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flooring / how big is 20 squares (metres)?
Hi all,
I have been looking at a house, they are quoting it as 20 metres/or 20 sqaures. I always get confused how this is calculated for the purposes of changing the floor. It is a decent size single storey house, lounge room is 5m x 5m, 3 bedrooms 3x3, kitchen plus 2 bathrooms. Are the hallways and bathroom/kitchen included in that 20? Can anyone shed light on how these realtors work? Thanks! |
flooring / how big is 20 squares (metres)?
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 06:15:35 GMT, "ODB" wrote:
Hi all, I have been looking at a house, they are quoting it as 20 metres/or 20 sqaures. I always get confused how this is calculated for the purposes of changing the floor. It is a decent size single storey house, lounge room is 5m x 5m, 3 bedrooms 3x3, kitchen plus 2 bathrooms. Are the hallways and bathroom/kitchen included in that 20? Can anyone shed light on how these realtors work? Thanks! Put it in English (American) measurements and maybe one of us can help you. Metrics dont work for construction, and floor tiles come in 12 INCH (one foot) squares. I suppose in metric countries the tiles are 277.23095433333333cm or 34086.92100673476094573377784mm or some such nonsense. You said your room is 5m x 5m. Is that 5 miles by 5 miles or what? Thats a huge room. Oh wait, that might be 5metrics by 5 metrics. Either move to America or toss your metric rulers in the garbage and go back to measuring with your FOOT (the one on the bottom of your leg). If all else fails, a dollar bill is 6 inches long, use that to measure.... Oh wait, you dont have dollar bills you probably have pounds, which makes no sense at all because there is no dollar bill that weighs anywhere near a pound. You can learn how to read a ruler HE http://www.woodzone.com/articles/Read_A_Ruler.htm My ancestors moved to America to avoid goddamn metrics. |
flooring / how big is 20 squares (metres)?
ODB wrote:
Hi all, I have been looking at a house, they are quoting it as 20 metres/or 20 sqaures. I always get confused how this is calculated for the purposes of changing the floor. It is a decent size single storey house, lounge room is 5m x 5m, 3 bedrooms 3x3, kitchen plus 2 bathrooms. 5m x 5m is 25 sq meters 3m x 3m is 9 sq meters So you would have a total of 52 sq meters. Also be sure to allow for waste and for the two bathrooms. Are the hallways and bathroom/kitchen included in that 20? Can anyone shed light on how these realtors work? Thanks! -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
flooring / how big is 20 squares (metres)?
ODB wrote: Hi all, I have been looking at a house, they are quoting it as 20 metres/or 20 sqaures. I always get confused how this is calculated for the purposes of changing the floor. It is a decent size single storey house, lounge room is 5m x 5m, 3 bedrooms 3x3, kitchen plus 2 bathrooms. Are the hallways and bathroom/kitchen included in that 20? Can anyone shed light on how these realtors work? Realtors could either add internal area of each room or just take perimeter of house. Area should only include heated space which means unheated basements and garages are excluded. Either way, don't believe realtors! Look around and compare. What size rooms suit you. What you have described is small by American standards but might be big in UK. Frank |
flooring / how big is 20 squares (metres)?
"ODB" wrote in
: Hi all, I have been looking at a house, they are quoting it as 20 metres/or 20 sqaures. I always get confused how this is calculated for the purposes of changing the floor. It is a decent size single storey house, lounge room is 5m x 5m, 3 bedrooms 3x3, kitchen plus 2 bathrooms. Are the hallways and bathroom/kitchen included in that 20? Can anyone shed light on how these realtors work? Thanks! I take it you are in Australia and the metric system is used there? Many of us are in the U.S. and are unfamiliar with how these items are sold there. Decades ago, there was a push to convert to metric here. Boy I wish they did it but that fell through. For the US, vinyl and carpet are sold by the square yard but it is not just a raw calculation. Waste is generated depending on say the vinyl pattern. With carpet, it has to be laid direction matching. Minimizing piecing can generate lots of waste but makes a nice job. You didn't ask about it but maybe of use. Roof covering is sold by the square. A square is 100 square feet. But the bundles here are 1/3 of a square which means 3 bundles to the square. Google has a nice conversion feature where in the search bar you put in somewhat natural language and it does the conversion. Not sure if this will help you. But I'm bet a lot of people will see this and think holy ****. That's cool :-) Input: 25 square meters to square yards Result: 25 (square meters) = 29.8997512 square yards http://i10.tinypic.com/2dr984y.jpg Input: 750 ml to quarts Result: 750 ml = 0.792516154 US quarts |
flooring / how big is 20 squares (metres)?
