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Hi,
The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Best regards, NeilSanner |
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neilsanner wrote:
Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Best regards, NeilSanner If you can get the oval tubing into the compression fitting socket, then the compression fitting will fix the ovality issue. If you cannot get the tubing in, then try this; Take a crescent wrench, not vise grips or pliers or channel locks, and place it on the pipe where it is round. Tighten the crescent until it is snug against the pipe. Now remove it and move it to the end where your compression socket will be and place it on the narrow part of the oval. Rotate it until it is over the wide part of the oval and try to insert the tubing into the socket. This has worked for me many times in the past. In addition, if your shutoff valve will not stop the flow enough to allow soldering, why don't you shut off the city valve and then solder on your new valve? -- Robert Allison Rimshot, Inc. Georgetown, TX |
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neilsanner wrote:
Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Best regards, NeilSanner If you can get the oval tubing into the compression fitting socket, then the compression fitting will fix the ovality issue. If you cannot get the tubing in, then try this; Take a crescent wrench, not vise grips or pliers or channel locks, and place it on the pipe where it is round. Tighten the crescent until it is snug against the pipe. Now remove it and move it to the end where your compression socket will be and place it on the narrow part of the oval. Rotate it until it is over the wide part of the oval and try to insert the tubing into the socket. This has worked for me many times in the past. In addition, if your shutoff valve will not stop the flow enough to allow soldering, why don't you shut off the city valve and then solder on your new valve? -- Robert Allison Rimshot, Inc. Georgetown, TX |
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your far better off to have the water turned off and replace the main
valve..... a better looking more workmanlike job |
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your far better off to have the water turned off and replace the main
valve..... a better looking more workmanlike job |
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On Feb 21, 3:30*pm, " wrote:
your far better off to have the water turned off and replace the main valve..... a better looking more workmanlike job And use a new quarter turn ball valve. Joe |
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On Feb 21, 3:30*pm, " wrote:
your far better off to have the water turned off and replace the main valve..... a better looking more workmanlike job And use a new quarter turn ball valve. Joe |
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"neilsanner" wrote in message The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Best regards, NeilSanner This is one of those jobs that can get you in trouble, especially on the weekend. First, I'd not want a compression fitting on my main valve. It may work, it may not. You already know that a slightly misshapen tube will no solder correctly. What is the backup plan if you have a problem? Calling the town to shut of water at the street is not easily done on a weekend, same with finding a plumber. Unless you are 100% sure you have a solution, consider paying a plumber. At least know of one that you can get on short notice. Putting in a valve "should" be a simple job but . . . . . . . |
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"neilsanner" wrote in message The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Best regards, NeilSanner This is one of those jobs that can get you in trouble, especially on the weekend. First, I'd not want a compression fitting on my main valve. It may work, it may not. You already know that a slightly misshapen tube will no solder correctly. What is the backup plan if you have a problem? Calling the town to shut of water at the street is not easily done on a weekend, same with finding a plumber. Unless you are 100% sure you have a solution, consider paying a plumber. At least know of one that you can get on short notice. Putting in a valve "should" be a simple job but . . . . . . . |
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Neil,
Go to a plumbing supply store. They sell a simple tool to make the pipe round again. I have both the 3/4" tool and a 1" tool and they are a lifesaver. cm "neilsanner" wrote in message ... Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Best regards, NeilSanner |
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Neil,
Go to a plumbing supply store. They sell a simple tool to make the pipe round again. I have both the 3/4" tool and a 1" tool and they are a lifesaver. cm "neilsanner" wrote in message ... Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Best regards, NeilSanner |
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On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:50:14 -0800 (PST), neilsanner
wrote: Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on Why? 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. Over?? The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Can't you rebuild the current valve? Turn off the water at the street, and change the washer and/or the stem and whatever else needs changing on the current valve Best regards, NeilSanner |
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On Feb 22, 3:57�am, mm wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:50:14 -0800 (PST), neilsanner wrote: Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on Why? 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. Over?? The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Can't you rebuild the current valve? �Turn off the water at the street, and change the washer and/or the stem and whatever else needs changing on the current valve Best regards, NeilSanner- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - with such a important valve a new 1/4 turn ball valve is likely a good idea. have a friend who had a similiar problem and didnt want to call the water company. he had a novel fix, turned off water as best as possible disconnected water line at meter exit, he put garden hose on meter and watered his yard while he installed a second valve a couple feet from the meter. then he reattached the meter line. it worked fine, although it wouldnt help a meter leak, he feels thats unlikely |
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Thanks for the nice trick Robert!
