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"PeterD" wrote in message ... On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:22:00 -0700, " wrote: Perhaps he wants to re live his youth working with a star drill? Reliving one's youth is one thing, 40 holes is another! bg Even in my youth I'd not have wanted to drill 40 holes by hand... I was a Teamster for 37 years. We had a saying that if you give a lazy man a job to do, he'll find the quickest easiest way to do it. I think even a Teamster would go rent a rotohammer. Steve ;-) |
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on 10/6/2007 5:24 PM willshak said the following:
X-posted to other relevant group. Before there were concrete drill bits, or electric drills for that matter, small round holes in concrete or rock were made by a round chisel type tool that was pounded into the stone with a small sledge hammer while turning the tool. It might have been 8" or 10" long. The face of this chisel had a star-like pattern, only with 4 points, like a plus sign " + ". I believe it was called a star drill. A Google search brings up a lot of sports drills (training regimen). Anyone know if they still make them, or if so, where to get one on-line? I'm trying to drill some 40 - 3/4" holes in concrete and my 1/2" corded electric drill with a concrete bit stalls on the stone aggregate in the concrete requiring me to stop and try to crack the aggregate with a large punch. I figured a star drill would work better. I finished the last of the holes today (12). Actually, there were only 30 rather than 40. It was good that I overestimated because I finished sooner. I have to thank two addition people. One that suggested using a pilot drill. I did have a 3/8" concrete bit, and used that before the 3/4" drill and it was better. Thanks. One that suggested a 3/4" cold chisel to break up the aggregate. That worked better after I had the 3/8; pilot hole drilled to 2" deep. Thanks One additional thing that I didn't notice. While I was taking a break, I picked up the plastic tag that had been attached to the 3/4 concrete drill when I bought it. Looking on the back of the tag in molded, small letters, was the following: Recommended minimum speed 1100 RPM. The 1/2" power drill I had been using was only rated at 600 RPM.. I brought out my 3/8" power drill rated at 1200 RPM. I didn't notice much difference with the 3/4" concrete bit, but it seemed to work better with the 3/8" bit. If it hadn't been in the 80s, with a humidity of 75 % for the past 4 days, I would have finished in half the time. As it was, I had to stop occasionally for a hose down and a brew and cigarette.. I did not buy or rent a Hammer drill. I didn't even use the star drill I asked about ($$$ saved all around). For anyone interested, I am 70 years old, so I've been around a while. I have been retired since 1999. I am 6' 2" tall. I weigh 185 lbs. I have a 35' waist. I have 41" hips. I wear a 42" long jacket. I wear a 16" long shirt. All the above is in case someone wants to buy me some clothes. My body fat index is 19.9%. A little high, but I think it is the beer. My right arm is now bigger than my left arm from all this hammering, but that because I have torn ligaments in my left shoulder from manhandling a tractor, and I don't use it for heavy or precise work. I am not afraid of hard work. I have done a lot of projects alone that would have taken a couple of younger guys to accomplish. If you've ever seen an old Italian mason working, you'll notice that he may be slow, but he is persistent. While the younger guys have to stop and pick their nose, the old guy keeps on working, and at the end of the day, he's done more than the youngsters. Look at all the $$$ I've saved. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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On Oct 8, 12:05 pm, "SteveB" wrote:
"PeterD" wrote in message ... On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:22:00 -0700, " wrote: Perhaps he wants to re live his youth working with a star drill? Reliving one's youth is one thing, 40 holes is another! bg Even in my youth I'd not have wanted to drill 40 holes by hand... I was a Teamster for 37 years. We had a saying that if you give a lazy man a job to do, he'll find the quickest easiest way to do it. I think even a Teamster would go rent a rotohammer. Steve ;-) Even a dumb one would wise up after a few holes. Me, I heat with wood, have a hydraulic splitter but do all my splitting with wedge/ sledge/maul except for the knots/crotches. One the face of it it looks stupid but I am retired and it is the only real excercise I get. Going through 6 cord every year keeps me from blowing up like a balloon. Harry K |
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"Harry K" wrote in message ups.com... On Oct 8, 12:05 pm, "SteveB" wrote: "PeterD" wrote in message ... On Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:22:00 -0700, " wrote: Perhaps he wants to re live his youth working with a star drill? Reliving one's youth is one thing, 40 holes is another! bg Even in my youth I'd not have wanted to drill 40 holes by hand... I was a Teamster for 37 years. We had a saying that if you give a lazy man a job to do, he'll find the quickest easiest way to do it. I think even a Teamster would go rent a rotohammer. Steve ;-) Even a dumb one would wise up after a few holes. Me, I heat with wood, have a hydraulic splitter but do all my splitting with wedge/ sledge/maul except for the knots/crotches. One the face of it it looks stupid but I am retired and it is the only real excercise I get. Going through 6 cord every year keeps me from blowing up like a balloon. Harry K I'm blessed with good genes, I guess. I'm 59, 5-10, 180#, and can outdo younger men. But after an 8 1/2 hour heart surgery, I choose to use power a lot. I'm still pretty strong, but nothing like when I was younger. I still do a lot, but the pain of having your sternum sawed in half never goes away totally, and I live in constant pain. But it's like working out where it's cold and wet and dirty. Most of the time I would just tell the young whiners, "What makes you think I'm not cold, wet, dirty, hungry, and have water running down the crack of MY ass, too? Now quit your whining, shut the **** up and go to work like the rest of us." Hope I don't have my sister's genes. She's 63 and had a heart transplant in June. Got the heart of a 25 year old man. Says she feels better than she has in years. I'll bet. For the last year, she's been lugging around a left ventricular assist machine. Look that up in your Google. Steve |
