I have a Kenmore Elite Dishwasher (which I believe is a rebadged
Bosch) that's about a year or 2 old and I noticed that the soap
dispenser now doesn't open until the drying cycle. There is most of
the dishwasher gel still running down the inside of the door when I
open the dishwasher to empty it. So, the soap obviously wasn't used
during the wash cycles.

The dispenser door isn't stuck closed because it does open
consistently, but during the dry cycle instead of the wash cycle. I
rewashed the dishes a second time and it happened both times.

Is there anything I can do to fix this or does it need to repaired by
the technician?

On Dec 24, 11:50�pm, FL wrote:
I have a Kenmore Elite Dishwasher (which I believe is a rebadged
Bosch) that's about a year or 2 old and I noticed that the soap
dispenser now doesn't open until the drying cycle. �There is most of
the dishwasher gel still running down the inside of the door when I
open the dishwasher to empty it. �So, the soap obviously wasn't used
during the wash cycles.

The dispenser door isn't stuck closed because it does open
consistently, but during the dry cycle instead of the wash cycle. �I
rewashed the dishes a second time and it happened both times.

Is there anything I can do to fix this or does it need to repaired by
the technician?

likely bad control board. assuming the door that doesnt open moves
freely. $$$$$

bosch machines clean better and are the quietest dishwashes ever
built.

unfortunately they are the least reliable and most expensive to repair
ever built

nearly all the parts in a bosch that ever fail are located in a pan
thats the entire bottom of the machine......

nice they cant leak, machine has float in base that detects leak and
turns machine off.

unfortunately you must disassemble the entire bottom of the machine to
do much of anything.... including replacing failed float detector
module.

this just makes it being unreliable worse. it makes it very
expensive........

plus most parts are expensive modules $$

please post your experiences so we can compare..........

I tossed my 2 year old bosch in the trash after it broke 3 times in 2
years...... twice out of warranty. consumer reports bosch dead last
for being reliable, they earned that position........

wrote
............................
nearly all the parts in a bosch that ever fail are located in a pan
thats the entire bottom of the machine......
===
Not my experience or the experience of Bosch owners I know.
My high end Bosch always has control board failures
and I can now change it myself in about 10 minutes. Yep--a $150.
part (unless it's within the 5 year warranty on the board--I got three
new ones that way--didn't cost me a dime) and 10 minutes is all it
takes ;-). Oh, and there is that detergent dispenser
door that won't stay closed and the failure of the plastic arm that carries
the water to the top level. They just don't make plastic like they used to.
There's all kinds of stuff that goes bad above that pan.
===

On Dec 25, 2:03�pm, "Gini" wrote:
wrote
...........................
nearly all the parts in a bosch that ever fail are located in a pan
thats the entire bottom of the machine......
===
Not my experience or the experience of Bosch owners I know.
My high end Bosch always has control board failures
and I can now change it myself in about 10 minutes. Yep--a $150.
part �(unless it's within the 5 year warranty on the board--I got three
new ones that way--didn't cost me a dime) and 10 �minutes is all it
takes ;-). Oh, and there is that detergent dispenser
door that won't stay closed and the failure of the plastic arm that carries
the water to the top level. They just don't make plastic like they used to..
There's all kinds of stuff that goes bad above that pan.
===

well when my control board failed 3 days after purchase. sears sent
two guys for 2 hours.

your report of control board failures matches my experience, stuff
should last longer than your boards.

my last failure was a pump, about 200 bucks plus either install myself
or tear the entire bottom apart service quote 500 bucks.

I bought a whirpool for 400 bucks and am pleased.

even the service company said it wasnt wqorth fixing my bosch at 2
years old the pump was out of warranty.

wonder if sears bosch have 5 year warranty, I looked at bosch when
shopping sears bosch machine had one year warranty i think.........

in any case bosch machines appear trouble prone

FL wrote:
I have a Kenmore Elite Dishwasher (which I believe is a rebadged
Bosch) that's about a year or 2 old and I noticed that the soap
dispenser now doesn't open until the drying cycle. There is most of
the dishwasher gel still running down the inside of the door when I
open the dishwasher to empty it. So, the soap obviously wasn't used
during the wash cycles.

The dispenser door isn't stuck closed because it does open
consistently, but during the dry cycle instead of the wash cycle. I
rewashed the dishes a second time and it happened both times.

Is there anything I can do to fix this or does it need to repaired by
the technician?

Forget it. Just chunk one of those solid dishwasher pellets in when you
close the door.

wrote
................................
my last failure was a pump, about 200 bucks plus either install myself
or tear the entire bottom apart service quote 500 bucks.

I bought a whirpool for 400 bucks and am pleased.

even the service company said it wasnt wqorth fixing my bosch at 2
years old the pump was out of warranty.

wonder if sears bosch have 5 year warranty, I looked at bosch when
shopping sears bosch machine had one year warranty i think.....
====
There is a one year warranty on the machine and five years on the board.
At least there was on mine--They may
have changed this--My machine is over five years old now.