I think this is the city valve... Well at least it's the first valve I see that brings cold water into the house. Is there usually supposed to be a "city valve" outside the house? Best regards, NeilSanner On Feb 21, 5:03 pm, Robert Allison wrote: neilsannerwrote: Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Best regards, NeilSanner If you can get the oval tubing into the compression fitting socket, then the compression fitting will fix the ovality issue. If you cannot get the tubing in, then try this; Take a crescent wrench, not vise grips or pliers or channel locks, and place it on the pipe where it is round. Tighten the crescent until it is snug against the pipe. Now remove it and move it to the end where your compression socket will be and place it on the narrow part of the oval. Rotate it until it is over the wide part of the oval and try to insert the tubing into the socket. This has worked for me many times in the past. In addition, if your shutoff valve will not stop the flow enough to allow soldering, why don't you shut off the city valve and then solder on your new valve? -- Robert Allison Rimshot, Inc. Georgetown, TX |
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On Feb 21, 11:34 pm, "CM" wrote:
Neil, Go to a plumbing supply store. They sell a simple tool to make the pipe round again. I have both the 3/4" tool and a 1" tool and they are a lifesaver. cm "neilsanner" wrote in message ... Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Best regards, NeilSanner Thanks for the tip CM! Do you know what is the exact name of that tool so we could do an image search on the internet? Best regards, Neilsanner |
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On Feb 22, 9:13�am, neilsanner wrote:
Thanks for the nice trick Robert! I think this is the city valve... Well at least it's the first valve I see that brings cold water into the house. Is there usually supposed to be a "city valve" outside the house? Best regards, NeilSanner On Feb 21, 5:03 pm, Robert Allison wrote: neilsannerwrote: Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Best regards, NeilSanner If you can get the oval tubing into the compression fitting socket, then the compression fitting will fix the ovality issue. � If you cannot get the tubing in, then try this; �Take a crescent wrench, not vise grips or pliers or channel locks, and place it on the pipe where it is round. �Tighten the crescent until it is snug against the pipe. �Now remove it and move it to the end where your compression socket will be and place it on the narrow part of the oval. �Rotate it until it is over the wide part of the oval and try to insert the tubing into the socket. This has worked for me many times in the past. In addition, if your shutoff valve will not stop the flow enough to allow soldering, why don't you shut off the city valve and then solder on your new valve? -- Robert Allison Rimshot, Inc. Georgetown, TX- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - yeah theres another outside valve, theres always one there. thats whats used to turn you off if you dont pay your water bill |
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call he water company they will be very helpful.
