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Recommend Cordless Hammer Drill
I have a black and decker firestorm 24V cordless hammer drill. It works
very well. But there are 2 things I dont like. The torque setting is inconsistent. I have messed up holes occasionally due to this. Especially when changing the speed. That affects the resultant torque very much. Is there any cordless drill that has more consistent torque setting? Also, I would like some kind of drill stop to help speed up my hold making when I know the depth ahead of time. Any drill also with that feature? Thanks! dnoyeB |
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dnoyeB wrote:
I have a black and decker firestorm 24V cordless hammer drill. It works very well. But there are 2 things I dont like. The torque setting is inconsistent. I have messed up holes occasionally due to this. Especially when changing the speed. That affects the resultant torque very much. Is there any cordless drill that has more consistent torque setting? Never noticed any difficulty w/ Milwaukee but never done a controlled test, either... Also, I would like some kind of drill stop to help speed up my hold making when I know the depth ahead of time. Any drill also with that feature? .... Not than I'm aware of, but there are a million add-on ways to accomplish it from as simple as a piece of tape on the bit to "store-bought" jigs...choose a method that suits you is best I can recommend. If you typically do repetitive things of the same type, making a set of collars of the desired size(s) and depth(s) would seem worthwhile. You can, of course, buy them as well. -- |
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On Jun 8, 1:00 pm, dpb wrote:
dnoyeB wrote: I have a black and decker firestorm 24V cordless hammer drill. It works very well. But there are 2 things I dont like. The torque setting is inconsistent. I have messed up holes occasionally due to this. Especially when changing the speed. That affects the resultant torque very much. Is there any cordless drill that has more consistent torque setting? Never noticed any difficulty w/ Milwaukee but never done a controlled test, either... Also, I would like some kind of drill stop to help speed up my hold making when I know the depth ahead of time. Any drill also with that feature? ... Not than I'm aware of, but there are a million add-on ways to accomplish it from as simple as a piece of tape on the bit to "store-bought" jigs...choose a method that suits you is best I can recommend. If you typically do repetitive things of the same type, making a set of collars of the desired size(s) and depth(s) would seem worthwhile. You can, of course, buy them as well. -- We are about to start a project where we will be installing vertical supports on each side of the garage door. It will need three holes on top (each side) and three holes on the bottom (each side) ... top holes are different size from bottom. How do we make a "collar" so that after we drill the first hole and get it right, we can put on the collar and do the other holes uniform size? Thanks. |
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Is there any cordless drill that has more consistent torque setting?
Never had a problem with my Panasonic. It uses a digital readout with 16 different levels. It also has soft, medium, and hard tourque settings. Also, I would like some kind of drill stop to help speed up my hold making when I know the depth ahead of time. Any drill also with that feature? With a hand drill, people just use a piece of tape around the bit at the desired depth. It's not a real drill stop since you do have to keep an eye on the tape. It will usually prevent you from drilling too deep since you can leave a flap of tape hanging that will mostly prevent you from going too deep if you aren't too drunk. Any drill press, even a cheap one, has a drill stop. Very useful if you can bring the work to the tool since it allows you to make perfect holes and countersinks everytime. |
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Dottie wrote:
On Jun 8, 1:00 pm, dpb wrote: dnoyeB wrote: I have a black and decker firestorm 24V cordless hammer drill. It works very well. But there are 2 things I dont like. The torque setting is inconsistent. I have messed up holes occasionally due to this. Especially when changing the speed. That affects the resultant torque very much. Is there any cordless drill that has more consistent torque setting? Never noticed any difficulty w/ Milwaukee but never done a controlled test, either... Also, I would like some kind of drill stop to help speed up my hold making when I know the depth ahead of time. Any drill also with that feature? ... Not than I'm aware of, but there are a million add-on ways to accomplish it from as simple as a piece of tape on the bit to "store-bought" jigs...choose a method that suits you is best I can recommend. If you typically do repetitive things of the same type, making a set of collars of the desired size(s) and depth(s) would seem worthwhile. You can, of course, buy them as well. -- We are about to start a project where we will be installing vertical supports on each side of the garage door. It will need three holes on top (each side) and three holes on the bottom (each side) ... top holes are different size from bottom. How do we make a "collar" so that after we drill the first hole and get it right, we can put on the collar and do the other holes uniform size? Thanks. I'd use two drills or drill all of one size or then the other, or this would also be a place to use the interchangeable hex bit holder, or... Actually, I now realize that several of my drills _do_ have an extension bar w/ a clamp which can be set to hit the work at a preset depth -- in 40+ years I've never used the "feature" so had completely forgotten about it....it would be another way... -- |
