A few months ago, I had a slab leak in the cold water supply to my
kitchen sink. The plumber rerouted the line through the attic using
PEX, insulated with a black foam sleeve/wrapper.

Now that summer is near, I am finding that, in the afternoon (if the
sun is out and the outdoor temperature is in the 80s or above), the
cold water from my kitchen sink tap is warm-to-hot for 30 seconds or
more before it cools down. The kitchen tap is on the other side of the
house from the cold water manifold, so it is a long run of pipe. I
measured the temperature at the tap with a kitchen thermometer today--
it was 130 deg F for 10 seconds or so, which seems really out of line.
I haven't seen this problem mentioned in other postings to this group
concerning attic routing of water supply lines.

Is this normal for attic-routed cold water supply lines in a hot
climate? I have a hard time believing that the water could pick up so
much heat. My attic has passive ventilation, with no soffit vents.
Would improving attic ventilation result in a big improvement? Or is
the plumbing work defective somehow?

Thanks

randyn wrote:
A few months ago, I had a slab leak in the cold water supply to my
kitchen sink. The plumber rerouted the line through the attic using
PEX, insulated with a black foam sleeve/wrapper.

Now that summer is near, I am finding that, in the afternoon (if the
sun is out and the outdoor temperature is in the 80s or above), the
cold water from my kitchen sink tap is warm-to-hot for 30 seconds or
more before it cools down. The kitchen tap is on the other side of the
house from the cold water manifold, so it is a long run of pipe. I
measured the temperature at the tap with a kitchen thermometer today--
it was 130 deg F for 10 seconds or so, which seems really out of line.
I haven't seen this problem mentioned in other postings to this group
concerning attic routing of water supply lines.

Is this normal for attic-routed cold water supply lines in a hot
climate? I have a hard time believing that the water could pick up so
much heat. My attic has passive ventilation, with no soffit vents.
Would improving attic ventilation result in a big improvement? Or is
the plumbing work defective somehow?

Thanks


Hm - I'd say the black foam is absorbing ambient heat in the attic. You
say it's a warm climate; is the attic air temp warm to very warm during
the day? If so, you may have to consider active ventilation and/or
insulation.

Yours aye,
W. Underhill

--
"Take sides! Always take sides! You may sometimes be wrong - but the man
who refuses to take sides must *always* be wrong! Heaven save us from
poltroons who fear to make a choice!" R.A. Heinlein, "Double Star"

On Jun 18, 9:17 pm, William Underhill wrote:
randyn wrote:
A few months ago, I had a slab leak in the cold water supply to my
kitchen sink. The plumber rerouted the line through the attic using
PEX, insulated with a black foam sleeve/wrapper.

Now that summer is near, I am finding that, in the afternoon (if the
sun is out and the outdoor temperature is in the 80s or above), the
cold water from my kitchen sink tap is warm-to-hot for 30 seconds or
more before it cools down. The kitchen tap is on the other side of the
house from the cold water manifold, so it is a long run of pipe. I
measured the temperature at the tap with a kitchen thermometer today--
it was 130 deg F for 10 seconds or so, which seems really out of line.
I haven't seen this problem mentioned in other postings to this group
concerning attic routing of water supply lines.

Is this normal for attic-routed cold water supply lines in a hot
climate? I have a hard time believing that the water could pick up so
much heat. My attic has passive ventilation, with no soffit vents.
Would improving attic ventilation result in a big improvement? Or is
the plumbing work defective somehow?

Thanks

Hm - I'd say the black foam is absorbing ambient heat in the attic. You
say it's a warm climate; is the attic air temp warm to very warm during
the day? If so, you may have to consider active ventilation and/or
insulation.

