I have a toilet set on tile. When you sit on it it moves forward a tad,
when you get off it rocks back to its resting posistion. I also notice
when it sees a lot of activity, a small amount of water comes out of
the front section where the base meets the tile.I have checked the nuts
and they are tight. I assume the tile is not level and this is the
problem? Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.

wrote:
I have a toilet set on tile. When you sit on it it moves forward a
tad, when you get off it rocks back to its resting posistion. I
also notice when it sees a lot of activity, a small amount of water
comes out of the front section where the base meets the tile.I have
checked the nuts and they are tight. I assume the tile is not level
and this is the problem? Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.

1. Set it in a mortar bed

2. Use wedges. #1 is better.

--

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On 19 Oct 2006 10:02:13 -0700, wrote:

I have a toilet set on tile. When you sit on it it moves forward a tad,
when you get off it rocks back to its resting posistion. I also notice
when it sees a lot of activity, a small amount of water comes out of
the front section where the base meets the tile.I have checked the nuts
and they are tight. I assume the tile is not level and this is the
problem? Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.

Install a new wax ring. In one case of mine I had to double the wax
ring and add two vinyl wedges to stop the "rocking" and get a good
seal.
--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

wrote:
I have a toilet set on tile. When you sit on it it moves forward a tad,
when you get off it rocks back to its resting posistion. I also notice
when it sees a lot of activity, a small amount of water comes out of
the front section where the base meets the tile.I have checked the nuts
and they are tight. I assume the tile is not level and this is the
problem? Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.

The toilet should be supported by a ring of plaster of Paris under it.
So, insert some wedges and get the position where you want it. Mix up
the plaster and pack it under the thrown. It will become rock hard
shortly. Note the wax ring has nothing to do with support -- it simply
seals so sewer gas doesn't escape.

wrote in message
oups.com...
I have a toilet set on tile. When you sit on it it moves forward a tad,
when you get off it rocks back to its resting posistion. I also notice
when it sees a lot of activity, a small amount of water comes out of
the front section where the base meets the tile.I have checked the nuts
and they are tight. I assume the tile is not level and this is the
problem? Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.


If you have a wood subfloor, you should treat the water leak with great
urgency. I'd wager that a little bit of water is leaking out with each flush
(after a 'lot of activity' enough leaked water has built up to leak out from
under the toilet). Since you have tile, you will most likely find a rough
cutout around the flange (the toilet's drain hole in the floor) where some
subfloor is exposed, which will inevitably suffer from water damage.

Tile sometimes causes sealing problems because of it's thickness and
standard wax rings aren't always enough to bridge the gap between the flange
and the toilet base. Use an extra thick ring, or in an extreme case (thick
tile like travertine on top of 1/2" concrete backerboard on top of wood
subfloor) you may have to stack rings.

wrote:
I have a toilet set on tile. When you sit on it it moves forward a tad,
when you get off it rocks back to its resting posistion. I also notice
when it sees a lot of activity, a small amount of water comes out of
the front section where the base meets the tile.I have checked the nuts
and they are tight. I assume the tile is not level and this is the
problem? Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.

Gads!

Water comes out?

Change your bees wax ring. Those rings are supposed to last 10 years,
but I'd put it on your maintenance schedule for review every 5 years or
so.

Leakage is gross and can result in dry rot.

MRS. CLEAN wrote:
wrote:

I have a toilet set on tile. When you sit on it it moves forward a tad,
when you get off it rocks back to its resting posistion. I also notice
when it sees a lot of activity, a small amount of water comes out of
the front section where the base meets the tile.I have checked the nuts
and they are tight. I assume the tile is not level and this is the
problem? Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.


Gads!

Water comes out?

Change your bees wax ring. Those rings are supposed to last 10 years,
but I'd put it on your maintenance schedule for review every 5 years or
so.

Leakage is gross and can result in dry rot.



--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength."

