Water and sewer bills dependent on water supply pipe diameter
 

I moved into a new house in northern Indiana and a recent water/sewer bill
was over $100 for only two persons living in the house and not using
excessive amounts of water.

After a check with my neighbors, it appears the city charges WAY more per
cubic foot of water if you have a 1-inch diameter supply pipe coming into
your house (and is where the city metering device is installed) than if a
5/8-inch diameter pipe is supplying the water.

So if two houses both use the same volume of water in a month, if one has a
1-inch supply pipe it is billed almost twice as much as a house with a
5/8-inch supply pipe.

Is it just me, or does seem completely ridiculous to be billed so
differently for the same volume of water?

Bud H

Water and sewer bills dependent on water supply pipe diameter
 

yes, it's rediculous. have them change you to a 5/8 meter. done.

s

"Bud H" wrote in message
. ..
I moved into a new house in northern Indiana and a recent water/sewer bill
was over $100 for only two persons living in the house and not using
excessive amounts of water.

After a check with my neighbors, it appears the city charges WAY more per
cubic foot of water if you have a 1-inch diameter supply pipe coming into
your house (and is where the city metering device is installed) than if a
5/8-inch diameter pipe is supplying the water.

So if two houses both use the same volume of water in a month, if one has
a 1-inch supply pipe it is billed almost twice as much as a house with a
5/8-inch supply pipe.

Is it just me, or does seem completely ridiculous to be billed so
differently for the same volume of water?

Bud H

Water and sewer bills dependent on water supply pipe diameter
 

On Dec 14, 7:41 am, "Bud H" wrote:
I moved into a new house in northern Indiana and a recent water/sewer bill
was over $100 for only two persons living in the house and not using
excessive amounts of water.

After a check with my neighbors, it appears the city charges WAY more per
cubic foot of water if you have a 1-inch diameter supply pipe coming into
your house (and is where the city metering device is installed) than if a
5/8-inch diameter pipe is supplying the water.

So if two houses both use the same volume of water in a month, if one has a
1-inch supply pipe it is billed almost twice as much as a house with a
5/8-inch supply pipe.

Is it just me, or does seem completely ridiculous to be billed so
differently for the same volume of water?

Bud H

It is likely that they are NOT charging you more for the water (in
fact, it might actually be less) but they are charging you more for
the meter. That's common.

Around here, I think a 2" line has a meter charge of about $250 per
month and a 1" has a charge of about $25 per month. We're building
apartments so we went with a 2" meter so the cost per apartment is $15
per apartment per month. What I'm trying to say is that the costs are
all relative, depending on what you need/want.

BTW, I think some local codes require 1" on new residential
construction, so that might be the difference if you house is newer
than you neighbors'.

Water and sewer bills dependent on water supply pipe diameter
 

Pat wrote:

It is likely that they are NOT charging you more for the water (in
fact, it might actually be less) but they are charging you more for
the meter. That's common.

The charge may also reflect peak water demand (flow.) If everyone has
2" pipes, the water supplier needs bigger pipes too. Olde English houses
have 1/4" water supply lines and tanks in the attic, which is handy for
catastrophes, eg firefighting after a blitz.

Nick

Water and sewer bills dependent on water supply pipe diameter
 

wrote in message
...

If everyone has
2" pipes, the water supplier needs bigger pipes too. Olde English houses
have 1/4" water supply lines and tanks in the attic, which is handy for
catastrophes, eg firefighting after a blitz.

My father's house in suburban London was equipped
thus. Traditional in red brick architecture, no one called
it "olde" when brand new in 1938.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

Water and sewer bills dependent on water supply pipe diameter
 

On Dec 14, 10:06 am, "Don Phillipson"
wrote:
wrote in message

...

If everyone has
2" pipes, the water supplier needs bigger pipes too. Olde English houses
have 1/4" water supply lines and tanks in the attic, which is handy for
catastrophes, eg firefighting after a blitz.

My father's house in suburban London was equipped
thus. Traditional in red brick architecture, no one called
it "olde" when brand new in 1938.

--
Don Phillipson
Carlsbad Springs
(Ottawa, Canada)

Gee, I'm building 8-plex apartments and we're running a 4" into them.
Now THAT's water !!!

Water and sewer bills dependent on water supply pipe diameter
 

On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:23:19 -0800, "Cshenk"
wrote:

"Bud H" wrote
After a check with my neighbors, it appears the city charges WAY more per
cubic foot of water if you have a 1-inch diameter supply pipe coming into
your house (and is where the city metering device is installed) than if a
5/8-inch diameter pipe is supplying the water.