often plumbers have the outside valve tool. for such occasions. |
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On Feb 22, 4:57 am, mm wrote:
On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:50:14 -0800 (PST),neilsanner wrote: Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on Why? 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. Over?? The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Can't you rebuild the current valve? Turn off the water at the street, and change the washer and/or the stem and whatever else needs changing on the current valve Best regards, NeilSanner mm: I meant "above" (not "over". Sorry) It's true that we could rebuild the current valve. It will probably fail again soon or later though (unlike a ball valve). |
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On Feb 22, 9:50 am, " wrote:
On Feb 22, 3:57�am, mm wrote: On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:50:14 -0800 (PST),neilsanner wrote: Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on Why? 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. Over?? The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Can't you rebuild the current valve? �Turn off the water at the street, and change the washer and/or the stem and whatever else needs changing on the current valve Best regards, NeilSanner- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - with such a important valve a new 1/4 turn ball valve is likely a good idea. have a friend who had a similiar problem and didnt want to call the water company. he had a novel fix, turned off water as best as possible disconnected water line at meter exit, he put garden hose on meter and watered his yard while he installed a second valve a couple feet from the meter. then he reattached the meter line. it worked fine, although it wouldnt help a meter leak, he feels thats unlikely Thanks Haller! Above the main valve there's a faucet with a threaded mouth. It seems that a garden hose could be attached to that faucet. Maybe I could do so and install the new ball valve after that faucet. It would also allow for soldering since the little water would be drained that way. Best regards, NeilSanner |
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On Feb 22, 10:25 am, wrote:
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:17:03 -0800 (PST), " wrote: On Feb 22, wrote: Thanks for the nice trick Robert! I think this is the city valve... Well at least it's the first valve I see that brings cold water into the house. Is there usually supposed to be a "city valve" outside the house? Best regards, NeilSanner On Feb 21, 5:03 pm, Robert Allison wrote: neilsannerwrote: Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Best regards, NeilSanner If you can get the oval tubing into the compression fitting socket, then the compression fitting will fix the ovality issue. ? If you cannot get the tubing in, then try this; ?Take a crescent wrench, not vise grips or pliers or channel locks, and place it on the pipe where it is round. ?Tighten the crescent until it is snug against the pipe. ?Now remove it and move it to the end where your compression socket will be and place it on the narrow part of the oval. ?Rotate it until it is over the wide part of the oval and try to insert the tubing into the socket. This has worked for me many times in the past. In addition, if your shutoff valve will not stop the flow enough to allow soldering, why don't you shut off the city valve and then solder on your new valve? -- Robert Allison Rimshot, Inc. Georgetown, TX- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - yeah theres another outside valve, theres always one there. thats whats used to turn you off if you dont pay your water bill Did you ever notice a round cover about 4 inches or so that says WATER on it? In your lawn, or it could be in the city sidewalk if you have one. That's the place to shut it off. You need a special tool thats about 8 feet long. I'd just call the water dept. and have them do it. Thanks man! Do they usually charge for doing that ( Come and shut the valve off)? |
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neilsanner wrote:
Thanks for the nice trick Robert! I think this is the city valve... Well at least it's the first valve I see that brings cold water into the house. Is there usually supposed to be a "city valve" outside the house? Best regards, NeilSanner If it was the city valve, then you could call the city and they would replace it. They don't like you working on their stuff. But since it is in your home, it is not the city valve. The city valve is going to be out by the street and would be in a metal or plastic box with a cover. The valve will be right by the water meter. Turn it off, or have the city come out and turn it off, but then you will have to call them to have it turned back on. I always just turn it off myself. On Feb 21, 5:03 pm, Robert Allison wrote: neilsannerwrote: Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Best regards, NeilSanner If you can get the oval tubing into the compression fitting socket, then the compression fitting will fix the ovality issue. If you cannot get the tubing in, then try this; Take a crescent wrench, not vise grips or pliers or channel locks, and place it on the pipe where it is round. Tighten the crescent until it is snug against the pipe. Now remove it and move it to the end where your compression socket will be and place it on the narrow part of the oval. Rotate it until it is over the wide part of the oval and try to insert the tubing into the socket. This has worked for me many times in the past. In addition, if your shutoff valve will not stop the flow enough to allow soldering, why don't you shut off the city valve and then solder on your new valve? -- Robert Allison Rimshot, Inc. Georgetown, TX -- Robert Allison Rimshot, Inc. Georgetown, TX |
