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[email protected] July 15th 07 07:15 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 

Some background info:

I've got an interior 275 gallon heating oil tank of indeterminate age
(though probably not more than 25 years old). The heating system gets
the standard annual maintenance from my oil supplier (cleaning,
filter, screens), including the addition of a pint or so of "acetene
(A) tank treatment & fuel conditioner" / sudge dispersant & etc.
Though I can't pick out a manufacturing date on the boiler, the
manufacturer's service literature is present and has 1976 dates. The
burner tested at 83% efficiency last summer, down from 85% two years
prior. The burner's transfer coil and control unit have been replaced
within the past two years, and the flow control valve shows evidence
of some slight leakage (and I decided to defer the $450 repair). We
use about 950 gallons of oil annually (in eastern PA).

My oil supplier offers a "tank cleaning" at $250. Being flush with
cash at that time, I had them do this in 2000. Basically, they
drained all of the remaining oil and did whatever other magic they do
as part of that work. On at least one occassion since that time
(although we're on automatic delivery) we actually ran out of oil, and
so the tank was presumedly thoroughly drained.

Here's my question:

Is there enough value associated with cleaning out the tank as to make
it worth doing periodically? And at what interval? Is the "tank
treatment" fluid likely to be sufficient to maintain the interior of
the tank in reasonably good condition?

Thanks in advance for your observations and advice.

Oscar.


EXT July 15th 07 08:16 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
I have never heard of a "tank cleaning service" -- it sounds like a revenue
generating idea created by the heating oil company.

Any tank that is 25 years old, cleaned or not, may be questioned by your
insurance company with a demand to replace it with a new tank. Insurance
companies don't want a huge payout for environmental cleanup if it should
leak.


wrote in message
ups.com...

Some background info:

I've got an interior 275 gallon heating oil tank of indeterminate age
(though probably not more than 25 years old). The heating system gets
the standard annual maintenance from my oil supplier (cleaning,
filter, screens), including the addition of a pint or so of "acetene
(A) tank treatment & fuel conditioner" / sudge dispersant & etc.
Though I can't pick out a manufacturing date on the boiler, the
manufacturer's service literature is present and has 1976 dates. The
burner tested at 83% efficiency last summer, down from 85% two years
prior. The burner's transfer coil and control unit have been replaced
within the past two years, and the flow control valve shows evidence
of some slight leakage (and I decided to defer the $450 repair). We
use about 950 gallons of oil annually (in eastern PA).

My oil supplier offers a "tank cleaning" at $250. Being flush with
cash at that time, I had them do this in 2000. Basically, they
drained all of the remaining oil and did whatever other magic they do
as part of that work. On at least one occassion since that time
(although we're on automatic delivery) we actually ran out of oil, and
so the tank was presumedly thoroughly drained.

Here's my question:

Is there enough value associated with cleaning out the tank as to make
it worth doing periodically? And at what interval? Is the "tank
treatment" fluid likely to be sufficient to maintain the interior of
the tank in reasonably good condition?

Thanks in advance for your observations and advice.

Oscar.




Edwin Pawlowski July 15th 07 08:32 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 

"EXT" wrote in message
anews.com...
I have never heard of a "tank cleaning service" -- it sounds like a revenue
generating idea created by the heating oil company.

Any tank that is 25 years old, cleaned or not, may be questioned by your
insurance company with a demand to replace it with a new tank. Insurance
companies don't want a huge payout for environmental cleanup if it should
leak.


Underground tanks have a life of 15 to 30 years. Above ground tanks
considerably more. You can do ultrasonic tests that reveal rusting of the
tank. I've never heard of one being replaced because the insurance company
requested it, but I guess it can happen. I know of may tanks that are 50
years plus and still working.



EXT July 15th 07 09:04 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
et...

"EXT" wrote in message
anews.com...
I have never heard of a "tank cleaning service" -- it sounds like a
revenue generating idea created by the heating oil company.

Any tank that is 25 years old, cleaned or not, may be questioned by your
insurance company with a demand to replace it with a new tank. Insurance
companies don't want a huge payout for environmental cleanup if it should
leak.


Underground tanks have a life of 15 to 30 years. Above ground tanks
considerably more. You can do ultrasonic tests that reveal rusting of the
tank. I've never heard of one being replaced because the insurance
company requested it, but I guess it can happen. I know of may tanks that
are 50 years plus and still working.


