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Rod Speed wrote Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote wrote Rod Speed wrote I wasnt talking about corn as a source of veg oil, just as an example of a crop that is produced in the first world using industrial scale agriculture that doesnt get used in the low labor cost countrys. The U.S. *is* a low labor cost country when it comes to agriculture. Depends on the specific agriculture you are talking about. Depends on the going rate for wages. It depends on a hell of a lot more than just that. There's a reason you dont see much industrial scale agriculture in the third world. Why would they need it ? Oh, a few tiny details like producing enough to eat etc. You think they're starving ? I know they arent. I also know that they buy a lot of what the industrial scale agriculture in the first world produces and eat that. In India $80 p.c.m. is a decent wage for industrial workers if they can get it. Agricultural workers will be on a fraction of that. Irrelevant to that silly claim about US agriculture. What claim ? Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find it in the quoting at the top. About labour ? That's someone else's claim. I never said it was yours. |
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Al Bundy wrote: Every little bit helps I guess. Your suggestion of not wasting a trip is a good one. I think the biodiesel option is more hype than success though. It needs to be processed quite a bit and mixed with regular diesel to protect the engines and run properly. The final price is higher than normal also. I have a friend with a bio-diesel Mercedes that he converted. It costs him about $1.50 per gallon to make fuel, using free oil from restaurants. Japanese-run Japanese restaurants are the best, as they change the oil often for tempura, so it's clean oil. If you have to buy the bio-diesel fuel it's more expensive, but if you make it yourself it's cheaper. He does it in his garage. Probably violates his homeowners insurance policy! It shouldn't cost that much to make using free waste vegetable oil (or yellow grease.) And it should run in any diesel engine *without* conversion. Conversion and/or blending with normal diesel fuel is when you want to burn straight vegetable oil. It has gotten hard to find caustic soda in small quantities, and that's one of the raw materials (that and methanol) used to crack the triglycerides. I wanted to try making just a quart or two of biodiesel as an experiment, but Red Devil has stopped making lye, and I can't find the Roebic heavy duty drain cleaner that is also pure lye. (I think maybe it has been discontinued also.) I think E85 gasoline can be used in place of the methanol, but then you have to use potassium hydroxide for the catalyst. Bob |
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wrote Rod Speed wrote Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote wrote Rod Speed wrote I wasnt talking about corn as a source of veg oil, just as an example of a crop that is produced in the first world using industrial scale agriculture that doesnt get used in the low labor cost countrys. The U.S. *is* a low labor cost country when it comes to agriculture. Depends on the specific agriculture you are talking about. Depends on the going rate for wages. It depends on a hell of a lot more than just that. There's a reason you dont see much industrial scale agriculture in the third world. Why would they need it ? Oh, a few tiny details like producing enough to eat etc. You think they're starving ? In India $80 p.c.m. is a decent wage for industrial workers if they can get it. Agricultural workers will be on a fraction of that. Irrelevant to that silly claim about US agriculture. What claim ? Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find it in the quoting at the top. About labour ? That's someone else's claim. Dumb donkey, haven't you learned to not argue with Ronny? I know it takes a while to learn the lesson. Ten years ago Ron made some sense. Apparently age has taken its toll. Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag. |
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says... krw wrote wrote Rod Speed wrote Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote wrote Rod Speed wrote I wasnt talking about corn as a source of veg oil, just as an example of a crop that is produced in the first world using industrial scale agriculture that doesnt get used in the low labor cost countrys. The U.S. *is* a low labor cost country when it comes to agriculture. Depends on the specific agriculture you are talking about. Depends on the going rate for wages. It depends on a hell of a lot more than just that. There's a reason you dont see much industrial scale agriculture in the third world. Why would they need it ? Oh, a few tiny details like producing enough to eat etc. You think they're starving ? In India $80 p.c.m. is a decent wage for industrial workers if they can get it. Agricultural workers will be on a fraction of that. Irrelevant to that silly claim about US agriculture. What claim ? Even someone as stupid as you should be able to find it in the quoting at the top. About labour ? That's someone else's claim. Dumb donkey, haven't you learned to not argue with Ronny? I know it takes a while to learn the lesson. Ten years ago Ron made some sense. Apparently age has taken its toll. Never ever could bull**** its way out of a wet paper bag. Never could find a new line. -- Keith |
