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First Question:
We have a Oil Fired Furnace supplying our domestic hot water. We are
finding little partiles of like rust/sand in the water. Is there a filter
made for hot water? What brand is the best?

Second Question:
We are finding not a lot of pressure in the hot water. Is there a pump you
can add to the hot water outlet side to increase pressure? We are on an
artisan well if that matters.

Thanks.

Steve

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"SteveC" wrote in message
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First Question:
We have a Oil Fired Furnace supplying our domestic hot water.

No you don't. You have a boiler. Furnaces heat air, boilers heat water.


We are finding little partiles of like rust/sand in the water. Is there a
filter made for hot water? What brand is the best?

Second Question:
We are finding not a lot of pressure in the hot water. Is there a pump
you can add to the hot water outlet side to increase pressure? We are on
an artisan well if that matters.

You have other problems, likely a clogged coil. That explains the particles
in the water as well as the low pressure. I don't know if they can be
cleaned out or if it has to be replaced. If it is old, chances are it is
shot.

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thanks for the reply, but I knew something was wrong with coil in my
"BOILER", but you still never answered my questions.

Steve

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
news:HUZrj.2938$J93.2823@trndny08...

"SteveC" wrote in message
...
First Question:
We have a Oil Fired Furnace supplying our domestic hot water.

No you don't. You have a boiler. Furnaces heat air, boilers heat water.


We are finding little partiles of like rust/sand in the water. Is there
a filter made for hot water? What brand is the best?

Second Question:
We are finding not a lot of pressure in the hot water. Is there a pump
you can add to the hot water outlet side to increase pressure? We are on
an artisan well if that matters.

You have other problems, likely a clogged coil. That explains the
particles in the water as well as the low pressure. I don't know if they
can be cleaned out or if it has to be replaced. If it is old, chances are
it is shot.

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"SteveC" wrote in message
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"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
news:HUZrj.2938$J93.2823@trndny08...

"SteveC" wrote in message
...
First Question:
We have a Oil Fired Furnace supplying our domestic hot water.

No you don't. You have a boiler. Furnaces heat air, boilers heat water.


We are finding little partiles of like rust/sand in the water. Is there
a filter made for hot water? What brand is the best?

Second Question:
We are finding not a lot of pressure in the hot water. Is there a pump
you can add to the hot water outlet side to increase pressure? We are
on an artisan well if that matters.

You have other problems, likely a clogged coil. That explains the
particles in the water as well as the low pressure. I don't know if they
can be cleaned out or if it has to be replaced. If it is old, chances
are it is shot.


thanks for the reply, but I knew something was wrong with coil in my
"BOILER", but you still never answered my questions.

Steve


Bottom posting will help this discussion progress more smoothly.

Edwin probably assumed you had the ability to extrapolate from what he said
to the next logical idea: You need to first determine if the coil is the
problem, and then fix it if necessary. Adding a filter will just mask the
real problem.

Water pressu Did the problems coincide with the debris problem?

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"JoeSpareBedroom" wrote in message
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"SteveC" wrote in message
...
"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
news:HUZrj.2938$J93.2823@trndny08...

"SteveC" wrote in message
...
First Question:
We have a Oil Fired Furnace supplying our domestic hot water.

No you don't. You have a boiler. Furnaces heat air, boilers heat water.


We are finding little partiles of like rust/sand in the water. Is
there a filter made for hot water? What brand is the best?

Second Question:
We are finding not a lot of pressure in the hot water. Is there a pump
you can add to the hot water outlet side to increase pressure? We are
on an artisan well if that matters.

You have other problems, likely a clogged coil. That explains the
particles in the water as well as the low pressure. I don't know if
they can be cleaned out or if it has to be replaced. If it is old,
chances are it is shot.


thanks for the reply, but I knew something was wrong with coil in my
"BOILER", but you still never answered my questions.

Steve


Bottom posting will help this discussion progress more smoothly.

Edwin probably assumed you had the ability to extrapolate from what he
said to the next logical idea: You need to first determine if the coil is
the problem, and then fix it if necessary. Adding a filter will just mask
the real problem.

Water pressu Did the problems coincide with the debris problem?

I'm fine with masking the problem until i have to fix the problem, $300 is
not in my budget right now.

Yes and No about the depris. A number of things happened. My plumber
installed a water softener and at the same time screwed around with the
pressure tank's pressure settings, i'm not sure what the problem is. Could
be the water softener, pressure tank or clogged coil.

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"SteveC" wrote in message
Yes and No about the depris. A number of things happened. My plumber
installed a water softener and at the same time screwed around with the
pressure tank's pressure settings, i'm not sure what the problem is.
Could be the water softener, pressure tank or clogged coil.


Why did you not bring this up in the first post?

In any event, a filter is not the solution. You still have to determine the
source of the particulate. If it is in the hot and not the cold, it is
coming from the boiler. Did it start soon after the softener was installed?
It may be the accumulated crud and minerals from years of hard water being
loosened up now. You chose to ignore my answer the first time anyway. I
chose it ignore the filter question since that is not the proper remedy. If
you want to filter and the resulting pressure drop, go right ahead; I don't
care if you crap up your system.

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Wow, nice guy, thanks for the answer.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
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"SteveC" wrote in message
Yes and No about the depris. A number of things happened. My plumber
installed a water softener and at the same time screwed around with the
pressure tank's pressure settings, i'm not sure what the problem is.
Could be the water softener, pressure tank or clogged coil.