Here in Canada, it is common for Home Insurance companies to require tanks
that are 25 years old or more to insist on them being replaced, because of
this they actually caused a shortage in tank supplies as the replacements
increased in number.



aemeijers July 15th 07 09:35 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 

"EXT" wrote in message
anews.com...

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
et...

"EXT" wrote in message
anews.com...
I have never heard of a "tank cleaning service" -- it sounds like a
revenue generating idea created by the heating oil company.

Any tank that is 25 years old, cleaned or not, may be questioned by your
insurance company with a demand to replace it with a new tank. Insurance
companies don't want a huge payout for environmental cleanup if it
should leak.


Underground tanks have a life of 15 to 30 years. Above ground tanks
considerably more. You can do ultrasonic tests that reveal rusting of
the tank. I've never heard of one being replaced because the insurance
company requested it, but I guess it can happen. I know of may tanks
that are 50 years plus and still working.


Here in Canada, it is common for Home Insurance companies to require tanks
that are 25 years old or more to insist on them being replaced, because of
this they actually caused a shortage in tank supplies as the replacements
increased in number.

I can understand that on tanks exposed to weather or ground moisture, but a
basement tank? (Assuming a dry basement, of course.) As long as outside
shows no signs of rust, I'd think a borescope inspection of interior every
five years or so (I assume these things have a bunghole?) would be more than
adequate. I know the pickup tube isn't on the bottom, but as long as no rust
flakes are visible in the drained sludge, what are the odds of major
interior rustout with no outside evidence?

(Having said that, any interior tank should of course have a spill berm
around it, or be sitting in one of those giant kitty litter pans.)

aem sends...



Art July 15th 07 11:20 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
My parents sold their 50 year old house 4 years ago. Original tank and had
never been cleaned.


wrote in message
ups.com...

Some background info:

I've got an interior 275 gallon heating oil tank of indeterminate age
(though probably not more than 25 years old). The heating system gets
the standard annual maintenance from my oil supplier (cleaning,
filter, screens), including the addition of a pint or so of "acetene
(A) tank treatment & fuel conditioner" / sudge dispersant & etc.
Though I can't pick out a manufacturing date on the boiler, the
manufacturer's service literature is present and has 1976 dates. The
burner tested at 83% efficiency last summer, down from 85% two years
prior. The burner's transfer coil and control unit have been replaced
within the past two years, and the flow control valve shows evidence
of some slight leakage (and I decided to defer the $450 repair). We
use about 950 gallons of oil annually (in eastern PA).

My oil supplier offers a "tank cleaning" at $250. Being flush with
cash at that time, I had them do this in 2000. Basically, they
drained all of the remaining oil and did whatever other magic they do
as part of that work. On at least one occassion since that time
(although we're on automatic delivery) we actually ran out of oil, and
so the tank was presumedly thoroughly drained.

Here's my question:

Is there enough value associated with cleaning out the tank as to make
it worth doing periodically? And at what interval? Is the "tank
treatment" fluid likely to be sufficient to maintain the interior of
the tank in reasonably good condition?

Thanks in advance for your observations and advice.

Oscar.




Big_Jake July 16th 07 12:01 AM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
On Jul 15, 5:20 pm, "Art" wrote:
My parents sold their 50 year old house 4 years ago. Original tank and had
never been cleaned.

wrote in message

ups.com...



Some background info:


I've got an interior 275 gallon heating oil tank of indeterminate age
(though probably not more than 25 years old). The heating system gets
the standard annual maintenance from my oil supplier (cleaning,
filter, screens), including the addition of a pint or so of "acetene
(A) tank treatment & fuel conditioner" / sudge dispersant & etc.
Though I can't pick out a manufacturing date on the boiler, the
manufacturer's service literature is present and has 1976 dates. The
burner tested at 83% efficiency last summer, down from 85% two years
prior. The burner's transfer coil and control unit have been replaced
within the past two years, and the flow control valve shows evidence
of some slight leakage (and I decided to defer the $450 repair). We
use about 950 gallons of oil annually (in eastern PA).


My oil supplier offers a "tank cleaning" at $250. Being flush with
cash at that time, I had them do this in 2000. Basically, they
drained all of the remaining oil and did whatever other magic they do
as part of that work. On at least one occassion since that time
(although we're on automatic delivery) we actually ran out of oil, and
so the tank was presumedly thoroughly drained.