On Dec 25, 4:23 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
FL wrote:
I have a Kenmore Elite Dishwasher (which I believe is a rebadged
Bosch) that's about a year or 2 old and I noticed that the soap
dispensernow doesn't open until the drying cycle. There is most of
the dishwasher gel still running down the inside of the door when I
open the dishwasher to empty it. So, the soap obviously wasn't used
during the wash cycles.

Thedispenserdoor isn't stuck closed because it does open
consistently, but during the dry cycle instead of the wash cycle. I
rewashed the dishes a second time and it happened both times.

Is there anything I can do to fix this or does it need to repaired by
the technician?

Forget it. Just chunk one of those solid dishwasher pellets in when you
close the door.

I decided to try resetting it. I couldn't access the power plug so I
went to the circuit breaker and turned it off and on. I ran another
load of dishes and this time there was no soap running down the door,
so it looks like it opened earlier and was washed away.
I also just found out that the Kenmore Elite models have a 2 year
warranty, so it's still under warranty. I'll call them it it happens
again and I'll think of getting an extended warranty for another
couple of years. If it breaks later than that, I'll just replace it
and go with a more reliable model.

The main reason I got this model is because it's supposed to be super
quiet. The wash cycles are almost silent, but I still hear way too
much noise coming out of the sink when it drains the water, so it
wasn't worth paying extra for the quiet dishwasher.
It has a delay program, but I don't use it because there is no pre-
heating and if it starts in the middle of the night, it will be using
cold water in the first cycle until new hot water from the water
heater reaches the kitchen.
Next time I'll get one with water pre-heating and just use delay
start instead of getting a "quiet" dishwasher..

On Wednesday, December 26, 2007 at 7:17:09 PM UTC-6, FL wrote:
On Dec 25, 4:23 pm, "HeyBub" wrote:
FL wrote:
I have a Kenmore Elite Dishwasher (which I believe is a rebadged
Bosch) that's about a year or 2 old and I noticed that the soap
dispensernow doesn't open until the drying cycle. There is most of
the dishwasher gel still running down the inside of the door when I
open the dishwasher to empty it. So, the soap obviously wasn't used
during the wash cycles.

Thedispenserdoor isn't stuck closed because it does open
consistently, but during the dry cycle instead of the wash cycle. I
rewashed the dishes a second time and it happened both times.

Is there anything I can do to fix this or does it need to repaired by
the technician?

Forget it. Just chunk one of those solid dishwasher pellets in when you
close the door.

I decided to try resetting it. I couldn't access the power plug so I
went to the circuit breaker and turned it off and on. I ran another
load of dishes and this time there was no soap running down the door,
so it looks like it opened earlier and was washed away.
I also just found out that the Kenmore Elite models have a 2 year
warranty, so it's still under warranty. I'll call them it it happens
again and I'll think of getting an extended warranty for another
couple of years. If it breaks later than that, I'll just replace it
and go with a more reliable model.

The main reason I got this model is because it's supposed to be super
quiet. The wash cycles are almost silent, but I still hear way too
much noise coming out of the sink when it drains the water, so it
wasn't worth paying extra for the quiet dishwasher.
It has a delay program, but I don't use it because there is no pre-
heating and if it starts in the middle of the night, it will be using
cold water in the first cycle until new hot water from the water
heater reaches the kitchen.
Next time I'll get one with water pre-heating and just use delay
start instead of getting a "quiet" dishwasher..

My Bosch dishwasher also has this problem, I am curious how did you do the reset. Just turn the power on and off?

On 2/14/19 12:14 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, December 26, 2007 at 7:17:09 PM UTC-6, FL wrote:


I decided to try resetting it. I couldn't access the power plug so I
went to the circuit breaker and turned it off and on.

My Bosch dishwasher also has this problem, I am curious how did you do the reset. Just turn the power on and off?



When a device starts acting stupid, turn the circuit breaker of for 60 seconds and then back on. That usually works for me.

On 2/14/2019 5:31 AM, Red Hyman wrote:


When a device starts acting stupid, turn the circuit breaker of for 60
seconds and then back on.Â* That usually works for me.

Didn't work with my kids.

On 2/14/19 9:49 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/14/2019 5:31 AM, Red Hyman wrote:


When a device starts acting stupid, turn the circuit breaker of for 60 seconds and then back on.Â* That usually works for me.

Didn't work with my kids.

Get even with them. Spoil your grandkids. ;-)

On 2/14/2019 5:31 AM, Red Hyman wrote:
On 2/14/19 12:14 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, December 26, 2007 at 7:17:09 PM UTC-6, FL wrote:


I decided to try resetting it.Â* I couldn't access the power plug so I
went to the circuit breaker and turned it off and on.

My Bosch dishwasher also has this problem, I am curious how did you do
the reset. Just turn the power on and off?



When a device starts acting stupid, turn the circuit breaker of for 60
seconds and then back on.Â* That usually works for me.
Unfortunately as micro controllers creep into our appliances, this seems
to happen more and more. Designers don't know how to build fault
tolerant controllers, hence we get these kind of things happening. I
have a fridge that will just shut itself down when there is a power
glitch and you have to do the "reset" thing by powering down for some
time and then power back up. I've gone so far as to buy a controller
that detects a power deviation and removes power from the fridge for a
set amount of time and then restores it. I hope this device doesn't
suffer from the same types of problems.

