275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
How many gallons of heating oil should I be going through a month? I
filled up my tank on November 7th and my gauge stopped working so I'm not sure when to request a refill. Knocking on the sides of the tank makes it seem like it's well below half - maybe even a quarter full. Should I have used that much in two months? I'm in CT and it's been a very mild winter (70 degrees on Saturday). My oil burner is an effecient 7 year old McClain and I live in a fairly insulated 1300 sq ft Cape Cod. My oil heats my house and hot water (hot water is one of those mini tanks that connects to the oil burner that automatically heats water on demand), my stove is electric. Anyone is a similar situation care to share with me their fillup averages? |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
Joe wrote: How many gallons of heating oil should I be going through a month? I filled up my tank on November 7th and my gauge stopped working so I'm not sure when to request a refill. Knocking on the sides of the tank makes it seem like it's well below half - maybe even a quarter full. Should I have used that much in two months? I'm in CT and it's been a very mild winter (70 degrees on Saturday). My oil burner is an effecient 7 year old McClain and I live in a fairly insulated 1300 sq ft Cape Cod. My oil heats my house and hot water (hot water is one of those mini tanks that connects to the oil burner that automatically heats water on demand), my stove is electric. Anyone is a similar situation care to share with me their fillup averages? Your supplier may schedule fillups on the basis of degree-days and your past history. You could ask him. You could also remove the gauge with a wrench and "stick" the tank through the opening. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
Joe wrote:
How many gallons of heating oil should I be going through a month? I filled up my tank on November 7th and my gauge stopped working so I'm not sure when to request a refill. Knocking on the sides of the tank makes it seem like it's well below half - maybe even a quarter full. Should I have used that much in two months? I'm in CT and it's been a very mild winter (70 degrees on Saturday). My oil burner is an effecient 7 year old McClain and I live in a fairly insulated 1300 sq ft Cape Cod. My oil heats my house and hot water (hot water is one of those mini tanks that connects to the oil burner that automatically heats water on demand), my stove is electric. Anyone is a similar situation care to share with me their fillup averages? Just buy a new tank gauge, they aren't expensive perhaps $30. They are also easy to replace if they are separate, if it's the combined gauge and breather Y fitting, just get the standalone gauge and install in on one of the other tank top openings (usually four) and ignore the old gauge. Unless you jump to the lowest price at the moment each fill up, just have the oil company put you on scheduled delivery and you won't have to worry. The first few times they'll come extra early to insure you don't run out, and based on the degree days and the gallons in each delivery the software they use will calculate a proper fill interval for you and adjust it as needed based on the weather. It works very well. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
Pete C. wrote: Joe wrote: How many gallons of heating oil should I be going through a month? .. What have you averaged previously? Just buy a new tank gauge, they aren't expensive perhaps $30. ... Or use a clean broomstick handle or similar as a dipstick... :) |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
I tried to replace the tank gauge. I think this tank is about 50 years
old and the gauge started to fall apart when I tried to twist it. It also looks like there is some kind of grey sealant that has welded itself to the threads over the years. There are no other available holes on the top of the tank. There is one where the oil comes in and another where it goes out. The tank was inspected when I bought the house and was declared in good shape. As far as buying oil is concerned I was offered a plan in the fall but the prices were too high back then - about $2.70 per gallon so I have been buying the oil from a wholesaler for $1.99 but he doesn't do schedules and you have to call him to fill up. I'm just wondering if every two months is about standard. The last thing I want to do is run out and have my pipes freeze. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
Joe wrote: I'm just wondering if every two months is about standard. The last thing I want to do is run out and have my pipes freeze. Depends on how well your home maintains the heat...insulation, etc. My past home in Upstate, NY which was a cape about 50 years old, I was filling up every month in the winter which got to be pretty expensive. With The home I have now, a ranch around 25 years old, I am filling up about 4 times/year.....which is quite a difference. The home now maintains the heat VERY well. Does your cape have insulation on the attic floor? If planning on stsying there for a long while, might want to think sealing your home nice and tight. Probably pay for itself with that amount of fuel. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
