I recently purchased a (new construction) vacation home and it came with
a SC oven. I've never bothered to buy myself one of these so I was
unfamiliar.

I attempted to use it the other evening and quickly became sick from the
fumes even though I had opened windows. After doing very little reading
(about small birds dying etc), I quickly realized super heating the
Teflon in an oven (or any teflon) to save oneself the trouble of
getting in there and cleaning it is not worth the potential harm to me
or guests.

Anyone is better off not using this feature if you happen to have it.
The chemicals can also be absorbed in upholstery and carpeting etc and
then later absorbed through the skin.

Like cell phones and computers and microwaves, these types of ovens have
only been around for a relatively short period of time. Don't be a lab
rat for future generations.. As a further precaution, I'd recommend not
cooking over 350 in it either..

CP

Charles Pisano wrote:
I recently purchased a (new construction) vacation home and it came with
a SC oven. I've never bothered to buy myself one of these so I was
unfamiliar.

I attempted to use it the other evening and quickly became sick from the
fumes even though I had opened windows. After doing very little reading
(about small birds dying etc), I quickly realized super heating the
Teflon in an oven (or any teflon) to save oneself the trouble of
getting in there and cleaning it is not worth the potential harm to me
or guests.

Anyone is better off not using this feature if you happen to have it.
The chemicals can also be absorbed in upholstery and carpeting etc and
then later absorbed through the skin.

Like cell phones and computers and microwaves, these types of ovens have
only been around for a relatively short period of time. Don't be a lab
rat for future generations.. As a further precaution, I'd recommend not
cooking over 350 in it either..

CP

You are supposed to kill the bird BEFORE you put it in the oven.

At the risk of feeding a troll, I'm going to respond.
After some quick research (http://www.omega.com/techref/fluoro.html)
I'm going to say you're mistaken:
Teflon doesn't burn until at least 500 degrees fahrenheit, which is
hotter than most ovens go, except when cleaning, and then it goes to
557 degrees or so. The few instructions on using a self-cleaning oven
I've seen state that you should remove everything from the oven before
you begin the self-cleaning process.

Yes, Teflon will burn on a cooktop, because burners get hotter than
ovens to, but again, instructions state that you should not leave empty
cookware on active cooktops.

As to the rest of your stuff, you do know that microwave ovens have
been around since the 1940s, right? And that in a properly used
microwave oven, no microwaves escape?

And for mobile phones, they were around in the 1940s as well, and only
became "cellular" when phone companies wanted to reuse the phone
frequencies, so broke urban areas into "cells".

Here are some Teflon and related links that should illustrate my point:
http://www.stanford.edu/dept/hds/shs...an-cycle-2.pdf
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teflon

So in short, you're allowing yourself to be used to spread baseless
FUD. You probably have more to worry about in ingesting the aluminum
content in your teflon-coated cookware than Teflon itself.

-Nathan

Charles Pisano wrote:
I recently purchased a (new construction) vacation home and it came with
a SC oven. I've never bothered to buy myself one of these so I was
unfamiliar.

I attempted to use it the other evening and quickly became sick from the
fumes even though I had opened windows. After doing very little reading
(about small birds dying etc), I quickly realized super heating the
Teflon in an oven (or any teflon) to save oneself the trouble of
getting in there and cleaning it is not worth the potential harm to me
or guests.

Anyone is better off not using this feature if you happen to have it.
The chemicals can also be absorbed in upholstery and carpeting etc and
then later absorbed through the skin.

Like cell phones and computers and microwaves, these types of ovens have
only been around for a relatively short period of time. Don't be a lab
rat for future generations.. As a further precaution, I'd recommend not
cooking over 350 in it either..

CP

Ah...!

"Charles Pisano" wrote in message
I attempted to use it the other evening and quickly became sick from the
fumes even though I had opened windows. After doing very little reading
(about small birds dying etc), I quickly realized super heating the
Teflon in an oven (or any teflon) to save oneself the trouble of
getting in there and cleaning it is not worth the potential harm to me
or guests.

As a further precaution, I'd recommend not
cooking over 350 in it either..

As a further precaution, I'd recommend you educate yourself. Self cleaning
ovens are NOT coated with Teflon. Yes, the gunk in hte bottom will burn and
stink, but it is NOT Teflon so your don't have a clue about cooking in them.

It's been known for a long time that super-heating teflon produces toxic
particles & gases. I can't see why they'd line a pyro oven with this!

http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Tef...cosisAug03.htm

"Charles Pisano" wrote in message
...
I recently purchased a (new construction) vacation home and it came with
a SC oven. I've never bothered to buy myself one of these so I was
unfamiliar.

I attempted to use it the other evening and quickly became sick from the
fumes even though I had opened windows. After doing very little reading
(about small birds dying etc), I quickly realized super heating the
Teflon in an oven (or any teflon) to save oneself the trouble of
getting in there and cleaning it is not worth the potential harm to me
or guests.