Why did you not bring this up in the first post?

In any event, a filter is not the solution. You still have to determine
the source of the particulate. If it is in the hot and not the cold, it
is coming from the boiler. Did it start soon after the softener was
installed? It may be the accumulated crud and minerals from years of hard
water being loosened up now. You chose to ignore my answer the first time
anyway. I chose it ignore the filter question since that is not the
proper remedy. If you want to filter and the resulting pressure drop, go
right ahead; I don't care if you crap up your system.

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On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 09:15:10 -0330, "SteveC"
wrote:
Second Question:
We are finding not a lot of pressure in the hot water. Is there a pump you
can add to the hot water outlet side to increase pressure? We are on an
artisan well if that matters.

Do you have a pressure gauge? You should be able to get an
inexpensive one that will screw on to any hose bibb. Would be nice to
know what the pressure is before and after the boiler. You could get
hot water pressure after the boiler by screwing the gauge onto the hot
water connection to your washing machine. (And clean out/replace the
little cone-shaped filters in that connection while you are at it,
along with any others in sinks, bathroom facucets, etc) You could
also compare it with the cold water pressure at the same spot.
I'm not an expert, but I would guess that this information would be of
benefit to those who are in their attempts to help you. In the
interim, you could visit the mfgrs web site, and/or call him to find
out what his specs are for pressure in, recognizing that there is
probably a reducing valve in the system already. You might even luck
out with the install sheet for you boiler, or some suggestions as to
what might help.

You could also ask in this forum:
http://forums.invision.net/index.cfm...f4233&CFApp=2&
or
http://tinyurl.com/23lrbr

If you do, make certain you have all the name/model/etc data in your
message

If in fact the coil in the boiler is plugged and needs replacement,
and the boiler is old, you may have trouble find one, or even getting
the old one out. I'm nursing one along now waiting the day I have to
scrap the boiler because I can't find a new tankless coil, and would
probably break the bolts off trying to get the damn thing out if I
could find one.

YMMV
starrin

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On Feb 11, 10:45 pm, "SteveC" wrote:
Wow, nice guy, thanks for the answer.

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message

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"SteveC" wrote in message
Yes and No about the depris. A number of things happened. My plumber
installed a watersoftenerand at the same time screwed around with the
pressure tank's pressure settings, i'm not sure what the problem is.
Could be the watersoftener, pressure tank or clogged coil.

Why did you not bring this up in the first post?

In any event, a filter is not the solution. You still have to determine
the source of the particulate. If it is in the hot and not the cold, it
is coming from the boiler. Did it start soon after thesoftenerwas
installed? It may be the accumulated crud and minerals from years of hard
water being loosened up now. You chose to ignore my answer the first time
anyway. I chose it ignore the filter question since that is not the
proper remedy. If you want to filter and the resulting pressure drop, go
right ahead; I don't care if you crap up your system.

You have a domestic coil in the boiler that heats your water. With
hard water the coil will have a lot of hardness scale formation.
Softened water will dissolve the scale and possibly cause the "sand";
little balls of hardness. They can block up your faucet tip aerators,
remove and clean them, that may help.

You have a well water system or there would not be a pressure switch
or tank. If your plumber adjusted the pressure without adjusting the
captive air pressure in the pressure tank, that can cause 'low
pressure' complaints. The air must be 1-2 psi less than the cut-in
setting with no water in the pressure tank. I.E. 30/50 gets 29-28 air
pressure with no water in the tank. You should have a water pressure
gauge on the tank tee. Run water until the pump comes on, that's the
cut in (30), then shut it off and note the pump shuts off, that's the
cut out (50). Or 40/60 etc..

BTW, leave Ed alone, he's a good guy and correct. You want to cure the
cause of the problem, not put a band aid on it which won't make
anything better anyway.

Now, what is the $300 for? I suspect the plumber has told you he can
run acid through the coil to remove the scale? The softened water will
do that in time; like two weeks or so.

Gary Slusser
Quality Water Associates

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"Gary Slusser" wrote in message:

You have a domestic coil in the boiler that heats your water. With
hard water the coil will have a lot of hardness scale formation.
Softened water will dissolve the scale and possibly cause the "sand";
little balls of hardness. They can block up your faucet tip aerators,
remove and clean them, that may help.

You have a well water system or there would not be a pressure switch
or tank. If your plumber adjusted the pressure without adjusting the
captive air pressure in the pressure tank, that can cause 'low
pressure' complaints. The air must be 1-2 psi less than the cut-in
setting with no water in the pressure tank. I.E. 30/50 gets 29-28 air
pressure with no water in the tank. You should have a water pressure
gauge on the tank tee. Run water until the pump comes on, that's the
cut in (30), then shut it off and note the pump shuts off, that's the
cut out (50). Or 40/60 etc..

BTW, leave Ed alone, he's a good guy and correct. You want to cure the
cause of the problem, not put a band aid on it which won't make
anything better anyway.

Now, what is the $300 for? I suspect the plumber has told you he can
run acid through the coil to remove the scale? The softened water will
do that in time; like two weeks or so.

Gary Slusser
Quality Water Associates

Yes, plumber said there might be little particles from the hard deposits
breaking loose from the coil and pipe, but it's been about 2 months since
the water softener has been installed and still the deposits. So I'm
guessing the coil is shot, which is about 300 bux to fix.

about the pressure tank, I will experiment tonight.

yeah, Ed got snippy, i just got snippy back, sorry Ed.

Thanks Gary.