Could be related to pressure issues maybe? You neighbors may not have the
full story. Try calling the water company and asking?

Here's another odd one you can come into. Once when renting, I was just
over the city line and had to pay extra as compared to my next door
neighbor. Had to do with x number miles from the city line. As I was right
along the line, it wasnt much but that extra 15$ a month puzzled us both til
I called. I was careful on how I asked as I was a duplex and didnt want
them to charge my neighbor too. I was right, had i mentioned that, they too
would have been assessed the extra. Wierd but legal there.



Our water is purchased from the city. They add other charges to the
water bill including trash collection and sewer. The sewer is double
the price of the water, which means that if you use $100 worth of
water to water your garden/lawn you will pay $200 in sewer charges! It
saves a lot to plant draught-resistant grasses and plants. I agree
with asking your water billing department. Obvious, but also ask how
you can reduce your water bill.

Water and sewer bills dependent on water supply pipe diameter
 

on 12/14/2007 7:55 AM S. Barker said the following:
yes, it's rediculous. have them change you to a 5/8 meter. done.


In many locations, this would be 'YOU' install and pay for a different
connection.

s

"Bud H" wrote in message
. ..

I moved into a new house in northern Indiana and a recent water/sewer bill
was over $100 for only two persons living in the house and not using
excessive amounts of water.

After a check with my neighbors, it appears the city charges WAY more per
cubic foot of water if you have a 1-inch diameter supply pipe coming into
your house (and is where the city metering device is installed) than if a
5/8-inch diameter pipe is supplying the water.

So if two houses both use the same volume of water in a month, if one has
a 1-inch supply pipe it is billed almost twice as much as a house with a
5/8-inch supply pipe.

Is it just me, or does seem completely ridiculous to be billed so
differently for the same volume of water?

Bud H







--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

Water and sewer bills dependent on water supply pipe diameter
 

on 12/14/2007 2:32 PM Phisherman said the following:
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:23:19 -0800, "Cshenk"
wrote:


"Bud H" wrote

After a check with my neighbors, it appears the city charges WAY more per
cubic foot of water if you have a 1-inch diameter supply pipe coming into
your house (and is where the city metering device is installed) than if a
5/8-inch diameter pipe is supplying the water.

Could be related to pressure issues maybe? You neighbors may not have the
full story. Try calling the water company and asking?

Here's another odd one you can come into. Once when renting, I was just
over the city line and had to pay extra as compared to my next door
neighbor. Had to do with x number miles from the city line. As I was right
along the line, it wasnt much but that extra 15$ a month puzzled us both til
I called. I was careful on how I asked as I was a duplex and didnt want
them to charge my neighbor too. I was right, had i mentioned that, they too
would have been assessed the extra. Wierd but legal there.




Our water is purchased from the city. They add other charges to the
water bill including trash collection and sewer. The sewer is double
the price of the water, which means that if you use $100 worth of
water to water your garden/lawn you will pay $200 in sewer charges! It
saves a lot to plant draught-resistant grasses and plants. I agree
with asking your water billing department. Obvious, but also ask how
you can reduce your water bill.


Ah, the benefits of having a well and septic system.

--

Bill
In Hamptonburgh, NY
To email, remove the double zeroes after @

Water and sewer bills dependent on water supply pipe diameter
 

"Phisherman" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007 14:23:19 -0800, "Cshenk"
wrote:

"Bud H" wrote
After a check with my neighbors, it appears the city charges WAY more per
cubic foot of water if you have a 1-inch diameter supply pipe coming into
your house (and is where the city metering device is installed) than if a
5/8-inch diameter pipe is supplying the water.

Could be related to pressure issues maybe? You neighbors may not have the
full story. Try calling the water company and asking?

Here's another odd one you can come into. Once when renting, I was just
over the city line and had to pay extra as compared to my next door
neighbor. Had to do with x number miles from the city line. As I was right
along the line, it wasnt much but that extra 15$ a month puzzled us both til
I called. I was careful on how I asked as I was a duplex and didnt want
them to charge my neighbor too. I was right, had i mentioned that, they too
would have been assessed the extra. Wierd but legal there.



Our water is purchased from the city. They add other charges to the
water bill including trash collection and sewer. The sewer is double
the price of the water, which means that if you use $100 worth of
water to water your garden/lawn you will pay $200 in sewer charges! It
saves a lot to plant draught-resistant grasses and plants. I agree
with asking your water billing department. Obvious, but also ask how
you can reduce your water bill.

In Seattle, the sewer bill is based on the low 3 months water usage, so they are
not calculating in summer watering.

