Hi,

I'm sure that I just got poked in the no-no spot. SWMBO brought home
some trout today and informed me that we would be grilling it later,
would I please pick up a new propane tank? After visiting two
Orange-Colored Stores and filling myself with the usual loathing and
hatred of my fellow man (not even determining if they did, in fact, sell
propane, as I wasn't able to accomplish my initial goal of finding some
new watering cans, and wasn't able to find a sales associate to assist
me - even after waiting at the service desk of the second store for a
good ten minutes) I finally gave up and drove into Arlington to a small
hardware store that I knew sold propane. I wanted to purchase a new
tank, as I had only one and it was almost empty, I figured if I had two
tanks then I wouldn't ever have to worry about running out and would
also be able to get full use out of them and not have to return a tank
with useful gas left in it for fear of running out mid-grill.

Well, first I was informed that the "quick disconnect" connector on my
old tank was obsolete, so I could either get on a waiting list that they
would call when they finally got some tanks in with quick disconnects,
or else buy a new regulator/hose assembly for $20-something. So I
bought the hose, because I figured if there was a waiting list now and
the connector was obsolete, the situation was only going to get worse in
the future. I didn't even ask how much the new tank was... it was
*SEVENTY-FIVE DOLLARS!* Well, being the sort of guy that appreciates a
good grilled trout, and not knowing anywhere else likely to be open on a
Sunday that sold propane, I bought it, but I still feel vaguely violated.

So the question is kind of a two-parter. First, is it possible to
convert an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas as
delivered to one's house? If so, is it legal to pipe the gas outside
the house, e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the deck, so that
I could hook up my grill to it?

thanks,

nate

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Nate Nagel wrote:
Hi,

I'm sure that I just got poked in the no-no spot. SWMBO brought home
some trout today and informed me that we would be grilling it later,
would I please pick up a new propane tank? After visiting two
Orange-Colored Stores and filling myself with the usual loathing and
hatred of my fellow man (not even determining if they did, in fact,
sell propane, as I wasn't able to accomplish my initial goal of
finding some new watering cans, and wasn't able to find a sales
associate to assist me - even after waiting at the service desk of
the second store for a good ten minutes) I finally gave up and drove
into Arlington to a small hardware store that I knew sold propane. I
wanted to purchase a new tank, as I had only one and it was almost
empty, I figured if I had two tanks then I wouldn't ever have to
worry about running out and would also be able to get full use out of
them and not have to return a tank with useful gas left in it for
fear of running out mid-grill.
Well, first I was informed that the "quick disconnect" connector on my
old tank was obsolete, so I could either get on a waiting list that
they would call when they finally got some tanks in with quick
disconnects, or else buy a new regulator/hose assembly for
$20-something. So I bought the hose, because I figured if there was
a waiting list now and the connector was obsolete, the situation was
only going to get worse in the future. I didn't even ask how much
the new tank was... it was *SEVENTY-FIVE DOLLARS!* Well, being the
sort of guy that appreciates a good grilled trout, and not knowing
anywhere else likely to be open on a Sunday that sold propane, I
bought it, but I still feel vaguely violated.
So the question is kind of a two-parter. First, is it possible to
convert an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas as
delivered to one's house? If so, is it legal to pipe the gas outside
the house, e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the deck, so
that I could hook up my grill to it?


I look forward to the responses to this! Here in the UK, Nanny State Police
would find so many ways to stop this plan, that you would never even
consider it!

Clot wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

Hi,

I'm sure that I just got poked in the no-no spot. SWMBO brought home
some trout today and informed me that we would be grilling it later,
would I please pick up a new propane tank? After visiting two
Orange-Colored Stores and filling myself with the usual loathing and
hatred of my fellow man (not even determining if they did, in fact,
sell propane, as I wasn't able to accomplish my initial goal of
finding some new watering cans, and wasn't able to find a sales
associate to assist me - even after waiting at the service desk of
the second store for a good ten minutes) I finally gave up and drove
into Arlington to a small hardware store that I knew sold propane. I
wanted to purchase a new tank, as I had only one and it was almost
empty, I figured if I had two tanks then I wouldn't ever have to
worry about running out and would also be able to get full use out of
them and not have to return a tank with useful gas left in it for
fear of running out mid-grill.
Well, first I was informed that the "quick disconnect" connector on my
old tank was obsolete, so I could either get on a waiting list that
they would call when they finally got some tanks in with quick
disconnects, or else buy a new regulator/hose assembly for
$20-something. So I bought the hose, because I figured if there was
a waiting list now and the connector was obsolete, the situation was
only going to get worse in the future. I didn't even ask how much
the new tank was... it was *SEVENTY-FIVE DOLLARS!* Well, being the
sort of guy that appreciates a good grilled trout, and not knowing
anywhere else likely to be open on a Sunday that sold propane, I
bought it, but I still feel vaguely violated.
So the question is kind of a two-parter. First, is it possible to
convert an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas as
delivered to one's house? If so, is it legal to pipe the gas outside
the house, e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the deck, so
that I could hook up my grill to it?