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Yes it does. An OEM license of XP Home costs the manufacturer between $45 and $65 depending on the quantity purchased, with XP Professional costing another $20-30. On a low-end PC this is more than any other single component, including the CPU, disk drive, Motherboard, or RAM (512MB). On higher end PCs the OS is not the most expensive part, as the larger drives, higher-end CPUs and increased amount of RAM push up the costs of these other components. This is why there's a big incentive to sell higher end machines, the OS is a fixed cost no matter how much the machine costs. |
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An OEM license of XP Home costs the manufacturer between $45 and $65 depending on the quantity purchased, with XP Professional costing another $20-30. You've just plucked those numbers out of your arse. On a low-end PC this is more than any other single component, including the CPU, disk drive, Motherboard, or RAM (512MB). Pity about the monitor. On higher end PCs the OS is not the most expensive part, as the larger drives, higher-end CPUs and increased amount of RAM push up the costs of these other components. This is why there's a big incentive to sell higher end machines, the OS is a fixed cost no matter how much the machine costs. Mindlessly silly. Have fun explaining why there is a push to sell high end cars too, when those dont even have an OS. |
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In article .com, says... Rod Speed wrote: I wasnt talking about corn as a source of veg oil, just as an example of a crop that is produced in the first world using industrial scale agriculture that doesnt get used in the low labor cost countrys. The U.S. *is* a low labor cost country when it comes to agriculture. That which is mechanized; corn, soy beans, wheat, etc. The labor imports itself from across the border. Something like 24% of the agricultural labor force is =3Fimported=3F. Unfortunately, a lot of agriculture is not easily mechanized, especially fruit harvesting. No one's designed a strawberry picking machine yet. For apples sent to be processed for juice or sauce, they can shake the tree, but for apples to be sold as whole fruit they have to pick them because they don't want them bruised. About 45% of fruit harvesting, and 25% of vegetable harvesting is still down by hand. |
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SMS wrote: Eeyore wrote: Yes it does. An OEM license of XP Home costs the manufacturer between $45 and $65 depending on the quantity purchased, with XP Professional costing another $20-30. On a low-end PC this is more than any other single component, including the CPU, disk drive, Motherboard, or RAM (512MB). On higher end PCs the OS is not the most expensive part, as the larger drives, higher-end CPUs and increased amount of RAM push up the costs of these other components. This is why there's a big incentive to sell higher end machines, the OS is a fixed cost no matter how much the machine costs. Exactly. Graham |
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Rod Speed wrote: Have fun explaining why there is a push to sell high end cars too, when those dont even have an OS. Yes they do. Graham |
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Eeyore wrote: Yes it does. An OEM license of XP Home costs the manufacturer between $45 and $65 depending on the quantity purchased, with XP Professional costing another $20-30. On a low-end PC this is more than any other single component, including the CPU, disk drive, Motherboard, or RAM (512MB). On higher end PCs the OS is not the most expensive part, as the larger drives, higher-end CPUs and increased amount of RAM push up the costs of these other components. This is why there's a big incentive to sell higher end machines, the OS is a fixed cost no matter how much the machine costs. I forgot to mention, that with Vista, Microsoft raised the price to manufacturer's by 10% over the cost of XP Home. So while other components in the PC are decreasing, the cost of the OS is actually going up significantly. If your machines aren't WHQL certified, and it's becoming harder due to Vista, you get to pay more as well. |