Anyone is better off not using this feature if you happen to have it.
The chemicals can also be absorbed in upholstery and carpeting etc and
then later absorbed through the skin.

Like cell phones and computers and microwaves, these types of ovens have
only been around for a relatively short period of time. Don't be a lab
rat for future generations.. As a further precaution, I'd recommend not
cooking over 350 in it either..

CP

According to Charles Pisano :
I attempted to use it the other evening and quickly became sick from the
fumes even though I had opened windows. After doing very little reading
(about small birds dying etc), I quickly realized super heating the
Teflon in an oven (or any teflon) to save oneself the trouble of
getting in there and cleaning it is not worth the potential harm to me
or guests.

_What_ "teflon in an oven"?

There is no teflon in ovens. What you may think is teflon is an enamel
coating which is designed for the temperatures of self-cleaning.

There's only teflon in an oven if you leave a non-stick pan in it.

Which you aren't supposed to do if you read the instructions.
--
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.

Charles Pisano wrote:
I recently purchased a (new construction) vacation home and it came with
a SC oven. I've never bothered to buy myself one of these so I was
unfamiliar.

I attempted to use it the other evening and quickly became sick from the
fumes even though I had opened windows. After doing very little reading
(about small birds dying etc), I quickly realized super heating the
Teflon in an oven (or any teflon) to save oneself the trouble of
getting in there and cleaning it is not worth the potential harm to me
or guests.

Anyone is better off not using this feature if you happen to have it.
The chemicals can also be absorbed in upholstery and carpeting etc and
then later absorbed through the skin.

Like cell phones and computers and microwaves, these types of ovens have
only been around for a relatively short period of time. Don't be a lab
rat for future generations.. As a further precaution, I'd recommend not
cooking over 350 in it either..

Pyrolysis products whether from Teflon or other organic materials will
kill birds because of their very high respiratory rate. That's why
they used to use canaries to detect poison gas in mines. Pyrolyzed
Teflon will give you "polymer fume fever" which is flu like symptoms
that go away.
Your supposed to use you oven vent or fume hood, whatever. My wife
often forgets when cooking and often tests the smoke alarms
Frank

Charles Pisano wrote:
I recently purchased a (new construction) vacation home and it came with
a SC oven. I've never bothered to buy myself one of these so I was
unfamiliar.

I attempted to use it the other evening and quickly became sick from the
fumes even though I had opened windows. After doing very little reading
(about small birds dying etc), I quickly realized super heating the
Teflon in an oven (or any teflon) to save oneself the trouble of
getting in there and cleaning it is not worth the potential harm to me
or guests.

Anyone is better off not using this feature if you happen to have it.
The chemicals can also be absorbed in upholstery and carpeting etc and
then later absorbed through the skin.

Like cell phones and computers and microwaves, these types of ovens have
only been around for a relatively short period of time. Don't be a lab
rat for future generations.. As a further precaution, I'd recommend not
cooking over 350 in it either..

Or drinking diet coke, or going outside while its raining, or taking
virtually any chances in life. Live in a bomb shelter and have a happy
fruitful life full of emotions!! Yay! Sign me up!!

Charles Pisano wrote:
I recently purchased a (new construction) vacation home and it came with
a SC oven. I've never bothered to buy myself one of these so I was
unfamiliar.

I attempted to use it the other evening and quickly became sick from the
fumes even though I had opened windows. After doing very little reading
(about small birds dying etc), I quickly realized super heating the
Teflon in an oven (or any teflon) to save oneself the trouble of
getting in there and cleaning it is not worth the potential harm to me
or guests.

Anyone is better off not using this feature if you happen to have it.
The chemicals can also be absorbed in upholstery and carpeting etc and
then later absorbed through the skin.

Like cell phones and computers and microwaves, these types of ovens have
only been around for a relatively short period of time. Don't be a lab
rat for future generations.. As a further precaution, I'd recommend not
cooking over 350 in it either..

Its sad but some humans are as dumb as they come. I'm betting you
graduated from HS in the 70"s


CP

"Jack" wrote in message
ups.com...

Charles Pisano wrote:
I recently purchased a (new construction) vacation home and it came with
a SC oven. I've never bothered to buy myself one of these so I was
unfamiliar.

I attempted to use it the other evening and quickly became sick from the
fumes even though I had opened windows. After doing very little reading
(about small birds dying etc), I quickly realized super heating the
Teflon in an oven (or any teflon) to save oneself the trouble of
getting in there and cleaning it is not worth the potential harm to me
or guests.

Anyone is better off not using this feature if you happen to have it.
The chemicals can also be absorbed in upholstery and carpeting etc and
then later absorbed through the skin.

Like cell phones and computers and microwaves, these types of ovens have
only been around for a relatively short period of time. Don't be a lab
rat for future generations.. As a further precaution, I'd recommend not
cooking over 350 in it either..