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dnoyeB wrote:
I have a black and decker firestorm 24V cordless hammer drill. It works very well. But there are 2 things I dont like. The torque setting is inconsistent. I have messed up holes occasionally due to this. Especially when changing the speed. That affects the resultant torque very much. Is there any cordless drill that has more consistent torque setting? Also, I would like some kind of drill stop to help speed up my hold making when I know the depth ahead of time. Any drill also with that feature? Actually, another respondent just jogged my memory that I have a couple of hand drills (not cordless, though) that have a depth rod that can be adjusted. As I noted in that response, in all the time I've had them I've never found the need... I suppose one could fashion something similar if desired... -- |
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Dottie wrote:
.... ... How do we make a "collar" so that after we drill the first hole and get it right, we can put on the collar and do the other holes uniform size? http://www.rockler.com/product.cfm?page=10617 Is one style of purchasable ones -- actually one of the nicer as they clamp on the overall bit diameter, not like some that have just a set screw that sets on the bit itself...these, you see, are made for a range of bit sizes. To make your own, two basic choices -- 1. Drill hole in a block or the right size or slightly larger and adjust the bit in the chuck in combination w/ the wood thickness to get the right depth. Rarely is the depth so critical as that closer than 1/8-th or 1/16-th at most is required for accuracy and lots of times not even that -- all you normally require is to not blast through some piece so anything that prevents that is "good enough"... 2. Use a little more effort in the construction and model them after those in the link -- add a lock screw to one by drilling through from the side. Doesn't take much to hold in place and it's easy enough to thread a block of wood using a bolt or screw and in side grain w/ a piece of hardwood it'll hold quite a bit. Normally, unless there's a real problem in seeing what I'm doing I'll take the simple expedient of a piece of masking or electrical tape around the bit at the right place and just wing it -- again, it's rare the depth has to be exact to much precision...certainly from something you've described can't imagine it would matter much at all. HTH... -- |
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dnoyeB wrote:
I have a black and decker firestorm 24V cordless hammer drill. It works very well. But there are 2 things I dont like. The torque setting is inconsistent. I have messed up holes occasionally due to this. Especially when changing the speed. That affects the resultant torque very much. Is there any cordless drill that has more consistent torque setting? Also, I would like some kind of drill stop to help speed up my hold making when I know the depth ahead of time. Any drill also with that feature? Thanks! dnoyeB Most Milwaukee hammer drills come with a rod-style depth guage...many others do as well. |
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On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:08:21 -0500, dnoyeB wrote:
I have a black and decker firestorm 24V cordless hammer drill. It works very well. But there are 2 things I dont like. The torque setting is inconsistent. I have messed up holes occasionally due to this. Especially when changing the speed. That affects the resultant torque very much. Is there any cordless drill that has more consistent torque setting? Also, I would like some kind of drill stop to help speed up my hold making when I know the depth ahead of time. Any drill also with that feature? Thanks! dnoyeB Any comments on the consistency of the DeWalt cordless hammer drill torque adjustment? |
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dnoyeB wrote:
On Fri, 08 Jun 2007 10:08:21 -0500, dnoyeB wrote: I have a black and decker firestorm 24V cordless hammer drill. It works very well. But there are 2 things I dont like. The torque setting is inconsistent. I have messed up holes occasionally due to this. Especially when changing the speed. That affects the resultant torque very much. .... Any comments on the consistency of the DeWalt cordless hammer drill torque adjustment? What are you drilling that it is noticeable on a drill setting (messing up holes puzzles me -- I can understand depth on driving screws, harder time w/ drilling). Other than that, no comment other than the B&D Firestorm is a relatively inexpensive line, try Milwaukee red or similar... -- |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:26:25 -0500, dpb wrote:
Any comments on the consistency of the DeWalt cordless hammer drill torque adjustment? What are you drilling that it is noticeable on a drill setting (messing up holes puzzles me -- I can understand depth on driving screws, harder time w/ drilling). Other than that, no comment other than the B&D Firestorm is a relatively inexpensive line, try Milwaukee red or similar... I am screwing screws into plastic holes most often. sometimes soft wood like plywood or particle board. |
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dnoyeB wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:26:25 -0500, dpb wrote: Any comments on the consistency of the DeWalt cordless hammer drill torque adjustment? What are you drilling that it is noticeable on a drill setting (messing up holes puzzles me -- I can understand depth on driving screws, harder time w/ drilling). Other than that, no comment other than the B&D Firestorm is a relatively inexpensive line, try Milwaukee red or similar... I am screwing screws into plastic holes most often. sometimes soft wood like plywood or particle board. That's not "drilling" ... More than likely the variability is in the material more than the drill, I'm guessing from that. -- |
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On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:32:26 -0500, dpb wrote:
dnoyeB wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:26:25 -0500, dpb wrote: Any comments on the consistency of the DeWalt cordless hammer drill torque adjustment? What are you drilling that it is noticeable on a drill setting (messing up holes puzzles me -- I can understand depth on driving screws, harder time w/ drilling). Other than that, no comment other than the B&D Firestorm is a relatively inexpensive line, try Milwaukee red or similar... I am screwing screws into plastic holes most often. sometimes soft wood like plywood or particle board. That's not "drilling" ... More than likely the variability is in the material more than the drill, I'm guessing from that. Torque setting on a drill is to limit the torque, its not like a horsepower dial or anything When drilling, you turn the setting to 'drill' which is all the way up. Do you know of a better powered screw driver? I woudl like to have one as it is a headache to keep swapping out drill bits for screw heads. |
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On 12 Jun, 18:35, "dnoyeB" wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:26:25 -0500, dpb wrote: Any comments on the consistency of the DeWalt cordless hammer drill torque adjustment? What are you drilling that it is noticeable on a drill setting (messing up holes puzzles me -- I can understand depth on driving screws, harder time w/ drilling). Other than that, no comment other than the B&D Firestorm is a relatively inexpensive line, try Milwaukee red or similar... -- I am screwing screws into plastic holes most often. sometimes soft wood -- like plywood or particle board. And for this you are using a hammer drill? Hammer drills are typically used for drilling into concrete, not screwing screws (or even drilling holes) in relatively soft materials such as the examples you gave. As far as making a drill stop that should be foolproof, try this: 1 - Cut a length of dowel stock to the exact length needed to expose just enough of the drill bit for the depth of the hole 2 - Drill a hole through the center of the dowel stock. 3 - Slip the dowel stock over the drill bit. I've seen this method used when drilling the holes for undermount sinks. The last thing you want is for your "screw-on" drill stop to slide up the bit and cause you to drill through the counter top. By slipping a solid piece of dowel stock over the drill bit, you won't be able to drill any deeper than the exposed section of the bit. |
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:39:13 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote:
On 12 Jun, 18:35, "dnoyeB" wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:26:25 -0500, dpb wrote: Any comments on the consistency of the DeWalt cordless hammer drill torque adjustment? What are you drilling that it is noticeable on a drill setting (messing up holes puzzles me -- I can understand depth on driving screws, harder time w/ drilling). Other than that, no comment other than the B&D Firestorm is a relatively inexpensive line, try Milwaukee red or similar... -- I am screwing screws into plastic holes most often. sometimes soft wood -- like plywood or particle board. And for this you are using a hammer drill? Hammer drills are typically used for drilling into concrete, not screwing screws (or even drilling holes) in relatively soft materials such as the examples you gave. LOL, yea I usually have a helluva time with those flathead screws. The hammer action really requires a steady hand and damn good timing The drill needs the option to turn off the hammer feature. I am not a professional carpenter so I dont have several better tools, but fewer tools that to acceptably. its just that I am less than satisfied with the B&D. As far as making a drill stop that should be foolproof, try this: 1 - Cut a length of dowel stock to the exact length needed to expose just enough of the drill bit for the depth of the hole 2 - Drill a hole through the center of the dowel stock. 