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Outlets -- which way?
On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:31:19 -0500, mm
wrote: On 5 Dec 2006 09:01:34 -0800, "professorpaul" wrote: Terry wrote: On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:15:21 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote: You're likely to have multiple wall-warts. What is a wall-wart? Just last night on Jay Leno's "Headlines" was a headline from a local paper, "Plans for new Wal-Wart under discussion." Those little power supplies that you plug into the electrical outlets... PITA I had one that came with a fax machine. It was 10 inches high and had a polarized plug. It wouldn't do very well in an upside-down receptacle. Some catalogs sell a thing that' supposed to help. It's a 1-foot 1-outlet extension cord that costs too much. Use a regular extension cord and you can use 2 or 3 wall-warts. -- 20 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "God was invented by man for a reason, that reason is no longer applicable." |
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On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:04:08 -0600, Mark Lloyd
wrote: On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 12:27:55 -0500, mm wrote: On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:07:00 -0600, Don Fearn wrote: Is there a "right" way for wall outlets to face? Definitely. The holes should face inward. *Into* the room. So you'd put the ground hole right in from of the others, so it becomes impossible to plug anything in without creating a short. Hope your breakers aren't the kind that don't trip. If the prong holes face the wall, you can't plug anything in at all. On all my receptacles, the ground hole faces the same direction as the power prong holes. |
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Terry wrote:
On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:07:39 -0600, "Steve Barker LT" wrote: Let's see...... when was the last time a METAL TRAY slid down my wall.... I understand your comments now. You think this about you. I am guessing you are not a surgeon. They use metal trays daily. MY surgeon doesn't drop things. |
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Mark wrote:
I don't believe that the NEC addresses this issue at all. nate All commercial buildings seem to be wired with the ground pin UP. Why is that? Most workers in building construction come from the southern hemisphere where things are reversed. |
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On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:24:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom"
wrote: "Terry" wrote in message .. . On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:05:20 -0600, "Steve Barker LT" wrote: why would the screw fall out? This is a ridiculous scenario. Most places that use stainless steel outlet covers often have construction going on all the time. Vibration. If you're going to think of office buildings as if they were cars, boats & aircraft, then the law should forbid using screws to attach wires to outlets and switches. Or they should have wires through the screws so they can't unscrew. Finally a way to use those wire twisting pliers I keep posting about. I'm going to start on it tonight. |
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"mm" wrote in message
... On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 18:24:32 GMT, "JoeSpareBedroom" wrote: "Terry" wrote in message . .. On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:05:20 -0600, "Steve Barker LT" wrote: why would the screw fall out? This is a ridiculous scenario. Most places that use stainless steel outlet covers often have construction going on all the time. Vibration. If you're going to think of office buildings as if they were cars, boats & aircraft, then the law should forbid using screws to attach wires to outlets and switches. Or they should have wires through the screws so they can't unscrew. Finally a way to use those wire twisting pliers I keep posting about. I'm going to start on it tonight. I'm a big fan of crimp connectors, but I'm lucky to have a tool that does them correctly. The ones I see in stores nowadays are no better than putting the connector on the floor and stomping on it. |
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"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:05:20 -0600, "Steve Barker LT" wrote: why would the screw fall out? This is a ridiculous scenario. Screws do come loose. -- All of my replacement faceplates come with a small cardboard washer behind the screw, so that even if it did come loose from the outlet it would remain attached to the faceplate. Regards -- |
