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How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
I have a house with double pane windows. One of these windows has
fog/condensation between the panes. None of the other windows have this problem. How can I get this moisture out? The window casing is wood. Charles -- Message posted via http://www.homekb.com |
How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
On Oct 4, 11:56 am, "Charlesmurphy via HomeKB.com" u35366@uwe wrote:
I have a house with double pane windows. One of these windows has fog/condensation between the panes. None of the other windows have this problem. How can I get this moisture out? The window casing is wood. Replace the window, or live with it. What's happened is that the seal between the panes has been compromised, allowing regular air, including moisture, into the gap. There is absolutely no way you can recreate the conditions at the window factory where the gap was purged and filled with specially- dried air, or a gas like argon. Even if you could, you still have the problem of finding and sealing the leak that allowed the moist normal air to penetrate. |
How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
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On Oct 4, 11:56 am, "Charlesmurphy via HomeKB.com" u35366@uwe wrote: I have a house with double pane windows. One of these windows has fog/condensation between the panes. None of the other windows have this problem. How can I get this moisture out? The window casing is wood. Replace the window, or live with it. What's happened is that the seal between the panes has been compromised, allowing regular air, including moisture, into the gap. There is absolutely no way you can recreate the conditions at the window factory where the gap was purged and filled with specially- dried air, or a gas like argon. Even if you could, you still have the problem of finding and sealing the leak that allowed the moist normal air to penetrate. What you just said is certainly the correct general answer. However, I've been intrigued by reading about the Clear-Vu system for several years now: http://www.thermalpanerestoration.com/ I'm not sure if they have licensees outside of Canada. The description of what they do doesn't sound completely off the wall. But, I'd expect if it is as good as their ads say I would have heard more about it by now, 'eh? Does anyone in the group have any further info or experience with the Clear-Vu system? A couple of times over the years I've "cheated" and used a glass drill to bore a couple of 3/16" holes through the outer pane of a fogged up insulated glass window, right at its bottom edge. That got rid of the fogging and squeezed a couple of more years of use out of the windows before enough crud built up on the inner surfaces to guilt me into replacing the glass. Probably my drilled windows didn't have quite as good insulating value as if they still had gas in them, but long before double pane glass came out we'd put up "storm windows" every winter, didn't we? A word of warning, don't try drilling through a tempered glass window or door. The results will be dramatic and disapointing. (DAMHIKT) Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight. |
How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
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There is absolutely no way you can recreate the conditions at the window factory where the gap was purged and filled with specially- dried air, or a gas like argon. Even if you could, you still have the problem of finding and sealing the leak that allowed the moist normal air to penetrate. You might make a bigger leak to the outdoors, in a cold climate. Nick |
How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
Jeff Wisnia wrote:
wrote: On Oct 4, 11:56 am, "Charlesmurphy via HomeKB.com" u35366@uwe wrote: I have a house with double pane windows. One of these windows has fog/condensation between the panes. None of the other windows have this problem. How can I get this moisture out? The window casing is wood. Replace the window, or live with it. What's happened is that the seal between the panes has been compromised, allowing regular air, including moisture, into the gap. There is absolutely no way you can recreate the conditions at the window factory where the gap was purged and filled with specially- dried air, or a gas like argon. Even if you could, you still have the problem of finding and sealing the leak that allowed the moist normal air to penetrate. What you just said is certainly the correct general answer. However, I've been intrigued by reading about the Clear-Vu system for several years now: http://www.thermalpanerestoration.com/ I'm not sure if they have licensees outside of Canada. Looks like the first link I gave was just a licensee. The parent company seems to have licensees in the USA now: http://www.ccwwi.com/ Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight. The description of what they do doesn't sound completely off the wall. But, I'd expect if it is as good as their ads say I would have heard more about it by now, 'eh? Does anyone in the group have any further info or experience with the Clear-Vu system? A couple of times over the years I've "cheated" and used a glass drill to bore a couple of 3/16" holes through the outer pane of a fogged up insulated glass window, right at its bottom edge. That got rid of the fogging and squeezed a couple of more years of use out of the windows before enough crud built up on the inner surfaces to guilt me into replacing the glass. Probably my drilled windows didn't have quite as good insulating value as if they still had gas in them, but long before double pane glass came out we'd put up "storm windows" every winter, didn't we? A word of warning, don't try drilling through a tempered glass window or door. The results will be dramatic and disapointing. (DAMHIKT) Jeff |
