Telephone lines: going from 2 to 1
 

I would be grateful for any assistance with the following:

Until about a month ago we had two conventional telephone lines in our
home. We recently removed a business line from our home phone network,
and now have one residential line. The business line had a 482
exchange. The residential line had a 972 exchange. Here is what
happened:

The 972 line was in service for several years before we added the 482
line.

--972 line has conventional wall outlets throughout the house.

--482 was wired to service a single jack in the home office.

To make a long story short, we decided to keep the 482 line and
discontinue service for the 972 line. My idea was to use a cordless
phone and base that we would install in the 482 phone jack in the
office, and then have cordless units throughout the house.

It worked for a while, but recently we have been having trouble with
the cordless phones, and now I would like to alter the phone line
wiring (presumably at the NID) so that the 482 exchange can be accessed
at the various wall outlets throughout the house.

My assumption is that this is a relatively simple effort that involves
switching the wiring at the NID, and possibly behind the wall outlet in
the office. I have done some research on the net on this topic but
have only found information pertaining to adding a line, not removing
one.

The office wall outlet for the phones has two openings, one each for
the 972 line and for the 482 line. See this following pictu

-- http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring6.jpg

I removed the outlet from the wall.

This photo shows an in focus view of the blue wiring at the top of the
bar; all wires are connected properly, so I am assuming that this is
the 482 line, which is giving a dial tone.

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring5.jpg

--This photo shows an in focus view of a green wire that has detached
from the grommet that connects it to the lower part of the bar. I have
not yet reattached it, but I have to assume that it is part of the old
972 line:

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring7.jpg;


Here are photos of the wiring at the NID:

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring1.jpg

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring3.jpg

The photo immediately above shows green and white wires that connect
to another, much older interface device which links to a 482 telephone
at an outbuilding on the property. Here is a photo that shows how that
line is wired.

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring4.jpg

Again, any help in figuring this out would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Telephone lines: going from 2 to 1
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
I would be grateful for any assistance with the following:

Until about a month ago we had two conventional telephone lines in our
home. We recently removed a business line from our home phone network,
and now have one residential line. The business line had a 482
exchange. The residential line had a 972 exchange. Here is what
happened:

The 972 line was in service for several years before we added the 482
line.

--972 line has conventional wall outlets throughout the house.

--482 was wired to service a single jack in the home office.

To make a long story short, we decided to keep the 482 line and
discontinue service for the 972 line. My idea was to use a cordless
phone and base that we would install in the 482 phone jack in the
office, and then have cordless units throughout the house.

It worked for a while, but recently we have been having trouble with
the cordless phones, and now I would like to alter the phone line
wiring (presumably at the NID) so that the 482 exchange can be accessed
at the various wall outlets throughout the house.

My assumption is that this is a relatively simple effort that involves
switching the wiring at the NID, and possibly behind the wall outlet in
the office. I have done some research on the net on this topic but
have only found information pertaining to adding a line, not removing
one.

The office wall outlet for the phones has two openings, one each for
the 972 line and for the 482 line. See this following pictu

-- http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring6.jpg

I removed the outlet from the wall.

This photo shows an in focus view of the blue wiring at the top of the
bar; all wires are connected properly, so I am assuming that this is
the 482 line, which is giving a dial tone.

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring5.jpg

--This photo shows an in focus view of a green wire that has detached
from the grommet that connects it to the lower part of the bar. I have
not yet reattached it, but I have to assume that it is part of the old
972 line:

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring7.jpg;


Here are photos of the wiring at the NID:

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring1.jpg

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring3.jpg

The photo immediately above shows green and white wires that connect
to another, much older interface device which links to a 482 telephone
at an outbuilding on the property. Here is a photo that shows how that
line is wired.

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring4.jpg

Again, any help in figuring this out would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.



Go to a working phone. Dial 611 or 511. In most locales, you'll hear a
computerized voice telling you the phone number of the line you're connected
to. Problem solved.