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On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 06:07:00 -0600, Don Fearn
wrote: Is there a "right" way for wall outlets to face? Should they be | | O | | O or O | | O | | and why? The top way makes little faces and the ground pin is closer to the ground, but it seems like the bottom way might be safer (something metal would hit the ground pin first if it fell). Any other reasons to prefer one way over the other? How about sideways (I won't attempt ASCII art for sideways). -Don IMHO: I think it's a personal preference for home's. In commercial places, there is some belief if the screw becomes loose, pops out, and the 'metal' face plate falls, on a partially inserted plug, you can get a spark that causes a fire. This sounds like a lot of "what if's", but you need to do what you are instructed. Personally I like grounds down, since the index finger has a habit of migrating to one of the prongs, so best if it's the grounding prong. hth, tom @ www.mesothelioma-poll.com |
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JimR wrote:
"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:05:20 -0600, "Steve Barker LT" wrote: why would the screw fall out? This is a ridiculous scenario. Screws do come loose. -- All of my replacement faceplates come with a small cardboard washer behind the screw, so that even if it did come loose from the outlet it would remain attached to the faceplate. Regards -- Loosing the screw on the floor isn't the issue, the issue is having the metal cover plate land balanced on the exposed conductors of the plug in the outlet. It's not a pretty thing, especially when you can't turn off the circuit right away to fix it due to the equipment plugged in. With a plastic or nylon cover plate it would of course be a non issue. Pete C. |
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Don Fearn wrote: Is there a "right" way for wall outlets to face? snip and why? snip FWIW: The manufacturer's catalogs, like Pass & Seymour/LeGrand, have illustrations uniformly showing duplex outlets with grounds at the top. Joe |
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Yes, I see that now. there are several loose in this group. G I
personally have NEVER seen an outlet cover plate unscrew itself in a home, in a shop, in an aircraft plant, in a school, in a garage, where there was loud music, OR in a hospital. -- Steve Barker "Mark Lloyd" wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:05:20 -0600, "Steve Barker LT" wrote: why would the screw fall out? This is a ridiculous scenario. Screws do come loose. -- 20 days until CHRISTmas Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "God was invented by man for a reason, that reason is no longer applicable." |
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"Steve Barker LT" wrote in message ... WHAT industry? Hospitals? Not homes though. -- Steve Barker Take a look. Many new homes are being done that way. |
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Don Fearn wrote in
: Is there a "right" way for wall outlets to face? Should they be | | O | | O or O | | O | | and why? The top way makes little faces and the ground pin is closer to the ground, but it seems like the bottom way might be safer (something metal would hit the ground pin first if it fell). Any other reasons to prefer one way over the other? How about sideways (I won't attempt ASCII art for sideways). -Don I wonder if this subject will set a new record for most replies in a thread previously held by this same subject. |
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On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 20:49:15 -0600, "Steve Barker LT"
wrote: Yes, I see that now. there are several loose in this group. G I personally have NEVER seen an outlet cover plate unscrew itself in a home, in a shop, in an aircraft plant, in a school, in a garage, where there was loud music, OR in a hospital. I haven't either, but I have seen door locks (on wooden doors) unscrew themselves. Also water faucets (loosening from the sink, not causing a water leak). -- 20 days until the winter solstice celebration Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "God was invented by man for a reason, that reason is no longer applicable." |
Outlets -- which way? Touchy feely inquiry
Has anyone surveyed the common electrical appliances to see how they feel?
Are there certain appliances that prefer doggy style over the missionary position? |
Outlets -- which way?
On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 02:44:30 GMT, "Pete C."
