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On Feb 27, 2:04 pm, "SteveB" meagain@rockvilleUSA wrote:
I need to pour three anchors (I'll call them that) for a 32' long x 12" wide
lean to metal awning. The frame will be made of 14 ga. 8" and 6" C purlin
materials. Covered by 26ga. steel sheets. Corners 3" x 3" x .120" posts.
Three posts will go on an existing slab, the top purlin will be attatched to
the house. At the downhill edge, I will have the three posts that Ill need
anchoring.

I have caliche there. I do not want to spend the time and money
jackhammering out caliche. So, I want to form and pour concrete. I would
like to make it square, and to a dimension that will allow it to be tiled in
most any configuration of 6" multiples.

In your expert estimation, how much mass do you think I would need to act as
these anchors? I was thinking of 12 cubic feet, a 3' square with a 3' tall
square or Snotube column coming up the steel to stave off rust at ground
level.

They will also be two staged, that is a small cube sitting on top of a
larger one, or a Sonotube going down into a larger diameter base. I really
don't want them to come up too high, so will probably go with the two step
idea. It will have rebar throughout, and the rebar will be welded to the
legs in the concrete.

My Pocket Ref does not give approximate weight of dried concrete per cubic
foot.

TIA

Steve

~150 lbs/ cubic ft

Some comments.......

wind uplift forces on your awning

I'm not a big fan of welding rebar...usually too much carbon.

How about "after pour" drilled & epoxied studs or threaded inserts

cheers
Bob

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I need to pour three anchors (I'll call them that) for a 32' long x 12" wide
lean to metal awning. The frame will be made of 14 ga. 8" and 6" C purlin
materials. Covered by 26ga. steel sheets. Corners 3" x 3" x .120" posts.
Three posts will go on an existing slab, the top purlin will be attatched to
the house. At the downhill edge, I will have the three posts that Ill need
anchoring.

I have caliche there. I do not want to spend the time and money
jackhammering out caliche. So, I want to form and pour concrete. I would
like to make it square, and to a dimension that will allow it to be tiled in
most any configuration of 6" multiples.

In your expert estimation, how much mass do you think I would need to act as
these anchors? I was thinking of 12 cubic feet, a 3' square with a 3' tall
square or Snotube column coming up the steel to stave off rust at ground
level.

They will also be two staged, that is a small cube sitting on top of a
larger one, or a Sonotube going down into a larger diameter base. I really
don't want them to come up too high, so will probably go with the two step
idea. It will have rebar throughout, and the rebar will be welded to the
legs in the concrete.

My Pocket Ref does not give approximate weight of dried concrete per cubic
foot.

TIA

Steve

Concept in concrete
 

My Pocket Ref does not give approximate weight of dried concrete per cubic
foot.

About 2/3 cu. ft. per 80 lb. premixed concrete bag. So its about 120 lb. /
cu. ft.

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"BobK207" wrote in message
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On Feb 27, 2:04 pm, "SteveB" meagain@rockvilleUSA wrote:
I need to pour three anchors (I'll call them that) for a 32' long x 12"
wide
lean to metal awning. The frame will be made of 14 ga. 8" and 6" C
purlin
materials. Covered by 26ga. steel sheets. Corners 3" x 3" x .120"
posts.
Three posts will go on an existing slab, the top purlin will be attatched
to
the house. At the downhill edge, I will have the three posts that Ill
need
anchoring.

I have caliche there. I do not want to spend the time and money
jackhammering out caliche. So, I want to form and pour concrete. I
would
like to make it square, and to a dimension that will allow it to be tiled
in
most any configuration of 6" multiples.

In your expert estimation, how much mass do you think I would need to act
as
these anchors? I was thinking of 12 cubic feet, a 3' square with a 3'
tall
square or Snotube column coming up the steel to stave off rust at ground
level.

They will also be two staged, that is a small cube sitting on top of a
larger one, or a Sonotube going down into a larger diameter base. I
really
don't want them to come up too high, so will probably go with the two
step
idea. It will have rebar throughout, and the rebar will be welded to the
legs in the concrete.

My Pocket Ref does not give approximate weight of dried concrete per
cubic
foot.

TIA

Steve

~150 lbs/ cubic ft

Some comments.......

wind uplift forces on your awning

I'm not a big fan of welding rebar...usually too much carbon.

How about "after pour" drilled & epoxied studs or threaded inserts

cheers
Bob

It's all in the planning stage right now, and I did find the 150# figure in
my pocket ref when looking under weight of materials. 1800# (12 x 150) x 3
should hold down most anything. I do like your idea about the bolting,
though. I could even use threaded J bolts on a plate, and that would give a
little adjustment. Then build a cover for the base/bolt assembly.

I was pleasantly surprised today when my steel man came back with a price of
HALF what I had figured, and that's cut and delivered on site.

Steve

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On Feb 27, 5:04�pm, "SteveB" meagain@rockvilleUSA wrote:
I need to pour three anchors (I'll call them that) for a 32' long x 12" wide
lean to metal awning. �The frame will be made of 14 ga. 8" and 6" C purlin
materials. �Covered by 26ga. steel sheets. �Corners 3" x 3" x .120" posts.
Three posts will go on an existing slab, the top purlin will be attatched to
the house. �At the downhill edge, I will have the three posts that Ill need
anchoring.

I have caliche there. �I do not want to spend the time and money
jackhammering out caliche. �So, I want to form and pour concrete. �I would
like to make it square, and to a dimension that will allow it to be tiled in
most any configuration of 6" multiples.

In your expert estimation, how much mass do you think I would need to act as
these anchors? �I was thinking of 12 cubic feet, a 3' square with a 3' tall
square or Snotube column coming up the steel to stave off rust at ground
level.

They will also be two staged, that is a small cube sitting on top of a
larger one, or a Sonotube going down into a larger diameter base. �I really
don't want them to come up too high, so will probably go with the two step
idea. �It will have rebar throughout, and the rebar will be welded to the
legs in the concrete.

My Pocket Ref does not give approximate weight of dried concrete per cubic
foot.

TIA

Steve

will a gasoline post hole digger get thru caliche? just curious i am
from pittsburgh theres none around here. might be easier than
jackhammering

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On Feb 27, 6:53 pm, " Frank" wrote:
My Pocket Ref does not give approximate weight of dried concrete per cubic
foot.

About 2/3 cu. ft. per 80 lb. premixed concrete bag. So its about 120 lb. /
cu. ft.

Actually the number commonly used for estimating reinforced concrete
weight is typically 150 lbs/ cubic ft. It's slightly on the high side
but that's pretty much what people use for "normal weight" concrete.

Your number of 120 is approaching the range of light weight concrete &
is low for "normal weight" concrtete for two reasons......

an 80 lb bag only yields .6 cu ft (per mfr's info) & you forgot the
water

http://www.quickrete.com/PDFs/SPEC_DATA-ConcreteMix.pdf

the "real" number is probably closer to 140 but 150 is what everyone I
know uses.

cheers
Bob

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On Thu, 28 Feb 2008 04:58:20 -0800 (PST), "
wrote:

will a gasoline post hole digger get thru caliche? just curious i am
from pittsburgh theres none around here. might be easier than
jackhammering

No! Now way. Caliche (mineral) can add 10-20k for a pool install in
our desert. Not easy work and very expensive to those not familiar.
Big machines!

The cost is what is below ground ...trying to get through this stuff.

... cite:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caliche_%28mineral%29

--
Oren