How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
You might make a bigger leak to the outdoors, in a cold climate. Nick That is more along the lines of my thinking since replacing the window would be very costly. Thanks -- Message posted via HomeKB.com http://www.homekb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/repair/200710/1 |
How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
In article 793195c140f03@uwe, "Charlesmurphy via HomeKB.com" u35366@uwe wrote:
I have a house with double pane windows. One of these windows has fog/condensation between the panes. None of the other windows have this problem. How can I get this moisture out? The window casing is wood. Generally speaking, you can't. There are some firms that claim to offer such services but I wouldn't trust them. The seals have failed and the only really satisfactory solution will require the units be replaced. Check the warranty situation. Otherwise any decent glass company will be able to replace the units for you. And since you're only replacing the sealed glass unit and not the entire window the cost should be quite reasonable. I think I paid around $200 each to replace some panes that were around 15 sq ft each. They came and measured up, returned a week later, installed the new panels and hauled away the old. Job done! Just try and find a reputable glass company that's been in business in your city for a few years (or generations!). -- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". | | Gary Player. | | http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
On Oct 4, 10:10 am, "Charlesmurphy via HomeKB.com" u35366@uwe wrote:
You might make a bigger leak to the outdoors, in a cold climate. Nick That is more along the lines of my thinking since replacing the window would be very costly. Thanks -- Message posted via HomeKB.comhttp://www.homekb.com/Uwe/Forums.aspx/repair/200710/1 Replacing the _window_ would be but you don't have to do that. Any glass company will replace just the sealed glazing unit. I have had it done (on one window twice but the warrantee paid for the second shot). Harry K |
How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
On Oct 4, 12:00 pm, Harry K wrote:
On Oct 4, 10:10 am, "Charlesmurphy via HomeKB.com" u35366@uwe wrote: That is more along the lines of my thinking since replacing the window would be very costly. Replacing the _window_ would be but you don't have to do that. Any glass company will replace just the sealed glazing unit. I have had it done (on one window twice but the warrantee paid for the second shot). Depends of course on the size of the window. 7 or 8 years ago I had a mower throw a rock into a 4ft x 8ft patio slider. Replacing the sealed unit in that puppy cost me a hair over $500. Ouch! Jerry |
How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
In article .com, Jerry wrote:
Depends of course on the size of the window. 7 or 8 years ago I had a mower throw a rock into a 4ft x 8ft patio slider. Replacing the sealed unit in that puppy cost me a hair over $500. Ouch! Tempered, laminated or some other form of safety glass was probably used, and required by code. That would add to the cost significantly. Fortunately, replacing sealed units with regular glass is reasonably inexpensive. -- |~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~| | Malcolm Hoar "The more I practice, the luckier I get". | | Gary Player. | | http://www.malch.com/ Shpx gur PQN. | ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ |
How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
On Oct 4, 4:00 pm, Jerry wrote:
On Oct 4, 12:00 pm, Harry K wrote: On Oct 4, 10:10 am, "Charlesmurphy via HomeKB.com" u35366@uwe wrote: That is more along the lines of my thinking since replacing the window would be very costly. Replacing the _window_ would be but you don't have to do that. Any glass company will replace just the sealed glazing unit. I have had it done (on one window twice but the warrantee paid for the second shot). Depends of course on the size of the window. 7 or 8 years ago I had a mower throw a rock into a 4ft x 8ft patio slider. Replacing the sealed unit in that puppy cost me a hair over $500. Ouch! Jerry Crazy! My glass supplier stocks the standard replacement glass for that size patio door for $180. I wish I could make $320 to install a piece of glass! JK |
How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 21:44:53 -0000, Big_Jake
wrote: On Oct 4, 4:00 pm, Jerry wrote: On Oct 4, 12:00 pm, Harry K wrote: On Oct 4, 10:10 am, "Charlesmurphy via HomeKB.com" u35366@uwe wrote: That is more along the lines of my thinking since replacing the window would be very costly. Replacing the _window_ would be but you don't have to do that. Any glass company will replace just the sealed glazing unit. I have had it done (on one window twice but the warrantee paid for the second shot). Depends of course on the size of the window. 7 or 8 years ago I had a mower throw a rock into a 4ft x 8ft patio slider. Replacing the sealed unit in that puppy cost me a hair over $500. Ouch! Jerry Crazy! My glass supplier stocks the standard replacement glass for that size patio door for $180. I wish I could make $320 to install a piece of glass! JK I have a 21" ROUND thermo pane window. The cost is $480. To install it is $250 (because it is 20 feet up). I decided to just leave the fog in the window and hang a $200 round stained glass piece over it. |
How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
locally pittsburgh window and door have a repair service.
