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In 1950 or 51 my parents bought a 1950 Zenith tv console with record
player and am-fm radio. I know they paid a lot of money for it and had to save for a long time. I watched this tv as a young boy and for years. In later years they got a color tv and this one went into their basement rec room. Eventually it quit working but was used as a bench, and fortunately was not thrown away. When I was in my 20's my father was going to toss it in the garbage but I was playing with a lot of electronics at the time and I fixed it with some tubes and if I recall, some new filter capacitors. It worked for several years after that. Eventually I inherited it when I got my own place, and I replaced some tubes and used it for a few years until I got a color tv. However, I kept this set and intended to completely rebuild it. Its been in my basement for years and I could never toss it. A few years ago I plugged it in and the radio worked fine, record player worked (but who uses records any more), but the tv had a noticable hi voltage leak, so I shut it off. Since then I have planned to restore it as an antique. It has lots of memories attached. I do believe the tv portion needs something more than tubes by now, but I planned to restore it anyhow. That was until recently when I found out they are going to completely eliminate analog tv stations and switch everything to digital. That's why I am ****ed off. Even if I restore this old tv, there will no longer be anything to watch on it. I know there will be converters for newer tvs, but I doubt it will work on an old set like that, since there are no input jacks. It looks like anyone that collects antique tvs will no longer be able to watch them. As always, the government is screwing up our lives, but thats nothing new. Hell, tv frequencies have been the same ever since the beginning of tv itself, but now that we entered the 21st century everything is changing so fast one can no longer keep up. This really does **** me off. Maybe it's my age, but why cant they just leave things be. Pretty soon anyone over the age of 12 will be obsolete and rendered useless. New technology is great for those who want it, but why cant they leave the old stuff alone. It's history and it's well established and is part of our culture. Cant the government just leave us alone for once and stop screwing up our world. I'll admit that when color tv first came out I thought it was the greatest thing, but now it's fun to see an old B&W tv still working. You can see a picture of this tv he http://www.tvhistory.tv/1950-Zenith-G2957R.JPG By the way, this console has a special plug for "video phone". This was way ahead of it's time, and never was used. It's a great set and a nice cabinet either way, but I guess there's no sense fixing the tv part anymore. Alvin |
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wrote in message news In 1950 or 51 my parents bought a 1950 Zenith tv console with record player and am-fm radio. I know they paid a lot of money for it and had to save for a long time. I watched this tv as a young boy and for years. In later years they got a color tv and this one went into their basement rec room. Eventually it quit working but was used as a bench, and fortunately was not thrown away. When I was in my 20's my father was going to toss it in the garbage but I was playing with a lot of electronics at the time and I fixed it with some tubes and if I recall, some new filter capacitors. It worked for several years after that. Eventually I inherited it when I got my own place, and I replaced some tubes and used it for a few years until I got a color tv. However, I kept this set and intended to completely rebuild it. Its been in my basement for years and I could never toss it. A few years ago I plugged it in and the radio worked fine, record player worked (but who uses records any more), but the tv had a noticable hi voltage leak, so I shut it off. Since then I have planned to restore it as an antique. It has lots of memories attached. I do believe the tv portion needs something more than tubes by now, but I planned to restore it anyhow. That was until recently when I found out they are going to completely eliminate analog tv stations and switch everything to digital. That's why I am ****ed off. Even if I restore this old tv, there will no longer be anything to watch on it. I know there will be converters for newer tvs, but I doubt it will work on an old set like that, since there are no input jacks. It looks like anyone that collects antique tvs will no longer be able to watch them. As always, the government is screwing up our lives, but thats nothing new. Hell, tv frequencies have been the same ever since the beginning of tv itself, but now that we entered the 21st century everything is changing so fast one can no longer keep up. This really does **** me off. Maybe it's my age, but why cant they just leave things be. Pretty soon anyone over the age of 12 will be obsolete and rendered useless. New technology is great for those who want it, but why cant they leave the old stuff alone. It's history and it's well established and is part of our culture. Cant the government just leave us alone for once and stop screwing up our world. I'll admit that when color tv first came out I thought it was the greatest thing, but now it's fun to see an old B&W tv still working. You can see a picture of this tv he http://www.tvhistory.tv/1950-Zenith-G2957R.JPG By the way, this console has a special plug for "video phone". This was way ahead of it's time, and never was used. It's a great set and a nice cabinet either way, but I guess there's no sense fixing the tv part anymore. Alvin They will work the same way as they do now with cable. A simple 75ohm antenna to coax adapter. |
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"AZ Nomad" wrote in message ... On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:14:01 -0600, wrote: In 1950 or 51 my parents bought a 1950 Zenith tv console with record player and am-fm radio. I know they paid a lot of money for it and had to save for a long time. I watched this tv as a young boy and for years. In later years they got a color tv and this one went into ... ... it as an antique. It has lots of memories attached. I do believe the tv portion needs something more than tubes by now, but I planned to restore it anyhow. That was until recently when I found out they are going to completely eliminate analog tv stations and switch everything to digital. That's why I am ****ed off. Even if I restore this old Use an external tuner, moron. i don't know what's worse, spammers or pricks like you? |