MRS. CLEAN wrote:

wrote:

I have a toilet set on tile. When you sit on it it moves forward a tad,
when you get off it rocks back to its resting posistion. I also notice
when it sees a lot of activity, a small amount of water comes out of
the front section where the base meets the tile.I have checked the nuts
and they are tight. I assume the tile is not level and this is the
problem? Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.


Gads!

Water comes out?

Change your bees wax ring. Those rings are supposed to last 10 years,
but I'd put it on your maintenance schedule for review every 5 years or
so.



That's the first time in my life I've ever heard anyone say that a wax
ring has an expected lifetime that short when installed under a toilet
that's properly seated.

What kind of failure mode occurs?

Can you offer a cite, perhaps from a wax ring supplier, which states that?

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength."

First, the wax ring is shot and needs to be replaced and any water
damage evaluated.

I heard a pro plumber recommend using pennies to shim toilets on uneven
tile floors (uneven tile, not uneven floor, which is a bigger problem).


-rev



wrote:
I have a toilet set on tile. When you sit on it it moves forward a tad,
when you get off it rocks back to its resting posistion. I also notice
when it sees a lot of activity, a small amount of water comes out of
the front section where the base meets the tile.I have checked the nuts
and they are tight. I assume the tile is not level and this is the
problem? Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.

Jeff Wisnia wrote in
et:

MRS. CLEAN wrote:

wrote:

I have a toilet set on tile. When you sit on it it moves forward a
tad, when you get off it rocks back to its resting posistion. I also
notice when it sees a lot of activity, a small amount of water comes
out of the front section where the base meets the tile.I have checked
the nuts and they are tight. I assume the tile is not level and this
is the problem? Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.


Gads!

Water comes out?

Change your bees wax ring. Those rings are supposed to last 10 years,
but I'd put it on your maintenance schedule for review every 5 years
or so.



That's the first time in my life I've ever heard anyone say that a wax
ring has an expected lifetime that short when installed under a toilet
that's properly seated.

What kind of failure mode occurs?

Can you offer a cite, perhaps from a wax ring supplier, which states
that?

Ring should not fail if properly seated. Water flowing down is not under
pressure.

likely a broken cracked flange or bolt

FIX IMMEDIATELY!

My mom didnt and had to replace entire bathroom floor including all new
tile. the water leak gets into the plywood delaminates and rots floor.
can cost thousands to fix if let go.

pull toilet, new wax ring check bolts and flange, repair floor if
needed.

YOU NEED TO FIX THIS IMMEDIATELY!

--
Kathy
www.ambergriscaye.com/villadelsol
"Jeff Wisnia" wrote in message
et...
MRS. CLEAN wrote:

wrote:

I have a toilet set on tile. When you sit on it it moves forward a tad,
when you get off it rocks back to its resting posistion. I also notice
when it sees a lot of activity, a small amount of water comes out of
the front section where the base meets the tile.I have checked the nuts
and they are tight. I assume the tile is not level and this is the
problem? Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.


Gads!

Water comes out?

Change your bees wax ring. Those rings are supposed to last 10 years,
but I'd put it on your maintenance schedule for review every 5 years or
so.



That's the first time in my life I've ever heard anyone say that a wax
ring has an expected lifetime that short when installed under a toilet
that's properly seated.

What kind of failure mode occurs?

Can you offer a cite, perhaps from a wax ring supplier, which states that?

Jeff

--
Jeffry Wisnia
(W1BSV + Brass Rat '57 EE)
"Rudeness is the weak man's imitation of strength."

Our was ring failed after about a year. Turns out it wasn't seated properly
to begin with.

kathy

It is in an upstairs condo. Tile on top of lightweight concrete. I will
have to pull it asap. Thanks for your help.


Joe wrote:
wrote in message
oups.com...
I have a toilet set on tile. When you sit on it it moves forward a tad,
when you get off it rocks back to its resting posistion. I also notice
when it sees a lot of activity, a small amount of water comes out of
the front section where the base meets the tile.I have checked the nuts
and they are tight. I assume the tile is not level and this is the
problem? Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.