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says... krw wrote: In article .com, says... Rod Speed wrote: I wasnt talking about corn as a source of veg oil, just as an example of a crop that is produced in the first world using industrial scale agriculture that doesnt get used in the low labor cost countrys. The U.S. *is* a low labor cost country when it comes to agriculture. That which is mechanized; corn, soy beans, wheat, etc. The labor imports itself from across the border. Something like 24% of the agricultural labor force is =3Fimported=3F. Unfortunately, a lot of agriculture is not easily mechanized, especially fruit harvesting. No one's designed a strawberry picking machine yet. Keyword: yet. If labor costs rise above some point, one will magically appear. For apples sent to be processed for juice or sauce, they can shake the tree, but for apples to be sold as whole fruit they have to pick them because they don't want them bruised. TOday, though I hear this one is closer to mechanization. About 45% of fruit harvesting, and 25% of vegetable harvesting is still down by hand. That doesn't change the 24% number (imported ag labor force) above. -- Keith |
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Rod Speed wrote: Have fun explaining why there is a push to sell high end cars too, when those dont even have an OS. Yes they do. Graham LOL, it's true, they do have an OS. And even a network! On vehicles, the push to sell high end cars is for the same sort of reason. The labor cost to assemble a car doesn't vary much between a low-end compact, and a high-end luxury car. The components are more expensive, there is more steel, a bigger engine, etc., but the labor is one of the biggest costs, and it's fixed. So they make a lot more profit on the high end cars, even though the components are more expensive. |
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Rod Speed wrote Have fun explaining why there is a push to sell high end cars too, when those dont even have an OS. Yes they do. No they dont. Thats not an OS, thats just the code in the electronic controls. |
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Keyword: yet. If labor costs rise above some point, one will magically appear. No, it won't appear by magic. It would appear if someone designs it. There's another reason for the lack of mechanization as well, the mechanized machinery requires more space between rows, which decreases the yield per acre. I was visiting a winery up in Sonoma county, and the owner was explaining how he and the next winery over had increased the row spacing of the vines in order to allow for mechanize grape picking, because labor was so hard to come by. He felt that yielding less grapes per acre was worth the advantage of being able to pick by machine if necessary. |
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krw wrote wrote Rod Speed wrote I wasnt talking about corn as a source of veg oil, just as an example of a crop that is produced in the first world using industrial scale agriculture that doesnt get used in the low labor cost countrys. The U.S. *is* a low labor cost country when it comes to agriculture. That which is mechanized; corn, soy beans, wheat, etc. The labor imports itself from across the border. Something like 24% of the agricultural labor force is =3Fimported=3F. Unfortunately, a lot of agriculture is not easily mechanized, Depends entirely on how you define a lot. especially fruit harvesting. No one's designed a strawberry picking machine yet. For apples sent to be processed for juice or sauce, they can shake the tree, but for apples to be sold as whole fruit they have to pick them because they don't want them bruised. About 45% of fruit harvesting, and 25% of vegetable harvesting is still down by hand. That last is overstated. And it doesnt have to be done without humans involved to be mechanised anyway. |
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Rod Speed wrote: Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote Have fun explaining why there is a push to sell high end cars too, when those dont even have an OS. Yes they do. No they dont. google: rtos automotive 437,000 hits |
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google: rtos automotive 437,000 hits The early automotive computers were just running some microcode to do engine management. The newer computers are doing a lot more than managing the fuel mixture, and there is indeed an operating system, often more than just one. The CAN controllers have finally fallen in price enough that the vehicle wiring has become much simpler, but the replacement cost to the owner if one of the CAN targets needs to be replaced is outrageously high. |
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Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote SMS wrote An OEM license of XP Home costs the manufacturer between $45 and $65 depending on the quantity purchased, with XP Professional costing another $20-30. You've just plucked those numbers out of your arse. On a low-end PC this is more than any other single component, including the CPU, disk drive, Motherboard, or RAM (512MB). Pity about the monitor. On higher end PCs the OS is not the most expensive part, as the larger drives, higher-end CPUs and increased amount of RAM push up the costs of these other components. This is why there's a big incentive to sell higher end machines, the OS is a fixed cost no matter how much the machine costs. Mindlessly silly. Have fun explaining why there is a push to sell high end cars too, when those dont even have an OS. Yes they do. LOL, it's true, they do have an OS. Clearly wouldnt know what an OS was if it bit it on its lard arse. And even a network! Irrelevant. On vehicles, the push to sell high end cars is for the same sort of reason. No it isnt with the OS being discussed. The labor cost to assemble a car doesn't vary much between a low-end compact, and a high-end luxury car. Irrelevant to what is being discussed, THE PRICE OF THE OS. The components are more expensive, there is more steel, a bigger engine, etc., but the labor is one of the biggest costs, and it's fixed. Irrelevant to what is being discussed, THE PRICE OF THE OS. So they make a lot more profit on the high end cars, even though the components are more expensive. Irrelevant to what is being discussed, THE PRICE OF THE OS. |
