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moen faucet, defies physics.
OK, here's the deal:
newish (to me) house. bathroom has two sinks next to each other, with identical Moen faucets. both hooked up correctly. left hand faucet works normallly, right hand faucet has hot water come out when lever is to the right, cold to the right, i.e. backwards. but, i repeat, it's hooked up correctly, just like left hand (not backwards) faucet. hot water shutoff valve shuts off hot water and cold water shutoff shuts off cold water, despite backwardness. hot water pipe gets hot when hot water flows on either faucet. supply lines are not crossed up under the faucets, i looked right up there. I pulled out the cartridge, it looks symmetrical, pretty simple deal, a hole in the left where the hot water comes in and a hole in the right where the cold water comes in. what the hell? |
moen faucet, defies physics.
"z" wrote under the faucets, i looked right up there. I pulled out the cartridge, it looks symmetrical, pretty simple deal, a hole in the left where the hot water comes in and a hole in the right where the cold water comes in. what the hell? I don't have an answer for you. I have a Moen shower setup and it was dripping so I took off the knob to look at the cartridge. I turned the cartridge around and around, both ways, but didn't remove the cartridge. Replaced the knob, no drip, that's great. However, the hot is now to the right and the cold to the left. I don't know why. nancy |
moen faucet, defies physics.
On Oct 31, 2:16 pm, z wrote:
OK, here's the deal: newish (to me) house. bathroom has two sinks next to each other, with identical Moen faucets. both hooked up correctly. left hand faucet works normallly, right hand faucet has hot water come out when lever is to the right, cold to the right, i.e. backwards. but, i repeat, it's hooked up correctly, just like left hand (not backwards) faucet. hot water shutoff valve shuts off hot water and cold water shutoff shuts off cold water, despite backwardness. hot water pipe gets hot when hot water flows on either faucet. supply lines are not crossed up under the faucets, i looked right up there. I pulled out the cartridge, it looks symmetrical, pretty simple deal, a hole in the left where the hot water comes in and a hole in the right where the cold water comes in. what the hell? I meant left hand faucet works normallly, right hand faucet has hot water come out when lever is to the right, cold to the LEFT, i.e. backwards |
moen faucet, defies physics.
On Oct 31, 2:27 pm, z wrote:
On Oct 31, 2:16 pm, z wrote: OK, here's the deal: newish (to me) house. bathroom has two sinks next to each other, with identical Moen faucets. both hooked up correctly. left hand faucet works normallly, right hand faucet has hot water come out when lever is to the right, cold to the right, i.e. backwards. but, i repeat, it's hooked up correctly, just like left hand (not backwards) faucet. Relatively simple: the cartridge needs to be flipped 180 degrees. Shut the water off, remove the handle, remove the clip holding the cartridge (looks like a cotter pin), turn the cartridge 180 degrees, put clip back in, screw handle, turn water on. If the cartridge is a pain to remove (it can be), use the screw from the handle to lift it. Pierre |
moen faucet, defies physics.
z wrote in news:1193854572.050929.50200
@d55g2000hsg.googlegroups.com: OK, here's the deal: newish (to me) house. bathroom has two sinks next to each other, with identical Moen faucets. both hooked up correctly. left hand faucet works normallly, right hand faucet has hot water come out when lever is to the right, cold to the right, i.e. backwards. but, i repeat, it's hooked up correctly, just like left hand (not backwards) faucet. hot water shutoff valve shuts off hot water and cold water shutoff shuts off cold water, despite backwardness. hot water pipe gets hot when hot water flows on either faucet. supply lines are not crossed up under the faucets, i looked right up there. I pulled out the cartridge, it looks symmetrical, pretty simple deal, a hole in the left where the hot water comes in and a hole in the right where the cold water comes in. what the hell? Are you south of the equator? :-) |
moen faucet, defies physics.
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moen faucet, defies physics.
z writes:
OK, here's the deal: newish (to me) house. bathroom has two sinks next to each other, with identical Moen faucets. both hooked up correctly. left hand faucet works normallly, right hand faucet has hot water come out when lever is to the right, cold to the right, i.e. backwards. but, i repeat, it's hooked up correctly, just like left hand (not backwards) faucet. hot water shutoff valve shuts off hot water and cold water shutoff shuts off cold water, despite backwardness. hot water pipe gets hot when hot water flows on either faucet. supply lines are not crossed up under the faucets, i looked right up there. I pulled out the cartridge, it looks symmetrical, pretty simple deal, a hole in the left where the hot water comes in and a hole in the right where the cold water comes in. The fixed part of the cartridge is symmetric about the centre, but the rotating valve part of the cartridge is sort of half-round in shape, and the cutaway portion needs to face in the direction the handle faces. One of yours is backward. You need to install the handle on the cartridge the other way around. Take the handle off that faucet, rotate the shaft of the cartridge 180 degrees, and put the handle back on. The place where the handle mounts on the cartridge shaft is not keyed, so the handle can mount either of two ways. This is a feature, because different Moen faucets with different handle designs (lever vs. directly-attached handle) use the cartridge oriented differently. To get things aligned correctly, there's a mark on one side of the shaft but not the other, and you're supposed to match these when replacing cartridges. Someone obviously didn't. (This also means that if you happen to get hot and cold swapped when plumbing a new Moen faucet, you can get it to operate correctly just by rotating the cartridge to the "wrong" orientation - you don't have to fix the plumbing). Dave |
moen faucet, defies physics.