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wrote: In 1950 or 51 my parents bought a 1950 Zenith tv console with record player and am-fm radio. I know they paid a lot of money for it and had to save for a long time. I watched this tv as a young boy and for years. In later years they got a color tv and this one went into their basement rec room. Eventually it quit working but was used as a bench, and fortunately was not thrown away. When I was in my 20's my father was going to toss it in the garbage but I was playing with a lot of electronics at the time and I fixed it with some tubes and if I recall, some new filter capacitors. It worked for several years after that. Eventually I inherited it when I got my own place, and I replaced some tubes and used it for a few years until I got a color tv. However, I kept this set and intended to completely rebuild it. Its been in my basement for years and I could never toss it. A few years ago I plugged it in and the radio worked fine, record player worked (but who uses records any more), but the tv had a noticable hi voltage leak, so I shut it off. Since then I have planned to restore it as an antique. It has lots of memories attached. I do believe the tv portion needs something more than tubes by now, but I planned to restore it anyhow. That was until recently when I found out they are going to completely eliminate analog tv stations and switch everything to digital. That's why I am ****ed off. Even if I restore this old tv, there will no longer be anything to watch on it. I know there will be converters for newer tvs, but I doubt it will work on an old set like that, since there are no input jacks. It looks like anyone that collects antique tvs will no longer be able to watch them. As always, the government is screwing up our lives, but thats nothing new. Hell, tv frequencies have been the same ever since the beginning of tv itself, but now that we entered the 21st century everything is changing so fast one can no longer keep up. This really does **** me off. Maybe it's my age, but why cant they just leave things be. Pretty soon anyone over the age of 12 will be obsolete and rendered useless. New technology is great for those who want it, but why cant they leave the old stuff alone. It's history and it's well established and is part of our culture. Cant the government just leave us alone for once and stop screwing up our world. I'll admit that when color tv first came out I thought it was the greatest thing, but now it's fun to see an old B&W tv still working. You can see a picture of this tv he http://www.tvhistory.tv/1950-Zenith-G2957R.JPG By the way, this console has a special plug for "video phone". This was way ahead of it's time, and never was used. It's a great set and a nice cabinet either way, but I guess there's no sense fixing the tv part anymore. Alvin Do we have to have this conversation every single month? Your TV will work fine unless you hook it up to an antenna. Cable, VCR, DVD player, will all work exactly the way they do now. So fix it already. |
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On Nov 7, 8:14 am, wrote:
In 1950 or 51 my parents bought a 1950 Zenith tv console with record player and am-fm radio. I know they paid a lot of money for it and had to save for a long time. I watched this tv as a young boy and for years. In later years they got a color tv and this one went into their basement rec room. Eventually it quit working but was used as a bench, and fortunately was not thrown away. When I was in my 20's my father was going to toss it in the garbage but I was playing with a lot of electronics at the time and I fixed it with some tubes and if I recall, some new filter capacitors. It worked for several years after that. Eventually I inherited it when I got my own place, and I replaced some tubes and used it for a few years until I got a color tv. However, I kept this set and intended to completely rebuild it. Its been in my basement for years and I could never toss it. A few years ago I plugged it in and the radio worked fine, record player worked (but who uses records any more), but the tv had a noticable hi voltage leak, so I shut it off. Since then I have planned to restore it as an antique. It has lots of memories attached. I do believe the tv portion needs something more than tubes by now, but I planned to restore it anyhow. That was until recently when I found out they are going to completely eliminate analog tv stations and switch everything to digital. That's why I am ****ed off. Even if I restore this old tv, there will no longer be anything to watch on it. I know there will be converters for newer tvs, but I doubt it will work on an old set like that, since there are no input jacks. It looks like anyone that collects antique tvs will no longer be able to watch them. As always, the government is screwing up our lives, but thats nothing new. Hell, tv frequencies have been the same ever since the beginning of tv itself, but now that we entered the 21st century everything is changing so fast one can no longer keep up. This really does **** me off. Maybe it's my age, but why cant they just leave things be. Pretty soon anyone over the age of 12 will be obsolete and rendered useless. New technology is great for those who want it, but why cant they leave the old stuff alone. It's history and it's well established and is part of our culture. Cant the government just leave us alone for once and stop screwing up our world. I'll admit that when color tv first came out I thought it was the greatest thing, but now it's fun to see an old B&W tv still working. You can see a picture of this tv hehttp://www.tvhistory.tv/1950-Zenith-G2957R.JPG By the way, this console has a special plug for "video phone". This was way ahead of it's time, and never was used. It's a great set and a nice cabinet either way, but I guess there's no sense fixing the tv part anymore. Alvin Alvin, If you like TV, get yourself infront of an HD TV that picks up HD over the air. you'll stop compaining in a hearbeat. the quality difference between tv and HDTV is amazing! I'm glad the switch is on, and I wish that the Canadian Gov was moving in the same direction. your old TV will still work in range of Canadian TV stations, they are not switching yet. |
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Hey, you hooked a bunch of people with your troll!