Yours aye,
W. Underhill

I should have mentioned earlier that I'm in Lubbock, Texas, where
today the temp peaked at 99.6, with a cloudless sky. The attic is
quite hot on days like this, though I haven't measured the attic
temperature. And it isn't even summer yet!

thanks,
Randy Norwood

"randyn" wrote in message
The kitchen tap is on the other side of the
house from the cold water manifold, so it is a long run of pipe. I
measured the temperature at the tap with a kitchen thermometer today--
it was 130 deg F for 10 seconds or so, which seems really out of line.
I haven't seen this problem mentioned in other postings to this group
concerning attic routing of water supply lines.

Is this normal for attic-routed cold water supply lines in a hot
climate? I have a hard time believing that the water could pick up so
much heat. My attic has passive ventilation, with no soffit vents.
Would improving attic ventilation result in a big improvement? Or is
the plumbing work defective somehow?

Thanks


Very normal. Measure the temperature in your attic and you may be surprised
at how hot it is when the sun is beating on it.

We have a similar situation at work where the water lines pass through the
ceiling of the boiler room. The water in the office water heater actually
cools off sitting in there in the summer when the boiler room temperature is
high. Now that you see how hot it is up there, consider some venting to
save on AC costs.

On Mon, 18 Jun 2007 18:55:32 -0700, randyn
wrote:

A few months ago, I had a slab leak in the cold water supply to my
kitchen sink. The plumber rerouted the line through the attic using
PEX, insulated with a black foam sleeve/wrapper.

Now that summer is near, I am finding that, in the afternoon (if the
sun is out and the outdoor temperature is in the 80s or above), the
cold water from my kitchen sink tap is warm-to-hot for 30 seconds or
more before it cools down. The kitchen tap is on the other side of the
house from the cold water manifold, so it is a long run of pipe. I
measured the temperature at the tap with a kitchen thermometer today--
it was 130 deg F for 10 seconds or so, which seems really out of line.

Out of line with what?

I haven't seen this problem mentioned in other postings to this group
concerning attic routing of water supply lines.

Is this normal for attic-routed cold water supply lines in a hot
climate? I have a hard time believing that the water could pick up so
much heat.

Check how hot is in the attic.

My attic has passive ventilation, with no soffit vents.
Would improving attic ventilation result in a big improvement? Or is
the plumbing work defective somehow?

Well, there is always the possibility that the plumber put in a water
line heater. If he liked you a lot he might not have charged for it.

Otherwise, what kind of defect would cause the water to get hot?

Well, I am curious about black insulation. It's probably dark in the
attic most of the time, but the question would be if black things also
absorb infra-red, heat waves, more than white things do. But none
of this matters after an hour or two, when everything reaches
equilibrium afaict. That is, inslulation only slows down heat
transfer, it doesn't end it. You could test this with 10 feet or
more of pex that you fill from the residential part of the house and
then pump somehow to the attic, surrounded by various kinds of
insulation, and then wait an hour and pump it back to see how hot it
is.

I'm a big believer in attic ventilation. I had full width soffits,
front and back and full width ridge vents, but I still think I lowered
the attic temp 20 or 30 degrees with a roof fan. That would still
your water at 100 degrees for those first 10 seconds. The reason to
lower the attic temp would be more to save on AC if you use that, and
increase comfort of the room.

Thanks

In article . com, randyn wrote:
A few months ago, I had a slab leak in the cold water supply to my
kitchen sink. The plumber rerouted the line through the attic using
PEX, insulated with a black foam sleeve/wrapper.

Now that summer is near, I am finding that, in the afternoon (if the
sun is out and the outdoor temperature is in the 80s or above), the
cold water from my kitchen sink tap is warm-to-hot for 30 seconds or
more before it cools down. The kitchen tap is on the other side of the
house from the cold water manifold, so it is a long run of pipe. I
measured the temperature at the tap with a kitchen thermometer today--
it was 130 deg F for 10 seconds or so, which seems really out of line.
I haven't seen this problem mentioned in other postings to this group
concerning attic routing of water supply lines.

Is this normal for attic-routed cold water supply lines in a hot
climate? I have a hard time believing that the water could pick up so
much heat.