Here's my question:


Is there enough value associated with cleaning out the tank as to make
it worth doing periodically? And at what interval? Is the "tank
treatment" fluid likely to be sufficient to maintain the interior of
the tank in reasonably good condition?


Thanks in advance for your observations and advice.


Oscar.


I'm with you there Art - I'm pretty sure that I have oil tanks in my
rental houses that are 75+ years old. When we have removed them,
there is a fair amount of sludge in the bottom, but we have never had
a serious issue due to dirt in a tank. These are all in basements,
not buried.

JK


mm July 16th 07 12:17 AM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 18:15:00 -0000, wrote:

Is there enough value associated with cleaning out the tank as to make


I only have my own case as an example. House is 28 years old. I've
never done any maintenance to my tank, on legs in my basment. When I
started reading this list, someone brought it up, so I looked at the
bottom of the tank and afaict it loooked the same as 24 years ago.

Because I'm screwed up, and not always on auto delivery, I've run out
of oil at least 4 times (once which I was on auto iirc) and I guess
since the fuel line has no filter, every time I've run out, I've had
to prime the pump again, and I think every or almost every time, I've
had to replace the nozzle (which has a hole so small I can't barely
see the opening and can't see the hole) But most people replace the
nozzle every year anyhow, isn't that right. I found a place that will
sell me nozzles, for times I run out of oil.

George July 16th 07 02:03 AM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
aemeijers wrote:

I can understand that on tanks exposed to weather or ground moisture, but a
basement tank? (Assuming a dry basement, of course.) As long as outside
shows no signs of rust, I'd think a borescope inspection of interior every
five years or so (I assume these things have a bunghole?) would be more than
adequate. I know the pickup tube isn't on the bottom, but as long as no rust
flakes are visible in the drained sludge, what are the odds of major
interior rustout with no outside evidence?

There can (and often is) moisture in a fuel oil tank. There are two
outcomes. One is the tank rusts. The other is microbes that grow in the
area between the oil and water and feast on the oil since oil is
slightly hygroscopic causing "goo" which blocks equipment.

(Having said that, any interior tank should of course have a spill berm
around it, or be sitting in one of those giant kitty litter pans.)

aem sends...



All (new/replacement) interior tanks have been double wall for some time.

George July 16th 07 02:04 AM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"EXT" wrote in message
anews.com...
I have never heard of a "tank cleaning service" -- it sounds like a revenue
generating idea created by the heating oil company.

Any tank that is 25 years old, cleaned or not, may be questioned by your
insurance company with a demand to replace it with a new tank. Insurance
companies don't want a huge payout for environmental cleanup if it should
leak.


Underground tanks have a life of 15 to 30 years. Above ground tanks
considerably more. You can do ultrasonic tests that reveal rusting of the
tank. I've never heard of one being replaced because the insurance company
requested it, but I guess it can happen. I know of may tanks that are 50
years plus and still working.


I know a few friends whose insurer required tanks to be replaced only
because of age. It also lessens further risk because all new interior
tanks are double wall.

Edwin Pawlowski July 16th 07 03:00 AM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 

"George" wrote in message

I know a few friends whose insurer required tanks to be replaced only
because of age. It also lessens further risk because all new interior
tanks are double wall.


I'd change insurers. They are welcome to come and inspect my tank, but I'll
be damned if I'm going to replace a perfectly good tank just because it hit
a certain age.

Our insurance company at work (as well as state law) requires we inspect our
air tanks every two years. It takes about 5 minutes to do an ultrasound on
one. Much cheaper that scrapping good material.



Pete C. July 16th 07 05:21 AM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
George wrote:

aemeijers wrote:

I can understand that on tanks exposed to weather or ground moisture, but a
basement tank? (Assuming a dry basement, of course.) As long as outside
shows no signs of rust, I'd think a borescope inspection of interior every
five years or so (I assume these things have a bunghole?) would be more than
adequate. I know the pickup tube isn't on the bottom, but as long as no rust
flakes are visible in the drained sludge, what are the odds of major
interior rustout with no outside evidence?

There can (and often is) moisture in a fuel oil tank. There are two
outcomes. One is the tank rusts. The other is microbes that grow in the
area between the oil and water and feast on the oil since oil is
slightly hygroscopic causing "goo" which blocks equipment.


And all the water in the tank will collect at the bottom to cause rust
there where it will do the most damage. Normally however a sudden
failure is pretty rare and pinhole leaks occur well before any
significant leak.