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On Feb 22, 10:27�am, Robert Allison wrote:
neilsanner wrote: Thanks for the nice trick Robert! I think this is the city valve... Well at least it's the first valve I see that brings cold water into the house. Is there usually supposed to be a "city valve" outside the house? Best regards, NeilSanner If it was the city valve, then you could call the city and they would replace it. �They don't like you working on their stuff. But since it is in your home, it is not the city valve. The city valve is going to be out by the street and would be in a metal or plastic box with a cover. �The valve will be right by the water meter. �Turn it off, or have the city come out and turn it off, but then you will have to call them to have it turned back on. �I always just turn it off myself. On Feb 21, 5:03 pm, Robert Allison wrote: neilsannerwrote: Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Best regards, NeilSanner If you can get the oval tubing into the compression fitting socket, then the compression fitting will fix the ovality issue. �If you cannot get the tubing in, then try this; �Take a crescent wrench, not vise grips or pliers or channel locks, and place it on the pipe where it is round. �Tighten the crescent until it is snug against the pipe. �Now remove it and move it to the end where your compression socket will be and place it on the narrow part of the oval. �Rotate it until it is over the wide part of the oval and try to insert the tubing into the socket. This has worked for me many times in the past. In addition, if your shutoff valve will not stop the flow enough to allow soldering, why don't you shut off the city valve and then solder on your new valve? -- Robert Allison Rimshot, Inc. Georgetown, TX -- Robert Allison Rimshot, Inc. Georgetown, TX- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - if you have the replacement valve, and everything needed for new valve they will likely wait and might help a little just to save a trip |
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On Feb 22, 3:10Â*pm, " wrote:
On Feb 22, 10:27�am, Robert Allison wrote: neilsanner wrote: Thanks for the nice trick Robert! I think this is the city valve... Well at least it's the first valve I see that brings cold water into the house. Is there usually supposed to be a "city valve" outside the house? Best regards, NeilSanner If it was the city valve, then you could call the city and they would replace it. �They don't like you working on their stuff. But since it is in your home, it is not the city valve. The city valve is going to be out by the street and would be in a metal or plastic box with a cover. �The valve will be right by the water meter. �Turn it off, or have the city come out and turn it off, but then you will have to call them to have it turned back on. �I always just turn it off myself. On Feb 21, 5:03 pm, Robert Allison wrote: neilsannerwrote: Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Best regards, NeilSanner If you can get the oval tubing into the compression fitting socket, then the compression fitting will fix the ovality issue. �If you cannot get the tubing in, then try this; �Take a crescent wrench, not vise grips or pliers or channel locks, and place it on the pipe where it is round. �Tighten the crescent until it is snug against the pipe. �Now remove it and move it to the end where your compression socket will be and place it on the narrow part of the oval. �Rotate it until it is over the wide part of the oval and try to insert the tubing into the socket. This has worked for me many times in the past. In addition, if your shutoff valve will not stop the flow enough to allow soldering, why don't you shut off the city valve and then solder on your new valve? -- Robert Allison Rimshot, Inc. Georgetown, TX -- Robert Allison Rimshot, Inc. Georgetown, TX- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - if you have the replacement valve, and everything needed for new valve they will likely wait and might help a little just to save a trip- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - generally such visits are free, but you can call and ask them first |
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I have no idea what it is called or even the brand. I see no markings on
mine. It does come in two pieces. One that can fits over the pipe or one that fits inside the pipe. I have only ever used the part that fits inside the pipe. I tap it in with a hammer and pull it out with channel locks. cm "neilsanner" wrote in message ... On Feb 21, 11:34 pm, "CM" wrote: Neil, Go to a plumbing supply store. They sell a simple tool to make the pipe round again. I have both the 3/4" tool and a 1" tool and they are a lifesaver. cm "neilsanner" wrote in message ... Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Best regards, NeilSanner Thanks for the tip CM! Do you know what is the exact name of that tool so we could do an image search on the internet? Best regards, Neilsanner |
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How to get an oval shaped copper pipe round again to installcompression fitting
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I have no idea what it is called or even the brand. I see no markings on mine. It does come in two pieces. One that can fits over the pipe or one that fits inside the pipe. I have only ever used the part that fits inside the pipe. I tap it in with a hammer and pull it out with channel locks. cm Called a "swedge" or sizing tool: http://preview.tinyurl.com/yqq4b3 Jim "neilsanner" wrote in message ... On Feb 21, 11:34 pm, "CM" wrote: Neil, Go to a plumbing supply store. They sell a simple tool to make the pipe round again. I have both the 3/4" tool and a 1" tool and they are a lifesaver. cm "neilsanner" wrote in message ... Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Best regards, NeilSanner Thanks for the tip CM! Do you know what is the exact name of that tool so we could do an image search on the internet? Best regards, Neilsanner |
