I should probably know this, but....

I have one 4-wire phone line running from the main incoming phone connection
box to a standard phone jack. I want to add a second phone jack next to the
existing one for a second phone line, and I don't want to run a new wire.

So, here's what I am assuming:

1) Inside the existing phone jack, leave the red and green wires from phone
line connected to the red and green connectors inside the phone jack.

2) Then take the black and yellow wires from the phone line and connect them
to the red and green connectors inside the second phone jack for the second
phone line.

I know what to do with the wires on the other end (at the incoming phone
connection box).

But, is number 2 above correct?

If so, when matching the yellow and black wires to the red and green
connectors inside the phone jack, is it better or correct to connect the
yellow wire to the red terminal and the black wire to the green terminal?

Or should it be yellow to green and black to red?

Thanks.

BETA-32 wrote:
I should probably know this, but....

I have one 4-wire phone line running from the main incoming phone connection
box to a standard phone jack. I want to add a second phone jack next to the
existing one for a second phone line, and I don't want to run a new wire.

So, here's what I am assuming:

1) Inside the existing phone jack, leave the red and green wires from phone
line connected to the red and green connectors inside the phone jack.

2) Then take the black and yellow wires from the phone line and connect them
to the red and green connectors inside the second phone jack for the second
phone line.

I know what to do with the wires on the other end (at the incoming phone
connection box).

But, is number 2 above correct?

If so, when matching the yellow and black wires to the red and green
connectors inside the phone jack, is it better or correct to connect the
yellow wire to the red terminal and the black wire to the green terminal?

Or should it be yellow to green and black to red?

Thanks.




The yellow corresponds to the red and the black to the green.

Most modern phones don't care about the polarity of the line but some
old touch tone phones won't dial if they are wired "backwards".

HTH,

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:41:41 -0500, "BETA-32"
wrote:

I should probably know this, but....

I have one 4-wire phone line running from the main incoming phone connection
box to a standard phone jack. I want to add a second phone jack next to the
existing one for a second phone line, and I don't want to run a new wire.

So, here's what I am assuming:

1) Inside the existing phone jack, leave the red and green wires from phone
line connected to the red and green connectors inside the phone jack.

2) Then take the black and yellow wires from the phone line and connect them
to the red and green connectors inside the second phone jack for the second
phone line.

I know what to do with the wires on the other end (at the incoming phone
connection box).

But, is number 2 above correct?

If so, when matching the yellow and black wires to the red and green
connectors inside the phone jack, is it better or correct to connect the
yellow wire to the red terminal and the black wire to the green terminal?

Or should it be yellow to green and black to red?

Thanks.


You can do what you are suggesting but you should consider this. It
is ok to use both pairs of wires but you have to have special
equipment to use the second line.

A 2 line phone will work but a modem or anything other single line
device will always pick the first line. Also, some phone cords only
come with 2 wires. You have to make sure you get a 4 conductor phone
cord.

If you do use both pairs then you should tap off the two line jack and
mount a single jack if you want to use the black/yellow for anything
else.

Or you can buy a jack that has an opening for each line.

Terry wrote:

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:41:41 -0500, "BETA-32"
wrote:


I should probably know this, but....

I have one 4-wire phone line running from the main incoming phone connection
box to a standard phone jack. I want to add a second phone jack next to the
existing one for a second phone line, and I don't want to run a new wire.

So, here's what I am assuming:

1) Inside the existing phone jack, leave the red and green wires from phone
line connected to the red and green connectors inside the phone jack.

2) Then take the black and yellow wires from the phone line and connect them
to the red and green connectors inside the second phone jack for the second
phone line.

I know what to do with the wires on the other end (at the incoming phone
connection box).

But, is number 2 above correct?

If so, when matching the yellow and black wires to the red and green
connectors inside the phone jack, is it better or correct to connect the
yellow wire to the red terminal and the black wire to the green terminal?

Or should it be yellow to green and black to red?

Thanks.



You can do what you are suggesting but you should consider this. It
is ok to use both pairs of wires but you have to have special
equipment to use the second line.

A 2 line phone will work but a modem or anything other single line
device will always pick the first line. Also, some phone cords only
come with 2 wires. You have to make sure you get a 4 conductor phone
cord.

If you do use both pairs then you should tap off the two line jack and
mount a single jack if you want to use the black/yellow for anything
else.

Or you can buy a jack that has an opening for each line.



He did write "second phone jack" y'know....

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

an_old_friend wrote:
BETA-32 wrote:

I should probably know this, but....

I have one 4-wire phone line running from the main incoming phone connection
box to a standard phone jack. I want to add a second phone jack next to the
existing one for a second phone line, and I don't want to run a new wire.