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restore it anyhow. That was until recently when I found out they are going to completely eliminate analog tv stations and switch everything to digital. That's why I am ****ed off. Even if I restore this old tv, there will no longer be anything to watch on it. I know there will be converters for newer tvs, but I doubt it will work on an old set like that, since there are no input jacks. It looks like anyone that collects antique tvs will no longer be able to watch them. As always, the government is screwing up our lives, but thats nothing new. Hell, tv frequencies have been the same ever since the beginning of tv itself, but now that we entered the 21st century everything is changing so fast one can no longer keep up. This really does **** me off. It helps if you have the correct information, rather than going on what you think you know. You will be able to hook up the digital-to-analogue converter to an existing analogue tv by a number of options. One option is to use an antenna adaptor connected to the old fashioned antenna flat-wire connector. http://www.dtvtransition.org/downloa...verter_qsg.pdf Sorry to spoil your '**** me off' mood. -- Dave www.davebbq.com |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:14:01 -0600, wrote:
In 1950 or 51 my parents bought a 1950 Zenith tv console with record player and am-fm radio. I know they paid a lot of money for it and had to save for a long time. I watched this tv as a young boy and for years. In later years they got a color tv and this one went into their basement rec room. Eventually it quit working but was used as a bench, and fortunately was not thrown away. When I was in my 20's my father was going to toss it in the garbage but I was playing with a lot of electronics at the time and I fixed it with some tubes and if I recall, some new filter capacitors. It worked for several years after that. Eventually I inherited it when I got my own place, and I replaced some tubes and used it for a few years until I got a color tv. However, I kept this set and intended to completely rebuild it. Its been in my basement for years and I could never toss it. A few years ago I plugged it in and the radio worked fine, record player worked (but who uses records any more), but the tv had a noticable hi voltage leak, so I shut it off. Since then I have planned to restore it as an antique. It has lots of memories attached. I do believe the tv portion needs something more than tubes by now, but I planned to restore it anyhow. That was until recently when I found out they are going to completely eliminate analog tv stations and switch everything to digital. That's why I am ****ed off. Even if I restore this old tv, there will no longer be anything to watch on it. I know there will be converters for newer tvs, but I doubt it will work on an old set like that, since there are no input jacks. It looks like anyone that collects antique tvs will no longer be able to watch them. As always, the government is screwing up our lives, but thats nothing new. Hell, tv frequencies have been the same ever since the beginning of tv itself, but now that we entered the 21st century everything is changing so fast one can no longer keep up. This really does **** me off. Maybe it's my age, but why cant they just leave things be. Pretty soon anyone over the age of 12 will be obsolete and rendered useless. New technology is great for those who want it, but why cant they leave the old stuff alone. It's history and it's well established and is part of our culture. Cant the government just leave us alone for once and stop screwing up our world. I'll admit that when color tv first came out I thought it was the greatest thing, but now it's fun to see an old B&W tv still working. You can see a picture of this tv he http://www.tvhistory.tv/1950-Zenith-G2957R.JPG By the way, this console has a special plug for "video phone". This was way ahead of it's time, and never was used. It's a great set and a nice cabinet either way, but I guess there's no sense fixing the tv part anymore. Alvin You can always use the TV for playing VCR tapes or DVDs. The hi-def screens are so much better than CRTs. That's progress. I'm sure you can recycle the cabinet and use it for a piece of furniture. |
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Is this the console that was blonde in color. It had double doors in
the front that were bent. The speaker was downward mounted on the bottom right. The FM dial was vertical on the left with the record player, TV on the right. You didn't have one of these, did you? |
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You won't need one for a year or so, but it looks like ATSC to NTSC
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 07:17:18 -0800, Zephyr
wrote: [snip] Alvin, If you like TV, get yourself infront of an HD TV that picks up HD over the air. you'll stop compaining in a hearbeat. the quality difference between tv and HDTV is amazing! I'm glad the switch is on, and I wish that the Canadian Gov was moving in the same direction. [snip] Yes, it's better. I can look at a HD picture and it's perfectly steady, unlike NTSC which is always wiggling around like you're drunk. Also, the color is much better. BTW, one of the first things I saw in HD was Harry Potter and the Sorcerer's Stone (the first movie). It has some really nice outdoor scenes. -- 48 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has no place in the curriculum of our nation's public school classes." -- Ted Kennedy |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:58:43 GMT, "Toller" wrote:
Hey, you hooked a bunch of people with your troll! (God, I hope it was a troll...) With no indication of WHO you're talking about. Maybe you just don't like people... |
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"Harry" wrote in message news On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:58:43 GMT, "Toller" wrote: Hey, you hooked a bunch of people with your troll! (God, I hope it was a troll...) With no indication of WHO you're talking about. Maybe you just don't like people... And maybe you are a moron. |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 16:59:47 -0500, wrote:
Is this the console that was blonde in color. It had double doors in the front that were bent. The speaker was downward mounted on the bottom right. The FM dial was vertical on the left with the record player, TV on the right. You didn't have one of these, did you? Nope If you missed this link in my original post, heres a picture of one. I like this website, it's got pics and info for almost every tv ever made. http://www.tvhistory.tv/1950-Zenith-G2957R.JPG Someone suggested removing the innards and using the cabinet. I came close to doing that once, but am glad I didn't. I want it original, and I love old tube stuff. Thats when they really built stuff. The main problem with that stuff are the old caps. I actually did remove the record player years ago and put a modern record player in it, but I kept the old one, and now it's back. That small round picture was actually quite clear for it's age. This was a well made set. |
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 17:22:07 -0600, "HeyBub" wrote:
wrote: In 1950 or 51 my parents bought a 1950 Zenith tv console with record player and am-fm radio. I know they paid a lot of money for it and had to save for a long time. I watched this tv as a young boy and for years. In later years they got a color tv and this one went into their basement rec room. Eventually it quit working but was used as a bench, and fortunately was not thrown away. When I was in my 20's my father was going to toss it in the garbage but I was playing with a lot of electronics at the time and I fixed it with some tubes and if I recall, some new filter capacitors. It worked for several years after that. Eventually I inherited it when I got my own place, and I replaced some tubes and used it for a few years until I got a color tv. However, I kept this set and intended to completely rebuild it. Its been in my basement for years and I could never toss it. A few years ago I plugged it in and the radio worked fine, record player worked (but who uses records any more), but the tv had a noticable hi voltage leak, so I shut it off. Since then I have planned to restore it as an antique. It has lots of memories attached. I do believe the tv portion needs something more than tubes by now, but I planned to restore it anyhow. That was until recently when I found out they are going to completely eliminate analog tv stations and switch everything to digital. That's why I am ****ed off. Even if I restore this old tv, there will no longer be anything to watch on it. I know there will be converters for newer tvs, but I doubt it will work on an old set like that, since there are no input jacks. It looks like anyone that collects antique tvs will no longer be able to watch them. As always, the government is screwing up our lives, but thats nothing new. Hell, tv frequencies have been the same ever since the beginning of tv itself, but now that we entered the 21st century everything is changing so fast one can no longer keep up. This really does **** me off. Maybe it's my age, but why cant they just leave things be. Pretty soon anyone over the age of 12 will be obsolete and rendered useless. New technology is great for those who want it, but why cant they leave the old stuff alone. It's history and it's well established and is part of our culture. Cant the government just leave us alone for once and stop screwing up our world. I'll admit that when color tv first came out I thought it was the greatest thing, but now it's fun to see an old B&W tv still working. As you said: "Who uses records anymore?" Well, who uses black-and-white TV? Donate the thing to the Smithsonian and take a tax deduction. Actually I have lots of records, but I wont play them on this old player because the needle was heavy and hard on them. I still play records at times but use a modern player with light stylus. Since all I watch are old westerns and other older stuff, much if not most of its in B&W anyhow. It's just that I now watch on a dvd or vcr. The younger generation seems to think anything old is junk, however being old myself, I appreciate the stuff, and it was quality made too. Thats why this old set can still be usable with a few repairs after 60 years. You wont find any of todays stuff still working in 60 years. Our younger generation seems to think everything needs to be replaced every 2 to 5 years, and that's exactly what the manufacturers want. But I'll leave all the debt to them, and many of them will never get out of debt. Myself, everything is paid for except my last phone bill.which I forgot to pay last week. I appreciate this old tv which I watched as a child, as well as I still use my 8 year old computer with Win98. I dont need to keep up with the Jonses to prove anything to anyone. |
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wrote in message New technology is great for those who want it, but why cant they leave the old stuff alone. It's history and it's well established and is part of our culture. Cant the government just leave us alone for once and stop screwing up our world. I'll admit that when color tv first came out I thought it was the greatest thing, but now it's fun to see an old B&W tv still working. Some of us want to move ahead. Just like computers, indoor plumbing and central heat. When that TV came on the market, some idiot probably complained it was going to ruin radio and progress should be stopped. Bring back vaudeville! I love my HDTV |
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:19:02 -0500, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote: wrote in message New technology is great for those who want it, but why cant they leave the old stuff alone. It's history and it's well established and is part of our culture. Cant the government just leave us alone for once and stop screwing up our world. I'll admit that when color tv first came out I thought it was the greatest thing, but now it's fun to see an old B&W tv still working. Some of us want to move ahead. Just like computers, indoor plumbing and central heat. I have all of the above (plus a wood furnace) !!!!! And I was one of the first people to have a computer back when they were all run on Dos. I like the computer but I dont need to upgrade every year. My win98 works fine and is far less trouble than any newer OS. Actually this computer came with Win2K installed but I hated it so I downgraded to what I liked. When that TV came on the market, some idiot probably complained it was going to ruin radio and progress should be stopped. Bring back vaudeville! I wish they would bring back vaudeville, its better than most of the garbage they call tv and movies today. I remember when tv had humor unlike today when we have all these "reality" shows that mostly suck. Soap Operas that are not worth the electricity to run the tv, Violence, more violence, and even most of the so called comedians these days are not funny at all. The Craig Ferguson is one prime example. After watching about 10 of his shows, I have never laughed yet, not even one small chuckle. I stopped watching him after that. It's no wonder we have so many problems in society. Give me the good old days when people were free and happy, and cared more for each other than trying to impress others with what they own. I love my HDTV Great, now tell me how many years will you be in debt for it, and what high interest you have to pay? I like my $89 - 20" flat screen crt color tv that I bought about 2 years ago and is all I need. Of course in a little over a year it will go blank. We dont get cable here in the rural areas. But I still have my dvd and vcr. Mostly just the news and weather I will miss. Of course if I find one of them converters for $20 or less, I may get one. Of course one means I will have to keep moving it from set to set, and the vcr tuner still wont work without yet another converter. |
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wrote in message I love my HDTV Great, now tell me how many years will you be in debt for it, and what high interest you have to pay? Sorry to disappoint you, but I paid cash, $1300 three years ago. Add another $100 for the wood as I built my own solid oak furniture grade stand for it. |
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On Nov 7, 7:14 am, wrote:
In 1950 or 51 my parents bought a 1950 Zenith tv console with record player and am-fm radio. I know they paid a lot of money for it and had to save for a long time. I watched this tv as a young boy and for years. In later years they got a color tv and this one went into their basement rec room. Eventually it quit working but was used as a bench, and fortunately was not thrown away. When I was in my 20's my father was going to toss it in the garbage but I was playing with a lot of electronics at the time and I fixed it with some tubes and if I recall, some new filter capacitors. It worked for several years after that. Eventually I inherited it when I got my own place, and I replaced some tubes and used it for a few years until I got a color tv. However, I kept this set and intended to completely rebuild it. Its been in my basement for years and I could never toss it. A few years ago I plugged it in and the radio worked fine, record player worked (but who uses records any more), but the tv had a noticable hi voltage leak, so I shut it off. Since then I have planned to restore it as an antique. It has lots of memories attached. I do believe the tv portion needs something more than tubes by now, but I planned to restore it anyhow. That was until recently when I found out they are going to completely eliminate analog tv stations and switch everything to digital. That's why I am ****ed off. Even if I restore this old tv, there will no longer be anything to watch on it. I know there will be converters for newer tvs, but I doubt it will work on an old set like that, since there are no input jacks. It looks like anyone that collects antique tvs will no longer be able to watch them. As always, the government is screwing up our lives, but thats nothing new. Hell, tv frequencies have been the same ever since the beginning of tv itself, but now that we entered the 21st century everything is changing so fast one can no longer keep up. This really does **** me off. Maybe it's my age, but why cant they just leave things be. Pretty soon anyone over the age of 12 will be obsolete and rendered useless. New technology is great for those who want it, but why cant they leave the old stuff alone. It's history and it's well established and is part of our culture. Cant the government just leave us alone for once and stop screwing up our world. I'll admit that when color tv first came out I thought it was the greatest thing, but now it's fun to see an old B&W tv still working. You can see a picture of this tv hehttp://www.tvhistory.tv/1950-Zenith-G2957R.JPG By the way, this console has a special plug for "video phone". This was way ahead of it's time, and never was used. It's a great set and a nice cabinet either way, but I guess there's no sense fixing the tv part anymore. Alvin This set is very worthy of restoration, if you really want to do it, you will. Post it here and get an evaluation: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...o+phono/topics BTW you can always get an RF modulator and go into channel 3 or 4, considering how dirty the old tuner probably is, this would be an added bonus to not have to use the original tuner. The picture tube could also be going dim and you will have a hard time finding a new pix tube, you might find one of those in-line "brighteners" but those will shorten any last life in the pix tube electron gun. Most all of the other parts are readily available or have substitutes. |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:13:51 -0800, RickH
wrote: On Nov 7, 7:14 am, wrote: In 1950 or 51 my parents bought a 1950 Zenith tv console with record player and am-fm radio. I know they paid a lot of money for it and had to save for a long time. I watched this tv as a young boy and for years. In later years they got a color tv and this one went into their basement rec room. Eventually it quit working but was used as a bench, and fortunately was not thrown away. When I was in my 20's my father was going to toss it in the garbage but I was playing with a lot of electronics at the time and I fixed it with some tubes and if I recall, some new filter capacitors. It worked for several years after that. Eventually I inherited it when I got my own place, and I replaced some tubes and used it for a few years until I got a color tv. However, I kept this set and intended to completely rebuild it. Its been in my basement for years and I could never toss it. A few years ago I plugged it in and the radio worked fine, record player worked (but who uses records any more), but the tv had a noticable hi voltage leak, so I shut it off. Since then I have planned to restore it as an antique. It has lots of memories attached. I do believe the tv portion needs something more than tubes by now, but I planned to restore it anyhow. That was until recently when I found out they are going to completely eliminate analog tv stations and switch everything to digital. That's why I am ****ed off. Even if I restore this old tv, there will no longer be anything to watch on it. I know there will be converters for newer tvs, but I doubt it will work on an old set like that, since there are no input jacks. It looks like anyone that collects antique tvs will no longer be able to watch them. As always, the government is screwing up our lives, but thats nothing new. Hell, tv frequencies have been the same ever since the beginning of tv itself, but now that we entered the 21st century everything is changing so fast one can no longer keep up. This really does **** me off. Maybe it's my age, but why cant they just leave things be. Pretty soon anyone over the age of 12 will be obsolete and rendered useless. New technology is great for those who want it, but why cant they leave the old stuff alone. It's history and it's well established and is part of our culture. Cant the government just leave us alone for once and stop screwing up our world. I'll admit that when color tv first came out I thought it was the greatest thing, but now it's fun to see an old B&W tv still working. You can see a picture of this tv hehttp://www.tvhistory.tv/1950-Zenith-G2957R.JPG By the way, this console has a special plug for "video phone". This was way ahead of it's time, and never was used. It's a great set and a nice cabinet either way, but I guess there's no sense fixing the tv part anymore. Alvin This set is very worthy of restoration, if you really want to do it, you will. Post it here and get an evaluation: http://groups.google.com/group/rec.a...o+phono/topics BTW you can always get an RF modulator and go into channel 3 or 4, considering how dirty the old tuner probably is, this would be an added bonus to not have to use the original tuner. The picture tube could also be going dim and you will have a hard time finding a new pix tube, you might find one of those in-line "brighteners" but those will shorten any last life in the pix tube electron gun. Most all of the other parts are readily available or have substitutes. Thanks I like that site. Lots of interesting stuff. The picture tube on this set was always good. The tuner was flakey, I think thats the most common problem on all older sets. I have sprayed it several times already. I guess when a picture tube goes, it's over for most tvs. I remember having a color set in the 60's who's pic tube died. I saved the chassis always hoping to find a replacement tube. I just pulled the small tubes and threw that chassis in the trash a couple years ago. The old color tvs were really expensive and were worth fixing, but no longer. Only the real antiques, like my old Zenith are worth the effort now. |