I look forward to the responses to this! Here in the UK, Nanny State Police
would find so many ways to stop this plan, that you would never even
consider it!


I'm kind of suspecting that there's a Bad Idea somewhere in there, I
just don't know exactly what it is yet. If it can be overcome, however,
that would be a big savings because AFAIK an empty new tank is only
about $25 meaning a refill at this store would have been about $50.
That's a lot of dough! My monthly gas bill for everything - heating,
water heater, stove, dryer, etc. - has never been over $200, ever.

nate


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Well the best answers likely are;

1) Call Weber and see what they say, or go to their web site.
and
2) Call your local gas company to see what their rules are.

But if I understand correctly you cannot use natural gas in a propane grill.
You would need a conversion kit of some kind.

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
Hi,

I'm sure that I just got poked in the no-no spot. SWMBO brought home some
trout today and informed me that we would be grilling it later, would I
please pick up a new propane tank? After visiting two Orange-Colored
Stores and filling myself with the usual loathing and hatred of my fellow
man (not even determining if they did, in fact, sell propane, as I wasn't
able to accomplish my initial goal of finding some new watering cans, and
wasn't able to find a sales associate to assist me - even after waiting at
the service desk of the second store for a good ten minutes) I finally
gave up and drove into Arlington to a small hardware store that I knew
sold propane. I wanted to purchase a new tank, as I had only one and it
was almost empty, I figured if I had two tanks then I wouldn't ever have
to worry about running out and would also be able to get full use out of
them and not have to return a tank with useful gas left in it for fear of
running out mid-grill.

Well, first I was informed that the "quick disconnect" connector on my old
tank was obsolete, so I could either get on a waiting list that they would
call when they finally got some tanks in with quick disconnects, or else
buy a new regulator/hose assembly for $20-something. So I bought the
hose, because I figured if there was a waiting list now and the connector
was obsolete, the situation was only going to get worse in the future. I
didn't even ask how much the new tank was... it was *SEVENTY-FIVE
DOLLARS!* Well, being the sort of guy that appreciates a good grilled
trout, and not knowing anywhere else likely to be open on a Sunday that
sold propane, I bought it, but I still feel vaguely violated.

So the question is kind of a two-parter. First, is it possible to convert
an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas as delivered
to one's house? If so, is it legal to pipe the gas outside the house,
e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the deck, so that I could hook
up my grill to it?

thanks,

nate

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I figured that there would be a conversion kit involved, I guess my real
question was more along the lines of which code governs residential gas
delivery piping and what does it say about having an outdoor connection
for portable appliances?

nate

Doug Brown wrote:
Well the best answers likely are;

1) Call Weber and see what they say, or go to their web site.
and
2) Call your local gas company to see what their rules are.

But if I understand correctly you cannot use natural gas in a propane grill.
You would need a conversion kit of some kind.

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...

Hi,

I'm sure that I just got poked in the no-no spot. SWMBO brought home some
trout today and informed me that we would be grilling it later, would I
please pick up a new propane tank? After visiting two Orange-Colored
Stores and filling myself with the usual loathing and hatred of my fellow
man (not even determining if they did, in fact, sell propane, as I wasn't
able to accomplish my initial goal of finding some new watering cans, and
wasn't able to find a sales associate to assist me - even after waiting at
the service desk of the second store for a good ten minutes) I finally
gave up and drove into Arlington to a small hardware store that I knew
sold propane. I wanted to purchase a new tank, as I had only one and it
was almost empty, I figured if I had two tanks then I wouldn't ever have
to worry about running out and would also be able to get full use out of
them and not have to return a tank with useful gas left in it for fear of
running out mid-grill.