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Rod Speed wrote Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote Have fun explaining why there is a push to sell high end cars too, when those dont even have an OS. Yes they do. No they dont. google: rtos automotive 437,000 hits google: aliens 37,500,000 hits http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system A microwave oven doesnt have an OS either. |
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The early automotive computers were just running some microcode to do engine management. The newer computers are doing a lot more than managing the fuel mixture, Doesnt make it an OS, the microcode is just doing more. and there is indeed an operating system, Nope. often more than just one. You clearly wouldnt know what an OS was if it bit you on your lard arse. The CAN controllers have finally fallen in price enough that the vehicle wiring has become much simpler, but the replacement cost to the owner if one of the CAN targets needs to be replaced is outrageously high. Irrelevant to whether its got an OS. |
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krw wrote Keyword: yet. If labor costs rise above some point, one will magically appear. No, it won't appear by magic. It would appear if someone designs it. Pathetic, really. There's another reason for the lack of mechanization as well, the mechanized machinery requires more space between rows, which decreases the yield per acre. Nope, all thats mechanised now can use the normal row spacing. I was visiting a winery up in Sonoma county, and the owner was explaining how he and the next winery over had increased the row spacing of the vines in order to allow for mechanize grape picking, because labor was so hard to come by. Have fun explaining how all of ours that used to be manually harvested changed over to mechanical harvesting without replanting. He felt that yielding less grapes per acre was worth the advantage of being able to pick by machine if necessary. See above. |
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SMS wrote: SMS wrote: Eeyore wrote: Yes it does. An OEM license of XP Home costs the manufacturer between $45 and $65 depending on the quantity purchased, with XP Professional costing another $20-30. On a low-end PC this is more than any other single component, including the CPU, disk drive, Motherboard, or RAM (512MB). On higher end PCs the OS is not the most expensive part, as the larger drives, higher-end CPUs and increased amount of RAM push up the costs of these other components. This is why there's a big incentive to sell higher end machines, the OS is a fixed cost no matter how much the machine costs. I forgot to mention, that with Vista, Microsoft raised the price to manufacturer's by 10% over the cost of XP Home. So while other components in the PC are decreasing, the cost of the OS is actually going up significantly. If your machines aren't WHQL certified, and it's becoming harder due to Vista, you get to pay more as well. What's WHQL certified ? Graham |
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Rod Speed wrote: Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote Have fun explaining why there is a push to sell high end cars too, when those dont even have an OS. Yes they do. No they dont. Thats not an OS, thats just the code in the electronic controls. You need to read up a bit. OS needn't mean something like Windows or Linux or even DOS btw. Graham |
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Rod Speed wrote: SMS wrote Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote Mindlessly silly. Have fun explaining why there is a push to sell high end cars too, when those dont even have an OS. Yes they do. LOL, it's true, they do have an OS. Clearly wouldnt know what an OS was if it bit it on its lard arse. Automotive Grade Linux Features Automotive Grade Linux is specifically engineered to meet automotive industry requirements, including real-time determinism, fast boot-time and quick in-vehicle bus communication response time - all within a surprisingly small footprint. Automotive Grade Linux offers the following benefits: With an average user space latency of 50 microseconds and 48-microsecond worst-case interrupt latency under heavy load, Automotive Grade Linux has quick response time to interrupts and low user-space latency. Automotive Grade Linux complies with the low memory resources of automotive hardware by efficiently fitting into 1-2 MB of