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sean_n January 28th 08 03:51 AM

Microwave problems--Microwave and Refrigerator sharing neutral wire.
 

In the last 2 years, our microwaves have been breaking very quickly.
We suspect that it might be our electrical wiring. I've noticed that
the microwave and refrigerator are sharing the same neutral wire.
What's the chances of this being the cause of our microwave problems?
I believe sharing the neutral wire was common practice in the old
days--but is against code. Is this true? The microwave and
refrigerator are on circuits that are out of phase--I believe that
makes a difference but would like confirmation on this. We've had
this setup for the last 17 years and only in the last 2 years we've
been having microwave problems. I would hate to have to run another
wire unless it's absolutely necessary.

RBM[_2_] January 28th 08 12:12 PM

Microwave problems--Microwave and Refrigerator sharing neutral wire.
 
It's called an Edison or multiwire branch circuit. It's perfectly proper and
legal. It is essential that the two conductors sharing the neutral be on
legs of different potential in the panel, which you seemed to have verified.
It's also vital that the neutral be enact and tight or the potential for
high voltage backfeed exists



"sean_n" wrote in message
...

In the last 2 years, our microwaves have been breaking very quickly.
We suspect that it might be our electrical wiring. I've noticed that
the microwave and refrigerator are sharing the same neutral wire.
What's the chances of this being the cause of our microwave problems?
I believe sharing the neutral wire was common practice in the old
days--but is against code. Is this true? The microwave and
refrigerator are on circuits that are out of phase--I believe that
makes a difference but would like confirmation on this. We've had
this setup for the last 17 years and only in the last 2 years we've
been having microwave problems. I would hate to have to run another
wire unless it's absolutely necessary.




Mike Dobony[_3_] January 28th 08 02:21 PM

Microwave problems--Microwave and Refrigerator sharing neutralwire.
 
RBM wrote:
It's called an Edison or multiwire branch circuit. It's perfectly proper and
legal. It is essential that the two conductors sharing the neutral be on
legs of different potential in the panel, which you seemed to have verified.
It's also vital that the neutral be enact and tight or the potential for
high voltage backfeed exists



"sean_n" wrote in message
...
In the last 2 years, our microwaves have been breaking very quickly.
We suspect that it might be our electrical wiring. I've noticed that
the microwave and refrigerator are sharing the same neutral wire.
What's the chances of this being the cause of our microwave problems?
I believe sharing the neutral wire was common practice in the old
days--but is against code. Is this true? The microwave and
refrigerator are on circuits that are out of phase--I believe that
makes a difference but would like confirmation on this. We've had
this setup for the last 17 years and only in the last 2 years we've
been having microwave problems. I would hate to have to run another
wire unless it's absolutely necessary.





This is right now legal and acceptable, but will not be in August 2008
as the code is changing.

Kevin Ricks January 28th 08 03:04 PM

Microwave problems--Microwave and Refrigerator sharing neutralwire.
 
sean_n wrote:
In the last 2 years, our microwaves have been breaking very quickly.
We suspect that it might be our electrical wiring. I've noticed that
the microwave and refrigerator are sharing the same neutral wire.
What's the chances of this being the cause of our microwave problems?
I believe sharing the neutral wire was common practice in the old
days--but is against code. Is this true? The microwave and
refrigerator are on circuits that are out of phase--I believe that
makes a difference but would like confirmation on this. We've had
this setup for the last 17 years and only in the last 2 years we've
been having microwave problems. I would hate to have to run another
wire unless it's absolutely necessary.


Describe the microwave failure.
Shared neutral circuit are fairly common in older homes.
I mostly see them on dishwasher/disposal circuits. I believe in Canada
they are very common or required in kitchen counter circuits.
A full load on both circuits will completely cancel each other and
neutral will be at 0 current. A load of say 2 amps on one and 3 amps on
the other will leave 1 amp on the neutral etc...
As the other reply mentioned, if the neutral gets disconnected down
stream then you will get up to 240V at the appliance plug depending on
what is plugged into the circuits. This could certainly damage both the
refrigerator and microwave.
Kevin

RBM[_2_] January 28th 08 09:50 PM

Microwave problems--Microwave and Refrigerator sharing neutral wire.
 
His, and every other existing Edison circuit will still be legal come August




"Mike Dobony" wrote in message
. ..
RBM wrote:
It's called an Edison or multiwire branch circuit. It's perfectly proper
and legal. It is essential that the two conductors sharing the neutral be
on legs of different potential in the panel, which you seemed to have
verified. It's also vital that the neutral be enact and tight or the
potential for high voltage backfeed exists



"sean_n" wrote in message
...
In the last 2 years, our microwaves have been breaking very quickly.
We suspect that it might be our electrical wiring. I've noticed that
the microwave and refrigerator are sharing the same neutral wire.
What's the chances of this being the cause of our microwave problems?
I believe sharing the neutral wire was common practice in the old
days--but is against code. Is this true? The microwave and
refrigerator are on circuits that are out of phase--I believe that
makes a difference but would like confirmation on this. We've had
this setup for the last 17 years and only in the last 2 years we've
been having microwave problems. I would hate to have to run another
wire unless it's absolutely necessary.





This is right now legal and acceptable, but will not be in August 2008 as
the code is changing.





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