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:54:51 -0500, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote: wrote in message I love my HDTV Great, now tell me how many years will you be in debt for it, and what high interest you have to pay? Sorry to disappoint you, but I paid cash, $1300 three years ago. Add another $100 for the wood as I built my own solid oak furniture grade stand for it. We're all different.... If you can justify that kind of money for a tv, thats great. To me, anything much over $100 is too much. To me, a tv is just something to catch the news and weather and watch an occasional tape or dvd. Even if I could get cable, I wouldnt spend no $50 or more per month. That's just my preference. I'd rather spend the money on other things that I get more enjoyment from. I can watch a movie on a 12 inch tv with one speaker, or on a big screen with surround. It's the same movie and I can enjoy it the same either way. It's just a movie ! I also dont care for loud sound systems. I cant hear the doorbell, or anything else with all that noise. Being a farmer, I have to listen to what's going on outside so I dont end up like my neighbor who recently had his entire herd of cattle and horses get loose. On the other hand, sitting in front of my antique Zenith and watching an old B&W episode of Bonanza or the Lone Ranger brings back great memories. |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 01:45:40 GMT, "Toller" wrote:
"Harry" wrote in message news On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 15:58:43 GMT, "Toller" wrote: Hey, you hooked a bunch of people with your troll! (God, I hope it was a troll...) With no indication of WHO you're talking about. Maybe you just don't like people... And maybe you are a moron. Thank you for describing yourself. You've succeeded and may leave now. |
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On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:45:26 -0600, wrote:
On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:19:02 -0500, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote: wrote in message New technology is great for those who want it, but why cant they leave the old stuff alone. It's history and it's well established and is part of our culture. Cant the government just leave us alone for once and stop screwing up our world. I'll admit that when color tv first came out I thought it was the greatest thing, but now it's fun to see an old B&W tv still working. Some of us want to move ahead. Just like computers, indoor plumbing and central heat. I have all of the above (plus a wood furnace) !!!!! And I was one of the first people to have a computer back when they were all run on Dos. I like the computer but I dont need to upgrade every year. My win98 works fine and is far less trouble than any newer OS. Actually this computer came with Win2K installed but I hated it so I downgraded to what I liked. Strange, considering that I found w2k more reliable than any other version. When that TV came on the market, some idiot probably complained it was going to ruin radio and progress should be stopped. Bring back vaudeville! I wish they would bring back vaudeville, its better than most of the garbage they call tv and movies today. I don't watch most of the new TV shows, for that reason. I remember when tv had humor unlike today when we have all these "reality" shows that mostly suck. Yes, they do. [snip] -- 47 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has no place in the curriculum of our nation's public school classes." -- Ted Kennedy |
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On Wed, 7 Nov 2007 22:54:51 -0500, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote: wrote in message I love my HDTV Great, now tell me how many years will you be in debt for it, and what high interest you have to pay? Sorry to disappoint you, but I paid cash, $1300 three years ago. Add another $100 for the wood as I built my own solid oak furniture grade stand for it. I paid cash for mine too. You get more for less $. |
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"Alphonse Q Muthafuyer" wrote in message I'll assume that the "Entertainment Industry" (EI) in the US is primarily a money-grubbing and propaganda machine until I have evidence to the contrary. Endless idiot garbage-hype, grossly contrived BS, etc largely designed to foster a culture of intellectual zombies. I still get cable but only for the infrequent (1 in 100 ?) decent movie and certain over-hyped sports. Haven't watched -any- "prime time" programming since Hill St Blues. I'll agree on the so called entertainment side of TV, but there are may intresting shows on travel, science, nature, home improvement, etc, that can educate and broaden the horizons of the viewer. The recent PBS series The War was very educational. I enjoy watching How Its Made on the Science channel. The Planet Earth series on Discovery HD Theater was fascinating. Some of the travel shows have been a help to preview other countries before I went there. I have a DV-R so I watch what I want, when I want to watch it. Food for thought. Somebody/anybody can split hairs over the "precise" numbers, but I grossly estimate that, when they OK'd the demise of NTSC, there were about 300 million "old" tuners in tv's, vcr's, etc in the US. Can you imagine why the Fedral Gummint would render such eqpt (about 2 tuners in every US household) inoperable for the public airwaves just to re-cycle some frequencies? Makes no sense whatsoever without the EI's hooks in such alleged gov't. "They are bought and paid for!". So you buy a digital adapter. At some point you just have to drop the old technology and take a step ahead. This is not much different than when you abandoned that 300 baud modem you used to connect to the internet. Or are you still using it? I read every night and encourage everyone to find a good book. The garbage on the tube/LCD/whatever will rot your sensibilities Are you into the romance novels? |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:07:51 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote: Strange, considering that I found w2k more reliable than any other version. Maybe it is. I quit using it mainly because I still like to access DOS. Not only do I still use some dos apps., but I like to be able to tinker with windows from the C: prompt when it gets screwed up. I rarely have problems with 98, except for IE locking up fairly often, which means I just use Firefox more now. The only other drawback with 98 is the need to install drivers for USB devices. I have considered switching to WinME because of that, but I understand ME lacks dos too. I may have to eventually dual boot to 98 and XP or something, but that seems like a big hassle to me. All I really do with the computer is internet, word processing and some photoshop stuff. None of this really needs anything above 98 or more power. I cant play most of the videos that are so popular these days on the net, but being on dialup they are too slow anyhow, and who really needs them..... |
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On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 23:01:53 GMT, Alphonse Q Muthafuyer