Flash. Optimized for various sleep modes, Automotive Grade Linux enables controller-level power management for CPU and peripherals. Automotive Grade Linux interfaces with in-vehicle networks, such as the CAN bus, and has been engineered to respond to incoming responses to meet automotive specifications. Critical applications can be operational within 50ms after power on, and system and application boot times are below 1 - 2 seconds after power on. Detailed Features Automotive Grade Linux is based on open standards such as Java™ and POSIX threading to support automotive software development. Striving to meet the many technical needs in automotive development, Automotive Grade Linux is designed to provide middleware for integration with a full range of technologies, including: Bluetooth® Wireless networking GPS navigation Voice recognition Most drivers for streaming entertainment and communication protocols for use in fleet management, such as the SAE J1587 protocol http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/...01272686884403 Graham |
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Rod Speed wrote: Dan Bloomquist wrote Rod Speed wrote Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote Have fun explaining why there is a push to sell high end cars too, when those dont even have an OS. Yes they do. No they dont. google: rtos automotive 437,000 hits google: aliens 37,500,000 hits http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system A microwave oven doesnt have an OS either. http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/...01272686884403 Automotive Grade Linux Features Automotive Grade Linux is specifically engineered to meet automotive industry requirements, including real-time determinism, fast boot-time and quick in-vehicle bus communication response time - all within a surprisingly small footprint. Automotive Grade Linux offers the following benefits: With an average user space latency of 50 microseconds and 48-microsecond worst-case interrupt latency under heavy load, Automotive Grade Linux has quick response time to interrupts and low user-space latency. Automotive Grade Linux complies with the low memory resources of automotive hardware by efficiently fitting into 1-2 MB of Flash. Optimized for various sleep modes, Automotive Grade Linux enables controller-level power management for CPU and peripherals. Automotive Grade Linux interfaces with in-vehicle networks, such as the CAN bus, and has been engineered to respond to incoming responses to meet automotive specifications. Critical applications can be operational within 50ms after power on, and system and application boot times are below 1 - 2 seconds after power on. Detailed Features Automotive Grade Linux is based on open standards such as Java™ and POSIX threading to support automotive software development. Striving to meet the many technical needs in automotive development, Automotive Grade Linux is designed to provide middleware for integration with a full range of technologies, including: Bluetooth® Wireless networking GPS navigation Voice recognition Most drivers for streaming entertainment and communication protocols for use in fleet management, such as the SAE J1587 protocol |
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Rod Speed wrote: SMS wrote The early automotive computers were just running some microcode to do engine management. The newer computers are doing a lot more than managing the fuel mixture, Doesnt make it an OS, the microcode is just doing more. Automotive Grade Linux Features Automotive Grade Linux is specifically engineered to meet automotive industry requirements, including real-time determinism, fast boot-time and quick in-vehicle bus communication response time - all within a surprisingly small footprint. Automotive Grade Linux offers the following benefits: With an average user space latency of 50 microseconds and 48-microsecond worst-case interrupt latency under heavy load, Automotive Grade Linux has quick response time to interrupts and low user-space latency. Automotive Grade Linux complies with the low memory resources of automotive hardware by efficiently fitting into 1-2 MB of Flash. Optimized for various sleep modes, Automotive Grade Linux enables controller-level power management for CPU and peripherals. Automotive Grade Linux interfaces with in-vehicle networks, such as the CAN bus, and has been engineered to respond to incoming responses to meet automotive specifications. Critical applications can be operational within 50ms after power on, and system and application boot times are below 1 - 2 seconds after power on. Detailed Features Automotive Grade Linux is based on open standards such as Java™ and POSIX threading to support automotive software development. Striving to meet the many technical needs in automotive development, Automotive Grade Linux is designed to provide middleware for integration with a full range of technologies, including: Bluetooth® Wireless networking GPS navigation Voice recognition Most drivers for streaming entertainment and communication protocols for use in fleet management, such as the SAE J1587 protocol |