(Having said that, any interior tank should of course have a spill berm
around it, or be sitting in one of those giant kitty litter pans.)

aem sends...



All (new/replacement) interior tanks have been double wall for some time.


Perhaps in your particular area, however you can readily purchase and
install a new 275 or 330 gal single wall steel tank in most areas.

mm July 16th 07 05:38 AM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:04:37 -0400, George
wrote:


I know a few friends whose insurer required tanks to be replaced only
because of age. It also lessens further risk because all new interior
tanks are double wall.


But after one wall fails, eventually the other wall will too. So in
the long run, how is this better than single wall?

George July 16th 07 12:27 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
mm wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:04:37 -0400, George
wrote:

I know a few friends whose insurer required tanks to be replaced only
because of age. It also lessens further risk because all new interior
tanks are double wall.


But after one wall fails, eventually the other wall will too. So in
the long run, how is this better than single wall?


Because it seems the concept of having a tank forever will disappear.

George July 16th 07 12:29 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
Pete C. wrote:
George wrote:
aemeijers wrote:

I can understand that on tanks exposed to weather or ground moisture, but a
basement tank? (Assuming a dry basement, of course.) As long as outside
shows no signs of rust, I'd think a borescope inspection of interior every
five years or so (I assume these things have a bunghole?) would be more than
adequate. I know the pickup tube isn't on the bottom, but as long as no rust
flakes are visible in the drained sludge, what are the odds of major
interior rustout with no outside evidence?

There can (and often is) moisture in a fuel oil tank. There are two
outcomes. One is the tank rusts. The other is microbes that grow in the
area between the oil and water and feast on the oil since oil is
slightly hygroscopic causing "goo" which blocks equipment.


And all the water in the tank will collect at the bottom to cause rust
there where it will do the most damage. Normally however a sudden
failure is pretty rare and pinhole leaks occur well before any
significant leak.



My buddy has a fuel oil company. He said the typical failure is that the
rusted tank blows while being filled.



(Having said that, any interior tank should of course have a spill berm
around it, or be sitting in one of those giant kitty litter pans.)

aem sends...


All (new/replacement) interior tanks have been double wall for some time.


Perhaps in your particular area, however you can readily purchase and
install a new 275 or 330 gal single wall steel tank in most areas.



Might be old inventory or something and of course there is a lot you can
do when no one is looking. According to my buddy there is some
requirement for new/replacement to be doublewall.

David Martel July 16th 07 01:16 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
George,

I don't doubt that there is some moisture in heating oil. Even if there
isn't moisture will still get into the tank. In cars there are products
known as Dry Gas that will solubilize and remove this water in the gas tank.
Doesn't the heating industry have something like this?

Dave M.



George July 16th 07 01:34 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
David Martel wrote:
George,

I don't doubt that there is some moisture in heating oil. Even if there
isn't moisture will still get into the tank. In cars there are products
known as Dry Gas that will solubilize and remove this water in the gas tank.
Doesn't the heating industry have something like this?

Dave M.


Yes, and it is also available in jet fuel (kerosene) for the same reason.

Pete C. July 16th 07 04:05 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
George wrote:

Pete C. wrote:
George wrote:
aemeijers wrote:

I can understand that on tanks exposed to weather or ground moisture, but a
basement tank? (Assuming a dry basement, of course.) As long as outside
shows no signs of rust, I'd think a borescope inspection of interior every
five years or so (I assume these things have a bunghole?) would be more than
adequate. I know the pickup tube isn't on the bottom, but as long as no rust
flakes are visible in the drained sludge, what are the odds of major
interior rustout with no outside evidence?

There can (and often is) moisture in a fuel oil tank. There are two
outcomes. One is the tank rusts. The other is microbes that grow in the
area between the oil and water and feast on the oil since oil is
slightly hygroscopic causing "goo" which blocks equipment.


And all the water in the tank will collect at the bottom to cause rust
there where it will do the most damage. Normally however a sudden
failure is pretty rare and pinhole leaks occur well before any
significant leak.


My buddy has a fuel oil company. He said the typical failure is that the
rusted tank blows while being filled.


That is indeed the typical catastrophic failure, caused by not
inspecting and noticing the pinhole leaks that were there for at least a
year or more prior.



(Having said that, any interior tank should of course have a spill berm
around it, or be sitting in one of those giant kitty litter pans.)

aem sends...


All (new/replacement) interior tanks have been double wall for some time.


