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Which end of a 2x4 is the top?
070107 0531 - Rick posted:
the answer is simple whichever side is facing up is the top at HD the tops are the huge warps that are at their highest point. wrote in message ... |I just bought a bunch of 2x4s to build a partition wall in the | basement around our washer and dryer. I was ready to start building | the wall when I realized that Home Depot forgot to label the 2x4s so I | know which end is the top and which is the bottom. It figures Home | Depot would forget to put the "top" arrow on them. I thought I'd save | a few bucks going to Home Depot, but next time I'll go to a real | lumber store. | | Jerry Lay all your 2 x 4's side by side on the floor in your basement. Then, draw an arrow on each of them going the same way. When you have finished this project, take a look at all the arrows, and all those that are marked with an arrow pointing toward the top are the ones that have the arrow pointing toward the top. Hope this helps... |
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indago wrote:
- Lay all your 2 x 4's side by side on the floor in your basement. Then, draw- - an arrow on each of them going the same way. When you have finished this - project, take a look at all the arrows, and all those that are marked with - an arrow pointing toward the top are the ones that have the arrow pointing - toward the top. - - Hope this helps... I think it be better to stand them on top of each other end upon end. That way the top of each one would have to be touching the bottom of the next one. Just make sure you start with the bottom of the first one on the ground. |
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On 7 Jan 2007 08:00:45 -0800, "Harry K"
wrote: Mark Lloyd wrote: On 6 Jan 2007 08:12:00 -0800, "Harry K" wrote: DerbyDad03 wrote: Trust me, the last thing I need to research is a tree in Africa. I am constantly expanding my horizons in much more fruitful ways. Look, it's just a tree with a large trunk and skinny branches. It does not grow upside down no matter legend says. But it _is_ upside down. It is south of the equator after all. It's "down" that's upside-down. "down" is the local direction that things move in when unsupported. Harry K BTW, now I may hear about the nonexistent X-axis reversal with a mirror. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." -- Isaac Asimov Nonexistent? You don't see your left hand where the right should be in a mirror? You don't. You see your right hand and CALL it "left" (see below). Harry K What's actually reversed is the (observer relative) definition of "left" and "right". Notice that if you stand facing a mirror and point to the left with your left arm, and look in the mirror the image there appears to be pointing to the right with its right arm. Notice that both you and the image are pointing in THE SAME DIRECTION and WITH THE SAME ARM. Looks like some people pay more attention to WORDS than to the actual world around them. Reality consistently fails to do as it's told. Where the real reversal is, in on the Z-axis (front to back). As for down, as you travel around the earth (a sphere), "down" is in one of an infinite number of directions. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." -- Isaac Asimov |
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Which end of a 2x4 is the top?
On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 11:24:42 -0500, krw wrote:
In article .com, says... Mark Lloyd wrote: On 6 Jan 2007 08:12:00 -0800, "Harry K" wrote: DerbyDad03 wrote: Trust me, the last thing I need to research is a tree in Africa. I am constantly expanding my horizons in much more fruitful ways. Look, it's just a tree with a large trunk and skinny branches. It does not grow upside down no matter legend says. But it _is_ upside down. It is south of the equator after all. It's "down" that's upside-down. "down" is the local direction that things move in when unsupported. Harry K BTW, now I may hear about the nonexistent X-axis reversal with a mirror. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." -- Isaac Asimov Nonexistent? You don't see your left hand where the right should be in a mirror? It's not an x-axis reversal, rather a z-axis (front to back) reversal. Right. The first time I heard this mentioned, was while waiting for a college electronics class to start. Before class, one of them was asking "Why is it that when you look into a mirror, you appear reversed left to right but not up and down?". I seem to have solved that problem earlier, when learning to drive. Someone was telling me about looking in the rear view mirror and seeing a turn signal on a car behind. I realized that it was "left" and "right" (not the directions themselves) that were reversed. It was a lot easier to ignore the "left/right" and just notice the direction the car was signaling. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." -- Isaac Asimov |
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Keith rather haughtily wrote:
- BTW, I wouldn't expect top-posters to "get it". - Keith What's might be the funniest thing about this entire thread is those of you that responded to my "confusion" as if you thought it was a serious post. BTW, Which end of a poster is the top? krw wrote: In article .com, says... krw wrote: - It's not an x-axis reversal, rather a z-axis (front to back) reversal. Wait - I'm confused. If I have my back to the mirror how could I see my front? Certainly the mirror can'd "see" your backside, but it *is* reversing what it can, front to back. Ever looked in a corner mirror? BTW, I wouldn't expect top-posters to "get it". snip -- Keith |
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krw wrote: In article .com, says... Mark Lloyd wrote: On 6 Jan 2007 08:12:00 -0800, "Harry K" wrote: DerbyDad03 wrote: Trust me, the last thing I need to research is a tree in Africa. I am constantly expanding my horizons in much more fruitful ways. Look, it's just a tree with a large trunk and skinny branches. It does not grow upside down no matter legend says. But it _is_ upside down. It is south of the equator after all. It's "down" that's upside-down. "down" is the local direction that things move in when unsupported. Harry K BTW, now I may hear about the nonexistent X-axis reversal with a mirror. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." -- Isaac Asimov Nonexistent? You don't see your left hand where the right should be in a mirror? It's not an x-axis reversal, rather a z-axis (front to back) reversal. -- Keith Yep, Just another of those things I had forgotten Harry K |
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On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 20:29:55 -0500, krw wrote:
In article .com, says... krw wrote: - It's not an x-axis reversal, rather a z-axis (front to back) reversal. Wait - I'm confused. If I have my back to the mirror how could I see my front? Certainly the mirror can'd "see" your backside, but it *is* reversing what it can, front to back. But NOT left to right. THAT reversal is only verbal, in the user's mind. Ever looked in a corner mirror? I suppose you mean one of those that's diagonally mounted in a corner, and so wastes a lot of space. Are you looking in it straight, or at some angle? BTW, I wouldn't expect top-posters to "get it". Posting location has NOTHING to do with intelligence, or any other relevant quality. snip -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." -- Isaac Asimov |
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On 7 Jan 2007 18:09:44 -0800, "DerbyDad03"
wrote: Keith rather haughtily wrote: - BTW, I wouldn't expect top-posters to "get it". - Keith What's might be the funniest thing about this entire thread is those of you that responded to my "confusion" as if you thought it was a serious post. BTW, Which end of a poster is the top? It's the end you can't pee on because it's mounted too high :-) krw wrote: In article .com, says... krw wrote: - It's not an x-axis reversal, rather a z-axis (front to back) reversal. Wait - I'm confused. If I have my back to the mirror how could I see my front? Certainly the mirror can'd "see" your backside, but it *is* reversing what it can, front to back. Ever looked in a corner mirror? BTW, I wouldn't expect top-posters to "get it". snip -- Keith |
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Mark Lloyd writes:
On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 20:29:55 -0500, krw wrote: Ever looked in a corner mirror? I suppose you mean one of those that's diagonally mounted in a corner, and so wastes a lot of space. Are you looking in it straight, or at some angle? I think s/he means a mirror which is bent around a corner, or two mirrors who's faces are 90 deg and facing each other. BTW, I wouldn't expect top-posters to "get it". Posting location has NOTHING to do with intelligence, or any other relevant quality. must... not... get... dragged.... in....  -- May no harm befall you, flip |
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Home Depot paints the top end of all their lumber red. On Fri, 05 Jan 2007 16:00:21 -0600, zxcvbob wrote: wrote: I just bought a bunch of 2x4s to build a partition wall in the basement around our washer and dryer. I was ready to start building the wall when I realized that Home Depot forgot to label the 2x4s so I know which end is the top and which is the bottom. It figures Home Depot would forget to put the "top" arrow on them. I thought I'd save a few bucks going to Home Depot, but next time I'll go to a real lumber store. Jerry The big end is the top. HTH :-) Bob |
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On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 12:07:17 -0500, krw wrote:
In article , says... On Sun, 7 Jan 2007 20:29:55 -0500, krw wrote: In article .com, says... krw wrote: - It's not an x-axis reversal, rather a z-axis (front to back) reversal. Wait - I'm confused. If I have my back to the mirror how could I see my front? Certainly the mirror can'd "see" your backside, but it *is* reversing what it can, front to back. But NOT left to right. THAT reversal is only verbal, in the user's mind. Yep. It's a z-axis transformation. What the mind does with the information is another thing. Ever looked in a corner mirror? I suppose you mean one of those that's diagonally mounted in a corner, and so wastes a lot of space. Are you looking in it straight, or at some angle? No, two mirrors 90 degrees to each other (see also: "corner reflector"). Look at them at 45 degrees. BTW, I wouldn't expect top-posters to "get it". Posting location has NOTHING to do with intelligence, or any other relevant quality. Intelligent people, at least in the West, read from top to bottom. True. but irrelevant. Conversations between intelligent people go forward in time. True, but irrelevant. Answers come after questions, etc. True, but irrelevant. Don't ignore the difference between a usenet POST and a usenet THREAD. That is important. When reading a post in a thread, the reader has ALREDAY been exposed to the quoted material, the response (at whatever location in that post) is read AFTER that other stuff. Things (claiming to demonstrate the error of top-posting) like this: 13. What is 1 greater than 12? ignore the actual sequence these lines are posted in. For that, you have at least TWO messages. The first: What is 1 greater than 12? And the second: 13 What is 1 greater than 12? The lines are seen in the intended order (question first). The position of "13" in the later post DOESN'T CHANGE THE ORDER because you have ALREADY been exposed to the question. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." -- Isaac Asimov |
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On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 22:46:00 -0500, krw wrote:
[snip] BTW, I wouldn't expect top-posters to "get it". Posting location has NOTHING to do with intelligence, or any other relevant quality. Intelligent people, at least in the West, read from top to bottom. True. but irrelevant. Not at all. Intelligent people write for their reader. top posting helps the reader not. It definitely DOES help, particularly with very large amounts of quoted material (if you think it's really easy to scroll down, you probably forgot about the HUNDREDS of new messages in some groups, try that "easy" scrolling when your fingers are sore from doing it hundreds of times). Conversations between intelligent people go forward in time. True, but irrelevant. Nope. See above. Answers come after questions, etc. True, but irrelevant. Nope. See above. Don't ignore the difference between a usenet POST and a usenet THREAD. I'll confuse what I want to, but I'm confusing nothing. Apparently you agree with me, since you post infix, as do intelligent people. That is important. When reading a post in a thread, the reader has ALREDAY been exposed to the quoted material, the response (at whatever location in that post) is read AFTER that other stuff. Nope. I read thousands of posts a day. What do you think a "usenet thread" is? A context hint is invaluable, as it is in all delayed conversations. Remember, this isn't a private conversation. Notice that you totally ignored the major point of my post. That's what happens when people follow rules religiously (that is, mindlessly). You might notice that I seldom top-post. This is the effect of my doing what makes sense to me, not mindless rule-following and ignoring other views. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." -- Isaac Asimov |
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Mark Lloyd writes:
Don't ignore the difference between a usenet POST and a usenet THREAD. That is important. When reading a post in a thread, the reader has ALREDAY been exposed to the quoted material, the response (at whatever location in that post) is read AFTER that other stuff. Not necessarily true. Usenet does not guarantee delivery of postings so a reader may be coming into the middle of a thread. Also, people don't always continuously subscribe to newsgroups so they may have missed earlier postings. You may have read all the postings in a thread but that doesn't mean everyone else has. |
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On Tue, 9 Jan 2007 12:16:42 -0500, krw wrote:
In article , says... On Mon, 8 Jan 2007 22:46:00 -0500, krw wrote: [snip] Intelligent people, at least in the West, read from top to bottom. True. but irrelevant. Not at all. Intelligent people write for their reader. top posting helps the reader not. It definitely DOES help, particularly with very large amounts of quoted material (if you think it's really easy to scroll down, you probably forgot about the HUNDREDS of new messages in some groups, try that "easy" scrolling when your fingers are sore from doing it hundreds of times). Wy don't you snip posts then? Irrelevant. I wasn't the one doing the bottom-posting after excessive quoting. Why do you post infix, if top- posting is so kewl? More of that @#$%! argument. What I'm against is irrational BS against ANY position. This has nothing to do with my position (which was arrived at intelligently, not through BS). ...or are you simply looking for an argument, as usual? I never do what you (mistakenly) call an argument. Apparently that's what you want. you're not getting it here. snip useless argumentative crap You snip meaningful stuff that doesn't fit your delusions. Time to end this subthread. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Properly read, the Bible is the most potent force for atheism ever conceived." -- Isaac Asimov |
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