Well, first I was informed that the "quick disconnect" connector on my old
tank was obsolete, so I could either get on a waiting list that they would
call when they finally got some tanks in with quick disconnects, or else
buy a new regulator/hose assembly for $20-something. So I bought the
hose, because I figured if there was a waiting list now and the connector
was obsolete, the situation was only going to get worse in the future. I
didn't even ask how much the new tank was... it was *SEVENTY-FIVE
DOLLARS!* Well, being the sort of guy that appreciates a good grilled
trout, and not knowing anywhere else likely to be open on a Sunday that
sold propane, I bought it, but I still feel vaguely violated.

So the question is kind of a two-parter. First, is it possible to convert
an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas as delivered
to one's house? If so, is it legal to pipe the gas outside the house,
e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the deck, so that I could hook
up my grill to it?

thanks,

nate

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Nate Nagel wrote:
Clot wrote:
Nate Nagel wrote:

Hi,

I'm sure that I just got poked in the no-no spot. SWMBO brought
home some trout today and informed me that we would be grilling it
later, would I please pick up a new propane tank? After visiting
two Orange-Colored Stores and filling myself with the usual
loathing and hatred of my fellow man (not even determining if they
did, in fact, sell propane, as I wasn't able to accomplish my
initial goal of finding some new watering cans, and wasn't able to
find a sales associate to assist me - even after waiting at the
service desk of the second store for a good ten minutes) I finally
gave up and drove into Arlington to a small hardware store that I
knew sold propane. I wanted to purchase a new tank, as I had only
one and it was almost empty, I figured if I had two tanks then I
wouldn't ever have to worry about running out and would also be
able to get full use out of them and not have to return a tank with
useful gas left in it for fear of running out mid-grill.
Well, first I was informed that the "quick disconnect" connector on
my old tank was obsolete, so I could either get on a waiting list
that they would call when they finally got some tanks in with quick
disconnects, or else buy a new regulator/hose assembly for
$20-something. So I bought the hose, because I figured if there was
a waiting list now and the connector was obsolete, the situation was
only going to get worse in the future. I didn't even ask how much
the new tank was... it was *SEVENTY-FIVE DOLLARS!* Well, being the
sort of guy that appreciates a good grilled trout, and not knowing
anywhere else likely to be open on a Sunday that sold propane, I
bought it, but I still feel vaguely violated.
So the question is kind of a two-parter. First, is it possible to
convert an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas
as delivered to one's house? If so, is it legal to pipe the gas
outside the house, e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the
deck, so that I could hook up my grill to it?



I look forward to the responses to this! Here in the UK, Nanny State
Police would find so many ways to stop this plan, that you would
never even consider it!


I'm kind of suspecting that there's a Bad Idea somewhere in there, I
just don't know exactly what it is yet. If it can be overcome,
however, that would be a big savings because AFAIK an empty new tank
is only about $25 meaning a refill at this store would have been
about $50. That's a lot of dough! My monthly gas bill for everything
- heating, water heater, stove, dryer, etc. - has never been over
$200, ever.


I'm guessing, but you are talking about circa 50lb. gas tanks? We have a
similar arrangement over here. I have 3 gas tanks - one propane and two
butane that I use rarely. One Butane is used say 0 to 15 times a year for
the BBQ and the others once a year for a local Lions Club MayDay Carnival -
which is tomorrow!

Pre- planning is a good thing! I got hold of the 2 Burcos (large water
boilers), cleaned them, sterilised the contents by boiling, but in the
process found that the propane tank was empty! No problem, the two butane
have enough gas, *ugger, where's the valve? Nicked the one from my BBQ.
Changing that valve reduced my personal energy significantly!

Doug@s comment re the technical issue is right, you'll need different jets.

"Steve" wrote in message
.128...
Nate Nagel wrote in
:

Hi,

I'm sure that I just got poked in the no-no spot. SWMBO brought home
some trout today and informed me that we would be grilling it later,
would I please pick up a new propane tank? After visiting two
Orange-Colored Stores and filling myself with the usual loathing and
hatred of my fellow man (not even determining if they did, in fact,
sell propane, as I wasn't able to accomplish my initial goal of
finding some new watering cans, and wasn't able to find a sales
associate to assist me - even after waiting at the service desk of
the second store for a good ten minutes) I finally gave up and drove
into Arlington to a small hardware store that I knew sold propane. I
wanted to purchase a new tank, as I had only one and it was almost
empty, I figured if I had two tanks then I wouldn't ever have to
worry about running out and would also be able to get full use out of
them and not have to return a tank with useful gas left in it for
fear of running out mid-grill.