Joe wrote:
How many gallons of heating oil should I be going through a month? I filled up my tank on November 7th and my gauge stopped working so I'm not sure when to request a refill. Knocking on the sides of the tank makes it seem like it's well below half - maybe even a quarter full. Should I have used that much in two months? I'm in CT and it's been a very mild winter (70 degrees on Saturday). My oil burner is an effecient 7 year old McClain and I live in a fairly insulated 1300 sq ft Cape Cod. My oil heats my house and hot water (hot water is one of those mini tanks that connects to the oil burner that automatically heats water on demand), my stove is electric. Anyone is a similar situation care to share with me their fillup averages? Hey Joe . Check with your oil supplier or a tank dealer. See if you can get a gallon per inch chart that matches your tank. Then use some sort of rod to measure the inches of oil, and with a chart, convert inches to gallons :-) Works well !! Whiteoak |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
Joe wrote:
I tried to replace the tank gauge. SNIP I would not mess with any tank fittings, including the gage port,if it won't come out easily. This may sound a bit extreme, but I would wire a clock (old time one with hands that go 'round :-) directly to the burner motor. This will let you keep a total of the burner running time and, knowing the nozzle size, the total consumption in gallons. You may not have to pull the burner out to find the nozzle size. See if there is an old nozzle laying about or repair slip which gives it. Jim |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
Joe wrote:
I tried to replace the tank gauge. I think this tank is about 50 years old and the gauge started to fall apart when I tried to twist it. It also looks like there is some kind of grey sealant that has welded itself to the threads over the years. There are no other available holes on the top of the tank. There is one where the oil comes in and another where it goes out. The tank was inspected when I bought the house and was declared in good shape. As far as buying oil is concerned I was offered a plan in the fall but the prices were too high back then - about $2.70 per gallon so I have been buying the oil from a wholesaler for $1.99 but he doesn't do schedules and you have to call him to fill up. I'm just wondering if every two months is about standard. The last thing I want to do is run out and have my pipes freeze. You simply can't go by a number of days between fill ups since your consumption is not a constant. The software the oil companies use takes heating degree days into account along with your past usage to determine a gallons to degree day ratio for your account. By tracking the degree days since your last fill up and knowing the size of your tank the software schedules the next delivery. I'm not aware of any similar tracking software for home use. Have the tank gauge replaced when you have your burner's next annual service. It shouldn't add much to the cost of the service call if you tell them in advance so they have the part with them. As for checking the level now, if there are no other ports on the top of the tank you can use you won't be able to get an accurate reading easily. You may be able to use one of the stick on level gauges intended for LP tanks to get a decent reading. They only cover a short range so you'd want to stick it to a fairly low point on the tank, perhaps 1/4 of the way up the end. These gauges are basically liquid crystal thermometers. The way they work is you pour a little hot water on the gauge which causes it to change color. In a few seconds it starts to change back as it cools. Since the tank surface that is in contact with liquid inside will cool more rapidly you will see that area change back first indicating the approximate liquid level. The LP gauges work reasonably well on steel LP tanks so they should work ok on a steel oil tank. They are also cheap so it's worth a shot since your other option is to tap the tank and try to find the liquid level. For backup against having your pipes freeze, you can get two 5 gal cans of diesel fuel to keep as a reserve. Diesel fuel and home heating fuel are basically the same other than red dye in the untaxed heating fuel. Heating fuel is also known as "off road diesel" and frequently used for construction equipment that is only operated off road and not subject to transportation fuel taxes. 10 gal would be enough to keep you going until a next day oil delivery. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