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:21:06 -0800 (PST), neilsanner
wrote: On Feb 22, 4:57 am, mm wrote: On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:50:14 -0800 (PST),neilsanner wrote: Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on Why? 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. Over?? The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Can't you rebuild the current valve? Turn off the water at the street, and change the washer and/or the stem and whatever else needs changing on the current valve Best regards, NeilSanner mm: I meant "above" (not "over". Sorry) It's true that we could rebuild the current valve. It will probably fail again soon or later though (unlike a ball valve). Doesn't it depend on how much later later is. Mine's 28 years old and good as new. How old is yours? How often do you shut it? Don't these things last 50 to 100 years? |
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On Feb 22, 5:22�pm, mm wrote:
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 06:21:06 -0800 (PST), neilsanner wrote: On Feb 22, 4:57 am, mm wrote: On Thu, 21 Feb 2008 12:50:14 -0800 (PST),neilsanner wrote: Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on Why? 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. Over?? The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Can't you rebuild the current valve? �Turn off the water at the street, and change the washer and/or the stem and whatever else needs changing on the current valve Best regards, NeilSanner mm: I meant "above" (not "over". Sorry) It's true that we could rebuild the current valve. It will probably fail again soon or later though (unlike a ball valve). Doesn't it depend on how much later later is. Mine's 28 years old and good as new. � How old is yours? �How often do you shut it? �Don't these things last 50 to 100 years?- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - I had a main valve fail once during a major plumbing job, it allowed the basement to flood. given my unhappy experience a new quarter turn ball valve is a excellent idea. some things are best not repaired but replaced. that valve is one on my short list |
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On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:27:18 GMT, Robert Allison
wrote: If it was the city valve, then you could call the city and they would replace it. They don't like you working on their stuff. But since it is in your home, it is not the city valve. The city valve is going to be out by the street and would be in a metal or plastic box with a cover. The valve will be right by the water meter. Turn it off, or have the city come out and turn it off, but then you will have to call them to have it turned back on. I always just turn it off myself. Doesn't it require a 5-sided socket, or something else most people don't have? How do you do it? |
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On Feb 22, 9:54�pm, mm wrote:
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008 15:27:18 GMT, Robert Allison wrote: If it was the city valve, then you could call the city and they would replace it. �They don't like you working on their stuff. But since it is in your home, it is not the city valve. The city valve is going to be out by the street and would be in a metal or plastic box with a cover. �The valve will be right by the water meter. �Turn it off, or have the city come out and turn it off, but then you will have to call them to have it turned back on. �I always just turn it off myself. Doesn't it require a 5-sided socket, or something else most people don't have? �How do you do it? many people have those tools, they are pretty common but vary regionally. a plumber told me in the pittsburgh area there are about 5 models. |
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On Feb 21, 4:50 pm, neilsanner wrote:
Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Best regards,NeilSanner Thanks to all!!! Really!!! You guys are very helpful and very knowledgeable persons. Best regards, NeilSanner |
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"neilsanner" ...
neilsanner: Hi, The old main valve of my house doesn't stop the water flow very tightly when shut off. I need to install a new main valve. It's on 3/4" copper pipe. I'll install the new valve just over the old one. The problem is that the old pipe is now more oval in shape than round and I'm afraid that the joint will leak. I planned to use a compression fitting, since the old valve, when closed, lets pass enough water to prevent us using soldering. Is there a way to get the pipe round again? Best regards,NeilSanner Thanks to all!!! Really!!! You guys are very helpful and very knowledgeable persons. Best regards, NeilSanner So what did you end up doing? |
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replying to Robert Allison, Reggie wrote:
Robert, you are a life saver. I had all soldered joints behind a tub wall with only 7" access width. The copper coming up from the lower level had a 20 degree bend so I cut it in the straightest looking area. The compression nut or sleeve would not go on. I saw your post and tried it and it was perfectly round again!!!! I had the whole building water off and this fitting was my shut off taps. Thank you so much for this post. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...ll-289766-.htm |
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