Is that Arlington, TX?

Well, first I was informed that the "quick disconnect" connector on
my old tank was obsolete, so I could either get on a waiting list
that they would call when they finally got some tanks in with quick
disconnects, or else buy a new regulator/hose assembly for
$20-something. So I bought the hose, because I figured if there was
a waiting list now and the connector was obsolete, the situation was
only going to get worse in the future. I didn't even ask how much
the new tank was... it was *SEVENTY-FIVE DOLLARS!* Well, being the
sort of guy that appreciates a good grilled trout, and not knowing
anywhere else likely to be open on a Sunday that sold propane, I
bought it, but I still feel vaguely violated.

So the question is kind of a two-parter. First, is it possible to
convert an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas
as delivered to one's house?

Yes. You'll have to replace the orifice with one designed for natural
gas.

If so, is it legal to pipe the gas
outside the house, e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the
deck, so that I could hook up my grill to it?

Yes. You'll need an actual plumber, at least in North Texas. The gas
company will cut off your gas, the new work will be done, and the gas
company will do an inspection before they turn the gas back on. You
might be able to get away with doing it yourself, but if you mess up,
your insurance company probably won't cover it. If you hire a plumber,
his insurance takes over.
--
Steve B.
New Life Home Improvement




I will second the answers that Steve gave with the exceptions that here it
is legal for the homeowner to do it in their personal residence.

The big gottcha is finding the proper orifice and you must have an internal
and external shutoff here.

On May 4, 3:15 pm, Nate Nagel wrote:

First, is it possible to
convert an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas as
delivered to one's house?

Dunno, but if they sell a conversion kit it isn't likely to be cheap.
Our NG Weber ain't nothin' fancy and it was ~$1K.

If so, is it legal to pipe the gas outside
the house, e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the deck, so that
I could hook up my grill to it?

I would assume so, since it is here. Our pool heater runs on NG as
well, all piped from the house.
-----

- gpsman

Colbyt wrote:
"Steve" wrote in message
.128...

Nate Nagel wrote in
:


Hi,

I'm sure that I just got poked in the no-no spot. SWMBO brought home
some trout today and informed me that we would be grilling it later,
would I please pick up a new propane tank? After visiting two
Orange-Colored Stores and filling myself with the usual loathing and
hatred of my fellow man (not even determining if they did, in fact,
sell propane, as I wasn't able to accomplish my initial goal of
finding some new watering cans, and wasn't able to find a sales
associate to assist me - even after waiting at the service desk of
the second store for a good ten minutes) I finally gave up and drove
into Arlington to a small hardware store that I knew sold propane. I
wanted to purchase a new tank, as I had only one and it was almost
empty, I figured if I had two tanks then I wouldn't ever have to
worry about running out and would also be able to get full use out of
them and not have to return a tank with useful gas left in it for
fear of running out mid-grill.

Is that Arlington, TX?


Well, first I was informed that the "quick disconnect" connector on
my old tank was obsolete, so I could either get on a waiting list
that they would call when they finally got some tanks in with quick
disconnects, or else buy a new regulator/hose assembly for
$20-something. So I bought the hose, because I figured if there was
a waiting list now and the connector was obsolete, the situation was
only going to get worse in the future. I didn't even ask how much
the new tank was... it was *SEVENTY-FIVE DOLLARS!* Well, being the
sort of guy that appreciates a good grilled trout, and not knowing
anywhere else likely to be open on a Sunday that sold propane, I
bought it, but I still feel vaguely violated.

So the question is kind of a two-parter. First, is it possible to
convert an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas
as delivered to one's house?

Yes. You'll have to replace the orifice with one designed for natural
gas.


If so, is it legal to pipe the gas
outside the house, e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the
deck, so that I could hook up my grill to it?

Yes. You'll need an actual plumber, at least in North Texas. The gas
company will cut off your gas, the new work will be done, and the gas
company will do an inspection before they turn the gas back on. You
might be able to get away with doing it yourself, but if you mess up,
your insurance company probably won't cover it. If you hire a plumber,
his insurance takes over.
--
Steve B.
New Life Home Improvement





I will second the answers that Steve gave with the exceptions that here it
is legal for the homeowner to do it in their personal residence.

The big gottcha is finding the proper orifice and you must have an internal
and external shutoff here.