ODB wrote:
Hi all, I have been looking at a house, they are quoting it as 20 metres/or 20 sqaures. I always get confused how this is calculated for the purposes of changing the floor. It is a decent size single storey house, lounge room is 5m x 5m, 3 bedrooms 3x3, kitchen plus 2 bathrooms. Are the hallways and bathroom/kitchen included in that 20? Can anyone shed light on how these realtors work? Thanks! Sorry I missed the second part of your question. I see it has been properly answered. -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
flooring / how big is 20 squares (metres)?
In the US, the size of a house in calculated by measuring the outside
of the exterior walls, so when we say a house is 2,000 square feet, we're referring to the "footprint" of the house. The second floor is measured the same way, but we don't include stairs or spaces that open up to the ground floor. If your house is 20 square meters, that measurement probably includes the space taken up by the walls, closets, halls, baths, etc. For flooring, you probably need to measure the individual rooms and then add a waste factor, usually about 10% (more or less for different flooring types). This type of calculation is much simpler if you convert everything to yards, feet, and inches and do your calculations using mirror images of Roman numerals. did you hear about the Viagra shipment that was hijacked? the police are looking for hardened criminals.... ODB wrote: Hi all, I have been looking at a house, they are quoting it as 20 metres/or 20 sqaures. I always get confused how this is calculated for the purposes of changing the floor. It is a decent size single storey house, lounge room is 5m x 5m, 3 bedrooms 3x3, kitchen plus 2 bathrooms. Are the hallways and bathroom/kitchen included in that 20? Can anyone shed light on how these realtors work? Thanks! |
flooring / how big is 20 squares (metres)?
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 06:15:35 GMT, "ODB" wrote:
Hi all, I have been looking at a house, they are quoting it as 20 metres/or 20 sqaures. I always get confused how this is calculated for the purposes of changing the floor. It is a decent size single storey house, lounge room is 5m x 5m, 3 bedrooms 3x3, kitchen plus 2 bathrooms. Are the hallways and bathroom/kitchen included in that 20? Can anyone shed light on how these realtors work? Thanks! In Australia before the 1960s it was common to quote the size of a house in "squares" . I thought that this definition had long ago disappeared. One "square" was equivalent to 100 square feet. A house of 20 "squares" was 2000 square feet. Since this country converted to the metric system of measurement a long, long time ago, the area should be quoted in square meters. To convert square feet to square metres multiply by .093 20 "squares" = 2000 square feet = 186 square metres. A reasonably sized 3 bedroom house. The average size house in Australia has gone from 130 sq metres in 1970 to about 220 sq metres today. I suggest that you get your real estate people to quote in square meters only. If you need to get any tradesmen in to do any work, or you need to get the place surveyed, or you need to inform your bank to secure a mortgage, they will all work in square meters. |
flooring / how big is 20 squares (metres)?
You didn't ask about it but maybe of use. Roof covering is sold by the square. A square is 100 square feet. But the bundles here are 1/3 of a square which means 3 bundles to the square. Except that architectural shingle are frequently sold at 4 bundles per square to keep the weight per bundle to a reasonable figure. |
flooring / how big is 20 squares (metres)?
ODB wrote:
Hi all, I have been looking at a house, they are quoting it as 20 metres/or 20 sqaures. I always get confused how this is calculated for the purposes of changing the floor. It is a decent size single storey house, lounge room is 5m x 5m, 3 bedrooms 3x3, kitchen plus 2 bathrooms. Are the hallways and bathroom/kitchen included in that 20? Can anyone shed light on how these realtors work? Thanks! Really, the safest thing to do is to ask a local realtor what the local law (or custom) dictates for such measurements and to try to get the answer in writing. I puzzled for a bit and came to no firm conclusions about what the 20 squares might mean. Clearly the lounge at 5 X 5 covers 25 square meters so the fallback (as I imagine it anyway) is that the area of the home is listed as equivalent to a 20 X 20 square or 400 square meters and that would suggest a very generously dimensioned home for three bedrooms (3600 square feet for the metrically obtuse reader). Locally in the US there seems to be two schools of thought on what area measurements really mean, perhaps more if you get into rounding procedures. Most realtors will simply say that the area they quote is "finished" space but that is vague enough to allow many interpretations. Does it mean the sum of the areas of all rooms? Where does that leave the hallways and closets and such? Is it the area derived from outside measurements? Where does that leave the area covered by all of the inside and outside walls? As if buying a home wasn't confusing enough... -- John McGaw [Knoxville, TN, USA] http://johnmcgaw.com |
flooring / how big is 20 squares (metres)?