remove section in trouble like 1/2 a double hung or picture window, with frame intact. they in a matter of ours disassemble the frame, measure and make a new sealed unit. our dogs throw themselves at our 3 foot by 4 foot picture window, it fogged. 75 bucks replaced the sealed unit with warranty. compare to 6 or 7 hundred quote for a new window, a local contractor doing job at neighbor quoted me........ |
How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
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How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
On Thu, 04 Oct 2007 15:56:39 GMT, "Charlesmurphy via HomeKB.com"
u35366@uwe wrote: I have a house with double pane windows. One of these windows has fog/condensation between the panes. None of the other windows have this problem. How can I get this moisture out? The window casing is wood. Charles Drill a hole and fill the void with argon. Seal the hole and cross your fingers. |
How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
On Fri, 05 Oct 2007 17:14:20 -0400, Jeff Wisnia
wrote: Smitty Two wrote: In article .com, wrote: On Oct 4, 11:56 am, "Charlesmurphy via HomeKB.com" u35366@uwe wrote: I have a house with double pane windows. One of these windows has fog/condensation between the panes. None of the other windows have this problem. How can I get this moisture out? The window casing is wood. Replace the window, or live with it. What's happened is that the seal between the panes has been compromised, allowing regular air, including moisture, into the gap. There is absolutely no way you can recreate the conditions at the window factory where the gap was purged and filled with specially- dried air, or a gas like argon. Even if you could, you still have the problem of finding and sealing the leak that allowed the moist normal air to penetrate. Don't be so negative. The OP merely has to build a squeegee inside the window. (Practice with a ship in a bottle, then you'll be ready.) Yeah, and if he includes a couple of rare earth magnets in the design he'll be able to move it around at will. Howbout dat? G Etch-A-Sketch? -- Oren "I didn’t say it was your fault, I said I was blaming you." |
How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
Jeff Wisnia wrote:
Smitty Two wrote: In article .com, wrote: On Oct 4, 11:56 am, "Charlesmurphy via HomeKB.com" u35366@uwe wrote: I have a house with double pane windows. One of these windows has fog/condensation between the panes. None of the other windows have this problem. How can I get this moisture out? The window casing is wood. Replace the window, or live with it. What's happened is that the seal between the panes has been compromised, allowing regular air, including moisture, into the gap. There is absolutely no way you can recreate the conditions at the window factory where the gap was purged and filled with specially- dried air, or a gas like argon. Even if you could, you still have the problem of finding and sealing the leak that allowed the moist normal air to penetrate. Don't be so negative. The OP merely has to build a squeegee inside the window. (Practice with a ship in a bottle, then you'll be ready.) Yeah, and if he includes a couple of rare earth magnets in the design he'll be able to move it around at will. Howbout dat? G I haven't tried it, but on a dry day, alternately heating and cooling the window would swap the air inside with the air outside, and carry away the moisture as well. It would take a lot of cycles, probably. You have the advantage that the heating drives out moisture that it simultaneously evaporates, so some of the physics is working in your favor at least. -- On the internet, nobody knows you're a jerk. |
How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
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How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
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Jeff Wisnia wrote: Smitty Two wrote: In article .com, wrote: On Oct 4, 11:56 am, "Charlesmurphy via HomeKB.com" u35366@uwe wrote: I have a house with double pane windows. One of these windows has fog/condensation between the panes. None of the other windows have this problem. How can I get this moisture out? The window casing is wood. Replace the window, or live with it. What's happened is that the seal between the panes has been compromised, allowing regular air, including moisture, into the gap. There is absolutely no way you can recreate the conditions at the window factory where the gap was purged and filled with specially- dried air, or a gas like argon. Even if you could, you still have the problem of finding and sealing the leak that allowed the moist normal air to penetrate. Don't be so negative. The OP merely has to build a squeegee inside the window. (Practice with a ship in a bottle, then you'll be ready.) Yeah, and if he includes a couple of rare earth magnets in the design he'll be able to move it around at will. Howbout dat? G Jeff Or use something similar to this device, which cleans the *inside* surface of your monitor simply by moving the mouse around. (Not sure whether this technology is based on rare earth magnets.) http://www.25-88.com/clean_your_monitor/brush.swf |
How do I remove moisture from a double pane window?
Ron Hardin wrote:
Jeff Wisnia wrote: Smitty Two wrote: In article .com, wrote: On Oct 4, 11:56 am, "Charlesmurphy via HomeKB.com" u35366@uwe wrote: I have a house with double pane windows. One of these windows has fog/condensation between the panes. None of the other windows have this problem. How can I get this moisture out? The window casing is wood. Replace the window, or live with it. What's happened is that the seal between the panes has been compromised, allowing regular air, including moisture, into the gap. There is absolutely no way you can recreate the conditions at the window factory where the gap was purged and filled with specially- dried air, or a gas like argon. Even if you could, you still have the problem of finding and sealing the leak that allowed the moist normal air to penetrate. Don't be so negative. The OP merely has to build a squeegee inside the window. (Practice with a ship in a bottle, then you'll be ready.) Yeah, and if he includes a couple of rare earth magnets in the design he'll be able to move it around at will. Howbout dat? G I haven't tried it, but on a dry day, alternately heating and cooling the window would swap the air inside with the air outside, and carry away the moisture as well. It would take a lot of cycles, probably. It would take far fewer cycles if the holes drilled through the bottom edge of the outer pane which I described earlier in this thread were in place. In fact, that's what happens, the (usually diurnal) changes in air temperature and insolation do it for you. Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight. You have the advantage that the heating drives out moisture that it simultaneously evaporates, so some of the physics is working in your favor at least. |
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