To answer a couple questions in one post, I'm talking about Arlington,
VA, and the tank in question that I spent so much money on is not a 50
lb deal but a standard 17 lb propane tank, hence my suspicion that the
pricing is significantly higher than I'd spend if I simply used regular
natural gas.

nate


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Nate Nagel wrote in
:

Hi,

I'm sure that I just got poked in the no-no spot. SWMBO brought home
some trout today and informed me that we would be grilling it later,
would I please pick up a new propane tank? After visiting two
Orange-Colored Stores and filling myself with the usual loathing and
hatred of my fellow man (not even determining if they did, in fact, sell
propane, as I wasn't able to accomplish my initial goal of finding some
new watering cans, and wasn't able to find a sales associate to assist
me - even after waiting at the service desk of the second store for a
good ten minutes) I finally gave up and drove into Arlington to a small
hardware store that I knew sold propane. I wanted to purchase a new
tank, as I had only one and it was almost empty, I figured if I had two
tanks then I wouldn't ever have to worry about running out and would
also be able to get full use out of them and not have to return a tank
with useful gas left in it for fear of running out mid-grill.

Well, first I was informed that the "quick disconnect" connector on my
old tank was obsolete, so I could either get on a waiting list that they
would call when they finally got some tanks in with quick disconnects,
or else buy a new regulator/hose assembly for $20-something. So I
bought the hose, because I figured if there was a waiting list now and
the connector was obsolete, the situation was only going to get worse in
the future. I didn't even ask how much the new tank was... it was
*SEVENTY-FIVE DOLLARS!* Well, being the sort of guy that appreciates a
good grilled trout, and not knowing anywhere else likely to be open on a
Sunday that sold propane, I bought it, but I still feel vaguely violated.

So the question is kind of a two-parter. First, is it possible to
convert an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas as
delivered to one's house? If so, is it legal to pipe the gas outside
the house, e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the deck, so that
I could hook up my grill to it?

thanks,

nate


here in FL,it's cheapest to go to an ACE Hardware store to get a
propane grill tank filled.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
To answer a couple questions in one post, I'm talking about Arlington, VA,
and the tank in question that I spent so much money on is not a 50 lb deal
but a standard 17 lb propane tank, hence my suspicion that the pricing is
significantly higher than I'd spend if I simply used regular natural gas.

nate


Those are 20 pound tanks and only the rip-off "exchange" places put 17
pounds in them. BlueRhino for one will even give you a tank that can not be
refilled elsewhere. Sounds like "restraint of trade" to me but I just vote
with my pocketbook by not buying their product.

If you can run your own line or have it done cheaply the NG will be far
cheaper. Propane heat costs more here (KY) than electric does.

Ducane makes a convertible grill. Whether yours is or not can only be
answered by the MFG.


--
Colbyt
Please come visit www.househomerepair.com

"Colbyt" wrote:

BlueRhino for one will even give you a tank that can not be
refilled elsewhere.

How do they enforce that? It's been a few years since I was forced to use them,
but the last time I exchanged a tank it had the same valve as a standard tank
and they plastered the "You Own It" banner all over the tank.

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
Hi,

I'm sure that I just got poked in the no-no spot. SWMBO brought home some
trout today and informed me that we would be grilling it later, would I
please pick up a new propane tank? After visiting two Orange-Colored
Stores and filling myself with the usual loathing and hatred of my fellow
man (not even determining if they did, in fact, sell propane, as I wasn't
able to accomplish my initial goal of finding some new watering cans, and
wasn't able to find a sales associate to assist me - even after waiting at
the service desk of the second store for a good ten minutes) I finally
gave up and drove into Arlington to a small hardware store that I knew
sold propane. I wanted to purchase a new tank, as I had only one and it
was almost empty, I figured if I had two tanks then I wouldn't ever have
to worry about running out and would also be able to get full use out of
them and not have to return a tank with useful gas left in it for fear of
running out mid-grill.

Well, first I was informed that the "quick disconnect" connector on my old
tank was obsolete, so I could either get on a waiting list that they would
call when they finally got some tanks in with quick disconnects, or else
buy a new regulator/hose assembly for $20-something. So I bought the
hose, because I figured if there was a waiting list now and the connector
was obsolete, the situation was only going to get worse in the future. I
didn't even ask how much the new tank was... it was *SEVENTY-FIVE
DOLLARS!* Well, being the sort of guy that appreciates a good grilled
trout, and not knowing anywhere else likely to be open on a Sunday that
sold propane, I bought it, but I still feel vaguely violated.