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On Oct 7, 11:53 am, willshak wrote:
on 10/7/2007 10:40 AM RicodJour said the following: On Oct 7, 10:14 am, willshak wrote: on 10/7/2007 8:56 AM The Other Funk said the following: Finding the keyboard operational willshak entered: X-posted to other relevant group. Before there were concrete drill bits, or electric drills for that matter, small round holes in concrete or rock were made by a round chisel type tool that was pounded into the stone with a small sledge hammer while turning the tool. It might have been 8" or 10" long. The face of this chisel had a star-like pattern, only with 4 points, like a plus sign " + ". I believe it was called a star drill. A Google search brings up a lot of sports drills (training regimen). Anyone know if they still make them, or if so, where to get one on-line? I'm trying to drill some 40 - 3/4" holes in concrete and my 1/2" corded electric drill with a concrete bit stalls on the stone aggregate in the concrete requiring me to stop and try to crack the aggregate with a large punch. I figured a star drill would work better. After reading some of the responses I think there may be a misunderstanding. Are you saying that you want to use your 1/2" electric until you hit a piece of aggregate and then use the star drill and sledge to break that up? Then returning to the drill. WE HAVE A WINNER!!!!!!! I don't think anybody assumed otherwise or the pointed responses would have been more vociferous. You'll be making a lot of work for yourself and wasting time for no apparent reason. There are better exercises than kneeling over a hole and hitting a chisel with a lump hammer. I'm curious, Bill - what is the reason that you're ignoring entirely unanimous advice from a group of people that probably wouldn't agree on which way was up? Were you starting with the 3/4" bit or starting with a smaller bit and working your way up in two or three steps? R First, let me say that I didn't ask for alternatives, I asked a direct question about where I could get a specific product. Although the alternate power tool suggestions were fine, with few helpful answers, the alternatives seem to have dominated the responses. I know about hammer drills and their uses, and I know where to buy or rent one. Buying a hammer drill for this one purpose is out of the question. I may not never again drill holes in concrete, and maybe I can just throw the star drill in a drawer with my other chisels and punches and not have another large, seldom used power tool on a shelf. Renting one for a day is a gamble. What if I can't complete the project in that time frame for some reason? What if I got called away for an emergency, or it started to rain? The rental fee would be more than if I bought a cheap hammer drill from Harbor Freight (see above about buying and storing seldom used tools). If I had asked where to buy a wheelbarrow, I don't want to buy or rent an ATV (Mule), a front end loader, a Bobcat, or anything other than a wheelbarrow. Someone likened my request to an analogy about using a screwdriver as a chisel. I still don't get that one. I suppose that we should all get rid of all hand tools since there is a power tool available that will do the job faster and easier. I've already bored 10 holes with the 1/2" drill and a 3/4" concrete bit, with the help of the steel punch and small sledge hammer. I have 2 on each corner and 2 on each side, and the cover is on using those 10 attachments. The leaves are falling on the cover and are being blown off by the wind. I have plenty of time before the snow starts to finish the other 20 holes. That's my story. I suppose that this threat will continue pointing out the advantages of using a hammer drill, or maybe it will drift off to something about garden spiders. But I now have the information that I need, thanks to the few that answered my question and provided links, so I'll let the others continue without me. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ Don't know if you found it yet but you can get them from ACE or other hardware stores. There listed under chisels as a star drill. I got a few at home but havent tried them out yet. I didn't see where anyone answered you yet and couldn't tell if you got an answer. http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...7.1259502&sr=1 good luck |
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On Oct 6, 11:28 pm, willshak wrote:
When I first start the drill, I can see the crushed concrete powder coming out and forming a ridge around the hole. All of a sudden the powder stops building and I can hear the drill bit kinda bouncing over something. The bit never stops turning, it just stops cutting. I wash out the hole and look in. The aggregate filler in this concrete is small roundish pebbles, about the size of a green pea up to a lima bean size with colors of yellow, orange, grey, or whitish. I may see parts of one, or two, or maybe three pebbles intruding in the hole, the tops of which look sanded from the drill rather than cut. At this time I take the small sledge and a 12" long steel tapered flat nosed punch with a 1/4" wide tip and try to crack the pebbles into smaller pieces that the drill bit can handle. I think that the 3/4" hand tool star drill can do a better job of cracking the pebbles with fewer blows since the star drill will completely fill the hole and may crack two or more pebbles with one blow. Bill, I know "rent a hammer drill" is not the answer you're looking for. Still, it is the best advice for your situation. With a hammer drill, you will NEVER have to stop to bust up the aggregate. A hammer drill will bust right through on its own. The amount of time and money you spend running around looking for a star bit will more than offset a 4-hour rental on a hammer drill. Drill 20 holes with your regular drill, using the star bit every time you run into a pebble. Then drill the other 20 with a hammer drill. You'll wonder why you even bothered with the star bit. |
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As an aside, and in the vein of this thread ..........