Telephone lines: going from 2 to 1
 

Again, any help in figuring this out would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.



Go to a working phone. Dial 611 or 511. In most locales, you'll hear a
computerized voice telling you the phone number of the line you're connected
to. Problem solved.


You should read the original post more carefully. S/he said that the
972 business line was removed and there now is only one line in the
house.

To the original poster - Your first goal is to make sure that you have
dial tone on your existing phone available on two wires at each phone
jack location.

If you can buy, borrow or beg for the use of a telephone lineman's
headset (basically a phone with clip-on wires), it will make the job
much easier.

If this is not available, you can take a spare phone and plug it into
what is called an RJ-11 phone jack (available from companies like
Radio Shack, Jameco Electronics, or MCM in One Electronics) and
connect two properly stripped wires to the RED and GREEN marked
terminal screws. At your main house junction block you should hear
dial tone when this phone is off the hook and the jack wires are
connected to either the two nuts on the left (most likely) or the two
nuts on the right.

Now the trick is to make sure that every jack in your house is
connected to these two (working dial tone) terminals. You are sort
of on your own here as we can't tell how your house is wired.

Once you have a working phone line with dial tone at each outlet, you
need to connect the equivalent of the RED and GREEN wires for the jack
(the color standard for one line or line# 1) to the wires that give
you the working phone line.

Your old jacks look like computer RJ-45 connectors, which work for
phones but they are overkill. You may wish to purchase some extra
RJ-11 jacks and replace them. The latter is designed specifically for
one line telephones. (For nit-pickers, I know that RJ-11 refers to a
standard, not the jack, but I am using the designation that is almost
100% universal in common usage).

Beachcomber

Telephone lines: going from 2 to 1
 

OK, let me give this a shot.

1) The new NID services the 482 line. If you unplug the black jack, you
should lose service. Correct? If so go to 2. If not repost.

2) The old NID houses the service to the 972 line. The picture show a
rats nest which I can't clearly make out but I can try to give you
guidance. Two of the wires connected to the protector (block with the
posts) should be your inside 972 wires. Connect these to the two
existing wires that come from your new NID. If this is outside, replace
the two loose wires with a jacketed cable. DO NOT disconnect the
outside wires from the old NID.

Thanks for the memories. In my prior life, I worked with the guys that
designed these parts.


wrote:
I would be grateful for any assistance with the following:

Until about a month ago we had two conventional telephone lines in our
home. We recently removed a business line from our home phone network,
and now have one residential line. The business line had a 482
exchange. The residential line had a 972 exchange. Here is what
happened:

The 972 line was in service for several years before we added the 482
line.

--972 line has conventional wall outlets throughout the house.

--482 was wired to service a single jack in the home office.

To make a long story short, we decided to keep the 482 line and
discontinue service for the 972 line. My idea was to use a cordless
phone and base that we would install in the 482 phone jack in the
office, and then have cordless units throughout the house.

It worked for a while, but recently we have been having trouble with
the cordless phones, and now I would like to alter the phone line
wiring (presumably at the NID) so that the 482 exchange can be accessed
at the various wall outlets throughout the house.

My assumption is that this is a relatively simple effort that involves
switching the wiring at the NID, and possibly behind the wall outlet in
the office. I have done some research on the net on this topic but
have only found information pertaining to adding a line, not removing
one.

The office wall outlet for the phones has two openings, one each for
the 972 line and for the 482 line. See this following pictu

-- http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring6.jpg

I removed the outlet from the wall.

This photo shows an in focus view of the blue wiring at the top of the
bar; all wires are connected properly, so I am assuming that this is
the 482 line, which is giving a dial tone.

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring5.jpg

--This photo shows an in focus view of a green wire that has detached
from the grommet that connects it to the lower part of the bar. I have
not yet reattached it, but I have to assume that it is part of the old
972 line:

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring7.jpg;


Here are photos of the wiring at the NID:

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring1.jpg

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring3.jpg

The photo immediately above shows green and white wires that connect
to another, much older interface device which links to a 482 telephone
at an outbuilding on the property. Here is a photo that shows how that
line is wired.