3 - Slip the dowel stock over the drill bit. I've seen this method used when drilling the holes for undermount sinks. The last thing you want is for your "screw-on" drill stop to slide up the bit and cause you to drill through the counter top. By slipping a solid piece of dowel stock over the drill bit, you won't be able to drill any deeper than the exposed section of the bit. I think these drill stops sound much better than the drill attachments. I had trouble when I had an attacment because the slightest tip of the drill and the depth changes. Using them on a counter top is a good example. I just had to do that at my moms. I use the tape now, but id rather have a proper stop of some sort. |
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On 13 Jun, 13:39, "dnoyeB" wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:39:13 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote: On 12 Jun, 18:35, "dnoyeB" wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:26:25 -0500, dpb wrote: Any comments on the consistency of the DeWalt cordless hammer drill torque adjustment? What are you drilling that it is noticeable on a drill setting (messing up holes puzzles me -- I can understand depth on driving screws, harder time w/ drilling). Other than that, no comment other than the B&D Firestorm is a relatively inexpensive line, try Milwaukee red or similar... -- I am screwing screws into plastic holes most often. sometimes soft wood -- like plywood or particle board. And for this you are using a hammer drill? Hammer drills are typically used for drilling into concrete, not screwing screws (or even drilling holes) in relatively soft materials such as the examples you gave. LOL, yea I usually have a helluva time with those flathead screws. The hammer action really requires a steady hand and damn good timing The drill needs the option to turn off the hammer feature. I am not a professional carpenter so I dont have several better tools, but fewer tools that to acceptably. its just that I am less than satisfied with the B&D. As far as making a drill stop that should be foolproof, try this: 1 - Cut a length of dowel stock to the exact length needed to expose just enough of the drill bit for the depth of the hole 2 - Drill a hole through the center of the dowel stock. 3 - Slip the dowel stock over the drill bit. I've seen this method used when drilling the holes for undermount sinks. The last thing you want is for your "screw-on" drill stop to slide up the bit and cause you to drill through the counter top. By slipping a solid piece of dowel stock over the drill bit, you won't be able to drill any deeper than the exposed section of the bit. I think these drill stops sound much better than the drill attachments. I had trouble when I had an attacment because the slightest tip of the drill and the depth changes. Using them on a counter top is a good example. I just had to do that at my moms. I use the tape now, but id rather have a proper stop of some sort.- Hide quoted text - - Show quoted text - - The drill needs the option to turn off the hammer feature. I am not a - professional carpenter so I dont have several better tools, but fewer - tools that to acceptably. its just that I am less than satisfied with the - B&D. My point was that a hammer drill is not a standard homeowner or carpenter's drill. Typically one would only buy a hammer drill as an "specialty" tool, not as the only drill in one's arsenal, especially if the hammer feature cannot be turned off. I cannot imagine trying to use a hammer drill for everyday projects. Perhaps you are less than satisfied because you're using the wrong tool, not because the tool itself is a B&D. |
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dnoyeB wrote:
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 18:32:26 -0500, dpb wrote: dnoyeB wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:26:25 -0500, dpb wrote: Any comments on the consistency of the DeWalt cordless hammer drill torque adjustment? What are you drilling that it is noticeable on a drill setting (messing up holes puzzles me -- I can understand depth on driving screws, harder time w/ drilling). Other than that, no comment other than the B&D Firestorm is a relatively inexpensive line, try Milwaukee red or similar... I am screwing screws into plastic holes most often. sometimes soft wood like plywood or particle board. That's not "drilling" ... More than likely the variability is in the material more than the drill, I'm guessing from that. Torque setting on a drill is to limit the torque, its not like a horsepower dial or anything When drilling, you turn the setting to 'drill' which is all the way up. Do you know of a better powered screw driver? I woudl like to have one as it is a headache to keep swapping out drill bits for screw heads. I have only Milwaukee for cordless and no complaints. I don't do enough setting of screws like drywall or deck-laying, etc., to make a dedicated screwgun worthwhile. As noted, I've never had a complaint w/ Red for the torque setting w/ what I have done... -- |