Water is an excellent conductor of heat. Attics can easily reach 130 degrees
or higher. Water sitting in a pipe in a 130-degree attic will become
130-degree water fairly quickly.

My attic has passive ventilation, with no soffit vents.
Would improving attic ventilation result in a big improvement?

Undoubtedly. The cooler you keep the attic, the cooler the water will be.

Or is the plumbing work defective somehow?

No reason at all to suppose that it is.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

To the original poster. In the winter when the attic is cold you will
have cold water. The better your attic is insulated and the colder it
is outside the more likely the pipe in the attic will freeze solid--
then no water flow. Did the plumber consider that? How might that
happen? You go away on a winter vacation, set your thermostat to
about 55 degrees to save heat and Lubbock gets a long cold series of
days with little sun.



On Jun 19, 7:02 am, (Doug Miller) wrote:
In article . com, randyn wrote:



A few months ago, I had a slab leak in the cold water supply to my
kitchen sink. The plumber rerouted the line through the attic using
PEX, insulated with a black foam sleeve/wrapper.

Now that summer is near, I am finding that, in the afternoon (if the
sun is out and the outdoor temperature is in the 80s or above), the
cold water from my kitchen sink tap is warm-to-hot for 30 seconds or
more before it cools down. The kitchen tap is on the other side of the
house from the cold water manifold, so it is a long run of pipe. I
measured the temperature at the tap with a kitchen thermometer today--
it was 130 deg F for 10 seconds or so, which seems really out of line.
I haven't seen this problem mentioned in other postings to this group
concerning attic routing of water supply lines.

Is this normal for attic-routed cold water supply lines in a hot
climate? I have a hard time believing that the water could pick up so
much heat.

Water is an excellent conductor of heat. Attics can easily reach 130 degrees
or higher. Water sitting in a pipe in a 130-degree attic will become
130-degree water fairly quickly.

My attic has passive ventilation, with no soffit vents.
Would improving attic ventilation result in a big improvement?

Undoubtedly. The cooler you keep the attic, the cooler the water will be.

Or is the plumbing work defective somehow?

No reason at all to suppose that it is.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

On Jun 19, 9:37 pm, Howard wrote:
To the original poster. In the winter when the attic is cold you will
have cold water. The better your attic is insulated and the colder it
is outside the more likely the pipe in the attic will freeze solid--
then no water flow. Did the plumber consider that? How might that
happen? You go away on a winter vacation, set your thermostat to
about 55 degrees to save heat and Lubbock gets a long cold series of
days with little sun.


Yes, I was wondering about that too. Wasn't sure how cold it gets in
TX in winter, but anywhere that gets substantially below freezing,
this could be a problem. If the pipe can be routed under the existing
insulation, next to the drywall, that would probably work for the TX
climate.

I also don't agree with the advice that on a 100 deg day, with more
attic ventilation the temp can be reduced from the 130 down to 100.
You could get it down some, maybe 10 deg if really done well. But
without some extreme air flow, you're not going to drop in to be close
to ambient. Also, it's a waste of time. Because if you want a
glass of cold tap water, whether it comes out 130 or 115 isn't going
to make any real difference.







On Jun 19, 7:02 am, (Doug Miller) wrote:



In article . com, randyn wrote:

A few months ago, I had a slab leak in the cold water supply to my
kitchen sink. The plumber rerouted the line through the attic using
PEX, insulated with a black foam sleeve/wrapper.

Now that summer is near, I am finding that, in the afternoon (if the
sun is out and the outdoor temperature is in the 80s or above), the
cold water from my kitchen sink tap is warm-to-hot for 30 seconds or
more before it cools down. The kitchen tap is on the other side of the
house from the cold water manifold, so it is a long run of pipe. I
measured the temperature at the tap with a kitchen thermometer today--
it was 130 deg F for 10 seconds or so, which seems really out of line.
I haven't seen this problem mentioned in other postings to this group
concerning attic routing of water supply lines.