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring4.jpg

Again, any help in figuring this out would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Telephone lines: going from 2 to 1
 

On 28 Oct 2006 10:54:48 -0700, wrote:

I would be grateful for any assistance with the following:

Until about a month ago we had two conventional telephone lines in our
home. We recently removed a business line from our home phone network,
and now have one residential line. The business line had a 482
exchange. The residential line had a 972 exchange. Here is what
happened:

The 972 line was in service for several years before we added the 482
line.

--972 line has conventional wall outlets throughout the house.

--482 was wired to service a single jack in the home office.

To make a long story short, we decided to keep the 482 line and
discontinue service for the 972 line. My idea was to use a cordless
phone and base that we would install in the 482 phone jack in the
office, and then have cordless units throughout the house.

It worked for a while, but recently we have been having trouble with
the cordless phones, and now I would like to alter the phone line
wiring (presumably at the NID) so that the 482 exchange can be accessed
at the various wall outlets throughout the house.

My assumption is that this is a relatively simple effort that involves
switching the wiring at the NID, and possibly behind the wall outlet in
the office. I have done some research on the net on this topic but
have only found information pertaining to adding a line, not removing
one.

The office wall outlet for the phones has two openings, one each for
the 972 line and for the 482 line. See this following pictu

-- http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring6.jpg

I removed the outlet from the wall.

This photo shows an in focus view of the blue wiring at the top of the
bar; all wires are connected properly, so I am assuming that this is
the 482 line, which is giving a dial tone.

When you do your testing, you don't have to firmly connect the wires
to the screws. Just touching them both to separate screws will give a
dial tone, or the ability to hear whatever the phone line is saying.

In Chicago, when I was searching for a phone line among many, I would
call the Weather, because in those days, the weather would play and
play for hours I think without ever hanging up. In Baltimore these
days, the weather plays twice and then hangs up.

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring5.jpg

--This photo shows an in focus view of a green wire that has detached
from the grommet that connects it to the lower part of the bar. I have
not yet reattached it, but I have to assume that it is part of the old
972 line:

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring7.jpg;

Please stop putting punctuation or any other characters than a space
before or after a URL. If you want a semicolon after the url, put a
space in between. If you had done that, most of us could just click
on the urls. Now I don't think many can. I can't, on the two above
or several below. (The characters before http keep my software from
considering the rest of it a url. Characters afterwards just make it
an invalid url.)

Here are photos of the wiring at the NID:

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring1.jpg

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring3.jpg

The photo immediately above shows green and white wires that connect
to another, much older interface device which links to a 482 telephone
at an outbuilding on the property. Here is a photo that shows how that
line is wired.

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring4.jpg

Again, any help in figuring this out would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Telephone lines: going from 2 to 1
 

I have uploaded another photo showing the relationship of the two NIDs:

http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring9.jpg

noname87, I could not figure out what you were trying to say in 2
below, i.e., "Connect these to the two existing wires that come from
your new NID".

Using the new photo, can you give me more detail? Thanks so much.


wrote:
OK, let me give this a shot.

1) The new NID services the 482 line. If you unplug the black jack, you
should lose service. Correct? If so go to 2. If not repost.

2) The old NID houses the service to the 972 line. The picture show a
rats nest which I can't clearly make out but I can try to give you
guidance. Two of the wires connected to the protector (block with the
posts) should be your inside 972 wires. Connect these to the two
existing wires that come from your new NID. If this is outside, replace
the two loose wires with a jacketed cable. DO NOT disconnect the
outside wires from the old NID.

Thanks for the memories. In my prior life, I worked with the guys that
designed these parts.


wrote:
I would be grateful for any assistance with the following:

Until about a month ago we had two conventional telephone lines in our
home. We recently removed a business line from our home phone network,
and now have one residential line. The business line had a 482
exchange. The residential line had a 972 exchange. Here is what
happened:

The 972 line was in service for several years before we added the 482
line.