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dnoyeB wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:39:13 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote: On 12 Jun, 18:35, "dnoyeB" wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:26:25 -0500, dpb wrote: .... -- I am screwing screws into plastic holes most often. sometimes soft wood -- like plywood or particle board. And for this you are using a hammer drill? ... ... The drill needs the option to turn off the hammer feature. ... If it doesn't have that, it's worthless for anything except that. I wasn't aware even the cheap B&D stuff didn't have that capability. In that case, almost anything would be better... -- |
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:52:37 -0500, dpb wrote:
dnoyeB wrote: When drilling, you turn the setting to 'drill' which is all the way up. Do you know of a better powered screw driver? I woudl like to have one as it is a headache to keep swapping out drill bits for screw heads. I have only Milwaukee for cordless and no complaints. I don't do enough setting of screws like drywall or deck-laying, etc., to make a dedicated screwgun worthwhile. As noted, I've never had a complaint w/ Red for the torque setting w/ what I have done... thanks. ill have to consider them. I am considering a dedicated screw tool now. then perhaps I can keep the B&D for the hammer action and swap bits less. |
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 10:58:18 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote: -
- Show quoted text - - The drill needs the option to turn off the hammer feature. I am not a - professional carpenter so I dont have several better tools, but fewer - tools that to acceptably. its just that I am less than satisfied with the - B&D. My point was that a hammer drill is not a standard homeowner or carpenter's drill. Typically one would only buy a hammer drill as an "specialty" tool, not as the only drill in one's arsenal, especially if the hammer feature cannot be turned off. I cannot imagine trying to use a hammer drill for everyday projects. Perhaps you are less than satisfied because you're using the wrong tool, not because the tool itself is a B&D. Perhaps I was not clear. The drill I have no is a B&D 24V cordless hammer drill. The hammer feature can be turned on and off. it has a torque know too, and a hand chuck. I use the hammer feature when I am drilling into the basement walls or floor for one reason or another. Otherwise I use the drill with the hammering turned off. |
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:55:33 -0500, dpb wrote:
dnoyeB wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:39:13 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote: On 12 Jun, 18:35, "dnoyeB" wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:26:25 -0500, dpb wrote: ... -- I am screwing screws into plastic holes most often. sometimes soft wood -- like plywood or particle board. And for this you are using a hammer drill? ... .. The drill needs the option to turn off the hammer feature. ... If it doesn't have that, it's worthless for anything except that. I wasn't aware even the cheap B&D stuff didn't have that capability. In that case, almost anything would be better... it was supposed to be sarcasm :/ The drill does allow you to turn off the hammer feature. |
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dnoyeB wrote:
On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 14:55:33 -0500, dpb wrote: dnoyeB wrote: On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 08:39:13 -0700, DerbyDad03 wrote: On 12 Jun, 18:35, "dnoyeB" wrote: On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 11:26:25 -0500, dpb wrote: ... -- I am screwing screws into plastic holes most often. sometimes soft wood -- like plywood or particle board. And for this you are using a hammer drill? ... .. The drill needs the option to turn off the hammer feature. ... If it doesn't have that, it's worthless for anything except that. I wasn't aware even the cheap B&D stuff didn't have that capability. In that case, almost anything would be better... it was supposed to be sarcasm :/ The drill does allow you to turn off the hammer feature. OK...I missed out. I had thought that but figured they might have forgotten it... I'm still partial to Red (Milwaukee) if you're still asking... But, they're not cheap -- not most expensive certainly, but not on the "low price spread" side, either. -- |
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On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 17:58:34 -0500, dpb wrote:
it was supposed to be sarcasm :/ The drill does allow you to turn off the hammer feature. OK...I missed out. I had thought that but figured they might have forgotten it... I'm still partial to Red (Milwaukee) if you're still asking... But, they're not cheap -- not most expensive certainly, but not on the "low price spread" side, either. Thanks, thats what I am looking for. Recommendations and opinions. |
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