Perhaps in your particular area, however you can readily purchase and
install a new 275 or 330 gal single wall steel tank in most areas.


Might be old inventory or something and of course there is a lot you can
do when no one is looking. According to my buddy there is some
requirement for new/replacement to be doublewall.


Again, probably a local requirement. MA perhaps?

Pete C. July 16th 07 04:07 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
George wrote:

David Martel wrote:
George,

I don't doubt that there is some moisture in heating oil. Even if there
isn't moisture will still get into the tank. In cars there are products
known as Dry Gas that will solubilize and remove this water in the gas tank.
Doesn't the heating industry have something like this?

Dave M.


Yes, and it is also available in jet fuel (kerosene) for the same reason.


Additionally, there are water absorbent "socks" that you can put at the
bottom of the tank (on a string for removal) that will absorb water and
not the fuel oil. You replace them periodically and some are wringable
and reusable.

Pete C. July 16th 07 04:09 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
mm wrote:

On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:04:37 -0400, George
wrote:


I know a few friends whose insurer required tanks to be replaced only
because of age. It also lessens further risk because all new interior
tanks are double wall.


But after one wall fails, eventually the other wall will too. So in
the long run, how is this better than single wall?


It's better because there is an alarm / indicator of some sort
monitoring the space between the tank walls. Inner wall fails, alarm
goes off and the tank is drained and replaced before the outer wall can
fail.

George July 16th 07 04:31 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
mm wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:04:37 -0400, George
wrote:

I know a few friends whose insurer required tanks to be replaced only
because of age. It also lessens further risk because all new interior
tanks are double wall.


But after one wall fails, eventually the other wall will too. So in
the long run, how is this better than single wall?


Coffee didn't kick in yet. A double wall is valuable because you can
periodically sample inside the second wall or install a alarm that will
sound if it detects something.

George July 16th 07 04:34 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"George" wrote in message
I know a few friends whose insurer required tanks to be replaced only
because of age. It also lessens further risk because all new interior
tanks are double wall.


I'd change insurers. They are welcome to come and inspect my tank, but I'll
be damned if I'm going to replace a perfectly good tank just because it hit
a certain age.

Our insurance company at work (as well as state law) requires we inspect our
air tanks every two years. It takes about 5 minutes to do an ultrasound on
one. Much cheaper that scrapping good material.



Certain local oil companies will no longer fill inside tanks unless you
have proof of age or a certificate from an inspector. They pay giant
premiums for spillage insurance and their insurers give them a discount
for doing this.

George July 16th 07 04:36 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
Pete C. wrote:
George wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
George wrote:
aemeijers wrote:

I can understand that on tanks exposed to weather or ground moisture, but a
basement tank? (Assuming a dry basement, of course.) As long as outside
shows no signs of rust, I'd think a borescope inspection of interior every
five years or so (I assume these things have a bunghole?) would be more than
adequate. I know the pickup tube isn't on the bottom, but as long as no rust
flakes are visible in the drained sludge, what are the odds of major
interior rustout with no outside evidence?

There can (and often is) moisture in a fuel oil tank. There are two
outcomes. One is the tank rusts. The other is microbes that grow in the
area between the oil and water and feast on the oil since oil is
slightly hygroscopic causing "goo" which blocks equipment.
And all the water in the tank will collect at the bottom to cause rust
there where it will do the most damage. Normally however a sudden
failure is pretty rare and pinhole leaks occur well before any
significant leak.

My buddy has a fuel oil company. He said the typical failure is that the
rusted tank blows while being filled.


That is indeed the typical catastrophic failure, caused by not
inspecting and noticing the pinhole leaks that were there for at least a
year or more prior.

(Having said that, any interior tank should of course have a spill berm
around it, or be sitting in one of those giant kitty litter pans.)

aem sends...


All (new/replacement) interior tanks have been double wall for some time.
Perhaps in your particular area, however you can readily purchase and
install a new 275 or 330 gal single wall steel tank in most areas.

Might be old inventory or something and of course there is a lot you can
do when no one is looking. According to my buddy there is some
requirement for new/replacement to be doublewall.


Again, probably a local requirement. MA perhaps?


No, my understanding is that it isn't local. We are in PA but according
to my friend it is a requirement in at least the NE and Mid-Atlantic states.