So, here's what I am assuming:

1) Inside the existing phone jack, leave the red and green wires from phone
line connected to the red and green connectors inside the phone jack.

2) Then take the black and yellow wires from the phone line and connect them
to the red and green connectors inside the second phone jack for the second
phone line.

I know what to do with the wires on the other end (at the incoming phone
connection box).

But, is number 2 above correct?

If so, when matching the yellow and black wires to the red and green
connectors inside the phone jack, is it better or correct to connect the
yellow wire to the red terminal and the black wire to the green terminal?

Or should it be yellow to green and black to red?

Thanks.


http://www.geocities.com\\kb9rqz

one of those private types bigg current ars project in EME hoping to
obtain VUCC and maybe DXCC as a no code tech before the expected R&O
allowign me to become a No Code extra comes through
http://emekb9rqz.blogspot.com/ sadly since certainn folks in the ham
world lack a life beyond harrassing their fellow hams I will no longer
be posting my log on my blog I can be reach by eail off my webpage

I am having to work split so if you see cq kb9rqz+10 it means I am
listening up 10 khz etc



We were talking about WIRED communication here friend. 73s to 'ya
anyway, and please get back on your meds.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

that will work fine. i've done the same thing.

you'll have to do your own crimping on the new jack.

Jeff Wisnia wrote:
an_old_friend wrote:
BETA-32 wrote:

I should probably know this, but....

I have one 4-wire phone line running from the main incoming phone connection
box to a standard phone jack. I want to add a second phone jack next to the
existing one for a second phone line, and I don't want to run a new wire.

So, here's what I am assuming:

1) Inside the existing phone jack, leave the red and green wires from phone
line connected to the red and green connectors inside the phone jack.

2) Then take the black and yellow wires from the phone line and connect them
to the red and green connectors inside the second phone jack for the second
phone line.

I know what to do with the wires on the other end (at the incoming phone
connection box).

But, is number 2 above correct?

If so, when matching the yellow and black wires to the red and green
connectors inside the phone jack, is it better or correct to connect the
yellow wire to the red terminal and the black wire to the green terminal?

Or should it be yellow to green and black to red?

Thanks.


http://www.geocities.com\\kb9rqz

one of those private types bigg current ars project in EME hoping to
obtain VUCC and maybe DXCC as a no code tech before the expected R&O
allowign me to become a No Code extra comes through
http://emekb9rqz.blogspot.com/ sadly since certainn folks in the ham
world lack a life beyond harrassing their fellow hams I will no longer
be posting my log on my blog I can be reach by eail off my webpage

I am having to work split so if you see cq kb9rqz+10 it means I am
listening up 10 khz etc



We were talking about WIRED communication here friend. 73s to 'ya
anyway, and please get back on your meds.

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

the correct setup would be Black to Green, Yellow to Red. However if all
you are doing is plugging in a phone and not running a DSL or anything
like that it doesn't matter..
Just my $.02

an_old_friend wrote:
BETA-32 wrote:
I should probably know this, but....

I have one 4-wire phone line running from the main incoming phone connection
box to a standard phone jack. I want to add a second phone jack next to the
existing one for a second phone line, and I don't want to run a new wire.

So, here's what I am assuming:

1) Inside the existing phone jack, leave the red and green wires from phone
line connected to the red and green connectors inside the phone jack.

2) Then take the black and yellow wires from the phone line and connect them
to the red and green connectors inside the second phone jack for the second
phone line.

I know what to do with the wires on the other end (at the incoming phone
connection box).

But, is number 2 above correct?

If so, when matching the yellow and black wires to the red and green
connectors inside the phone jack, is it better or correct to connect the
yellow wire to the red terminal and the black wire to the green terminal?

Or should it be yellow to green and black to red?

Thanks.

http://www.geocities.com\\kb9rqz

one of those private types bigg current ars project in EME hoping to
obtain VUCC and maybe DXCC as a no code tech before the expected R&O
allowign me to become a No Code extra comes through
http://emekb9rqz.blogspot.com/ sadly since certainn folks in the ham
world lack a life beyond harrassing their fellow hams I will no longer
be posting my log on my blog I can be reach by eail off my webpage

I am having to work split so if you see cq kb9rqz+10 it means I am
listening up 10 khz etc

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 14:09:49 -0500, Terry
wrote:

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:41:41 -0500, "BETA-32"
wrote:

I should probably know this, but....

I have one 4-wire phone line running from the main incoming phone connection
box to a standard phone jack. I want to add a second phone jack next to the
existing one for a second phone line, and I don't want to run a new wire.

So, here's what I am assuming:

1) Inside the existing phone jack, leave the red and green wires from phone
line connected to the red and green connectors inside the phone jack.

2) Then take the black and yellow wires from the phone line and connect them
to the red and green connectors inside the second phone jack for the second
phone line.