Avery wrote:
On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 06:15:35 GMT, "ODB" wrote: Hi all, I have been looking at a house, they are quoting it as 20 metres/or 20 sqaures. I always get confused how this is calculated for the purposes of changing the floor. It is a decent size single storey house, lounge room is 5m x 5m, 3 bedrooms 3x3, kitchen plus 2 bathrooms. Are the hallways and bathroom/kitchen included in that 20? Can anyone shed light on how these realtors work? Thanks! In Australia before the 1960s it was common to quote the size of a house in "squares" . I thought that this definition had long ago disappeared. One "square" was equivalent to 100 square feet. A house of 20 "squares" was 2000 square feet. Since this country converted to the metric system of measurement a long, long time ago, the area should be quoted in square meters. To convert square feet to square metres multiply by .093 20 "squares" = 2000 square feet = 186 square metres. A reasonably sized 3 bedroom house. The average size house in Australia has gone from 130 sq metres in 1970 to about 220 sq metres today. I suggest that you get your real estate people to quote in square meters only. If you need to get any tradesmen in to do any work, or you need to get the place surveyed, or you need to inform your bank to secure a mortgage, they will all work in square meters. Yeah, that sounds a _lot_ more likely that my idea of it being equivalent to 400 square meters and which seems far more likely for a 3-bedroom house. Funny thing is that this "square" measure is still used in the US for exactly one purpose that I can think of: measuring the area of a roof for materials (X bundles of shingles covers a square). I just went through the trouble and expense of re-roofing my house this spring and that definition should have stayed with me considering the amount of financial pain involved. -- John McGaw [Knoxville, TN, USA] http://johnmcgaw.com |
flooring / how big is 20 squares (metres)?
On Mon, 16 Oct 2006 12:38:56 -0400, John McGaw
wrote: Avery wrote: On Sun, 15 Oct 2006 06:15:35 GMT, "ODB" wrote: Hi all, I have been looking at a house, they are quoting it as 20 metres/or 20 sqaures. I always get confused how this is calculated for the purposes of changing the floor. It is a decent size single storey house, lounge room is 5m x 5m, 3 bedrooms 3x3, kitchen plus 2 bathrooms. Are the hallways and bathroom/kitchen included in that 20? Can anyone shed light on how these realtors work? Thanks! In Australia before the 1960s it was common to quote the size of a house in "squares" . I thought that this definition had long ago disappeared. One "square" was equivalent to 100 square feet. A house of 20 "squares" was 2000 square feet. Since this country converted to the metric system of measurement a long, long time ago, the area should be quoted in square meters. To convert square feet to square metres multiply by .093 20 "squares" = 2000 square feet = 186 square metres. A reasonably sized 3 bedroom house. The average size house in Australia has gone from 130 sq metres in 1970 to about 220 sq metres today. I suggest that you get your real estate people to quote in square meters only. If you need to get any tradesmen in to do any work, or you need to get the place surveyed, or you need to inform your bank to secure a mortgage, they will all work in square meters. Yeah, that sounds a _lot_ more likely that my idea of it being equivalent to 400 square meters and which seems far more likely for a 3-bedroom house. Funny thing is that this "square" measure is still used in the US for exactly one purpose that I can think of: measuring the area of a roof for materials (X bundles of shingles covers a square). I just went through the trouble and expense of re-roofing my house this spring and that definition should have stayed with me considering the amount of financial pain involved. The term "squares" pertaining to houses actually dates back quite along time and was probably first used in Britain (where else?) It was based on the idea that the average room in the average house was 10ft x 10 ft. Of course this did not always translate to other places, such as Australia, where houses quickly became larger. The practice of quoting house size using this somewhat archaic measure still persists. Many of the real estate web sites still use it. It is stupid, confusing and probably technically illegal since the conversion to the metric system. |
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Goedjn wrote in
: You didn't ask about it but maybe of use. Roof covering is sold by the square. A square is 100 square feet. But the bundles here are 1/3 of a square which means 3 bundles to the square. Except that architectural shingle are frequently sold at 4 bundles per square to keep the weight per bundle to a reasonable figure. Never looked at them. Thanks for that tidbit. |
flooring / how big is 20 squares (metres)?