So the question is kind of a two-parter. First, is it possible to convert
an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas as delivered
to one's house? If so, is it legal to pipe the gas outside the house,
e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the deck, so that I could hook
up my grill to it?

thanks,

nate

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While you may have to get a different valve in the grill, it should be
fine.

I have an old Charmglow grill hooked up to city gas. When the
development I am in was built some 40 years ago, the builder installed these
grills outside every house. I have replaced every part of the grill over
time except for the housing. It is possible that the grill valve is a
special type and since I only replaced it once, I simply used whatever valve
the manufacturer called for. We have a shutoff valve in the basement just
for the line going to the grill but other than that, it is really a straight
forward hookup. It's nice not to have to deal with propane tanks and such.
The downside is that you can not move the grill if the wind so dictates.

Good Luck.

..{snip}
So the question is kind of a two-parter. First, is it possible to
convert an old Weber propane grill to safely operate on natural gas as
delivered to one's house? If so, is it legal to pipe the gas outside
the house, e.g. to a connection on an outside wall on the deck, so that
I could hook up my grill to it?

nate

In South-East Michigan--

My outdoor grill powered by Nat. Gas, has a splitter at the outside gas
meter (after the meter of course), a shut off valve and then some buried
copper gas line to the back yard and then up into the support column for
the grill. The maker of the Grill, sells two types of burners and flame
control valves for the basic model of grill: One for Nat Gas, the other
for propane.

Propane is hotter, and burns with out all the water in the fuel. Propane
is much closer to the heat generated by hardwood charcoal. My grill's
Nat Gas burner is, IMHO, a slower and cooler cooking grill than a equal
sized propane burner. Slower, more control, and gets the job done but
nix the charred burned outside and raw 'still got the Moo' inside.

BTW: the support column is encased in a deep concrete footing. The thin
concrete stones I use for a backyard patio may shift with the freeze/
frost each winter, but that grill and that buried gas line ain't going
nowhere, no how. Had to go below winter freeze line depth. May not be a
problem where you live.

Different States, different laws. Many places where I live will just
refill your tank and charge you going rate. None of this Tank exchange
so many BORGS and hardware stores have. They, the Auto Gas Stations that
offer Propane sales, have all the conversions and adapters. Only problem
is you must pay the going rate for Propane. Ain't cheap no more. Just
like Gas for car.

Back to your question: You just might have to buy a new grill for Nat
Gas. Check Weber web site to see if they offer a Nat Gas conversion kit.

Phil

In article , Nate Nagel wrote:
I figured that there would be a conversion kit involved, I guess my real
question was more along the lines of which code governs residential gas
delivery piping and what does it say about having an outdoor connection
for portable appliances?

I'm sure *that* is a no-no -- but if you take the wheels off and fasten the
legs to the deck, it's no longer portable. Weber can tell you if there's a
conversion kit available.

The big gottcha is finding the proper orifice

Dont have to find em.. a 'professional" BBQ supplier shop here will take in
your whole burner rig (you take it apart) and DRILL OUT the existing orf's
to the proper size. This works Propane TO NG as the hole gets bigger..
Wont work NG to Propane.

Now If I'd known that they weren't REPLACING the orifices (but simply
drilling them out) I could have done that myself..but admittedly I didnt
know what size bit to use. Now, if anyone asks, I can slip a drill bit into
my setup, find out the size and let them know.

Our place has a built-in NG 'quick release' hookup for the BBQ out on the
deck out back. The gasline was plumbed when house was built. Later the gas
guys came back and attached the Quick Release valve..no additional permit or
inspection required here.

R

I'm sure *that* is a no-no -- but if you take the wheels off and fasten
the
legs to the deck, it's no longer portable.

Wheels "off" Not required here. Mine is on a 12' flexible rubber hose and
still has the 4 wheels/casters on it so I can move it over when its time to
hose down the deck.

"Robert Neville" wrote in message
...

"Colbyt" wrote:

BlueRhino for one will even give you a tank that can not be
refilled elsewhere.

How do they enforce that? It's been a few years since I was forced to use
them,
but the last time I exchanged a tank it had the same valve as a standard
tank
and they plastered the "You Own It" banner all over the tank.


Only a certain % of the tanks can not be refilled. When they need to
replace the OPD valve they replace it with one that needs special tools in
order to be filled.