wrote: On Wed, 07 Nov 2007 21:45:26 -0600, wrote: ... I wish they would bring back vaudeville, its better than most of the garbage they call tv and movies today. I remember when tv had humor unlike today when we have all these "reality" shows that mostly suck. Soap Operas that are not worth the electricity to run the tv, Violence, more violence, and even most of the so called comedians these days are not funny at all. The Craig Ferguson is one prime example. After watching about 10 of his shows, I have never laughed yet, not even one small chuckle. I stopped watching him after that. It's no wonder we have so many problems in society. Give me the good old days when people were free and happy, and cared more for each other than trying to impress others with what they own. ... Sorry to have to say ... I agree to most all of this. I'll assume that the "Entertainment Industry" (EI) in the US is primarily a money-grubbing and propaganda machine until I have evidence to the contrary. Endless idiot garbage-hype, grossly contrived BS, etc largely designed to foster a culture of intellectual zombies. I still get cable but only for the infrequent (1 in 100 ?) decent movie and certain over-hyped sports. Haven't watched -any- "prime time" programming since Hill St Blues. Food for thought. Somebody/anybody can split hairs over the "precise" numbers, but I grossly estimate that, when they OK'd the demise of NTSC, there were about 300 million "old" tuners in tv's, vcr's, etc in the US. Can you imagine why the Fedral Gummint would render such eqpt (about 2 tuners in every US household) inoperable for the public airwaves just to re-cycle some frequencies? Makes no sense whatsoever without the EI's hooks in such alleged gov't. "They are bought and paid for!". I have no objection to making the bleeding edge stuff available: if folks wanna spend their money on it, that's their business. But, trashing ~300 million tuners constitutes terminal insanity and prima facie proof of gov't control by large moneyed interests. I read every night and encourage everyone to find a good book. The garbage on the tube/LCD/whatever will rot your sensibilities Muy Pronto. S'long, AQ "The monkey and the baboon was playing 7-up. The monkey won the money but he scared to pick it up. The monkey stumbled, mama. The baboon fell. The monkey grab the money and he run like hell!" - from "Dirty Motherfuyer", Roosevelt Sykes, around 1935 You said it........ I completely agree..... If they want us to use a convertor, then I want ONE (whole house) convertor that I can connect to my antenna, and wire it to the whole house. I dont want to buy one for every tuner. I think your figures are low on the amount of tuners per house. I have a small house, but I have 2 tv's and 2 vcr's. That's 4 tuners alone. That does not include the 12V portable 5" B&W tv I bought when I go camping, which will not be convertable and will become useless entirely. I also liked to take that tv to the barn when I need to watch a sick animal or just want to sit outdoors on a hot summer day and watch the tv with a cold beer. I will not be able to do any of that anymore. This 12V portable could be run in a vehicle off the car battery, run on 8 "D" batteries, or plugged in with the transformer. After the change it will only work with the plug in and a convertor, which makes it pretty useless for it's intended purpose. |
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On Nov 9, 2:23 am, wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:07:51 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote: Strange, considering that I found w2k more reliable than any other version. Maybe it is. I quit using it mainly because I still like to access DOS. Not only do I still use some dos apps., but I like to be able to tinker with windows from the C: prompt when it gets screwed up. I rarely have problems with 98, except for IE locking up fairly often, which means I just use Firefox more now. The only other drawback with 98 is the need to install drivers for USB devices. I have considered switching to WinME because of that, but I understand ME lacks dos too. I may have to eventually dual boot to 98 and XP or something, but that seems like a big hassle to me. All I really do with the computer is internet, word processing and some photoshop stuff. None of this really needs anything above 98 or more power. I cant play most of the videos that are so popular these days on the net, but being on dialup they are too slow anyhow, and who really needs them..... When you make the claim that you are still using Win98 because it's less trouble than any newer OS, it makes me wonder how out of touch with reality you really are. You could practically crash Win98 just by looking at it. There was no use of memory protection to isolate one task from another, so when one app blew up, the whole system crashed. XP and Vista are an order of magnitude more reliable, easier to install new hardware/software, user friendly, and support apps that Win98 never could. If you only use one app and it still runs fine on your Win98, that's OK, but it doesn't make Win98 the superior OS. I can't imagine using Win98 on a PC today that's connected to the internet and being used for even a part of what most home PCs are used for today. Regarding your restoration project, the govt will be giving out two $40 coupons for converters to any household that receives ONLY via antenna, ie they do not have cable, sat, etc. That should drop the net cost to less that $30 bucks or so for a converter. Yeah, it ain't free, but it seems it's not such a bad compromise either. BTW, you said you'd only spend $100 for a TV. How much do you think it's going to cost to restore that 50's TV? I'm no expert in this area, but I would think that components beyond the simple stuff like capacitors, could cost quite a bit. Like what do people do for tubes these days? |
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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:23:45 -0600, wrote:
On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:07:51 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote: Strange, considering that I found w2k more reliable than any other version. Maybe it is. I quit using it mainly because I still like to access DOS. There are a few problems with older software / hardware, but for Windows applications 2K is much better. Not only do I still use some dos apps., but I like to be able to tinker with windows from the C: prompt when it gets screwed up. I rarely have problems with 98, except for IE locking up fairly often, which means I just use Firefox more now. The only other drawback with 98 is the need to install drivers for USB devices. I have considered switching to WinME because of that, but I understand ME lacks dos too. Not True. ME has DOS (v8.0) just like 98 (v7.1) does. MS has just made some attempt to hide it, but it's there. ME won't let you boot from HD without starting the GUI, but does let you create a bootable DOS disk. I may have to eventually dual boot to 98 and XP or something, XP and 2K are very similar, it's just that XP adds a lot of crap and unfeatures. but that seems like a big hassle to me. All I really do with the computer is internet, word processing and some photoshop stuff. None of this really needs anything above 98 or more power. I cant play most of the videos that are so popular these days on the net, but being on dialup they are too slow anyhow, and who really needs them..... -- 46 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has no place in the curriculum of our nation's public school classes." -- Ted Kennedy |