"Joe" wrote in message ups.com... How many gallons of heating oil should I be going through a month? I filled up my tank on November 7th and my gauge stopped working so I'm not sure when to request a refill. Knocking on the sides of the tank makes it seem like it's well below half - maybe even a quarter full. Should I have used that much in two months? I'm in CT and it's been a very mild winter (70 degrees on Saturday). My oil burner is an effecient 7 year old McClain and I live in a fairly insulated 1300 sq ft Cape Cod. My oil heats my house and hot water (hot water is one of those mini tanks that connects to the oil burner that automatically heats water on demand), my stove is electric. Anyone is a similar situation care to share with me their fillup averages? Consumption varies widely ... some homes are drafty and under-insulated and some folks like 80 degrees. My 2400 sq. ft. home never used more than 800 gal. per year. It was in SW PA and some of the winters were fairly severe. This home had triple glazed windows and no leaks. I replaced the doors and gaskets to eliminate the drafts. If you can feel cold air drafts, you are wasting energy. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
Hi Charles,
I heat a 2,500 sq. ft. Cape Cod here in Halifax, N.S. and two years ago my consumption totalled 1,973.3 litres (525 US gallons). By comparison, the previous homeowners in the year prior to my purchase used 5,700 litres or just over 1,500 gallons. A new heating system (SlantFin boiler, SuperStor Ultra indirect hot water tank and Tekmar control system), plus various upgrades to my home's thermal envelope have effectively cut my fuel oil consumption by two-thirds. Last year, I installed a small (14,000 BTU/H) ductless heat pump and further reduced my fuel oil consumption to just 828.3 litres (220 US gallons). If my calculations are correct, approximately 70 per cent of this amount can be attributed to domestic hot water demand. My net savings (after subtracting the cost of electricity) came to roughly $575.00. With the unusually mild weather we've experienced thus far, I expect our consumption this winter will drop yet again. My last fill-up was September 8th and some four months later my tank gage is reading a little under 7/8ths full. Cheers, Paul On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 16:22:52 -0500, "Charles Schuler" wrote: My 2400 sq. ft. home never used more than 800 gal. per year. It was in SW PA and some of the winters were fairly severe. This home had triple glazed windows and no leaks. I replaced the doors and gaskets to eliminate the drafts. If you can feel cold air drafts, you are wasting energy. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
"Paul M. Eldridge" wrote in message ... Hi Charles, I heat a 2,500 sq. ft. Cape Cod here in Halifax, N.S. and two years ago my consumption totalled 1,973.3 litres (525 US gallons). By comparison, the previous homeowners in the year prior to my purchase used 5,700 litres or just over 1,500 gallons. A new heating system (SlantFin boiler, SuperStor Ultra indirect hot water tank and Tekmar control system), plus various upgrades to my home's thermal envelope have effectively cut my fuel oil consumption by two-thirds. Hi Paul: That is great performance. Many folks do not appreciate how much they could save by making modest investments. I added storm windows over the double-glazed windows and replaced the warped wood doors with steel doors and new gaskets. I added 6 inches of insulation in the attic. It really does make a huge difference. Also, there is a psychological advantage ... with no chilly drafts, one is much less likely to travel to the thermostat and kick it up a notch or two. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
Joe wrote:
I tried to replace the tank gauge. I think this tank is about 50 years old and the gauge started to fall apart when I tried to twist it. It also looks like there is some kind of grey sealant that has welded itself to the threads over the years. If by "falling apart" you're stating that the gauge no longer tightly seals the opening it's screwed into, then your tank is in violation of fire codes and you really ought to do something about it ASAP. Not that fuel oil vapors are anywhere near as dangerous as gasoline, but if the tank is inside and that cheapo dealer you're buying from happens to overfill the tank, some of the excess fuel oil will end up coming out of the broken gauge instead of it all going outside through the vent pipe. Do yourself and anyone else living there with you a favor and get that gauge replaced by someone who can do the job right. You've already announced to the world on this newsgroup what you did to that gauge, if the place burned down your insurer might just learn about what you did, because old newsgroup posts never really die. Stranger things have happened. Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
Jeff Wisnia wrote:
Do yourself and anyone else living there with you a favor and get that gauge replaced by someone who can do the job right. You've already announced to the world on this newsgroup what you did to that gauge, if the place burned down your insurer might just learn about what you did, because old newsgroup posts never really die. Stranger things have happened. One of the risks assumed by the insurer is that of loss caused by non criminal actions of the homeowner. Trying to remove a failed oil level gauge and giving up is not a criminal action except perhaps in the socialist republics of California and Massachusetts, so you're still covered. Whether you get renewed is another matter... |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
Pete C. wrote:
Jeff Wisnia wrote: Do yourself and anyone else living there with you a favor and get that gauge replaced by someone who can do the job right. You've already announced to the world on this newsgroup what you did to that gauge, if the place burned down your insurer might just learn about what you did, because old newsgroup posts never really die. Stranger things have happened. One of the risks assumed by the insurer is that of loss caused by non criminal actions of the homeowner. Trying to remove a failed oil level gauge and giving up is not a criminal action except perhaps in the socialist republics of California and Massachusetts, so you're still covered. Whether you get renewed is another matter... I defer to your superior knowledge of the intricacies of the insurance business Pete. But.... My being a "Native Son of the Golden State (California) who has also lived in Massachusetts for the past 54 years gives me reason to believe that you've got it backwards. G I'd 'spect that the looney left in those two states firmly believes that no one should bear any responsibility for their own actions, even if they've been told that they might have created a hazardous situation by someone (me) who was for 13 years the CE of a company which manufactured 275 gallon tank gauges and lots of other fuel oil delivery hardware. Liberals will always believe that you can pick up a turd by its clean end. Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
Jeff Wisnia wrote:
Pete C. wrote: Jeff Wisnia wrote: Do yourself and anyone else living there with you a favor and get that gauge replaced by someone who can do the job right. You've already announced to the world on this newsgroup what you did to that gauge, if the place burned down your insurer might just learn about what you did, because old newsgroup posts never really die. Stranger things have happened. One of the risks assumed by the insurer is that of loss caused by non criminal actions of the homeowner. Trying to remove a failed oil level gauge and giving up is not a criminal action except perhaps in the socialist republics of California and Massachusetts, so you're still covered. Whether you get renewed is another matter... I defer to your superior knowledge of the intricacies of the insurance business Pete. But.... My being a "Native Son of the Golden State (California) who has also lived in Massachusetts for the past 54 years gives me reason to believe that you've got it backwards. G I'd 'spect that the looney left in those two states firmly believes that no one should bear any responsibility for their own actions, even if they've been told that they might have created a hazardous situation by someone (me) who was for 13 years the CE of a company which manufactured 275 gallon tank gauges and lots of other fuel oil delivery hardware. Liberals will always believe that you can pick up a turd by its clean end. Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight. The loony left are also the only ones who think you're a criminal if you have any technical knowledge and repair / maintain anything yourself. If they know how to use tools they might make weapons and overthrow us... |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
Hi Charles,
I agree completely. I'm still working on improving the thermal efficiency of my home and hope to cut its heat loss by a further 10 to 20 per cent. This house was built in 1968 and the original insulation was pretty modest (e.g., just two inches of fibreglass in the attic). And although generally well built, it was uncomfortably drafty (I'm directly exposed to rather high winds coming off the Atlantic). Today, the situation is vastly improved. With a modest amount of passive solar and various other internal gains, this house will maintain a comfortable indoor temperature down to about 13C (55F). Once average daily temperatures consistently fall below this mark, additional heating is required. As far as I can tell, heating demand is something in the order 330 BTUs per hour, per degree F, as we fall below this demand point. If this number is more or less correct, at 0C (32F), heat loss would be approximately 7,700 BTUs per hour (2.3 kW) and at -10C (14F), it would climb to 13,600 BTUs (4.0 kW). In reality, heat loss is not truly linear across the temperature band and wind speed can have a big impact on this rate, so it's only a rough approximation. If you are curious, you can view a record of my fuel oil consumption he http://server3.pictiger.com/img/7835...onsumption.jpg For a summary of my estimated heat pump