Why do people make life difficult for themselves! The metric system was
adopted in Australia in the 1960's to simplify awkward old British Imperial systems of measurement & currency. The term 'square' belongs to the British Imperial system, and as correctly described by Avery above, 1 'square = 100 square feet. Therefore, it has no correlation to the metric system in Australia or for that matter any other metricated society, unless one reaches for their abacus and calculates that the conversion of 20 'squares amounts to 186m2. So what does that achieve? Wouldn't sticking with square metres be less confusing and time consuming? Me thinks that the term lingers on in Australia to confuse the consumer who in most cases wouldn't know a 'square' from a 'round' and consequently the charge of a service based on an outdated Imperial measurement such as a 'square'. Bazza Bazza |
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Joseph Meehan ) said...
Lets see 10mm = 1cm etc. Or 12 inches = 1 foot, 3 foot = 1 yard 1753.33 yards = 1 statue mile (nautical miles are different) how many acres in a sq mile? add in rods, oz, pounds, quarts etc. What an illogical mess. .... and don't forget that a "hundredweight" is 114 pounds! If one needs a simple rule-of-thumb conversion in order to get an idea of what a metric area is, there are about 10 square feet in a square metre (it is actually 10.7584, but 10 is easy for a ball park figure). -- Calvin Henry-Cotnam "I really think Canada should get over to Iraq as quickly as possible" - Paul Martin - April 30, 2003 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- NOTE: if replying by email, remove "remove." and ".invalid" -- Posted via a free Usenet account from http://www.teranews.com |
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replying to Joseph Meehan, Chelle Snl wrote:
Well said . Thought Notta was plain rude. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...es-156357-.htm |
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On 8/5/2017 7:14 AM, Chelle Snl wrote:
replying to Joseph Meehan, Chelle Snl wrote: Well said . Thought Notta was plain rude. Agree, he was rude. For that reason we have not allowed him to post here for the past 11 years. He will post again stating in 2019. He will also have to do public service as the gerbil farm caring for the 700 gerbils born each month. |
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On Saturday, August 5, 2017 at 8:23:57 AM UTC-5, Ed Pawlowski wrote:
On 8/5/2017 7:14 AM, Chelle Snl wrote: replying to Joseph Meehan, Chelle Snl wrote: Well said . Thought Notta was plain rude. Agree, he was rude. For that reason we have not allowed him to post here for the past 11 years. He will post again stating in 2019. He will also have to do public service as the gerbil farm caring for the 700 gerbils born each month. You didn't pay the rent on your gerbils this month. ヽ(ヅ)ノ [8~{} Uncle Rented Monster |
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replying to notta, John wrote:
Just FYI. This guy is your block head american. America and like one after 3 world african country are the only countries in the world that don't use the metric system, it's understandable though. There are plenty of uneducated morons working there. The biggest construction companies on the planet use metric, and guess what, their not from America but they build 3/4 of america's infrastructure. American's can stay with their complicated retarded system, and their guns. Who needs them. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...es-156357-.htm |
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replying to John, Bob G wrote:
Since you are not in the US, the system must be working well. It keep the riff raff out. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...es-156357-.htm |
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John posted for all of us...
replying to notta, John wrote: Just FYI. This guy is your block head american. America and like one after 3 world african country are the only countries in the world that don't use the metric system, it's understandable though. There are plenty of uneducated morons working there. The biggest construction companies on the planet use metric, and guess what, their not from America but they build 3/4 of america's infrastructure. American's can stay with their complicated retarded system, and their guns. Who needs them. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...es-156357-.htm What was the metric system founded on? Non-repeatable guess'. US was established on repeatable measurements. -- Tekkie |
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On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 14:14:02 +0000, Bob G
m wrote: replying to John, Bob G wrote: Since you are not in the US, the system must be working well. It keep the riff raff out. I find it interesting that he admits our system is too complicated for third world people like him. |
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On Wed, 14 Aug 2019 15:33:50 -0400, Tekkie®
wrote: John posted for all of us... replying to notta, John wrote: Just FYI. This guy is your block head american. America and like one after 3 world african country are the only countries in the world that don't use the metric system, it's understandable though. There are plenty of uneducated morons working there. The biggest construction companies on the planet use metric, and guess what, their not from America but they build 3/4 of america's infrastructure. American's can stay with their complicated retarded system, and their guns. Who needs them. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...es-156357-.htm What was the metric system founded on? Non-repeatable guess'. US was established on repeatable measurements. US was based on the BRITISH system of weights and measures at the time - but the 'mericans couldn't hold as much likker or ale as the Brits - so they had to make their pint smaller - and along with that, their quart and gallon. |
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