Wikipedia (you could look it up too) says:

There is sparse, and often contradictory, documentation as to the origin of
the term "Church Key", though most agree the phrase is a sarcastic euphemism,
as the opener was obviously designed to access beer, and not churches.
One explanation for the term "Church Key" lends its origin an almost mythic
significance; in Medieval Europe, monks and nobility were the only brewers.
Lagering cellars in the monasteries were locked, as the monks guarded the
secrets to their craft. The monks carried keys to these lagering cellars on
their cinch, or belt. It may have been this key from which the "Church Key"
opener got its name.

cw in mi

Thank You !!!!
Bout time someone actually answered the question without name calling
and/or being an asshole. *I remember when the newsgroups were the ONLY
source of information and people were much more helpful and less
nasty. *That was before the web existed. *After wasting my time
reading numerous name calling posts which took longer to type than to
simply answer the damn question, we finally got an answer. *Sure, we
can all spend hours searching the web for answers, and reading reams
and reams of useless trash, but my time is more valuable than that.
If i was doing a research paper, the web is great, but for a simple
answer to a simple question, there is usenet. *It irritates me to no
end when people answer questions on newsgroups by telling the asker to
use google, or posting a pile of web urls. *When I come to usenet, I
came to usenet because that's what usenet is about. *A place where
people share information. *It's too bad the new generation can not
realize that, and just use the newsgroups to be rude and nasty. *I did
add a few more names to my killfiles as a result of this thread.

What a ****ing crybaby! Go Away.

Didn't your mama tell you that gratuitous nastiness to strangers is a
sign of immaturity?

'plonk'

Joe

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In article ,
wrote:



Thank You !!!!
Bout time someone actually answered the question without name calling
and/or being an asshole. I remember when the newsgroups were the ONLY
source of information and people were much more helpful and less
nasty. That was before the web existed. After wasting my time
reading numerous name calling posts which took longer to type than to
simply answer the damn question, we finally got an answer. Sure, we
can all spend hours searching the web for answers, and reading reams
and reams of useless trash, but my time is more valuable than that.
If i was doing a research paper, the web is great, but for a simple
answer to a simple question, there is usenet. It irritates me to no
end when people answer questions on newsgroups by telling the asker to
use google, or posting a pile of web urls. When I come to usenet, I
came to usenet because that's what usenet is about. A place where
people share information. It's too bad the new generation can not
realize that, and just use the newsgroups to be rude and nasty. I did
add a few more names to my killfiles as a result of this thread.

Whose ****ing sock puppet are you? This is your first post in three
years and you're preaching manners and bragging about being too stupid
and lazy to use Google? Go back to your tickling group.

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Whose ****ing sock puppet are you? This is your
first post in three years and you're preaching
manners and bragging about being too stupid and
lazy to use Google? Go back to your tickling group.

Google is a haven for spammers and other HUE-MON trash
so I use Altavista and Yahoo. Let's have a round of
applauds for everyone who refuses to use Google.

Now for that child of a lesser god and his need
to call someone he never met a sock puppet, open
you prayer book to page 1369 - The Hymm for an
Unlucky C0c%$uc%er - and sing along with me.
Hymm, Hymm, p!$$ on him.

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Dick Adams wrote:



Google is a haven for spammers and other HUE-MON trash
so I use Altavista and Yahoo. Let's have a round of
applauds for everyone who refuses to use Google.

I've started using Yahoo and dropped Google from my search engine lists.


--
"You can lead them to LINUX
but you can't make them THINK"
Running Mandriva release 2008.0 free-i586 using KDE on i586

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In article ,
(Dick Adams) wrote:

Whose ****ing sock puppet are you? This is your
first post in three years and you're preaching
manners and bragging about being too stupid and
lazy to use Google? Go back to your tickling group.

Google is a haven for spammers and other HUE-MON trash
so I use Altavista and Yahoo. Let's have a round of
applauds for everyone who refuses to use Google.

Now for that child of a lesser god and his need
to call someone he never met a sock puppet, open
you prayer book to page 1369 - The Hymm for an
Unlucky C0c%$uc%er - and sing along with me.
Hymm, Hymm, p!$$ on him.

It's hymn, Dick. And boycotting google while wearing a catholic school
girl outfit in the evening won't get you into heaven.

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In article , "The Ranger" wrote:
Smitty wrote in message
...
I was trying to be [..] polite. [..]

I wasn't [trying to be polite or humorous]. You're a legend in
your own mind.