Pete C. July 16th 07 08:09 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
George wrote:

Pete C. wrote:
George wrote:
Pete C. wrote:
George wrote:
aemeijers wrote:

I can understand that on tanks exposed to weather or ground moisture, but a
basement tank? (Assuming a dry basement, of course.) As long as outside
shows no signs of rust, I'd think a borescope inspection of interior every
five years or so (I assume these things have a bunghole?) would be more than
adequate. I know the pickup tube isn't on the bottom, but as long as no rust
flakes are visible in the drained sludge, what are the odds of major
interior rustout with no outside evidence?

There can (and often is) moisture in a fuel oil tank. There are two
outcomes. One is the tank rusts. The other is microbes that grow in the
area between the oil and water and feast on the oil since oil is
slightly hygroscopic causing "goo" which blocks equipment.
And all the water in the tank will collect at the bottom to cause rust
there where it will do the most damage. Normally however a sudden
failure is pretty rare and pinhole leaks occur well before any
significant leak.
My buddy has a fuel oil company. He said the typical failure is that the
rusted tank blows while being filled.


That is indeed the typical catastrophic failure, caused by not
inspecting and noticing the pinhole leaks that were there for at least a
year or more prior.

(Having said that, any interior tank should of course have a spill berm
around it, or be sitting in one of those giant kitty litter pans.)

aem sends...


All (new/replacement) interior tanks have been double wall for some time.
Perhaps in your particular area, however you can readily purchase and
install a new 275 or 330 gal single wall steel tank in most areas.
Might be old inventory or something and of course there is a lot you can
do when no one is looking. According to my buddy there is some
requirement for new/replacement to be doublewall.


Again, probably a local requirement. MA perhaps?


No, my understanding is that it isn't local. We are in PA but according
to my friend it is a requirement in at least the NE and Mid-Atlantic states.


Dunno, I know I saw regular single wall 275 and 330 tanks for sale in CT
within the last couple years.

dpb July 16th 07 08:18 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
George wrote:
....

No, my understanding is that it isn't local. We are in PA but according
to my friend it is a requirement in at least the NE and Mid-Atlantic
states.


http://www.epa.gov/OUST/faqs/heatoil.htm

Tanks used for the storage of heating oil for consumptive use on the
premises where stored are excluded from federal UST regulations.
However, state or territorial regulatory agencies may regulate these
tanks. You can view a map showing which states regulate these tanks..."

http://www.epa.gov/OUST/graphics/heatoil1.gif

PA actually isn't on the map (but it notes it's not kept completely up
to date)...

--


mm July 16th 07 09:03 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:16:06 GMT, "David Martel"
wrote:

George,

I don't doubt that there is some moisture in heating oil. Even if there
isn't moisture will still get into the tank. In cars there are products
known as Dry Gas that will solubilize and remove this water in the gas tank.


In the 60's one major oil company advertised that it included
something like this in the gasoline. I think even at that time, all
the major gas companies did so, and by not long after I think all the
independants did too.

But Dry Gas is still useful when there is more than the normal amount
of water in the gas tank.

Doesn't the heating industry have something like this?


I haven't heard about it.

Dave M.



mm July 16th 07 09:05 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 12:16:06 GMT, "David Martel"
wrote:

George,

I don't doubt that there is some moisture in heating oil. Even if there
isn't moisture will still get into the tank. In cars there are products
known as Dry Gas that will solubilize and remove this water in the gas tank.
Doesn't the heating industry have something like this?


I haven't heard about it.

Ooops. I got confused by my own post. I havent heard about it being
already included in the fuel oil when you buy it, but i'm not
surprised the sell it separately.


Dave M.



Dave M.



dpb July 16th 07 09:42 PM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
mm wrote:
....
But Dry Gas is still useful ...

....

Which is basically, just alcohol in which water is soluble. One
advantage of ethanol...

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mm July 17th 07 02:01 AM

How often should an interior fuel oil tank be cleaned out?
 
On Mon, 16 Jul 2007 11:31:17 -0400, George
wrote:

mm wrote:
On Sun, 15 Jul 2007 21:04:37 -0400, George
wrote:

I know a few friends whose insurer required tanks to be replaced only
because of age. It also lessens further risk because all new interior
tanks are double wall.


But after one wall fails, eventually the other wall will too. So in
the long run, how is this better than single wall?


Coffee didn't kick in yet. A double wall is valuable because you can
periodically sample inside the second wall or install a alarm that will
sound if it detects something.


Ah. Ok. Thanks.


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