I know what to do with the wires on the other end (at the incoming phone
connection box).

But, is number 2 above correct?

If so, when matching the yellow and black wires to the red and green
connectors inside the phone jack, is it better or correct to connect the
yellow wire to the red terminal and the black wire to the green terminal?

Or should it be yellow to green and black to red?

Thanks.


You can do what you are suggesting but you should consider this. It
is ok to use both pairs of wires but you have to have special
equipment to use the second line.

A 2 line phone will work but a modem or anything other single line
device will always pick the first line. Also, some phone cords only
come with 2 wires. You have to make sure you get a 4 conductor phone
cord.

If you do use both pairs then you should tap off the two line jack and
mount a single jack if you want to use the black/yellow for anything
else.

Or you can buy a jack that has an opening for each line.



Yes. These things plug into a 4-wire jack and provide 3 jacks. 1 is
2-line like the wall jack, 2 is line 1 (red/green) only, 3 is line 2
(yellow/black connected to center 2 contacts) only.

You may find something similar for 3 lines on all 6 wires.
--
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http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com

"Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is
not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has
no place in the curriculum of our nation's public
school classes." -- Ted Kennedy

You're fine, and you've got a plan! It'll work fine for you as you wrote
it.

The yellow black won't matter either, especially if you connect say the
yellow to the red at both ends (demarc where it comes in, and to your jack).
If something seems odd because you've got an old phone or something on
it, just reverse them and see if that helps.

Good deduction work,

Pop`



BETA-32 wrote:
I should probably know this, but....

I have one 4-wire phone line running from the main incoming phone
connection box to a standard phone jack. I want to add a second
phone jack next to the existing one for a second phone line, and I
don't want to run a new wire.
So, here's what I am assuming:

1) Inside the existing phone jack, leave the red and green wires from
phone line connected to the red and green connectors inside the phone
jack.
2) Then take the black and yellow wires from the phone line and
connect them to the red and green connectors inside the second phone
jack for the second phone line.

I know what to do with the wires on the other end (at the incoming
phone connection box).

But, is number 2 above correct?

If so, when matching the yellow and black wires to the red and green
connectors inside the phone jack, is it better or correct to connect
the yellow wire to the red terminal and the black wire to the green
terminal?
Or should it be yellow to green and black to red?

Thanks.

On Wed, 29 Nov 2006 13:41:41 -0500, "BETA-32"
wrote:

I should probably know this, but....

I have one 4-wire phone line running from the main incoming phone connection
box to a standard phone jack. I want to add a second phone jack next to the
existing one for a second phone line, and I don't want to run a new wire.

So, here's what I am assuming:

1) Inside the existing phone jack, leave the red and green wires from phone
line connected to the red and green connectors inside the phone jack.

2) Then take the black and yellow wires from the phone line and connect them
to the red and green connectors inside the second phone jack for the second
phone line.

Terry is right. Just buy a splitter. It looks like one of the things
that have a modular plug and two modular jacks, about an inch by an
inch big, for getting two phones out of one jack. But a splitter will
have a "1" on one jack, and a "2" on the other jack. The 1 side willl
have the red and green and the 2 side will have the black and yellow.
(The more common kind, the "2 in 1", won't have any numbers because
both outputs are the same.)

You can also tell by looking into the jacks. The "2 in 1" will have 4
copper springs inside each of the jack holes.

The splitter will only have two spring wires in each, the center two.
The leftmost and right most of the four slots will have no wires.

I know what to do with the wires on the other end (at the incoming phone
connection box).

But, is number 2 above correct?

If so, when matching the yellow and black wires to the red and green
connectors inside the phone jack, is it better or correct to connect the
yellow wire to the red terminal and the black wire to the green terminal?

Or should it be yellow to green and black to red?

I don't know but the splitter takes care of it.

Thanks.

In the 1980s, I had a two line cordless telephone. Panasonic, I think.
Much as you describe, black and yellow were "line 2". Worked very
nicely, actually.

Can't remember which colors hooked to which ones. But you have only
two choices of hookup. And many modern phones are not polarity
sensetive.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"BETA-32" wrote in message
. ..
I should probably know this, but....

I have one 4-wire phone line running from the main incoming phone
connection
box to a standard phone jack. I want to add a second phone jack next
to the
existing one for a second phone line, and I don't want to run a new
wire.

So, here's what I am assuming:

1) Inside the existing phone jack, leave the red and green wires from
phone
line connected to the red and green connectors inside the phone jack.

2) Then take the black and yellow wires from the phone line and
connect them
to the red and green connectors inside the second phone jack for the
second
phone line.

I know what to do with the wires on the other end (at the incoming
phone
connection box).

But, is number 2 above correct?