If you have a wood subfloor, you should treat the water leak with great
urgency. I'd wager that a little bit of water is leaking out with each flush
(after a 'lot of activity' enough leaked water has built up to leak out from
under the toilet). Since you have tile, you will most likely find a rough
cutout around the flange (the toilet's drain hole in the floor) where some
subfloor is exposed, which will inevitably suffer from water damage.

Tile sometimes causes sealing problems because of it's thickness and
standard wax rings aren't always enough to bridge the gap between the flange
and the toilet base. Use an extra thick ring, or in an extreme case (thick
tile like travertine on top of 1/2" concrete backerboard on top of wood
subfloor) you may have to stack rings.

Well one thing you can do is ask chicks to come over to your place. Tell
them your toilet ROCKS! When you say it, hold your hand up with the
forefinger and pinky sticking up like the devil's horns sign. Chicks will
dig it.

"Oren" wrote in message
...

Install a new wax ring.

This would be roughly analogous to leveling the foundation of your house
with PlayDo.

1. Set it in a mortar bed

I would never do that. What do you do when you have to pull the toilet for
some reason (repair, reflooring, etc)?

A bead of caulk around the whole underside of the toilet should be plenty to
keep it from rocking (once you replace the wax ring, as everyone else
indicated). I like to leave a gap at the back so that if there is a leak
in the future, you'll have some indication. If the floor is so unlevel that
caulk won't make up the gap, then I'd seriously be cursing whoever laid the
floor...

-Tim

"jeffc" wrote in message
.. .

"Oren" wrote in message
...

Install a new wax ring.

This would be roughly analogous to leveling the foundation of your house
with PlayDo.

Did you read the rest of the post??

-Tim

Oh pshaw, on Thu 19 Oct 2006 10:38:02a, Oren meant to say...

On 19 Oct 2006 10:02:13 -0700, wrote:

I have a toilet set on tile. When you sit on it it moves forward a tad,
when you get off it rocks back to its resting posistion. I also notice
when it sees a lot of activity, a small amount of water comes out of
the front section where the base meets the tile.I have checked the nuts
and they are tight. I assume the tile is not level and this is the
problem? Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.

Install a new wax ring. In one case of mine I had to double the wax
ring and add two vinyl wedges to stop the "rocking" and get a good
seal.

Add to that, forcing a bead of silastic or vinyl caulk between the perimeter
of the base and the tile floor.

--
Wayne Boatwright
__________________________________________________

Double your drive space - delete Windows!

Tim Fischer wrote:
1. Set it in a mortar bed

I would never do that. What do you do when you have to pull the
toilet for some reason (repair, reflooring, etc)?

1. Remove bolt caps
2. Remove bolts
3. Lift up toilet
4. Knock off any mortar. Easiest if one has thoughtfully applied a
parting coat of whatever. Ditto on floor.


--

dadiOH
____________________________

dadiOH's dandies v3.06...
....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from
LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that.
Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico

"Tim Fischer" wrote in message
. ..

"jeffc" wrote in message
.. .

"Oren" wrote in message
...

Install a new wax ring.

This would be roughly analogous to leveling the foundation of your house
with PlayDo.

Did you read the rest of the post??

Yes, but I was responding to his part of the post. Installing a new wax
ring is irrelevant and beside the point at best.

jeffc wrote:
Well one thing you can do is ask chicks to come over to your place. Tell
them your toilet ROCKS! When you say it, hold your hand up with the
forefinger and pinky sticking up like the devil's horns sign. Chicks will
dig it.

Ok Joe Dirt...

"jeffc" wrote in message
...

Yes, but I was responding to his part of the post. Installing a new wax
ring is irrelevant and beside the point at best.

It is totally relavant. The OP said his toilet was leaking at the base.
That's a sign of a bad wax ring.

-Tim

Wayne Boatwright wrote:
Oh pshaw, on Thu 19 Oct 2006 10:38:02a, Oren meant to say...