--972 line has conventional wall outlets throughout the house.

--482 was wired to service a single jack in the home office.

To make a long story short, we decided to keep the 482 line and
discontinue service for the 972 line. My idea was to use a cordless
phone and base that we would install in the 482 phone jack in the
office, and then have cordless units throughout the house.

It worked for a while, but recently we have been having trouble with
the cordless phones, and now I would like to alter the phone line
wiring (presumably at the NID) so that the 482 exchange can be accessed
at the various wall outlets throughout the house.

My assumption is that this is a relatively simple effort that involves
switching the wiring at the NID, and possibly behind the wall outlet in
the office. I have done some research on the net on this topic but
have only found information pertaining to adding a line, not removing
one.

The office wall outlet for the phones has two openings, one each for
the 972 line and for the 482 line. See this following pictu

-- http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring6.jpg

I removed the outlet from the wall.

This photo shows an in focus view of the blue wiring at the top of the
bar; all wires are connected properly, so I am assuming that this is
the 482 line, which is giving a dial tone.

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring5.jpg

--This photo shows an in focus view of a green wire that has detached
from the grommet that connects it to the lower part of the bar. I have
not yet reattached it, but I have to assume that it is part of the old
972 line:

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring7.jpg;


Here are photos of the wiring at the NID:

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring1.jpg

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring3.jpg

The photo immediately above shows green and white wires that connect
to another, much older interface device which links to a 482 telephone
at an outbuilding on the property. Here is a photo that shows how that
line is wired.

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring4.jpg

Again, any help in figuring this out would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Telephone lines: going from 2 to 1
 

The easiest, perhaps not the best solution would be; get a 1 into 2
adapter and a short line cord, plug the adapter into the 482 line, run
the short line cord from the adapter to the 972 jack, and the entire
house should be 482, plug the phone at that location into the other
side of the adapter.

Telephone lines: going from 2 to 1 - Success
 

That worked, thank you so much.

Eric in North TX wrote:
The easiest, perhaps not the best solution would be; get a 1 into 2
adapter and a short line cord, plug the adapter into the 482 line, run
the short line cord from the adapter to the 972 jack, and the entire
house should be 482, plug the phone at that location into the other
side of the adapter.

Telephone lines: going from 2 to 1
 

It looks like you solved your problem before I could reply. If you
still need help you can email me directly.

wrote:
I have uploaded another photo showing the relationship of the two NIDs:

http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring9.jpg

noname87, I could not figure out what you were trying to say in 2
below, i.e., "Connect these to the two existing wires that come from
your new NID".

Using the new photo, can you give me more detail? Thanks so much.


wrote:
OK, let me give this a shot.

1) The new NID services the 482 line. If you unplug the black jack, you
should lose service. Correct? If so go to 2. If not repost.

2) The old NID houses the service to the 972 line. The picture show a
rats nest which I can't clearly make out but I can try to give you
guidance. Two of the wires connected to the protector (block with the
posts) should be your inside 972 wires. Connect these to the two
existing wires that come from your new NID. If this is outside, replace
the two loose wires with a jacketed cable. DO NOT disconnect the
outside wires from the old NID.

Thanks for the memories. In my prior life, I worked with the guys that
designed these parts.


wrote:
I would be grateful for any assistance with the following:

Until about a month ago we had two conventional telephone lines in our
home. We recently removed a business line from our home phone network,
and now have one residential line. The business line had a 482
exchange. The residential line had a 972 exchange. Here is what
happened:

The 972 line was in service for several years before we added the 482
line.

--972 line has conventional wall outlets throughout the house.

--482 was wired to service a single jack in the home office.

To make a long story short, we decided to keep the 482 line and
discontinue service for the 972 line. My idea was to use a cordless
phone and base that we would install in the 482 phone jack in the
office, and then have cordless units throughout the house.