I have used star drills when I hit a hard piece of aggregate when drilling with a hammer drill. It fractures the piece of aggregate and gets the drill penetrating again. One of the best was a 3/16" rod that came as a tensioner for a wrought iron gate. I believe it was cold rolled, or whatever makes it not bend. I would grind the end to a screwdriver point, and just put that in the hole and hit it with a hammer a few times, turning it as one would do with a star drill. Actually, the handmade tool was better than the factory job. Steve |
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On Oct 11, 8:35 am, willshak wrote:
on 10/10/2007 1:08 PM said the following: Don't know if you found it yet but you can get them from ACE or other hardware stores. There listed under chisels as a star drill. I got a few at home but havent tried them out yet. I didn't see where anyone answered you yet and couldn't tell if you got an answer. http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...1292223&cp=256... good luck Thanks. The job is finished. Thanks to some others, I used only the tools I had at home. Nothing spent but my energy. Not quite. You also spent a lot of other people's energy who were being helpful. I'm glad that you got the job done, that there were only half as many holes as you thought, that you learned to step up drill bit sizes as you drill larger holes in tougher material if you don't have the right tool, etc. I still don't understand the selective thanks bit. Everyone was trying to be helpful - scratch that - everyone _was_ helpful, you just didn't like what you were reading. Advice is funny like that. Next time you run across a thread where the OP flat out refuses to listen to advice you know is right, and argues about it, think - that could be me. R |
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on 10/11/2007 9:15 AM RicodJour said the following:
On Oct 11, 8:35 am, willshak wrote: on 10/10/2007 1:08 PM said the following: Don't know if you found it yet but you can get them from ACE or other hardware stores. There listed under chisels as a star drill. I got a few at home but havent tried them out yet. I didn't see where anyone answered you yet and couldn't tell if you got an answer. http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...1292223&cp=256... good luck Thanks. The job is finished. Thanks to some others, I used only the tools I had at home. Nothing spent but my energy. Not quite. You also spent a lot of other people's energy who were being helpful. I'm glad that you got the job done, that there were only half as many holes as you thought, that you learned to step up drill bit sizes as you drill larger holes in tougher material if you don't have the right tool, etc. I still don't understand the selective thanks bit. Everyone was trying to be helpful - scratch that - everyone _was_ helpful, you just didn't like what you were reading. Advice is funny like that. Next time you run across a thread where the OP flat out refuses to listen to advice you know is right, and argues about it, think - that could be me. R If someone asks for advice, and I have advice to offer, I will offer it, unless someone else has already offered the same advice. If someone is asking where to buy a certain item, and I know where, I will offer locations, unless others have already given the same locations. No sense having a bunch of people repeating the same thing. Especially when it is not the answer to the question asked. A lot of the fault lies with me. I should have sent the message after just asking where to get the tool, rather than continuing on with the purpose of the tool. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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on 10/11/2007 11:10 AM SteveB said the following:
Thanks. The job is finished. Thanks to some others, I used only the tools I had at home. Nothing spent but my energy. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY Hey, no problem. Any time you need advice, just come to the helpful folks here, then ignore what we say. Hope you really get your ass in a bind next time and ask for advice. Steve Wasn't it you that asked a question last month about tool handles? I count 28 responses to that question, but you only replied to 1 of them, and that was a snide remark about new handles on an antique ax. BTW, how did that handle repair work out for you? -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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On Oct 11, 7:23 am, willshak wrote:
on 10/11/2007 9:15 AM RicodJour said the following: On Oct 11, 8:35 am, willshak wrote: on 10/10/2007 1:08 PM said the following: Don't know if you found it yet but you can get them from ACE or other hardware stores. There listed under chisels as a star drill. I got a few at home but havent tried them out yet. I didn't see where anyone answered you yet and couldn't tell if you got an answer. http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...1292223&cp=256... good luck Thanks. The job is finished. Thanks to some others, I used only the tools I had at home. Nothing spent but my energy. Not quite. You also spent a lot of other people's energy who were being helpful. I'm glad that you got the job done, that there were only half as many holes as you thought, that you learned to step up drill bit sizes as you drill larger holes in tougher material if you don't have the right tool, etc. I still don't understand the selective thanks bit. Everyone was trying to be helpful - scratch that - everyone _was_ helpful, you just didn't like what you were reading. Advice is funny like that. Next time you run across a thread where the OP flat out refuses to listen to advice you know is right, and argues about it, think - that could be me. R If someone asks for advice, and I have advice to offer, I will offer it, unless someone else has already offered the same advice. If someone is asking where to buy a certain item, and I know where, I will offer locations, unless others have already given the same locations. No sense having a bunch of people repeating the same thing. Especially when it is not the answer to the question asked. A lot of the fault lies with me. I should have sent the message after just asking where to get the tool, rather than continuing on with the purpose of the tool. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, a lot of it is your fault. The main one is your rudeness. To ask a question, get what you want and then bitch about other advice that is offered is...well... Harry K |