savings, see: http://server3.pictiger.com/img/7835...y-sheet%29.jpg (please note the first three years shown are simulations whereas last year and this year are actuals) The summary sheet pulls data from a daily log that tracks outdoor temperatures hour by hour. For the month of January, see: http://server3.pictiger.com/img/7835...january%29.jpg Clicking on these images allows you to enlarge them. By way of explanation, the left column of the daily log indicates if the heat pump has been turned on or off (1=on/0=off); the following column lists the outdoor temperature; the third column shows the heat pump's estimated heat output (in kW) based on its published performance curve; the fourth column is the home's estimated heat loss (in kW); the fifth column is the net heat loss or heat gain for that hour; the sixth column is the running balance or accumulative gain or loss; and lastly, the final column is a check flag that confirms the heat pump can actually operate at that temperature (we assume that below -12C, the heat pump, although it may be turned on, can no longer transfer heat and has, in effect, suspended its operation). I should add that the true performance of this heat pump may be better than what is indicated here. As you probably know, heat pumps produce less heat as the outdoor temperature falls and the spreadsheet accounts for that. However, it's my understanding that power consumption also falls but, unfortunately, I don't know by how much. For our purposes, I've assumed it stays at a constant 1.23 kW across the entire temperature band. Cheers, Paul On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 17:25:52 -0500, "Charles Schuler" wrote: Hi Paul: That is great performance. Many folks do not appreciate how much they could save by making modest investments. I added storm windows over the double-glazed windows and replaced the warped wood doors with steel doors and new gaskets. I added 6 inches of insulation in the attic. It really does make a huge difference. Also, there is a psychological advantage ... with no chilly drafts, one is much less likely to travel to the thermostat and kick it up a notch or two. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
A man of great wisdom named "Jeff Wisnia" wrote:
/snip Liberals will always believe that you can pick up a turd by its clean end. That's my new tag/sig line! Classic! |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
"Pete C." wrote in message ... Joe wrote: I tried to replace the tank gauge. I think this tank is about 50 years old and the gauge started to fall apart when I tried to twist it. It also looks like there is some kind of grey sealant that has welded itself to the threads over the years. There are no other available holes on the top of the tank. There is one where the oil comes in and another where it goes out. The tank was inspected when I bought the house and was declared in good shape. As far as buying oil is concerned I was offered a plan in the fall but the prices were too high back then - about $2.70 per gallon so I have been buying the oil from a wholesaler for $1.99 but he doesn't do schedules and you have to call him to fill up. I'm just wondering if every two months is about standard. The last thing I want to do is run out and have my pipes freeze. You simply can't go by a number of days between fill ups since your consumption is not a constant. The software the oil companies use takes heating degree days into account along with your past usage to determine a gallons to degree day ratio for your account. By tracking the degree days since your last fill up and knowing the size of your tank the software schedules the next delivery. I'm not aware of any similar tracking software for home use. Have the tank gauge replaced when you have your burner's next annual service. It shouldn't add much to the cost of the service call if you tell them in advance so they have the part with them. As for checking the level now, if there are no other ports on the top of the tank you can use you won't be able to get an accurate reading easily. You may be able to use one of the stick on level gauges intended for LP tanks to get a decent reading. They only cover a short range so you'd want to stick it to a fairly low point on the tank, perhaps 1/4 of the way up the end. These gauges are basically liquid crystal thermometers. The way they work is you pour a little hot water on the gauge which causes it to change color. In a few seconds it starts to change back as it cools. Since the tank surface that is in contact with liquid inside will cool more rapidly you will see that area change back first indicating the approximate liquid level. The LP gauges work reasonably well on steel LP tanks so they should work ok on a steel oil tank. They are also cheap so it's worth a shot since your other option is to tap the tank and try to find the liquid level. For backup against having your pipes freeze, you can get two 5 gal cans of diesel fuel to keep as a reserve. Diesel fuel and home heating fuel are basically the same other than red dye in the untaxed heating fuel. Heating fuel is also known as "off road diesel" and frequently used for construction equipment that is only operated off road and not subject to transportation fuel taxes. 