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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 06:35:55 -0800, wrote:
[snip] When you make the claim that you are still using Win98 because it's less trouble than any newer OS, it makes me wonder how out of touch with reality you really are. You could practically crash Win98 just by looking at it. Yes. I remember the many reboots required. There was no use of memory protection to isolate one task from another, so when one app blew up, the whole system crashed. XP and Vista are an order of magnitude more reliable, easier to install new hardware/software, user friendly, and support apps that Win98 never could. Still, 2K is better than either. [snip] -- 46 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has no place in the curriculum of our nation's public school classes." -- Ted Kennedy |
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On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:35:38 -0600, wrote:
[snip] If they want us to use a convertor, then I want ONE (whole house) convertor that I can connect to my antenna, and wire it to the whole house. You can do that now, it's just limited to ONE channel. A multichannel setup would be quite expensive, and probably not worth it. I dont want to buy one for every tuner. I think your figures are low on the amount of tuners per house. I have a small house, but I have 2 tv's and 2 vcr's. That's 4 tuners alone. That does not include the 12V portable 5" B&W tv I bought when I go camping, which will not be convertable and will become useless entirely. I also liked to take that tv to the barn when I need to watch a sick animal or just want to sit outdoors on a hot summer day and watch the tv with a cold beer. I will not be able to do any of that anymore. This 12V portable could be run in a vehicle off the car battery, run on 8 "D" batteries, or plugged in with the transformer. After the change it will only work with the plug in and a convertor, which makes it pretty useless for it's intended purpose. -- 46 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has no place in the curriculum of our nation's public school classes." -- Ted Kennedy |
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On Nov 9, 11:56 am, Mark Lloyd wrote:
On Fri, 09 Nov 2007 01:23:45 -0600, wrote: On Thu, 08 Nov 2007 09:07:51 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote: Strange, considering that I found w2k more reliable than any other version. Maybe it is. I quit using it mainly because I still like to access DOS. There are a few problems with older software / hardware, but for Windows applications 2K is much better. Not only do I still use some dos apps., but I like to be able to tinker with windows from the C: prompt when it gets screwed up. I rarely have problems with 98, except for IE locking up fairly often, which means I just use Firefox more now. The only other drawback with 98 is the need to install drivers for USB devices. I have considered switching to WinME because of that, but I understand ME lacks dos too. Not True. ME has DOS (v8.0) just like 98 (v7.1) does. MS has just made some attempt to hide it, but it's there. ME won't let you boot from HD without starting the GUI, but does let you create a bootable DOS disk. I may have to eventually dual boot to 98 and XP or something, XP and 2K are very similar, it's just that XP adds a lot of crap and unfeatures. but that seems like a big hassle to me. All I really do with the computer is internet, word processing and some photoshop stuff. None of this really needs anything above 98 or more power. Amazing that you think Photoshop app is cool under Win98. I remember all the trouble trying to do anything that was image or graphic intensive under Win98. It was notoriously unreliable and crash prone. Exactly like you report today with Windows Explorer locking up, forcing you to choose Firefox. Which again is OK, if that's what you want to use, but it shows you're limiting your apps choice to get around Win98 problems, so how is it better than Vista or XP? I cant play most of the videos that are so popular these days on the net, but being on dialup they are too slow anyhow, and who really needs them..... Running Win98 with a modem, how would you know what a modern OS and computer are capable of to make a fair comparison? I've used Win98 and can tell you, any of today's OS's are far superior. -- 46 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloydhttp://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has no place in the curriculum of our nation's public school classes." -- Ted Kennedy |
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On Thu, 8 Nov 2007 22:15:37 -0500, "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote:
"Alphonse Q Muthafuyer" wrote in message I'll assume that the "Entertainment Industry" (EI) in the US is primarily a money-grubbing and propaganda machine until I have evidence to the contrary. Endless idiot garbage-hype, grossly contrived BS, etc largely designed to foster a culture of intellectual zombies. I still get cable but only for the infrequent (1 in 100 ?) decent movie and certain over-hyped sports. Haven't watched -any- "prime time" programming since Hill St Blues. I'll agree on the so called entertainment side of TV, but there are may intresting shows on travel, science, nature, home improvement, etc, that can educate and broaden the horizons of the viewer. This is true. It's not 100% Idiot-Garbage. Only about 99 44/100%. The recent PBS series The War was very educational. It wasn't for me. Ken Burns has his own media agenda, and it shows. I enjoy watching How Its Made on the Science channel. The Planet Earth series on Discovery HD Theater was fascinating. Some of the travel shows have been a help to preview other countries before I went there. I have a DV-R so I watch what I want, when I want to watch it. Food for thought. Somebody/anybody can split hairs over the "precise" numbers, but I grossly estimate that, when they OK'd the demise of NTSC, there were about 300 million "old" tuners in tv's, vcr's, etc in the US. Can you imagine why the Fedral Gummint would render such eqpt (about 2 tuners in every US household) inoperable for the public airwaves just to re-cycle some frequencies? Makes no sense whatsoever without the EI's hooks in such alleged gov't. "They are bought and paid for!". So you buy a digital adapter. Me? Not the issue. 100 million having to buy 200 million "cheese-boxes"? That's the issue (that you will consistently ignore). At some point you just have to drop the old technology and take a step ahead. This is not much different than when you abandoned that 300 baud modem you used to connect to the internet. Or are you still using it? I'm now thinking you've been bitten ... I read every night and encourage everyone to find a good book. The garbage on the tube/LCD/whatever will rot your sensibilities Are you into the romance novels? Aha. You've contracted "Troll's Disease". I'll leave you to your own devices. AQ "The monkey and the baboon was playing 7-up. The monkey won the money but he scared to pick it up. The monkey stumbled, mama. The baboon fell. The monkey grab the money and he run like hell!" - from "Dirty Motherfuyer", Roosevelt Sykes, around 1935 |
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