If so, when matching the yellow and black wires to the red and green
connectors inside the phone jack, is it better or correct to connect
the
yellow wire to the red terminal and the black wire to the green
terminal?

Or should it be yellow to green and black to red?

Thanks.

"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message
et...

The yellow corresponds to the red and the black to the green.

Most modern phones don't care about the polarity of the line but some old
touch tone phones won't dial if they are wired "backwards".

HTH,

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
The speed of light is 1.8*10^12 furlongs per fortnight.

Thanks Jeff. That's exactly what I needed to know. And I guess that's why
I used to hear people talking about making sure the wires aren't backwards
but I don't hear that anymore.

Beta-2K
(formerly WN2FPE -- 48 years ago -- built my own Heathkit receiver and
transmitter; put up a long-wire antenna along the roof ridge of my parent's
house; had the receiver working; and never could get the transmitter to work
so I never got to get on the air with anyone.)

"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
...
Or you can buy a jack that has an opening for each line.

Yes. These things plug into a 4-wire jack and provide 3 jacks. 1 is
2-line like the wall jack, 2 is line 1 (red/green) only, 3 is line 2
(yellow/black connected to center 2 contacts) only.

Thanks. I didn't know they existed. I might just try that as a shortcut.
It's good to know I can do it either way.

wrote in message
oups.com...
that will work fine. i've done the same thing.

Thanks.

"G_FL" wrote in message
...
the correct setup would be Black to Green, Yellow to Red. However if all
you are doing is plugging in a phone and not running a DSL or anything
like that it doesn't matter..
Just my $.02

And worth every penny. But seriously, thanks.

"Pop`" wrote in message
news:Kkqbh.16012$Uz.7258@trnddc05...
You're fine, and you've got a plan! It'll work fine for you as you wrote
it.

The yellow black won't matter either, especially if you connect say the
yellow to the red at both ends (demarc where it comes in, and to your
jack).
If something seems odd because you've got an old phone or something on
it, just reverse them and see if that helps.

Good deduction work,

Pop`

Thanks.

"mm" wrote in message
...

Terry is right. Just buy a splitter. It looks like one of the things
that have a modular plug and two modular jacks, about an inch by an
inch big, for getting two phones out of one jack. But a splitter will
have a "1" on one jack, and a "2" on the other jack. The 1 side willl
have the red and green and the 2 side will have the black and yellow.
(The more common kind, the "2 in 1", won't have any numbers because
both outputs are the same.)

You can also tell by looking into the jacks. The "2 in 1" will have 4
copper springs inside each of the jack holes.

The splitter will only have two spring wires in each, the center two.
The leftmost and right most of the four slots will have no wires.

Thanks. I'll look for that and try it.

On Thu, 30 Nov 2006 09:39:06 -0500, "BETA-32"
wrote:

"Mark Lloyd" wrote in message
.. .
Or you can buy a jack that has an opening for each line.

Yes. These things plug into a 4-wire jack and provide 3 jacks. 1 is
2-line like the wall jack, 2 is line 1 (red/green) only, 3 is line 2
(yellow/black connected to center 2 contacts) only.

Thanks. I didn't know they existed. I might just try that as a shortcut.
It's good to know I can do it either way.


I just looked at Lowe's and you might not find that anymore. Their
have one that splits 6 wires to three jacks. That'll work too.
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"Unlike biological evolution. 'intelligent design' is
not a genuine scientific theory and, therefore, has
no place in the curriculum of our nation's public
school classes." -- Ted Kennedy

Stormin Mormon wrote:
In the 1980s, I had a two line cordless telephone. Panasonic, I think.
Much as you describe, black and yellow were "line 2". Worked very
nicely, actually.

Can't remember which colors hooked to which ones. But you have only
two choices of hookup. And many modern phones are not polarity
sensetive.


The bad news is that many of the simpler two line phones are polarity
sensitive. If you reverse either pair you can have cross talk and or
idle both lines.
--
Tom Horne

"This alternating current stuff is just a fad. It is much too dangerous
for general use." Thomas Alva Edison

Thank you for the information; I didn't know that. Fortunately, now
that we know the problem, the solution is relatively simple.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"Tom Horne, Electrician" wrote in message
ink.net...
Stormin Mormon wrote:
In the 1980s, I had a two line cordless telephone. Panasonic, I
think.
Much as you describe, black and yellow were "line 2". Worked very
nicely, actually.

Can't remember which colors hooked to which ones. But you have only
two choices of hookup. And many modern phones are not polarity
sensetive.


The bad news is that many of the simpler two line phones are polarity
sensitive. If you reverse either pair you can have cross talk and or
idle both lines.
--
Tom Horne

"This alternating current stuff is just a fad. It is much too
dangerous
for general use." Thomas Alva Edison