wrote: JimR wrote: "Mark Lloyd" wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:05:20 -0600, "Steve Barker LT" wrote: why would the screw fall out? This is a ridiculous scenario. Screws do come loose. -- All of my replacement faceplates come with a small cardboard washer behind the screw, so that even if it did come loose from the outlet it would remain attached to the faceplate. Regards -- Loosing the screw on the floor isn't the issue, the issue is having the metal cover plate land balanced on the exposed conductors of the plug in the outlet. It's not a pretty thing, especially when you can't turn off the circuit right away to fix it due to the equipment plugged in. With a plastic or nylon cover plate it would of course be a non issue. If you land a metal cover plate balanced across the plugs, the circut is likely to be turning itself off, anyway. If you got something that mission-critical plugged in, why isn't it on a UPS? |
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Goedjn wrote:
Too bad they didnt design the outlet to look like | 0 | instead of | | 0 Ever looked at a Neutrik PowerCon connector? Twist and lock, no exposed conductors, ground contacts touch first, rated for 20A. Unfortunately its not rated as an in-wall mains connector. http://www.neutrik.com/content/produ...=CatMSDE_audio Chris |
Outlets -- which way? Touchy feely inquiry
On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 06:34:11 -0500, newsreader
wrote: Has anyone surveyed the common electrical appliances to see how they feel? Are there certain appliances that prefer doggy style over the missionary position? I've checked with the toaster, it appears to not care, as long as it gets some. Not going near the blender, or microwave. :D later, tom @ www.ringtone-makers.com |
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On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 11:10:39 -0500, Goedjn wrote:
On Wed, 06 Dec 2006 02:44:30 GMT, "Pete C." wrote: JimR wrote: "Mark Lloyd" wrote in message ... On Tue, 5 Dec 2006 11:05:20 -0600, "Steve Barker LT" wrote: why would the screw fall out? This is a ridiculous scenario. Screws do come loose. -- All of my replacement faceplates come with a small cardboard washer behind the screw, so that even if it did come loose from the outlet it would remain attached to the faceplate. Regards -- Loosing the screw on the floor isn't the issue, the issue is having the metal cover plate land balanced on the exposed conductors of the plug in the outlet. It's not a pretty thing, especially when you can't turn off the circuit right away to fix it due to the equipment plugged in. With a plastic or nylon cover plate it would of course be a non issue. If you land a metal cover plate balanced across the plugs, the circut is likely to be turning itself off, anyway. The circuit would turn itself off, after a spark between the metal cover plate and the hot wire caused an explosion. If you got something that mission-critical plugged in, why isn't it on a UPS? Maybe it was, but it was the UPS plug that had been knocked partly out of the outlet. |
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On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 11:21:46 -0500, Terry
wrote: On Tue, 05 Dec 2006 10:15:21 -0600, Mark Lloyd wrote: You're likely to have multiple wall-warts. What is a wall-wart? It's when the wall seems to have a growth on it, because of some oversized thing on a cord instead of a plug. Often a power supply for something. |
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Oh pshaw, on Tue 05 Dec 2006 10:07:39a, Steve Barker LT meant to say...
Let's see...... when was the last time a METAL TRAY slid down my wall.... Probably this morning when you weren't looking. -- Wayne Boatwright __________________________________________________ (...a short musical interlude...) |
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On 12/05/06 09:46 pm Joe wrote:
Is there a "right" way for wall outlets to face? snip and why? The manufacturer's catalogs, like Pass & Seymour/LeGrand, have illustrations uniformly showing duplex outlets with grounds at the top. And I just noticed that some of the spare outlets I have -- possibly Pass & Seymour/Legrand -- are marked so that the writing is the right way up only when the ground pin is uppermost. Perce |
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"Percival P. Cassidy" wrote in message
... On 12/05/06 09:46 pm Joe wrote: Is there a "right" way for wall outlets to face? snip and why? The manufacturer's catalogs, like Pass & Seymour/LeGrand, have illustrations uniformly showing duplex outlets with grounds at the top. And I just noticed that some of the spare outlets I have -- possibly Pass & Seymour/Legrand -- are marked so that the writing is the right way up only when the ground pin is uppermost. Perce Yeah, but a lot of things you need to plug in will not work correctly when upside down. Install outlets so they work, not so they satisfy some geek's idea of what's normal. |
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Edwin Pawlowski wrote: "Steve Barker LT" wrote in message ... WHAT industry? Hospitals? Not homes though. -- Steve Barker Take a look. Many new homes are being done that way. More fuel on the fire! While not confirming the above, Friday I visited a brand new Mazda dealership building about 90% complete, and throughout the entire service, parts and public area were duplex outlets with...are you ready for this?...the grounds at the top. It would appear that in our Central Illinois area at least, our tradesmen are following the grounds-up practice in commercial buildings. I think I'll do a little investigation of our newest McMansions under construction and see what the hoi polloi prefer. Joe |
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