I've had several of these knot up over the years, not regularly enough
to just replace them, just often enough to be an annoyance. I've tried
many types, all seem to have some draw-back. I'm looking for product
recommendations, modifications, anything anyone has done that worked
for years. I can tell you some things that don't work; the rubber
straps with the arrow shaped stops (too rigid), the fluid master black
plastic chain (worst knotting problem to date, it floats hence the
tangles).

Eric in North TX wrote:
I've had several of these knot up over the years, not regularly enough
to just replace them, just often enough to be an annoyance. I've tried
many types, all seem to have some draw-back. I'm looking for product
recommendations, modifications, anything anyone has done that worked
for years. I can tell you some things that don't work; the rubber
straps with the arrow shaped stops (too rigid), the fluid master black
plastic chain (worst knotting problem to date, it floats hence the
tangles).

I have never seen a "knotting" problem with any kind. I have had a
problem with a link (usually the top one) going sideways when flushing
and then not letting the ball fully close. That is simple to correct,
just hang a small fishing weight from the link. That ends that
problem.

Harry K

In article om,
says...
I've had several of these knot up over the years, not regularly enough
to just replace them, just often enough to be an annoyance. I've tried
many types, all seem to have some draw-back. I'm looking for product
recommendations, modifications, anything anyone has done that worked
for years. I can tell you some things that don't work; the rubber
straps with the arrow shaped stops (too rigid), the fluid master black
plastic chain (worst knotting problem to date, it floats hence the
tangles).

If the chain is getting knotted up, you have it too long. Shorten
the chain so there is just a little slack when the flapper is
closed and the handle up.

--
Keith

If the chain is getting knotted up, you have it too long. Shorten
the chain so there is just a little slack when the flapper is
closed and the handle up.

--
Keith

Tried that, but I don't get a good flush, it seems to need a little
slack for the flapper to work properly. I have maybe 1/4" slack, but
the problem occurs when the flapper is up.

I have never seen a "knotting" problem with any kind. I have had a
problem with a link (usually the top one) going sideways when flushing
and then not letting the ball fully close. That is simple to correct,
just hang a small fishing weight from the link. That ends that
problem.

Harry K

That would likely work.

On 3 Dec 2006 08:12:41 -0800, "Eric in North TX"
wrote:

If the chain is getting knotted up, you have it too long. Shorten
the chain so there is just a little slack when the flapper is
closed and the handle up.

--
Keith

Tried that, but I don't get a good flush, it seems to need a little
slack for the flapper to work properly. I have maybe 1/4" slack, but
the problem occurs when the flapper is up.

The flush handle may have several holes to attach the chain; one at
the end, one center and one close to the handle. I have made
adjustments by selecting a different hole to secure the chain.

--
Oren

"My doctor says I have a malformed public-duty gland
and a natural deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore
excused from saving Universes."

Eric in North TX wrote:
I've had several of these knot up over the years, not regularly enough
to just replace them, just often enough to be an annoyance. I've tried
many types, all seem to have some draw-back. I'm looking for product
recommendations, modifications, anything anyone has done that worked
for years. I can tell you some things that don't work; the rubber
straps with the arrow shaped stops (too rigid), the fluid master black
plastic chain (worst knotting problem to date, it floats hence the
tangles).



If the other suggestions don't work well enough to satisfy you then just
replace the chain with a length of nylon fishing line. Works every time.

HYH.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.98*10^14 fathoms per fortnight.

Eric in North TX wrote:
I've had several of these knot up over the years, not regularly enough
to just replace them, just often enough to be an annoyance. I've tried
many types, all seem to have some draw-back. I'm looking for product
recommendations, modifications, anything anyone has done that worked
for years. I can tell you some things that don't work; the rubber
straps with the arrow shaped stops (too rigid), the fluid master black
plastic chain (worst knotting problem to date, it floats hence the
tangles).


Fishing line. I use 30 pound monofilament. The
hardest part for me is tying the knots since I'm
not a fisherman, so my knots look a bit gross.
You need to carefully use the amount that leaves
only a little slack in the line when the flapper
is down so that you don't have any excess to catch
on parts.

I've been using if for nearly about 10 years and
never had a problem; no problem with the line but
the flappers wear out. Currently one toilet
(about 30 years old) has had the same flapper and
and fishing line for about 5 years. Newest toilet
is a replacement(about 4 years old), and I will
certainly fix it with fishing line when it
develops a problem.

Eric in North TX wrote:
I have never seen a "knotting" problem with any kind. I have had a
problem with a link (usually the top one) going sideways when flushing
and then not letting the ball fully close. That is simple to correct,
just hang a small fishing weight from the link. That ends that
problem.

Harry K

That would likely work.

It works for sure. Of course on my toilet it took me several _years_
to figure that out. Used to be that toilet would 'stick' about every
2nd or 3rd flush. None at all after I hung the weight from that link.
Of course I just replaced that toilet with a "Toto". Wish I had known
about those fantastic fixtures years ago. No more double or triple
flushes to get the job done.