I expected your vapidly droll noise.

Be that as it may, he's right.

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In article , wrote:

Thank You !!!!
Bout time someone actually answered the question without name calling
and/or being an asshole. I remember when the newsgroups were the ONLY
source of information and people were much more helpful and less
nasty. That was before the web existed. After wasting my time
reading numerous name calling posts which took longer to type than to
simply answer the damn question, we finally got an answer. Sure, we
can all spend hours searching the web for answers, and reading reams
and reams of useless trash, but my time is more valuable than that.

In other words ... your time is too valuable to spend digging out answers to
your own damn questions -- so valuable that other people should do your
research for you. Instantly. At no charge.

"About time!" "...wasting my time..." "...finally got an answer" "my time is
more valuable than that"

You gotta lotta nerve, pal, calling *other* people assholes.

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Doug Miller wrote in message
...
[major snippage]
Be that as it may, he's right.

Be that as it may, he wasn't right, humorous, or polite.

The Ranger

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Smitty Two wrote in message
...
[snip]
Whose ****ing sock puppet are you? [..]

Yep; Smitty's right as rain. SOP for the SOB.

The Ranger

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On May 12, 10:38*am, wrote:
On Mon, 12 May 2008 00:01:59 -0400, cw wrote:
In article ,
"The Ranger" wrote:

My daughter-units were using our church key to open several
bottles of soda today. Daughter-unit Alpha was really intrigued
by it -- the design, functionality, everything about it -- and
asked me why it was called a "church key." I hated to admit
it... But I didn't have an answer. Gooja didn't help narrow
down that bit of trivia.

Why is it called a church key?

Many thanks.

The Ranger

Wikipedia (you could look it up too) says:

There is sparse, and often contradictory, documentation as to the origin of
the term "Church Key", though most agree the phrase is a sarcastic euphemism,
as the opener was obviously designed to access beer, and not churches.
One explanation for the term "Church Key" lends its origin an almost mythic
significance; in Medieval Europe, monks and nobility were the only brewers.
Lagering cellars in the monasteries were locked, as the monks guarded the
secrets to their craft. The monks carried keys to these lagering cellars on
their cinch, or belt. It may have been this key from which the "Church Key"
opener got its name.

cw in mi

Thank You !!!!
Bout time someone actually answered the question without name calling
and/or being an asshole. *I remember when the newsgroups were the ONLY
source of information and people were much more helpful and less
nasty. *That was before the web existed. *After wasting my time
reading numerous name calling posts which took longer to type than to
simply answer the damn question, we finally got an answer. *Sure, we
can all spend hours searching the web for answers, and reading reams
and reams of useless trash, but my time is more valuable than that.
If i was doing a research paper, the web is great, but for a simple
answer to a simple question, there is usenet. *It irritates me to no
end when people answer questions on newsgroups by telling the asker to
use google, or posting a pile of web urls. *When I come to usenet, I
came to usenet because that's what usenet is about. *A place where
people share information. *It's too bad the new generation can not
realize that, and just use the newsgroups to be rude and nasty. *I did
add a few more names to my killfiles as a result of this thread.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

So your time is more valuable that the rest of the world? _Someone_
took _his_ valuable time to do a search on the net to provide _you_
with the answer.

Do you see a problem there?

Harry K

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On May 12, 11:53*pm, Smitty Two wrote:
In article ,





wrote:

Thank You !!!!
Bout time someone actually answered the question without name calling
and/or being an asshole. *I remember when the newsgroups were the ONLY
source of information and people were much more helpful and less
nasty. *That was before the web existed. *After wasting my time
reading numerous name calling posts which took longer to type than to
simply answer the damn question, we finally got an answer. *Sure, we
can all spend hours searching the web for answers, and reading reams
and reams of useless trash, but my time is more valuable than that.
If i was doing a research paper, the web is great, but for a simple
answer to a simple question, there is usenet. *It irritates me to no
end when people answer questions on newsgroups by telling the asker to
use google, or posting a pile of web urls. *When I come to usenet, I
came to usenet because that's what usenet is about. *A place where
people share information. *It's too bad the new generation can not
realize that, and just use the newsgroups to be rude and nasty. *I did
add a few more names to my killfiles as a result of this thread.

Whose ****ing sock puppet are you? This is your first post in three
years and you're preaching manners and bragging about being too stupid
and lazy to use Google? Go back to your tickling group.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

*** **** OFF AND DIE ASSHOLE ***