It worked for a while, but recently we have been having trouble with
the cordless phones, and now I would like to alter the phone line
wiring (presumably at the NID) so that the 482 exchange can be accessed
at the various wall outlets throughout the house.

My assumption is that this is a relatively simple effort that involves
switching the wiring at the NID, and possibly behind the wall outlet in
the office. I have done some research on the net on this topic but
have only found information pertaining to adding a line, not removing
one.

The office wall outlet for the phones has two openings, one each for
the 972 line and for the 482 line. See this following pictu

-- http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring6.jpg

I removed the outlet from the wall.

This photo shows an in focus view of the blue wiring at the top of the
bar; all wires are connected properly, so I am assuming that this is
the 482 line, which is giving a dial tone.

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring5.jpg

--This photo shows an in focus view of a green wire that has detached
from the grommet that connects it to the lower part of the bar. I have
not yet reattached it, but I have to assume that it is part of the old
972 line:

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring7.jpg;


Here are photos of the wiring at the NID:

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring1.jpg

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring3.jpg

The photo immediately above shows green and white wires that connect
to another, much older interface device which links to a 482 telephone
at an outbuilding on the property. Here is a photo that shows how that
line is wired.

--http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring4.jpg

Again, any help in figuring this out would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Telephone lines: going from 2 to 1
 

Since the URL doesn't work if you start with a dash, I'll correct your
mistakes.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

wrote in message
oups.com...
I would be grateful for any assistance with the following:

Until about a month ago we had two conventional telephone lines in our
home. We recently removed a business line from our home phone
network,
and now have one residential line. The business line had a 482
exchange. The residential line had a 972 exchange. Here is what
happened:

The 972 line was in service for several years before we added the 482
line.

--972 line has conventional wall outlets throughout the house.

--482 was wired to service a single jack in the home office.

To make a long story short, we decided to keep the 482 line and
discontinue service for the 972 line. My idea was to use a cordless
phone and base that we would install in the 482 phone jack in the
office, and then have cordless units throughout the house.

It worked for a while, but recently we have been having trouble with
the cordless phones, and now I would like to alter the phone line
wiring (presumably at the NID) so that the 482 exchange can be
accessed
at the various wall outlets throughout the house.

My assumption is that this is a relatively simple effort that involves
switching the wiring at the NID, and possibly behind the wall outlet
in
the office. I have done some research on the net on this topic but
have only found information pertaining to adding a line, not removing
one.

The office wall outlet for the phones has two openings, one each for
the 972 line and for the 482 line. See this following pictu

-- http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring6.jpg

I removed the outlet from the wall.

This photo shows an in focus view of the blue wiring at the top of the
bar; all wires are connected properly, so I am assuming that this is
the 482 line, which is giving a dial tone.

-- http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring5.jpg

--This photo shows an in focus view of a green wire that has detached
from the grommet that connects it to the lower part of the bar. I
have
not yet reattached it, but I have to assume that it is part of the old
972 line:

-- http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring7.jpg;


Here are photos of the wiring at the NID:

-- http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring1.jpg

-- http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring3.jpg

The photo immediately above shows green and white wires that connect
to another, much older interface device which links to a 482 telephone
at an outbuilding on the property. Here is a photo that shows how
that
line is wired.

-- http://home.comcast.net/~bwv871/wiring4.jpg

Again, any help in figuring this out would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you.

Telephone lines: going from 2 to 1
 

Yep, that's quick and dirty. Back feed the lines. The only concern is
if someone later (telco guy) connects to the other line. Ought to been
disconnected at the network interface, but then a lot of things ought
to be.

--

Christopher A. Young
You can't shout down a troll.
You have to starve them.
..

"Eric in North TX" wrote in message
oups.com...

The easiest, perhaps not the best solution would be; get a 1 into 2
adapter and a short line cord, plug the adapter into the 482 line, run
the short line cord from the adapter to the 972 jack, and the entire
house should be 482, plug the phone at that location into the other
side of the adapter.