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system This is right from your reference. "An operating system (OS) is a computer program that manages the hardware and software resources of a computer. At the foundation of all system software, the OS performs basic tasks such as controlling and allocating memory, prioritizing system requests, controlling input and output devices, facilitating networking, and managing files." What part of most Real Time Operating Systems, "RTOS", is not part of your reference above. Many complex systems such as some cars use an RTOS. A microwave oven doesn't have an OS either. Possibly not. But certainly will in the future. Duane -- Home of the $35 Solar Tracker Receiver http://www.redrok.com/led3xassm.htm[*] Powered by \ \ \ //| Thermonuclear Solar Energy from the Sun / | Energy (the SUN) \ \ \ / / | Red Rock Energy \ \ / / | Duane C. Johnson Designer \ \ / \ / | 1825 Florence St Heliostat,Control,& Mounts | White Bear Lake, Minnesota === \ / \ | USA 55110-3364 === \ | (651)426-4766 use Courier New Font \ | (my email: address) \ | http://www.redrok.com (Web site) === |
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"Duane C. Johnson" wrote: Rod Speed wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system This is right from your reference. "An operating system (OS) is a computer program that manages the hardware and software resources of a computer. At the foundation of all system software, the OS performs basic tasks such as controlling and allocating memory, prioritizing system requests, controlling input and output devices, facilitating networking, and managing files." What part of most Real Time Operating Systems, "RTOS", is not part of your reference above. Many complex systems such as some cars use an RTOS. A microwave oven doesn't have an OS either. Possibly not. But certainly will in the future. It'll probably have an IP address too. Graham |
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What's WHQL certified ? What does WHQL stand for? Windows Hardware Quality Labs (Microsoft) http://www.acronymfinder.com/acronym.aspx?rec={940EEE5C-89E8-11D4-8351-00C04FC2C2BF} Graham Duane -- Home of the $35 Solar Tracker Receiver http://www.redrok.com/led3xassm.htm[*] Powered by \ \ \ //| Thermonuclear Solar Energy from the Sun / | Energy (the SUN) \ \ \ / / | Red Rock Energy \ \ / / | Duane C. Johnson Designer \ \ / \ / | 1825 Florence St Heliostat,Control,& Mounts | White Bear Lake, Minnesota === \ / \ | USA 55110-3364 === \ | (651)426-4766 use Courier New Font \ | (my email: address) \ | http://www.redrok.com (Web site) === |
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What's WHQL certified ? Graham Windows Hardware Qualification Labs. Microsoft has a very detailed program to qualify hardware for Windows. There are minimum performance requirements, boot time requirements, requirements in terms of what hardware is permitted and forbidden, etc. If a manufacturer achieves WHQL certification on a platform then the operating system costs less. Manufacturers are permitted to self-certify if Microsoft qualifies them, or they can send systems to Microsoft for qualification (it isn't cheap!) I was working on one project where we couldn't meet the required boot time, due to the extra bits of software in the XP Tablet Edition. The manufacturer didn't care that the system was a few seconds short of the requirement, except for the fact that it would cost them more for the OS if they couldn't certify the system. Eventually they received a waiver from Microsoft, which is a hassle, but Microsoft does grant them if you have a good reason. The way I found out how much at least one top-tier manufacturer was paying for the OS was when they complained to me about the system being too slow, and how much the OS would cost them if we didn't fix the problem for them. Like many top-tier manufacturers, this company does very little design, it's all farmed out to design houses or to the actual manufacturing company. |
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Rod Speed wrote SMS wrote Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote Mindlessly silly. Have fun explaining why there is a push to sell high end cars too, when those dont even have an OS. Yes they do. LOL, it's true, they do have an OS. Clearly wouldnt know what an OS was if it bit it on its lard arse. Automotive Grade Linux Features Not used in the absolute vast bulk of engine control systems. Keep desperately digging, you'll be out in china any day now, again. |
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Rod Speed wrote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system This is right from your reference. "An operating system (OS) is a computer program that manages the hardware and software resources of a computer. And that doesnt happen with engine control systems in cars, most obviously with the software. At the foundation of all system software, the OS performs basic tasks such as controlling and allocating memory, prioritizing system requests, controlling input and output devices, facilitating networking, and managing files." That last doesnt happen with engine control systems either. What part of most Real Time Operating Systems, "RTOS", is not part of your reference above. Many complex systems such as some cars use an RTOS. See above. A microwave oven doesn't have an OS either. Possibly not. But certainly will in the future. Wrong, as always. ALL a microwave needs is microcode, stupid. AND even if cars did have OSs, and they dont, that is not the reason car manufacturers make more money on the more expensive cars anyway. |