On 19 Oct 2006 10:02:13 -0700, wrote:

I have a toilet set on tile. When you sit on it it moves forward a tad,
when you get off it rocks back to its resting posistion. I also notice
when it sees a lot of activity, a small amount of water comes out of
the front section where the base meets the tile.I have checked the nuts
and they are tight. I assume the tile is not level and this is the
problem? Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.

Install a new wax ring. In one case of mine I had to double the wax
ring and add two vinyl wedges to stop the "rocking" and get a good
seal.

Add to that, forcing a bead of silastic or vinyl caulk between the perimeter
of the base and the tile floor.

--
Wayne Boatwright

Wouldn't that prevent me from knowing if it begins to leak again?

wrote in message
ups.com...

Wouldn't that prevent me from knowing if it begins to leak again?

See my earlier post. Leave a gap at the back of the toilet, where water can
seep out and leaks can be dectected. Placing it at the back will make it
not visible.

-Tim

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:29:23 GMT, "jeffc" wrote:


"Tim Fischer" wrote in message
...

"jeffc" wrote in message
.. .

"Oren" wrote in message
...

Install a new wax ring.

This would be roughly analogous to leveling the foundation of your house
with PlayDo.

Did you read the rest of the post??

Yes, but I was responding to his part of the post. Installing a new wax
ring is irrelevant and beside the point at best.


"analogous", A N A L

Fixing a rocking toilet, in my case involved two wax rings stacked and
shims to get it to stop rocking and get it to seal correctly.. That is
what I posted. Every rocking toilet will/may not be repaired the same.
--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

"Oren" wrote in message

Fixing a rocking toilet, in my case involved two wax rings stacked and
shims to get it to stop rocking and get it to seal correctly.. That is
what I posted. Every rocking toilet will/may not be repaired the same.
--

The real solution is to stop doing what makes the toilet rock before you go
blind.

On 20 Oct 2006 10:17:41 -0700, wrote:


Wayne Boatwright wrote:
Oh pshaw, on Thu 19 Oct 2006 10:38:02a, Oren meant to say...

On 19 Oct 2006 10:02:13 -0700, wrote:

I have a toilet set on tile. When you sit on it it moves forward a tad,
when you get off it rocks back to its resting posistion. I also notice
when it sees a lot of activity, a small amount of water comes out of
the front section where the base meets the tile.I have checked the nuts
and they are tight. I assume the tile is not level and this is the
problem? Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.

Install a new wax ring. In one case of mine I had to double the wax
ring and add two vinyl wedges to stop the "rocking" and get a good
seal.

Add to that, forcing a bead of silastic or vinyl caulk between the perimeter
of the base and the tile floor.

--
Wayne Boatwright

Wouldn't that prevent me from knowing if it begins to leak again?

I caulk them any time I do a repair..never a problem. Tim's gap idea
in the back is an excellent nugget.
--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 18:08:51 GMT, "Edwin Pawlowski"
wrote:


"Oren" wrote in message

Fixing a rocking toilet, in my case involved two wax rings stacked and
shims to get it to stop rocking and get it to seal correctly.. That is
what I posted. Every rocking toilet will/may not be repaired the same.
--

The real solution is to stop doing what makes the toilet rock before you go
blind.


Touché
--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

"Oren" wrote in message
...
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:29:23 GMT, "jeffc" wrote:

Fixing a rocking toilet, in my case involved two wax rings stacked and
shims to get it to stop rocking and get it to seal correctly.. That is
what I posted. Every rocking toilet will/may not be repaired the same.

It was the shims, not the wax rings. I don't expect you to know that, but
I'm telling others listening that you're not really sure what you're talking
about.

"Tim Fischer" wrote in message
. ..

"jeffc" wrote in message
...

Yes, but I was responding to his part of the post. Installing a new wax
ring is irrelevant and beside the point at best.

It is totally relavant. The OP said his toilet was leaking at the base.
That's a sign of a bad wax ring.

That may be. The other posted implied wax rings are a cure for a rocking
toilet. I was clearing that up.