So if you must use these bad guys get the newest tank or the oldest looking
valve.

They also re-certify the older tanks so some of the smucks at Home Cheapo
and Slows trade in a brand new tank for one that may be near the EOL 17 year
period.

Be you can't tell what I think of their business plan.

Colbyt

In article 7gvTj.114802$rd2.86227@pd7urf3no, "Rudy" wrote:

I'm sure *that* is a no-no -- but if you take the wheels off and fasten
the
legs to the deck, it's no longer portable.

Wheels "off" Not required here. Mine is on a 12' flexible rubber hose and
still has the 4 wheels/casters on it so I can move it over when its time to
hose down the deck.

Connection to a natural gas supply via "a 12' flexible rubber hose" isn't a
violation of the gas code where you live? Did you check??

"Nate Nagel" wrote in message
...
Clot wrote:



I look forward to the responses to this! Here in the UK, Nanny State
Police would find so many ways to stop this plan, that you would never
even consider it!

I'm kind of suspecting that there's a Bad Idea somewhere in there, I just
don't know exactly what it is yet. If it can be overcome, however, that
would be a big savings because AFAIK an empty new tank is only about $25
meaning a refill at this store would have been about $50.

It is a bad idea. Propane burns hotter than natural gas, so the orifices in
the burners are different. The connectors are different too. You'll need a
new grill to hook it up to gas. Or, -possibly- they sell conversion kits.

My Weber is nat. gas (was that way from the get-go, wheels and all) and
hooked up via the supplied rubber hose to the gas pipe. I'm sure this is
pretty common so there shouldn't be any code concerns there. Now, some
cities ban the use of grills right next to the house.

"Bob M." wrote:

It is a bad idea. Propane burns hotter than natural gas, so the orifices in
the burners are different. The connectors are different too. You'll need a
new grill to hook it up to gas. Or, -possibly- they sell conversion kits.

The age of the grill shouldn't matter. The only thing that is different is the
jet orifice size and those are standard pipe thread in the US. Would its imagine
the same in the UK. It's been a year or so since I hooked the last one up, but
IIRC the flex hose just has standard flare connectors on both ends.


My Weber is nat. gas (was that way from the get-go, wheels and all) and
hooked up via the supplied rubber hose to the gas pipe. I'm sure this is
pretty common so there shouldn't be any code concerns there. Now, some
cities ban the use of grills right next to the house.

The only code concerns I recall is that a) you have to have a shutoff where the
flex hose attaches to the house pipe, and b) that the grill not be located
underneath any portion of the house overhang and that there was some minimum
clearance between the grill and the house wall.

"Robert Neville" wrote in message
The age of the grill shouldn't matter. The only thing that is different is
the
jet orifice size and those are standard pipe thread in the US. Would its
imagine
the same in the UK. It's been a year or so since I hooked the last one up,
but
IIRC the flex hose just has standard flare connectors on both ends.

Regulator is different also. Propane usually has about 11" WC while NG is
about 4"

"Bob M." wrote in message
It is a bad idea. Propane burns hotter than natural gas, so the orifices
in the burners are different. The connectors are different too. You'll
need a new grill to hook it up to gas. Or, -possibly- they sell
conversion kits.


NOT a bad idea, it just has to be done properly and it is done every day.
Most every brand has kits available for the change.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:

Regulator is different also. Propane usually has about 11" WC while NG is
about 4"

Would you need a regulator separate from the one at the entrance to the house?
Last one I did I went to a propane house supply so it didn't need a regulator as
the whole house was already at the correct pressure. I would think that NG would
be the same. The reason you have a regulator on the tank is because of the
liquid to gas conversion in the tank.

"Doug Miller" wrote in message
t...
In article 7gvTj.114802$rd2.86227@pd7urf3no, "Rudy"
wrote:

I'm sure *that* is a no-no -- but if you take the wheels off and fasten
the
legs to the deck, it's no longer portable.

Wheels "off" Not required here. Mine is on a 12' flexible rubber hose and
still has the 4 wheels/casters on it so I can move it over when its time
to
hose down the deck.

Connection to a natural gas supply via "a 12' flexible rubber hose" isn't
a
violation of the gas code where you live? Did you check??

Around here there are many natural gas BBQ's hooked up to the natural gas
supply to the house and the hookups were done by the gas company.
--
Ron P

If we are what we eat then: I'm fast,
cheap and easy and past my best before date