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on 10/11/2007 10:23 AM willshak said the following:
on 10/11/2007 9:15 AM RicodJour said the following: On Oct 11, 8:35 am, willshak wrote: on 10/10/2007 1:08 PM said the following: Don't know if you found it yet but you can get them from ACE or other hardware stores. There listed under chisels as a star drill. I got a few at home but havent tried them out yet. I didn't see where anyone answered you yet and couldn't tell if you got an answer. http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...1292223&cp=256... good luck Thanks. The job is finished. Thanks to some others, I used only the tools I had at home. Nothing spent but my energy. Not quite. You also spent a lot of other people's energy who were being helpful. I'm glad that you got the job done, that there were only half as many holes as you thought, that you learned to step up drill bit sizes as you drill larger holes in tougher material if you don't have the right tool, etc. I still don't understand the selective thanks bit. Everyone was trying to be helpful - scratch that - everyone _was_ helpful, you just didn't like what you were reading. Advice is funny like that. Next time you run across a thread where the OP flat out refuses to listen to advice you know is right, and argues about it, think - that could be me. R If someone asks for advice, and I have advice to offer, I will offer it, unless someone else has already offered the same advice. If someone is asking where to buy a certain item, and I know where, I will offer locations, unless others have already given the same locations. No sense having a bunch of people repeating the same thing. Especially when it is not the answer to the question asked. A lot of the fault lies with me. I should have sent the message after just asking where to get the tool, rather than continuing on with the purpose of the tool. BTW, please point out the message(s) where I argued with anyone. I simply ignored the messages that didn't answer my question. Any responses I made were in direct response to a question asked, or an answer to my original question. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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Thanks. The job is finished. Thanks to some others, I used only the tools I had at home. Nothing spent but my energy. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY Hey, no problem. Any time you need advice, just come to the helpful folks here, then ignore what we say. Hope you really get your ass in a bind next time and ask for advice. Steve |
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on 10/11/2007 10:59 AM Harry K said the following:
On Oct 11, 7:23 am, willshak wrote: on 10/11/2007 9:15 AM RicodJour said the following: On Oct 11, 8:35 am, willshak wrote: on 10/10/2007 1:08 PM said the following: Don't know if you found it yet but you can get them from ACE or other hardware stores. There listed under chisels as a star drill. I got a few at home but havent tried them out yet. I didn't see where anyone answered you yet and couldn't tell if you got an answer. http://www.acehardware.com/product/i...1292223&cp=256... good luck Thanks. The job is finished. Thanks to some others, I used only the tools I had at home. Nothing spent but my energy. Not quite. You also spent a lot of other people's energy who were being helpful. I'm glad that you got the job done, that there were only half as many holes as you thought, that you learned to step up drill bit sizes as you drill larger holes in tougher material if you don't have the right tool, etc. I still don't understand the selective thanks bit. Everyone was trying to be helpful - scratch that - everyone _was_ helpful, you just didn't like what you were reading. Advice is funny like that. Next time you run across a thread where the OP flat out refuses to listen to advice you know is right, and argues about it, think - that could be me. R If someone asks for advice, and I have advice to offer, I will offer it, unless someone else has already offered the same advice. If someone is asking where to buy a certain item, and I know where, I will offer locations, unless others have already given the same locations. No sense having a bunch of people repeating the same thing. Especially when it is not the answer to the question asked. A lot of the fault lies with me. I should have sent the message after just asking where to get the tool, rather than continuing on with the purpose of the tool. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Yes, a lot of it is your fault. The main one is your rudeness. To ask a question, get what you want and then bitch about other advice that is offered is...well... Harry K I wasn't rude to anyone who suggested alternatives. I just didn't answer at all. If that's rude, I'm apparently not the only one. Someone asked why I didn't want to use another suggested tool and I answered the question. Maybe that's bitching, but I call it a direct response to the 'why not' question asked. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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Finding the keyboard operational
SteveB entered: wilshak entered Thanks. The job is finished. Thanks to some others, I used only the tools I had at home. Nothing spent but my energy. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY Hey, no problem. Any time you need advice, just come to the helpful folks here, then ignore what we say. Hope you really get your ass in a bind next time and ask for advice. Steve There seems to be quite the tempest in a teacup brewing here. As I see it, Bill asked where he might find a star drill and then explained why he wanted it. Some people told him that he was going about making the holes the wrong way and that he should get other equipment. Bill did state, more then once, that he had no intention of getting other tools and wanted to do it his way. He didn't say why he wanted to do it his way but it's his choice. Instead he was told that he was wasting his time and it was implied that he was stupid. Let me put it another way. I like to do a bit of woodworking. I get a piece fo tree trunk and split and cut it into boards. Now I could buy boards but I choose not to. I also prefer to use hand tools more then most people would. So if I asked where I could find a new blade for my frame saw and got replies telling me to buy a band saw, I would be rude if I ignored that advice? Bob -- -- Coffee worth staying up for - NY Times www.moondoggiecoffee.com |