Is this normal for attic-routed cold water supply lines in a hot
climate? I have a hard time believing that the water could pick up so
much heat.

Water is an excellent conductor of heat. Attics can easily reach 130 degrees
or higher. Water sitting in a pipe in a 130-degree attic will become
130-degree water fairly quickly.

My attic has passive ventilation, with no soffit vents.
Would improving attic ventilation result in a big improvement?

Undoubtedly. The cooler you keep the attic, the cooler the water will be.

Or is the plumbing work defective somehow?

No reason at all to suppose that it is.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

Randy, did you ever get anything resolved? If so what did you have to do?

On 3/30/2019 5:49 AM, wrote:
Randy, did you ever get anything resolved? If so what did you have to do?



A couple of years ago Randy want up in the hot attic in August to check
the water lines. Unfortunately, it was so hot he dehydrated and passed
out. His kids found the mummified body when they went looking for
Christmas decorations stored there.

Randy was so well preserved he is now used in the King Tut traveling
display and his family gets paid 50 cents per visitor.

On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 9:54:10 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/30/2019 5:49 AM, wrote:
Randy, did you ever get anything resolved? If so what did you have to do?



A couple of years ago Randy want up in the hot attic in August to check
the water lines. Unfortunately, it was so hot he dehydrated and passed
out. His kids found the mummified body when they went looking for
Christmas decorations stored there.

Randy was so well preserved he is now used in the King Tut traveling
display and his family gets paid 50 cents per visitor.


If he survived he learned what has been stated here. Attics in warm climates
are hot. You can re-route the pipe so it's under the insulation and next to
the drywall and put more insulation over that area. That will help, maybe
reduce the temp 10 or 20 deg, but not sure how much that helps. If you
want tap water to be 55F, then get the water pipe out of the hot attic.

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Mar 2019 07:11:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 9:54:10 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/30/2019 5:49 AM, wrote:
Randy, did you ever get anything resolved? If so what did you have to do?



A couple of years ago Randy want up in the hot attic in August to check
the water lines. Unfortunately, it was so hot he dehydrated and passed
out. His kids found the mummified body when they went looking for
Christmas decorations stored there.

Randy was so well preserved he is now used in the King Tut traveling
display and his family gets paid 50 cents per visitor.


If he survived he learned what has been stated here. Attics in warm climates
are hot. You can re-route the pipe so it's under the insulation and next to
the drywall and put more insulation over that area. That will help, maybe
reduce the temp 10 or 20 deg, but not sure how much that helps. If you
want tap water to be 55F, then get the water pipe out of the hot attic.

Plainly, you should have two sets of pipes and run the hot water through
the attic in the summer, cold water in the winter. And vice versa.

On Sun, 31 Mar 2019 02:12:39 +0300, micky
wrote:

In alt.home.repair, on Sat, 30 Mar 2019 07:11:23 -0700 (PDT), trader_4
wrote:

On Saturday, March 30, 2019 at 9:54:10 AM UTC-4, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 3/30/2019 5:49 AM, wrote:
Randy, did you ever get anything resolved? If so what did you have to do?



A couple of years ago Randy want up in the hot attic in August to check
the water lines. Unfortunately, it was so hot he dehydrated and passed
out. His kids found the mummified body when they went looking for
Christmas decorations stored there.

Randy was so well preserved he is now used in the King Tut traveling
display and his family gets paid 50 cents per visitor.


If he survived he learned what has been stated here. Attics in warm climates
are hot. You can re-route the pipe so it's under the insulation and next to
the drywall and put more insulation over that area. That will help, maybe
reduce the temp 10 or 20 deg, but not sure how much that helps. If you
want tap water to be 55F, then get the water pipe out of the hot attic.

Plainly, you should have two sets of pipes and run the hot water through
the attic in the summer, cold water in the winter. And vice versa.


Most people with pipes in the attic live in a house on a slab where
running pipes under the slab comes with it's own problems and very
hard to do on any kind of remodel.