Harry K

Eric in North TX wrote:
I've had several of these knot up over the years, not regularly enough
to just replace them, just often enough to be an annoyance. I've tried
many types, all seem to have some draw-back. I'm looking for product
recommendations, modifications, anything anyone has done that worked
for years. I can tell you some things that don't work; the rubber
straps with the arrow shaped stops (too rigid), the fluid master black
plastic chain (worst knotting problem to date, it floats hence the
tangles).

Some chains & hooks seem to work well and some don't. With the ones
that don't, I've been able to solve the problem by replacing the hook
with a tie wrap. This works very well and has solved the problem with 2
toilets that I have tried it with. The problem is that the tie wraps
wear through and breaks after a few years. Then you have to replace
them.

I like the idea of the fishing sinker. I'm going to try that next time.

replying to Harry K, amsterdammer 71 wrote:
turnkey4099 wrote:

I have never seen a "knotting" problem with any kind. I have had a
problem with a link (usually the top one) going sideways when flushing
and then not letting the ball fully close. That is simple to correct,
just hang a small fishing weight from the link. That ends that
problem.
Harry K


Cut an irrigation tubing in the length and wrap that around the chain, it
should reduce/prevent
the "knotting" problem. When cutting the tubing in the length, it looks
like a straw.
Humphrey P.

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On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 11:44:09 PM UTC-5, amsterdammer 71 wrote:

replying to Harry K, amsterdammer 71 wrote:
turnkey4099 wrote:

I have never seen a "knotting" problem with any kind. I have had a
problem with a link (usually the top one) going sideways when flushing
and then not letting the ball fully close. That is simple to correct,
just hang a small fishing weight from the link. That ends that
problem.
Harry K


Cut an irrigation tubing in the length and wrap that around the chain, it
should reduce/prevent
the "knotting" problem. When cutting the tubing in the length, it looks
like a straw.
Humphrey P.


I sure hope Harry K and the others have solved their
toilet chain and flapper problems since this thread
was originally started 9 years ago.

ItsJoanNotJoann wrote:
On Thursday, October 8, 2015 at 11:44:09 PM UTC-5, amsterdammer 71 wrote:

replying to Harry K, amsterdammer 71 wrote:
turnkey4099 wrote:

I have never seen a "knotting" problem with any kind. I have had a
problem with a link (usually the top one) going sideways when flushing
and then not letting the ball fully close. That is simple to correct,
just hang a small fishing weight from the link. That ends that
problem.
Harry K


Cut an irrigation tubing in the length and wrap that around the chain, it
should reduce/prevent
the "knotting" problem. When cutting the tubing in the length, it looks
like a straw.
Humphrey P.


I sure hope Harry K and the others have solved their
toilet chain and flapper problems since this thread
was originally started 9 years ago.

How do these old posts get onto a newsgroup? I would think they would
be dropped long ago.

On Fri, 9 Oct 2015 06:05:41 -0500, Ken wrote:

I sure hope Harry K and the others have solved their
toilet chain and flapper problems since this thread
was originally started 9 years ago.

How do these old posts get onto a newsgroup? I would think they would
be dropped long ago.

Some NNTP providers keep upwards of 50,000 messages. Some longer.

The message you saw is from @news.flashnewsgroups.com. Typically not
folks on Usenet or follow threads. By happenstance they land on that
wed based ) make a reply while not
following dates and times.

In summary, "dumb phucs".

replying to Ken, Lee wrote:
I'm glad it didn't get dropped, I'm having this problem now, just like Eric
said, with that stupid Fluid Master floating chain.

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On Tuesday, September 26, 2017 at 1:44:05 PM UTC-5, Lee wrote:

replying to Ken, Lee wrote:

I'm glad it didn't get dropped, I'm having this problem now, just like Eric
said, with that stupid Fluid Master floating chain.

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So why didn't you just make a new thread instead of perpetuating more
stupidity from HomeMoanersHub??

replying to Oren, artbishop wrote:
BEST thought and it earned a good laugh as well!!


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On Mon, 12 Feb 2018 18:14:01 GMT, artbishop
m wrote:

replying to Oren, artbishop wrote:
BEST thought and it earned a good laugh as well!!

My doctor says I have a malformed public-duty gland and a natural
deficiency in moral fiber, and that I am therefore excused from saving
Universes.

replying to mgkelson, Jim1977 wrote:
Use a plastic tie-wrap. Keep the chain in place, and wrap the tie-wrap around
the top of the chain (preferably through an opening) to prevent it from
falling down. Then, insert the tie-wrap through every other link in the chain
down towards the bottom.

The tie-wrap will stiffen the chain so that it can't tangle up, while still
allowing the chain to support the weight of the flapper. So the tie-wrap
should never wear out (or at least I won't be around long enough to find out
otherwise).

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On Fri, 02 Nov 2018 18:44:01 GMT, Jim1977
m wrote:

replying to mgkelson, Jim1977 wrote:
Use a plastic tie-wrap. Keep the chain in place, and wrap the tie-wrap around
the top of the chain (preferably through an opening) to prevent it from
falling down. Then, insert the tie-wrap through every other link in the chain
down towards the bottom.

The tie-wrap will stiffen the chain so that it can't tangle up, while still
allowing the chain to support the weight of the flapper. So the tie-wrap
should never wear out (or at least I won't be around long enough to find out
otherwise).

Hornswoggle