Water and sewer bills dependent on water supply pipe diameter
 

"Bud H" wrote
After a check with my neighbors, it appears the city charges WAY more per
cubic foot of water if you have a 1-inch diameter supply pipe coming into
your house (and is where the city metering device is installed) than if a
5/8-inch diameter pipe is supplying the water.

Could be related to pressure issues maybe? You neighbors may not have the
full story. Try calling the water company and asking?

Here's another odd one you can come into. Once when renting, I was just
over the city line and had to pay extra as compared to my next door
neighbor. Had to do with x number miles from the city line. As I was right
along the line, it wasnt much but that extra 15$ a month puzzled us both til
I called. I was careful on how I asked as I was a duplex and didnt want
them to charge my neighbor too. I was right, had i mentioned that, they too
would have been assessed the extra. Wierd but legal there.

Water and sewer bills dependent on water supply pipe diameter
 

On Dec 14, 5:41 am, "Bud H" wrote:


After a check with my neighbors, it appears the city charges WAY more per
cubic foot of water if you have a 1-inch diameter supply pipe coming into
your house (and is where the city metering device is installed) than if a
5/8-inch diameter pipe is supplying the water.


My local utility (Phoenix AZ area) charges the same rate for the
water, regardless of meter size. Although you do pay a usage penalty,
your 2nd 10000 gallons of water costs more than the first 10000. The
difference in the meter size comes into the base charge. With a 5/8 or
3/4 meter, you pay $13 flat fee plus your usage charge - 1 inch meter
costs $20 plus usage - 2 inch meter costs $65 plus usage.

Can't imagine why the usage rate would change with the meter size,
that doesn't make sense.

You sure you don't have a leak somewhere? Have you compared the
gallons used with your neighbors?


Jerry

Water and sewer bills dependent on water supply pipe diameter
 

After a check with my neighbors, it appears the city charges WAY more per
cubic foot of water if you have a 1-inch diameter supply pipe coming into
your house (and is where the city metering device is installed) than if a
5/8-inch diameter pipe is supplying the water.

Could be related to pressure issues maybe? You neighbors may not have the
full story. Try calling the water company and asking?

This is a pretty common scheme in the US. It's a back door way into progressive
water rates, i.e. you can afford to pay more, so we're going to bill you more.

In most communities, the water itself is free. The costs that have to be
recovered are the distribution and replacement costs and those are generally
fixed (unrelated to the amount of water used).

Larger (ie more expensive) houses and businesses tend to have larger supply
lines, so they get hit with higher costs.

--
"Tell me what I should do, Annie."
"Stay. Here. Forever." - Life On Mars

Water and sewer bills dependent on water supply pipe diameter
 

Bud H wrote:
I moved into a new house in northern Indiana and a recent water/sewer
bill was over $100 for only two persons living in the house and not
using excessive amounts of water.

After a check with my neighbors, it appears the city charges WAY more
per cubic foot of water if you have a 1-inch diameter supply pipe
coming into your house (and is where the city metering device is
installed) than if a 5/8-inch diameter pipe is supplying the water.

So if two houses both use the same volume of water in a month, if one
has a 1-inch supply pipe it is billed almost twice as much as a house
with a 5/8-inch supply pipe.

Is it just me, or does seem completely ridiculous to be billed so
differently for the same volume of water?

Bud H

Offer that you will pay his ENTIRE water bill, if your neighbor will let you
tap into his supply line. Or offer to give him $50/month. Then have your
water service disconnected.

You both come out ahead; only the avaricious city loses.

Water and sewer bills dependent on water supply pipe diameter
 

"Cshenk" wrote in message
...
"Bud H" wrote
After a check with my neighbors, it appears the city charges WAY more per
cubic foot of water if you have a 1-inch diameter supply pipe coming into
your house (and is where the city metering device is installed) than if a
5/8-inch diameter pipe is supplying the water.

Could be related to pressure issues maybe? You neighbors may not have the
full story. Try calling the water company and asking?

Here's another odd one you can come into. Once when renting, I was just
over the city line and had to pay extra as compared to my next door
neighbor. Had to do with x number miles from the city line. As I was
right along the line, it wasnt much but that extra 15$ a month puzzled us
both til I called. I was careful on how I asked as I was a duplex and
didnt want them to charge my neighbor too. I was right, had i mentioned
that, they too would have been assessed the extra. Wierd but legal there.


Not only am I getting charged extra for the 1-inch supply pipe, but because
I am 100 yards over the city line, I have to pay 20% more......good
grief.....

Bud H