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on 10/11/2007 3:03 PM SteveB said the following:
"The Other Funk" wrote in message news:YJsPi.5409$q42.2217@trndny06... Finding the keyboard operational SteveB entered: wilshak entered Thanks. The job is finished. Thanks to some others, I used only the tools I had at home. Nothing spent but my energy. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY Hey, no problem. Any time you need advice, just come to the helpful folks here, then ignore what we say. Hope you really get your ass in a bind next time and ask for advice. Steve There seems to be quite the tempest in a teacup brewing here. As I see it, Bill asked where he might find a star drill and then explained why he wanted it. Some people told him that he was going about making the holes the wrong way and that he should get other equipment. Bill did state, more then once, that he had no intention of getting other tools and wanted to do it his way. He didn't say why he wanted to do it his way but it's his choice. Instead he was told that he was wasting his time and it was implied that he was stupid. Let me put it another way. I like to do a bit of woodworking. I get a piece fo tree trunk and split and cut it into boards. Now I could buy boards but I choose not to. I also prefer to use hand tools more then most people would. So if I asked where I could find a new blade for my frame saw and got replies telling me to buy a band saw, I would be rude if I ignored that advice? Bob -- -- Coffee worth staying up for - NY Times www.moondoggiecoffee.com The man who wrote in was obviously clueless, as he didn't even know about a star drill. I knew about a star drill. I referred to it as a star drill when I was asking where to get one. .. Instead of people telling him how to drill 40 holes with a star drill, they suggested that he do it the modern easy fast way. Which didn't answer my question. Then to prove his cluelessness, he proceeded to insult those who offered him advice trying to save him time and work. Steve Show me where I insulted anyone. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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on 10/11/2007 3:07 PM SteveB said the following:
"willshak" wrote Wasn't it you that asked a question last month about tool handles? I count 28 responses to that question, but you only replied to 1 of them, and that was a snide remark about new handles on an antique ax. BTW, how did that handle repair work out for you? -- Bill Yes, that was me. The reason I didn't reply was that I was READING the advice people had to give, taking it in, and putting some of it into practice. Yeah, that is what I was doing too. Reading, taking in, but not answering. :-) That required no response from me, but only to be respectful enough to shut up and read.. That is equal to stopping talking and LISTENING when having a conversation after you've asked someone for advice. I did shut up. I didn't interrupt anyone telling me to use a hammer drill. The remark about the axe handle was not snide, but a little humor that went SWOOSH right over your head! (the sound of a joke going over an empty air space) I wish you well, Pard. You may go now. Plonk. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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"The Other Funk" wrote in message news:YJsPi.5409$q42.2217@trndny06... Finding the keyboard operational SteveB entered: wilshak entered Thanks. The job is finished. Thanks to some others, I used only the tools I had at home. Nothing spent but my energy. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY Hey, no problem. Any time you need advice, just come to the helpful folks here, then ignore what we say. Hope you really get your ass in a bind next time and ask for advice. Steve There seems to be quite the tempest in a teacup brewing here. As I see it, Bill asked where he might find a star drill and then explained why he wanted it. Some people told him that he was going about making the holes the wrong way and that he should get other equipment. Bill did state, more then once, that he had no intention of getting other tools and wanted to do it his way. He didn't say why he wanted to do it his way but it's his choice. Instead he was told that he was wasting his time and it was implied that he was stupid. Let me put it another way. I like to do a bit of woodworking. I get a piece fo tree trunk and split and cut it into boards. Now I could buy boards but I choose not to. I also prefer to use hand tools more then most people would. So if I asked where I could find a new blade for my frame saw and got replies telling me to buy a band saw, I would be rude if I ignored that advice? Bob -- -- Coffee worth staying up for - NY Times www.moondoggiecoffee.com The man who wrote in was obviously clueless, as he didn't even know about a star drill. Instead of people telling him how to drill 40 holes with a star drill, they suggested that he do it the modern easy fast way. Then to prove his cluelessness, he proceeded to insult those who offered him advice trying to save him time and work. Steve |
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"willshak" wrote Wasn't it you that asked a question last month about tool handles? I count 28 responses to that question, but you only replied to 1 of them, and that was a snide remark about new handles on an antique ax. BTW, how did that handle repair work out for you? -- Bill Yes, that was me. The reason I didn't reply was that I was READING the advice people had to give, taking it in, and putting some of it into practice. That required no response from me, but only to be respectful enough to shut up and read.. That is equal to stopping talking and LISTENING when having a conversation after you've asked someone for advice. The remark about the axe handle was not snide, but a little humor that went SWOOSH right over your head! (the sound of a joke going over an empty air space) I wish you well, Pard. You may go now. Plonk. Steve |