They (Moen) used to advertise that when installing sinks or showers back to
back you didn't need to cross the plumbing to supply hot water on the left, just run the pipes to both sides so that one is backwards. When you install the shower or tub filler or sink, you just flip the cartridge 180 degrees and all would be fixed. Great for a lazy plumber -- confusing as all get out for the homeowner, a few years later when he is trying to fix something or upgrade to another brand of faucets. "z" wrote in message ups.com... OK, here's the deal: newish (to me) house. bathroom has two sinks next to each other, with identical Moen faucets. both hooked up correctly. left hand faucet works normallly, right hand faucet has hot water come out when lever is to the right, cold to the right, i.e. backwards. but, i repeat, it's hooked up correctly, just like left hand (not backwards) faucet. hot water shutoff valve shuts off hot water and cold water shutoff shuts off cold water, despite backwardness. hot water pipe gets hot when hot water flows on either faucet. supply lines are not crossed up under the faucets, i looked right up there. I pulled out the cartridge, it looks symmetrical, pretty simple deal, a hole in the left where the hot water comes in and a hole in the right where the cold water comes in. what the hell? |
moen faucet, defies physics.
z wrote:
OK, here's the deal: newish (to me) house. bathroom has two sinks next to each other, with identical Moen faucets. both hooked up correctly. left hand faucet works normallly, right hand faucet has hot water come out when lever is to the right, cold to the right, i.e. backwards. but, i repeat, it's hooked up correctly, just like left hand (not backwards) faucet. hot water shutoff valve shuts off hot water and cold water shutoff shuts off cold water, despite backwardness. hot water pipe gets hot when hot water flows on either faucet. supply lines are not crossed up under the faucets, i looked right up there. I pulled out the cartridge, it looks symmetrical, pretty simple deal, a hole in the left where the hot water comes in and a hole in the right where the cold water comes in. what the hell? I've never seen this but reminds me of time coworker bought a new house and builder had mixed up hot and cold line in bathroom and hot water went to toilet. Every time he flushed, he got a hot flush ;) |
moen faucet, defies physics.
On Oct 31, 2:20 pm, Frank frankdotlogullo@comcastperiodnet wrote:
I've never seen this but reminds me of time coworker bought a new house and builder had mixed up hot and cold line in bathroom and hot water went to toilet. Every time he flushed, he got a hot flush ;) Had a friend who had the exact same problem with a builder, every time he spent more than a few minutes sitting on the throne, he'd get condensation on his butt. This same builder also managed to not notice that the drywall crew had drywalled over the air conditioner return ductwork. Friend noticed the AC wasn't putting out much air, they sent the AC contractor, whose first question was "Where's the return?" Jerry |
moen faucet, defies physics.
If you know the model faucet, look it up on Moen.com. I usually go to
the section at the top called "Buy Parts Online", which will guide you through a series of questions to identify your faucet. Then I go to "Support" and input the model number I just found, and get the detailed Instructions sheet/owners manual. By following these directions you can avoid scratching the sink and damaging things by doing things the wrong way. It also says about your problem: "To Eliminate Cross-Piping on Back-To-Back Installations, or To Correct Reversed Rough-In Where Hot and Cold Positions Are Reversed - Remove handle parts and stop tube (see "Disassembly"). Turn cartridge stem around so that the notched flat is turned one half turn or 180°. Reinstall handle parts. Tighten handle screw securely; replace handle cover." |
moen faucet, defies physics.
Catrige is installed wrong.
pop the top, twist cartrige 90' |
moen faucet, defies physics.
On Oct 31, 2:16 pm, z wrote:
OK, here's the deal: newish (to me) house. bathroom has two sinks next to each other, with identical Moen faucets. both hooked up correctly. left hand faucet works normallly, right hand faucet has hot water come out when lever is to the right, cold to the right, i.e. backwards. but, i repeat, it's hooked up correctly, just like left hand (not backwards) faucet. hot water shutoff valve shuts off hot water and cold water shutoff shuts off cold water, despite backwardness. hot water pipe gets hot when hot water flows on either faucet. supply lines are not crossed up under the faucets, i looked right up there. I pulled out the cartridge, it looks symmetrical, pretty simple deal, a hole in the left where the hot water comes in and a hole in the right where the cold water comes in. what the hell? Wow, lots of good answers. Thanks guys. |
moen faucet, defies physics.
On Oct 31, 6:28 pm, Jerry wrote:
This same builder also managed to not notice that the drywall crew had drywalled over the air conditioner return ductwork. Friend noticed the AC wasn't putting out much air, they sent the AC contractor, whose first question was "Where's the return?" That all? Heck, the contractor could build highways in CT. "An independent audit of the project in late 2006 revealed that over 300 storm drains installed by the now-defunct L.G. DeFelice Construction Company, were either filled with sand, were improperly installed, or were connected with pipes that led to nowhere. In addition to the faulty storm drains, officials discovered light fixtures with defective mounting brackets when one of the fixtures fell off of its support pole and onto the highway. Inspectors also discovered the structural steel for an overpass was not properly installed, raising serious questions about the bridge's structural integrity." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Connect...cal_corruption But wait.... there's more.... "Contract E/E1: Reconstruction of I-95/I-91/Route 34 Interchange Estimated Start Date: January 2008 Estimated Completion Date: September 2013 .... General Project Information Contract E/E1 Contract E1 has been awarded to L.G. DeFelice of North Haven, Connecticut and is valued at $13.1 million. " http://www.rideworks.com/i95info.htm#b |
moen faucet, defies physics.
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