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Toller October 16th 06 04:11 AM

Turning off fluorescent light trip GFCI on different ?
 
I have a fluorescent light plugged into and outlet that comes BEFORE a GFCI
outlet on a circuit.
About 5% of the time I turn the light off (I have a switch leg going to that
outlet) the GFCI trips.
It only happens when I have an air filter turned on that is plugged into the
GFCI.

It is not clear to me why turning off the light would affect the GFCI coming
after it. (Yes, I do have the GFCI installed correctly; not backwards.)
Even if there was a ground fault, and I can't see why there should be one,
the GFCI wouldn't see it.

Any ideas?



Tazz October 16th 06 04:33 AM

Turning off fluorescent light trip GFCI on different ?
 
May have something to do with the starting on the ballast. Rapid start
or instant start. A ballast in a fixture is essentially a transformer.
A transformer with an inductive load.

Reference.


http://www.safeelectricity.org/results.asp?ID=213

What is nuisance tripping of a GFCI?
It takes only 5 mA (0.005 A) of current leakage from the hot wire to
the ground to cause a GFCI to trip. A small amount of leakage current
may be difficult to avoid in some normal circuits. Hand-held power
tools do not cause a tripping problem if the tool is maintained in
good condition. Some stationary motors, such as a bathroom vent fan or
fluorescent lighting fixtures, may produce enough leakage to cause
nuisance tripping. Another problem may be a long circuit with many
splices. If possible, keep GFCI circuits less than 100 feet long. To
avoid nuisance tripping, a GFCI should not supply:

Circuits longer than 100 feet
Fluorescent or other types of electric-discharge lighting fixtures
Permanently installed electric motors



On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:11:21 GMT, "Toller" wrote:

I have a fluorescent light plugged into and outlet that comes BEFORE a GFCI
outlet on a circuit.
About 5% of the time I turn the light off (I have a switch leg going to that
outlet) the GFCI trips.
It only happens when I have an air filter turned on that is plugged into the
GFCI.

It is not clear to me why turning off the light would affect the GFCI coming
after it. (Yes, I do have the GFCI installed correctly; not backwards.)
Even if there was a ground fault, and I can't see why there should be one,
the GFCI wouldn't see it.

Any ideas?


Toller October 16th 06 05:30 AM

Turning off fluorescent light trip GFCI on different ?
 
But if the light is before the GFCI, it wouldn't matter what happened to the
current going through the ballast since it wouldn't affect the GFCI. Would
it?

"Tazz" wrote in message
...
May have something to do with the starting on the ballast. Rapid start
or instant start. A ballast in a fixture is essentially a transformer.
A transformer with an inductive load.

Reference.


http://www.safeelectricity.org/results.asp?ID=213

What is nuisance tripping of a GFCI?
It takes only 5 mA (0.005 A) of current leakage from the hot wire to
the ground to cause a GFCI to trip. A small amount of leakage current
may be difficult to avoid in some normal circuits. Hand-held power
tools do not cause a tripping problem if the tool is maintained in
good condition. Some stationary motors, such as a bathroom vent fan or
fluorescent lighting fixtures, may produce enough leakage to cause
nuisance tripping. Another problem may be a long circuit with many
splices. If possible, keep GFCI circuits less than 100 feet long. To
avoid nuisance tripping, a GFCI should not supply:

Circuits longer than 100 feet
Fluorescent or other types of electric-discharge lighting fixtures
Permanently installed electric motors



On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:11:21 GMT, "Toller" wrote:

I have a fluorescent light plugged into and outlet that comes BEFORE a
GFCI
outlet on a circuit.
About 5% of the time I turn the light off (I have a switch leg going to
that
outlet) the GFCI trips.
It only happens when I have an air filter turned on that is plugged into
the
GFCI.

It is not clear to me why turning off the light would affect the GFCI
coming
after it. (Yes, I do have the GFCI installed correctly; not backwards.)
Even if there was a ground fault, and I can't see why there should be one,
the GFCI wouldn't see it.

Any ideas?




Tazz October 16th 06 02:05 PM

Turning off fluorescent light trip GFCI on different ?
 

I have seen it before.

Even having the lighting on the line side or anywhere in the circuit
it can cause the ground fault to trip

I would suspect loose wring or somewhere there is leakage from the
grouding and grounded conductor.

Are the light fixtures grounded?


On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 04:30:22 GMT, "Toller" wrote:

But if the light is before the GFCI, it wouldn't matter what happened to the
current going through the ballast since it wouldn't affect the GFCI. Would
it?

"Tazz" wrote in message
.. .
May have something to do with the starting on the ballast. Rapid start
or instant start. A ballast in a fixture is essentially a transformer.
A transformer with an inductive load.

Reference.


http://www.safeelectricity.org/results.asp?ID=213

What is nuisance tripping of a GFCI?
It takes only 5 mA (0.005 A) of current leakage from the hot wire to
the ground to cause a GFCI to trip. A small amount of leakage current
may be difficult to avoid in some normal circuits. Hand-held power
tools do not cause a tripping problem if the tool is maintained in
good condition. Some stationary motors, such as a bathroom vent fan or
fluorescent lighting fixtures, may produce enough leakage to cause
nuisance tripping. Another problem may be a long circuit with many
splices. If possible, keep GFCI circuits less than 100 feet long. To
avoid nuisance tripping, a GFCI should not supply:

Circuits longer than 100 feet
Fluorescent or other types of electric-discharge lighting fixtures
Permanently installed electric motors



On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 03:11:21 GMT, "Toller" wrote:

I have a fluorescent light plugged into and outlet that comes BEFORE a
GFCI
outlet on a circuit.
About 5% of the time I turn the light off (I have a switch leg going to
that
outlet) the GFCI trips.
It only happens when I have an air filter turned on that is plugged into
the
GFCI.

It is not clear to me why turning off the light would affect the GFCI
coming
after it. (Yes, I do have the GFCI installed correctly; not backwards.)
Even if there was a ground fault, and I can't see why there should be one,
the GFCI wouldn't see it.

Any ideas?



[email protected] October 16th 06 02:34 PM

Turning off fluorescent light trip GFCI on different ?
 
try replacing GFCI it may be overly sensitive. I tossed one that
nuisance tripped too ofet, its replacement has been fine


Myxylplyk October 16th 06 03:03 PM

Turning off fluorescent light trip GFCI on different ?
 
ANY flux on the common leg of the curcuit will cause the GFCI to trip down
stream,
assuming you have them wired in series.

"Toller" wrote in message
...
I have a fluorescent light plugged into and outlet that comes BEFORE a GFCI
outlet on a circuit.
About 5% of the time I turn the light off (I have a switch leg going to
that outlet) the GFCI trips.
It only happens when I have an air filter turned on that is plugged into
the GFCI.

It is not clear to me why turning off the light would affect the GFCI
coming after it. (Yes, I do have the GFCI installed correctly; not
backwards.) Even if there was a ground fault, and I can't see why there
should be one, the GFCI wouldn't see it.

Any ideas?





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