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:08:21 GMT, "jeffc" wrote:


"Oren" wrote in message
.. .
On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 15:29:23 GMT, "jeffc" wrote:

Fixing a rocking toilet, in my case involved two wax rings stacked and
shims to get it to stop rocking and get it to seal correctly.. That is
what I posted. Every rocking toilet will/may not be repaired the same.

It was the shims, not the wax rings. I don't expect you to know that, but
I'm telling others listening that you're not really sure what you're talking
about.


And you are full of ****. You don't tell anybody here what to do.
--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

On Fri, 20 Oct 2006 23:09:21 GMT, "jeffc" wrote:


"Tim Fischer" wrote in message
...

"jeffc" wrote in message
...

Yes, but I was responding to his part of the post. Installing a new wax
ring is irrelevant and beside the point at best.

It is totally relavant. The OP said his toilet was leaking at the base.
That's a sign of a bad wax ring.

That may be. The other posted implied wax rings are a cure for a rocking
toilet. I was clearing that up.

You are full of ****, wax rings are not the cure and who said that?
Frankly, I would not let you clean up my crapper. Do you clean?

--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

"Oren" wrote in message
...
It is totally relavant. The OP said his toilet was leaking at the base.
That's a sign of a bad wax ring.

That may be. The other posted implied wax rings are a cure for a rocking
toilet. I was clearing that up.

You are full of ****, wax rings are not the cure and who said that?

Apparently, you're a complete moron and it's time for you to go back in your
corner with your pointy hat. My point was, was rings are not the cure.

"Oren" wrote in message
...

It was the shims, not the wax rings. I don't expect you to know that...

And you are full of ****.

QED

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 17:02:40 GMT, "jeffc" wrote:


"Oren" wrote in message
.. .
It is totally relavant. The OP said his toilet was leaking at the base.
That's a sign of a bad wax ring.

That may be. The other posted implied wax rings are a cure for a rocking
toilet. I was clearing that up.

You are full of ****, wax rings are not the cure and who said that?

Apparently, you're a complete moron and it's time for you to go back in your
corner with your pointy hat. My point was, was rings are not the cure.


I like you better as Joe Dirt with the "bring the chicks over"
routine. I haven't seen you contribute to what the OP asked or even
offer a solution. First the wax ring is not relevant and you were
called on it since the OP had a leak. Now it is relevant, but not a
cure.

I will state this as I have befo a double wax ring and wedges fixed
my rocking toilet... not a cure for everyone.

--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

"Oren" wrote in message
...


I haven't seen you contribute to what the OP asked or even
offer a solution.

I know you haven't. That's because you're not very smart.

I will state this as I have befo a double wax ring and wedges fixed
my rocking toilet...

And I will contribute this bit of information to the OP once again. Your
double wax ring did not fix your rocking toilet. Only your wedges did.

On Sat, 21 Oct 2006 21:50:21 GMT, "jeffc" wrote:

And I will contribute this bit of information to the OP once again. Your
double wax ring did not fix your rocking toilet. Only your wedges did.

With a double wax ring I got the very important seal I needed, so I
could place the wedges and tighten things up...come on, you are smart.
--
Oren

"Well, it doesn't happen all the time, but when it happens, it happens constantly."

Sell it to a ROCK band !!!!!


On 19 Oct 2006 10:02:13 -0700, wrote:

I have a toilet set on tile. When you sit on it it moves forward a tad,
when you get off it rocks back to its resting posistion. I also notice
when it sees a lot of activity, a small amount of water comes out of
the front section where the base meets the tile.I have checked the nuts
and they are tight. I assume the tile is not level and this is the
problem? Any ideas on how to fix this? Thanks.

Ah, did not see that. Great idea!

Tim Fischer wrote:
wrote in message
ups.com...

Wouldn't that prevent me from knowing if it begins to leak again?

See my earlier post. Leave a gap at the back of the toilet, where water can
seep out and leaks can be dectected. Placing it at the back will make it
not visible.

-Tim