On 2/15/2019 9:00 AM, Art Todesco wrote:


When a device starts acting stupid, turn the circuit breaker of for 60
seconds and then back on.Â* That usually works for me.
Unfortunately as micro controllers creep into our appliances, this seems
to happen more and more.Â* Designers don't know how to build fault
tolerant controllers, hence we get these kind of things happening.Â* I
have a fridge that will just shut itself down when there is a power
glitch and you have to do the "reset" thing by powering down for some
time and then power back up.Â* I've gone so far as to buy a controller
that detects a power deviation and removes power from the fridge for a
set amount of time and then restores it.Â* I hope this device doesn't
suffer from the same types of problems.

Would a UPS do a similar function so it does not see a power loss? I
have them on the TV because a 1 second power out makes the damned DVR go
through about 8 minutes of start up.

On Friday, February 15, 2019 at 9:25:27 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/15/2019 9:00 AM, Art Todesco wrote:


When a device starts acting stupid, turn the circuit breaker of for 60
seconds and then back on.Â* That usually works for me.
Unfortunately as micro controllers creep into our appliances, this seems
to happen more and more.Â* Designers don't know how to build fault
tolerant controllers, hence we get these kind of things happening.Â* I
have a fridge that will just shut itself down when there is a power
glitch and you have to do the "reset" thing by powering down for some
time and then power back up.Â* I've gone so far as to buy a controller
that detects a power deviation and removes power from the fridge for a
set amount of time and then restores it.Â* I hope this device doesn't
suffer from the same types of problems.

Would a UPS do a similar function so it does not see a power loss? I
have them on the TV because a 1 second power out makes the damned DVR go
through about 8 minutes of start up.

It sounds like it should work. Fortunately these bad actors are fairly rare.
I haven't had any problems that I recall in any of my appliances or devices..
For appliances that are critical, like Art's fridge, there should be a
watchdog timer that kicks in if the microcontroller CPU runs amok. They
rely on the CPU having to write a certain value to a certain location
every X milliseconds. If that doesn't happen, hardware forces a reset.
Sounds like a bad design. Maybe Art should start a website looking for other
people with the same problem and find a lawyer for a class action suit.
Buying a fix is easier, but getting satisfaction against the company might
be worth it.

"Art Todesco" wrote in message
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On 2/14/2019 5:31 AM, Red Hyman wrote:
On 2/14/19 12:14 AM, wrote:
On Wednesday, December 26, 2007 at 7:17:09 PM UTC-6, FL wrote:


I decided to try resetting it. I couldn't access the power plug so I
went to the circuit breaker and turned it off and on.

My Bosch dishwasher also has this problem, I am curious how did you do
the reset. Just turn the power on and off?



When a device starts acting stupid, turn the circuit breaker of for 60
seconds and then back on. That usually works for me.

Unfortunately as micro controllers creep into our appliances, this seems
to happen more and more.

Never happened with any of mine and its
only the toaster that doesnt have one.

Designers don't know how to build fault tolerant controllers,

They clearly do with cars and planes.

hence we get these kind of things happening. I have a fridge that will
just shut itself down when there is a power glitch and you have to do the
"reset" thing by powering down for some time and then power back up.

None of mine do. The most you have to do with
some like the microwaves is reset the time.

I've gone so far as to buy a controller that detects a power deviation and
removes power from the fridge for a set amount of time and then restores
it.

Dont have to with mine.

I hope this device doesn't suffer from the same types of problems.

On 2/15/2019 9:25 AM, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 2/15/2019 9:00 AM, Art Todesco wrote:


When a device starts acting stupid, turn the circuit breaker of for
60 seconds and then back on.Â* That usually works for me.
Unfortunately as micro controllers creep into our appliances, this
seems to happen more and more.Â* Designers don't know how to build
fault tolerant controllers, hence we get these kind of things
happening.Â* I have a fridge that will just shut itself down when there
is a power glitch and you have to do the "reset" thing by powering
down for some time and then power back up.Â* I've gone so far as to buy
a controller that detects a power deviation and removes power from the
fridge for a set amount of time and then restores it.Â* I hope this
device doesn't suffer from the same types of problems.

Would a UPS do a similar function so it does not see a power loss?Â* I
have them on the TV because a 1 second power out makes the damned DVR go
through about 8 minutes of start up.
Most UPSs have a switch over time which is usually very fast. That's
because most electronic stuff (mostly computers) has enough power in
capacitors to keep the power supply going for a short time. Some UPSs
(very few and far between these days) have the output coming from the
inverter all the time with the battery on float, so that if the AC power
stops, the battery continues to supply power to the inverter. Thus
there is no power glitch. This is similar to the systems used in the
telephone company equipment. Also, finding a UPS for a large appliance
like a fridge, might be very expensive. And you have to factor in the
power the appliance needs for startup.