10 gal would be enough to keep you going until a next day oil delivery. Even 5 gallons will do you for most likely 24 hours, but for it to be any good to you you'll need to know how to 'prime' the line to the burner to get the furnace started again assuming you ran completely out. It will also depend on your heating/insulation/outside temperature as stated previously. Take note as well that storing diesel for an extended period is not really recommended, it has a shorter shelf life then gasoline AFAIK, so if you go with that plan rotate your can(s) every couple of weeks. Personally I'd just call the repair guy and have the furnace cleaned and the gauge changed, especially if you have now somehow broken a seal on the tank threads. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
"Charles Schuler" wrote in message . .. "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... How many gallons of heating oil should I be going through a month? I filled up my tank on November 7th and my gauge stopped working so I'm not sure when to request a refill. Knocking on the sides of the tank makes it seem like it's well below half - maybe even a quarter full. Should I have used that much in two months? I'm in CT and it's been a very mild winter (70 degrees on Saturday). My oil burner is an effecient 7 year old McClain and I live in a fairly insulated 1300 sq ft Cape Cod. My oil heats my house and hot water (hot water is one of those mini tanks that connects to the oil burner that automatically heats water on demand), my stove is electric. Anyone is a similar situation care to share with me their fillup averages? Consumption varies widely ... some homes are drafty and under-insulated and some folks like 80 degrees. My 2400 sq. ft. home never used more than 800 gal. per year. It was in SW PA and some of the winters were fairly severe. This home had triple glazed windows and no leaks. I replaced the doors and gaskets to eliminate the drafts. If you can feel cold air drafts, you are wasting energy. Our furnace used to go through 275g/month in the winter but now we only go through about 300-400g all year. We didn't do any expensive insulating or window changing either, just installed a wood stove! Life is good. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
On Mon, 08 Jan 2007 20:23:58 GMT, Speedy Jim wrote:
Joe wrote: I tried to replace the tank gauge. SNIP I would not mess with any tank fittings, including the gage port,if it won't come out easily. This may sound a bit extreme, but I would wire a clock (old time one with hands that go 'round :-) directly to the burner motor. This will let you keep a total of the burner running time and, knowing the nozzle size, the total consumption in gallons. My 27 year old Carrier has the proper nozzle size listed on a spec plate just inside the cover. Almost every guy who serviced the furnace used the listed size (but one guy didn't. I wish I'd paid more attention.) You may not have to pull the burner out to find the nozzle size. See if there is an old nozzle laying about or repair slip which gives it. Jim |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
"Joe" wrote in message As far as buying oil is concerned I was offered a plan in the fall but the prices were too high back then - about $2.70 per gallon so I have been buying the oil from a wholesaler for $1.99 but he doesn't do schedules and you have to call him to fill up. I'm just wondering if every two months is about standard. The last thing I want to do is run out and have my pipes freeze. Joe, I'm in Putnam CT. I filled up a month ago and I've used about a third of the tank so far. I"ll be filling up again in February. My total use is about 800 gallons a year. I too was offered $2.70 something by Saveway and I declined, fortunately. I bought from Dollarwise and paid 2.039. Dollarwise has a network of local dealers for cheap prices. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
don't worry the seal is still intact, what I meant was the edges of the
"nut" started to strip a little so I stopped not wanted to further damage the gauge. If the house burned to the ground tomorrow I get the feeling that the only thing remaining intact would be that gauge connected to that tank. Jeff Wisnia wrote: Joe wrote: I tried to replace the tank gauge. I think this tank is about 50 years old and the gauge started to fall apart when I tried to twist it. It also looks like there is some kind of grey sealant that has welded itself to the threads over the years. If by "falling apart" you're stating that the gauge no longer tightly seals the opening it's screwed into, then your tank is in violation of fire codes and you really ought to do something about it ASAP. Not that fuel oil vapors are anywhere near as dangerous as gasoline, but if the tank is inside and that cheapo dealer you're buying from happens to overfill the tank, some of the excess fuel oil will end up coming out of the broken gauge instead of it all going outside through the vent pipe. Do yourself and anyone else living there with you a favor and get that gauge replaced by someone who can do the job right. You've already announced to the world on this newsgroup what you did to that gauge, if the place burned down your insurer might just learn about what you did, because old newsgroup posts never really die. Stranger things have happened. Jeff -- Jeffry Wisnia (W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE) The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