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on 10/11/2007 4:25 PM Glenn said the following:
I just deleted the entire thread and suggest others do to. Yes, the problem was solved and there is no need to continue, unless someone wants to add something to it. "willshak" wrote in message ... on 10/10/2007 1:40 PM said the following: Bill, I know "rent a hammer drill" is not the answer you're looking for. Still, it is the best advice for your situation. With a hammer drill, you will NEVER have to stop to bust up the aggregate. A hammer drill will bust right through on its own. The amount of time and money you spend running around looking for a star bit will more than offset a 4-hour rental on a hammer drill. Drill 20 holes with your regular drill, using the star bit every time you run into a pebble. Then drill the other 20 with a hammer drill. You'll wonder why you even bothered with the star bit. Thanks. The job was finished with the tools at hand. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:35:46 -0400, willshak
wrote: Show me where I insulted anyone. Try: First, let me say that I didn't ask for alternatives, I asked a direct question about where I could get a specific product. Although the alternate power tool suggestions were fine, with few helpful answers, the alternatives seem to have dominated the responses. I know about hammer drills and their uses, and I know where to buy or rent one. Buying a hammer drill for this one purpose is out of the question. I may not never again drill holes in concrete, and maybe I can just throw the star drill in a drawer with my other chisels and punches and not have another large, seldom used power tool on a shelf. Renting one for a day is a gamble. What if I can't complete the project in that time frame for some reason? What if I got called away for an emergency, or it started to rain? The rental fee would be more than if I bought a cheap hammer drill from Harbor Freight (see above about buying and storing seldom used tools). If I had asked where to buy a wheelbarrow, I don't want to buy or rent an ATV (Mule), a front end loader, a Bobcat, or anything other than a wheelbarrow. You don't get it. You never will get it. When people try to help you you say "Thank you!" No one will force you to take their advice, but you say "Thank you!" to be nice. That is the price you have to pay to get free advice. Now, when you next ask for advice on usenet, and don't get any responses, think back to this thread and then don't even think about asking why... PLONK again |
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on 10/11/2007 6:18 PM SteveB said the following:
"Glenn" wrote in message ... I just deleted the entire thread and suggest others do to. Also killfiled the troll that started it. Steve Ah, you won't read this unless someone else responds to it, but I think you have gone over the edge. Troll, for asking a legitimate question? -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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on 10/11/2007 5:45 PM PeterD said the following:
Didn't you kill file me, or does your Plonk machine not work? There are no insults in there. Did I call anyone stupid, or ignorant, like some called me for daring to use an old technology instead of the latest, greatest, state of the art technology? -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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"Glenn" wrote in message ... I just deleted the entire thread and suggest others do to. Also killfiled the troll that started it. Steve |
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on 10/11/2007 5:45 PM PeterD said the following:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:35:46 -0400, willshak wrote: Show me where I insulted anyone. Try: First, let me say that I didn't ask for alternatives, I asked a direct question about where I could get a specific product. Although the alternate power tool suggestions were fine, with few helpful answers, the alternatives seem to have dominated the responses. I know about hammer drills and their uses, and I know where to buy or rent one. Buying a hammer drill for this one purpose is out of the question. I may not never again drill holes in concrete, and maybe I can just throw the star drill in a drawer with my other chisels and punches and not have another large, seldom used power tool on a shelf. Renting one for a day is a gamble. What if I can't complete the project in that time frame for some reason? What if I got called away for an emergency, or it started to rain? The rental fee would be more than if I bought a cheap hammer drill from Harbor Freight (see above about buying and storing seldom used tools). If I had asked where to buy a wheelbarrow, I don't want to buy or rent an ATV (Mule), a front end loader, a Bobcat, or anything other than a wheelbarrow. You don't get it. You never will get it. No! YOU don't get it. I didn't ask for advice. I asked a simple and direct question about where to buy a tool. What I got, for the most part, were alternatives to the tool I was asking about. So, it's an old tool, and alternatives are available, which I know about. I don't live in a bubble. I wanted to use the old tool. When people try to help you you say "Thank you!" No one will force you to take their advice, but you say "Thank you!" to be nice. That is the price you have to pay to get free advice. Thank you, to all that responded. Now, when you next ask for advice on usenet, and don't get any responses, think back to this thread and then don't even think about asking why... PLONK again I'll try to re-phrase my questions better, since this was one of my few, if any, original questions, rather than the many responses to others I had posted. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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On Oct 11, 5:58 pm, willshak wrote:
on 10/11/2007 5:45 PM PeterD said the following: Didn't you kill file me, or does your Plonk machine not work? There are no insults in there. Did I call anyone stupid, or ignorant, like some called me for daring to use an old technology instead of the latest, greatest, state of the art technology? Bill, it's time to let this one go. Unless you feel like you're 'winning' when you have the last post in the thread, having the last word doesn't mean squat. The thing that threw me from the get go was your statement that you had Googled and hadn't found anything. Say what? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=star+drill So unless you can't spell either star or drill - and Google would correct it for you if you couldn't - then something is mighty odd on your end of the internet. You wrote, "A Google search brings up a lot of sports drills (training regimen)." Well, yeah, that and every other result on the Google results page was for the hand held masonry/stone drill. So for whatever reason you couldn't find it, _you_ couldn't find something that was beyond obvious. You had the correct name, and from your excellent spelling, I know you spelled it right, so what happened? If you had performed the search and not skipped every other result, you wouldn't have needed to ask the question and you wouldn't have gotten all of that horrible advice where people were trying to save you some time and wear and tear on your body. If you like the wear and tear on your body, that's just fine, you'll still get advice on how to do _anything_ a simpler, less taxing way. That's called efficiency and the human race has been pursuing that as a goal for the last few million years. Don't blame this newsgroup. Since you're working on a new pool cover, a few bucks either way obviously wouldn't have killed you. The bottom line is that you do a fine job answering questions on this newsgroup. I've never seen you give bad advice. You've given advice I might not agree with, but you've never given bad advice. However your thread originating post, and the subsequent follow ups were not of the same caliber. Instead of asking a simple question, "Anyone know where I can get a star bit?" you gave some history, mentioned you had no luck Googling, explained exactly what you were doing which didn't work - which everyone else has done at some point until _they_ learned a better way, etc. Anyhoo, you got the job done, you didn't have to spend money, you took a few lumps and you've learned that it's sometimes harder to ask a question than answer one. I think you've gotten a lot out of this thread and hopefully you won't take away any hard feelings. R |
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on 10/11/2007 6:29 PM RicodJour said the following:
On Oct 11, 5:58 pm, willshak wrote: on 10/11/2007 5:45 PM PeterD said the following: Didn't you kill file me, or does your Plonk machine not work? There are no insults in there. Did I call anyone stupid, or ignorant, like some called me for daring to use an old technology instead of the latest, greatest, state of the art technology? Bill, it's time to let this one go. Unless you feel like you're 'winning' when you have the last post in the thread, having the last word doesn't mean squat. The thing that threw me from the get go was your statement that you had Googled and hadn't found anything. Say what? http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=star+drill So unless you can't spell either star or drill - and Google would correct it for you if you couldn't - then something is mighty odd on your end of the internet. You wrote, "A Google search brings up a lot of sports drills (training regimen)." Well, yeah, that and every other result on the Google results page was for the hand held masonry/stone drill. So for whatever reason you couldn't find it, _you_ couldn't find something that was beyond obvious. You had the correct name, and from your excellent spelling, I know you spelled it right, so what happened? Don't know. I'm usually good at Googling. I Google a lot for other people asking questions, in this and other groups, because I have this obsession about helping people. It's probably why I became a police officer and stayed for 38 years. I'll give the answer I find, and the link, without insulting the person asking the question. If you had performed the search and not skipped every other result, you wouldn't have needed to ask the question and you wouldn't have gotten all of that horrible advice where people were trying to save you some time and wear and tear on your body. If you like the wear and tear on your body, that's just fine, you'll still get advice on how to do _anything_ a simpler, less taxing way. That's called efficiency and the human race has been pursuing that as a goal for the last few million years. Don't blame this newsgroup. I didn't blame anyone. I just asked a simple question. If someone else had asked the same question, I would have answered the question first and then offered alternatives, if I knew of any. Since you're working on a new pool cover, a few bucks either way obviously wouldn't have killed you. The bottom line is that you do a fine job answering questions on this newsgroup. I've never seen you give bad advice. You've given advice I might not agree with, but you've never given bad advice. However your thread originating post, and the subsequent follow ups were not of the same caliber. Instead of asking a simple question, "Anyone know where I can get a star bit?" you gave some history, mentioned you had no luck Googling, explained exactly what you were doing which didn't work - which everyone else has done at some point until _they_ learned a better way, etc. Anyhoo, you got the job done, you didn't have to spend money, you took a few lumps and you've learned that it's sometimes harder to ask a question than answer one. I think you've gotten a lot out of this thread and hopefully you won't take away any hard feelings. No. I have been called a 'turtle', since insults usually don't get beyond the shell. Like I said, I was a cop for 38 years and learned how to ignore them, otherwise there would have been a lot of dead people in my path. Thanks for being so understanding, and if you feel you were insulted by any remarks I said, I'm sorry. It was business, not personal. :-) I'm sorry to anyone else who felt that any comments I made may have insulted or demeaned them. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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On Oct 11, 3:22 pm, willshak wrote:
on 10/11/2007 5:45 PM PeterD said the following: On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:35:46 -0400, willshak wrote: Show me where I insulted anyone. Try: First, let me say that I didn't ask for alternatives, I asked a direct question about where I could get a specific product. Although the alternate power tool suggestions were fine, with few helpful answers, the alternatives seem to have dominated the responses. I know about hammer drills and their uses, and I know where to buy or rent one. Buying a hammer drill for this one purpose is out of the question. I may not never again drill holes in concrete, and maybe I can just throw the star drill in a drawer with my other chisels and punches and not have another large, seldom used power tool on a shelf. Renting one for a day is a gamble. What if I can't complete the project in that time frame for some reason? What if I got called away for an emergency, or it started to rain? The rental fee would be more than if I bought a cheap hammer drill from Harbor Freight (see above about buying and storing seldom used tools). If I had asked where to buy a wheelbarrow, I don't want to buy or rent an ATV (Mule), a front end loader, a Bobcat, or anything other than a wheelbarrow. You don't get it. You never will get it. No! YOU don't get it. I didn't ask for advice. I asked a simple and direct question about where to buy a tool. What I got, for the most part, were alternatives to the tool I was asking about. So, it's an old tool, and alternatives are available, which I know about. I don't live in a bubble. I wanted to use the old tool. When people try to help you you say "Thank you!" No one will force you to take their advice, but you say "Thank you!" to be nice. That is the price you have to pay to get free advice. Thank you, to all that responded. Now, when you next ask for advice on usenet, and don't get any responses, think back to this thread and then don't even think about asking why... PLONK again I'll try to re-phrase my questions better, since this was one of my few, if any, original questions, rather than the many responses to others I had posted. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Just to clarify the point that seems to have gone clear over your head. What put the burr under our saddles was your rant about unsolicited advice. Had you ended your post with the 'the job is done using a star drill' - no problem. But then to gratuitously complain about all the unwanted advice was over the top. Harry K |
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on 10/11/2007 9:22 PM Harry K said the following:
On Oct 11, 3:22 pm, willshak wrote: on 10/11/2007 5:45 PM PeterD said the following: On Thu, 11 Oct 2007 14:35:46 -0400, willshak wrote: Show me where I insulted anyone. Try: First, let me say that I didn't ask for alternatives, I asked a direct question about where I could get a specific product. Although the alternate power tool suggestions were fine, with few helpful answers, the alternatives seem to have dominated the responses. I know about hammer drills and their uses, and I know where to buy or rent one. Buying a hammer drill for this one purpose is out of the question. I may not never again drill holes in concrete, and maybe I can just throw the star drill in a drawer with my other chisels and punches and not have another large, seldom used power tool on a shelf. Renting one for a day is a gamble. What if I can't complete the project in that time frame for some reason? What if I got called away for an emergency, or it started to rain? The rental fee would be more than if I bought a cheap hammer drill from Harbor Freight (see above about buying and storing seldom used tools). If I had asked where to buy a wheelbarrow, I don't want to buy or rent an ATV (Mule), a front end loader, a Bobcat, or anything other than a wheelbarrow. You don't get it. You never will get it. No! YOU don't get it. I didn't ask for advice. I asked a simple and direct question about where to buy a tool. What I got, for the most part, were alternatives to the tool I was asking about. So, it's an old tool, and alternatives are available, which I know about. I don't live in a bubble. I wanted to use the old tool. When people try to help you you say "Thank you!" No one will force you to take their advice, but you say "Thank you!" to be nice. That is the price you have to pay to get free advice. Thank you, to all that responded. Now, when you next ask for advice on usenet, and don't get any responses, think back to this thread and then don't even think about asking why... PLONK again I'll try to re-phrase my questions better, since this was one of my few, if any, original questions, rather than the many responses to others I had posted. -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - Just to clarify the point that seems to have gone clear over your head. What put the burr under our saddles was your rant about unsolicited advice. Had you ended your post with the 'the job is done using a star drill' - no problem. But then to gratuitously complain about all the unwanted advice was over the top. Harry K Thanks for your opinion. (I hope that didn't sound like an insult) -- Bill In Hamptonburgh, NY To email, remove the double zeroes after @ |
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replying to willshak, rickbrad wrote:
Try Trow and Holding Co.I just googled them and found one for $42.00.Just google where to order star drill hand tool and they pop up.Good luck -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/constr...ill-11147-.htm |
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replying to rickbrad, Grampy wrote:
Willshak's original post re drill is 13 years old (2007). Hopefully he is done drilling the 40 holes by now ;-) -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/constr...ill-22447-.htm |
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