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"Duane C. Johnson" wrote: Rod Speed wrote: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system This is right from your reference. "An operating system (OS) is a computer program that manages the hardware and software resources of a computer. At the foundation of all system software, the OS performs basic tasks such as controlling and allocating memory, prioritizing system requests, controlling input and output devices, facilitating networking, and managing files." What part of most Real Time Operating Systems, "RTOS", is not part of your reference above. Many complex systems such as some cars use an RTOS. A microwave oven doesn't have an OS either. Possibly not. But certainly will in the future. It'll probably have an IP address too. Doesnt mean its got an OS. Plenty of stuff has an IP and no OS. |
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Rod Speed wrote Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote Have fun explaining why there is a push to sell high end cars too, when those dont even have an OS. Yes they do. No they dont. Thats not an OS, thats just the code in the electronic controls. You need to read up a bit. You need to take Bull****ting 101. OS needn't mean something like Windows or Linux or even DOS btw. No one ever said it did. There is however a difference between code in a computer and an OS. AND even if cars did have OSs, and they dont, that is not the reason car manufacturers make more money on the more expensive cars anyway. |
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Rod Speed wrote: Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote SMS wrote Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote Mindlessly silly. Have fun explaining why there is a push to sell high end cars too, when those dont even have an OS. Yes they do. LOL, it's true, they do have an OS. Clearly wouldnt know what an OS was if it bit it on its lard arse. Automotive Grade Linux Features Not used in the absolute vast bulk of engine control systems. That's the direction it's heading in. Keep desperately digging, you'll be out in china any day now, again. I've been there already. Graham |
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Rod Speed wrote: Duane C. Johnson wrote Rod Speed wrote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system This is right from your reference. "An operating system (OS) is a computer program that manages the hardware and software resources of a computer. And that doesnt happen with engine control systems in cars, most obviously with the software. Cars have more computers than just the ECU now. Graham |
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Rod Speed wrote: Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote Have fun explaining why there is a push to sell high end cars too, when those dont even have an OS. Yes they do. No they dont. Thats not an OS, thats just the code in the electronic controls. You need to read up a bit. You need to take Bull****ting 101. OS needn't mean something like Windows or Linux or even DOS btw. No one ever said it did. There is however a difference between code in a computer and an OS. AND even if cars did have OSs, and they dont, Your info is out of date. that is not the reason car manufacturers make more money on the more expensive cars anyway. I never said it was. It's to reduce amnufacturing cost. Graham |
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Rod Speed wrote Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote SMS wrote Eeyore wrote Rod Speed wrote Mindlessly silly. Have fun explaining why there is a push to sell high end cars too, when those dont even have an OS. Yes they do. LOL, it's true, they do have an OS. Clearly wouldnt know what an OS was if it bit it on its lard arse. Automotive Grade Linux Features Not used in the absolute vast bulk of engine control systems. That's the direction it's heading in. Nope, you watch. Keep desperately digging, you'll be out in china any day now, again. I've been there already. Pathetic, really. |
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Rod Speed wrote Duane C. Johnson wrote Rod Speed wrote http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operating_system This is right from your reference. "An operating system (OS) is a computer program that manages the hardware and software resources of a computer. And that doesnt happen with engine control systems in cars, most obviously with the software. Cars have more computers than just the ECU now. Still dont have an OS in the absolute vast bulk of them. |
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