jackson wrote:
"Pete C." wrote in message ... Joe wrote: I tried to replace the tank gauge. I think this tank is about 50 years old and the gauge started to fall apart when I tried to twist it. It also looks like there is some kind of grey sealant that has welded itself to the threads over the years. There are no other available holes on the top of the tank. There is one where the oil comes in and another where it goes out. The tank was inspected when I bought the house and was declared in good shape. As far as buying oil is concerned I was offered a plan in the fall but the prices were too high back then - about $2.70 per gallon so I have been buying the oil from a wholesaler for $1.99 but he doesn't do schedules and you have to call him to fill up. I'm just wondering if every two months is about standard. The last thing I want to do is run out and have my pipes freeze. You simply can't go by a number of days between fill ups since your consumption is not a constant. The software the oil companies use takes heating degree days into account along with your past usage to determine a gallons to degree day ratio for your account. By tracking the degree days since your last fill up and knowing the size of your tank the software schedules the next delivery. I'm not aware of any similar tracking software for home use. Have the tank gauge replaced when you have your burner's next annual service. It shouldn't add much to the cost of the service call if you tell them in advance so they have the part with them. As for checking the level now, if there are no other ports on the top of the tank you can use you won't be able to get an accurate reading easily. You may be able to use one of the stick on level gauges intended for LP tanks to get a decent reading. They only cover a short range so you'd want to stick it to a fairly low point on the tank, perhaps 1/4 of the way up the end. These gauges are basically liquid crystal thermometers. The way they work is you pour a little hot water on the gauge which causes it to change color. In a few seconds it starts to change back as it cools. Since the tank surface that is in contact with liquid inside will cool more rapidly you will see that area change back first indicating the approximate liquid level. The LP gauges work reasonably well on steel LP tanks so they should work ok on a steel oil tank. They are also cheap so it's worth a shot since your other option is to tap the tank and try to find the liquid level. For backup against having your pipes freeze, you can get two 5 gal cans of diesel fuel to keep as a reserve. Diesel fuel and home heating fuel are basically the same other than red dye in the untaxed heating fuel. Heating fuel is also known as "off road diesel" and frequently used for construction equipment that is only operated off road and not subject to transportation fuel taxes. 10 gal would be enough to keep you going until a next day oil delivery. Even 5 gallons will do you for most likely 24 hours, That would be my typical expectation, and a little extra to insure proper flow from the large tank. but for it to be any good to you you'll need to know how to 'prime' the line to the burner to get the furnace started again assuming you ran completely out. Yes, but that is rather easy, especially if it's a gravity feed setup. It will also depend on your heating/insulation/outside temperature as stated previously. Of course. Take note as well that storing diesel for an extended period is not really recommended, it has a shorter shelf life then gasoline AFAIK, so if you go with that plan rotate your can(s) every couple of weeks. Very, very, very wrong. Diesel stores much better than gasoline. At least a year "as is", 2 years or longer if you put diesel Sta-Bil in it. Personally I'd just call the repair guy and have the furnace cleaned and the gauge changed, especially if you have now somehow broken a seal on the tank threads. Certainly replacing the gauge is a good idea. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
jackson wrote:
"Charles Schuler" wrote in message . .. "Joe" wrote in message ups.com... How many gallons of heating oil should I be going through a month? I filled up my tank on November 7th and my gauge stopped working so I'm not sure when to request a refill. Knocking on the sides of the tank makes it seem like it's well below half - maybe even a quarter full. Should I have used that much in two months? I'm in CT and it's been a very mild winter (70 degrees on Saturday). My oil burner is an effecient 7 year old McClain and I live in a fairly insulated 1300 sq ft Cape Cod. My oil heats my house and hot water (hot water is one of those mini tanks that connects to the oil burner that automatically heats water on demand), my stove is electric. Anyone is a similar situation care to share with me their fillup averages? Consumption varies widely ... some homes are drafty and under-insulated and some folks like 80 degrees. My 2400 sq. ft. home never used more than 800 gal. per year. It was in SW PA and some of the winters were fairly severe. This home had triple glazed windows and no leaks. I replaced the doors and gaskets to eliminate the drafts. If you can feel cold air drafts, you are wasting energy. Our furnace used to go through 275g/month in the winter but now we only go through about 300-400g all year. We didn't do any expensive insulating or window changing either, just installed a wood stove! Life is good. Good if you have your own forest, otherwise you have to figure the cost of the wood vs. the oil it offsets to find your real savings. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
jackson wrote:
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275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
On 8 Jan 2007 10:37:43 -0800, "Joe" wrote:
How many gallons of heating oil should I be going through a month? I filled up my tank on November 7th and my gauge stopped working so I'm not sure when to request a refill. Knocking on the sides of the tank makes it seem like it's well below half - maybe even a quarter full. Should I have used that much in two months? I'm in CT and it's been a very mild winter (70 degrees on Saturday). My oil burner is an effecient 7 year old McClain and I live in a fairly insulated 1300 sq ft Cape Cod. My oil heats my house and hot water (hot water is one of those mini tanks that connects to the oil burner that automatically heats water on demand), my stove is electric. Anyone is a similar situation care to share with me their fillup averages? Take the fill cap off the tank and put your penis in the tank. When it begins to sting, you hit oil........... Oh, wait a minute....... Your penis is way too short....... Use a broomstick and measure the depth instead. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
Hi Charles,
Earlier this week, I posted a copy of my fuel oil records he http://server3.pictiger.com/img/7835...onsumption.jpg Today, Scotia Fuels filled my tank, so I thought I'd bring you up-to-date. Between September 8th and today, I used 193.9 litres of fuel oil (51.6 US gallons). That works out to be 1.55 litres per day (0.4 US gallons/day). The bulk of this would be related to domestic hot water production, with the balance consumed as backup heat to my ductless heat pump. To add further context, Halifax, N.S. has 4,367 C heating degree days (7,861 F), whereas Buffalo, NY clocks in at 6,693 HDD F. Cheers, Paul |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
It's a bad idea to let your tank get real low especially where it's so
old. A lot of sludge will be drawn into the system. I would not let it get below 100 gallons to be safe. I have a .85 nozzle but the furnace still uses about 1 gallons/hour. I have a timer connected to the furnace so have a good record of my usage. I normally use about 3 gallons a day during December, January and February so in 60 days I would be down about 180 gallons. I plan to get filled up tomorrow (last fill was Nov 1st) and I expect to need 100 gallons. I have a pre-buy at $2.679 so I will pay the cash price instead which is 30 cents less. ---MIKE--- In the White Mountains of New Hampshire (44° 15' N - Elevation 1580') |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
"---MIKE---" wrote in message I have a pre-buy at $2.679 so I will pay the cash price instead which is 30 cents less. I drove by a local dealer in MA and his posted price is $2.26 today. Call around and you may do better as one of the guys at work just paid 2.01 but he bought 400 gallons. I'm sure glad I opted not to go with a contract price as it was 2.75 this season. |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
In article , on Thu, 11
Jan 2007 22:41:08 -0500, Edwin Pawlowski wrote: I drove by a local dealer in MA and his posted price is $2.26 today. 2.12 in my part of MA today. -- Seth Goodman |
275 gallon oil tank - how long should it be between fill-ups?
---MIKE--- wrote:
I have a .85 nozzle but the furnace still uses about 1 gallons/hour. The nozzles are rated at 100 PSI. A lot of newer two stage burners like Riello operate at 140 PSI at their high fire rate so you have to add a correction factor to find the actual flow rate. Even an older burner may not be operating that the rated 100 PSI. Pressure gauges are cheap and easy to install. |
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