Its sad but some humans are as dumb as they come. I'm betting you
graduated from HS in the 70"s


CP


What is it about people and the need for an enemy in their life. From the
Wikipedia

"While Teflon itself is chemically inert and non-toxic, Teflon begins to
deteriorate after the temperature of cookware reaches about 500 °F (260 °C),
and begins to significantly decompose above 660 °F (350 °C). These
degradation products can be lethal to birds, and can cause flu-like symptoms
in humans (see Teflon flu). By comparison, cooking fats, oils and butter
will begin to scorch and smoke at about 392 °F (200 °C), and meat is usually
fried between 400-450 °F (200-230 °C), but empty cookware can exceed this
temperature if left unattended on a hot burner. A 1959 study, conducted
before the FDA approved the material for use in food processing equipment,
showed that the toxicity of fumes given off by the coated pan on dry heating
was less than that of fumes given off by ordinary cooking oils.[5]
A 1973 study confirmed the FDA findings and found that a 4-hour exposure to
the pyrolysis products of butter in an uncoated pan at 260°C were 100% toxic
to parakeets, whereas no deaths were observed for exposure to Teflon
pyrolysis products until the Teflon coated pan was heated to 280 °C.[6] Over
the 40 years non-stick cookware has been in widespread use, there is only
one published case of a minor, short-lasting health effect in humans linked
to overheating non-stick cookware.[7]"

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Charles Pisano" wrote in message
I attempted to use it the other evening and quickly became sick from the
fumes even though I had opened windows. After doing very little reading
(about small birds dying etc), I quickly realized super heating the
Teflon in an oven (or any teflon) to save oneself the trouble of
getting in there and cleaning it is not worth the potential harm to me
or guests.

As a further precaution, I'd recommend not
cooking over 350 in it either..

As a further precaution, I'd recommend you educate yourself. Self cleaning
ovens are NOT coated with Teflon. Yes, the gunk in hte bottom will burn and
stink, but it is NOT Teflon so your don't have a clue about cooking in them.

I've never bought a new oven (how sad is that) but I wonder if they
don't coat them with wax or oil to keep them nice and shiny until
they're installed. Maybe it was just something like that burning off.

According to Pat :

I've never bought a new oven (how sad is that) but I wonder if they
don't coat them with wax or oil to keep them nice and shiny until
they're installed. Maybe it was just something like that burning off.

Why would they do that? Most times you don't see the thing until
it's installed. Wax or oil would cause a major stench even
without self-clean.

As have the occasional time where disgruntled employees in the
factory have smeared the insides of a oven with soap. Doesn't
need self-clean to produce incredibly noxious smelling smoke.

I may recall incorrectly, but didn't he say that he'd not used
the self-clean for three years? If you start with a very dirty
oven (eg: lots of broiled steaks) and self-clean, it'll also be
pretty noxious as the spatter burns off.

We run ours about once a year. With all the windows open
and the vent going. Sometimes sets off the smoke detectors.
--
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.

In article ,
Charles Pisano wrote:
I recently purchased a (new construction) vacation home and it came with
a SC oven. I've never bothered to buy myself one of these so I was
unfamiliar.

I attempted to use it the other evening and quickly became sick from the
fumes even though I had opened windows. After doing very little reading
(about small birds dying etc), I quickly realized super heating the
Teflon in an oven (or any teflon) to save oneself the trouble of
getting in there and cleaning it is not worth the potential harm to me
or guests.

Anyone is better off not using this feature if you happen to have it.
The chemicals can also be absorbed in upholstery and carpeting etc and
then later absorbed through the skin.

Like cell phones and computers and microwaves, these types of ovens have
only been around for a relatively short period of time. Don't be a lab
rat for future generations.. As a further precaution, I'd recommend not
cooking over 350 in it either..

CP


I don't know about teflon in an oven, but self cleaning ovens with the
usual enameled finish have been around for at least 20 years.


--

Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland

On 15 Sep 2006 11:46:17 -0700, "nhurst" wrote:



And for mobile phones, they were around in the 1940s as well, and only
became "cellular" when phone companies wanted to reuse the phone
frequencies, so broke urban areas into "cells".

In the 40's through 80's and maybe a bit longer -- certainly longer
for most people -- the transmitting antenna wasn't held an inch from
one's brain.

Chris Lewis wrote:
According to Pat :

I've never bought a new oven (how sad is that) but I wonder if they
don't coat them with wax or oil to keep them nice and shiny until
they're installed. Maybe it was just something like that burning off.

Why would they do that? Most times you don't see the thing until
it's installed. Wax or oil would cause a major stench even
without self-clean.

As have the occasional time where disgruntled employees in the
factory have smeared the insides of a oven with soap. Doesn't
need self-clean to produce incredibly noxious smelling smoke.

I may recall incorrectly, but didn't he say that he'd not used
the self-clean for three years?

"I recently purchased a (new construction) vacation home"

If you start with a very dirty
oven (eg: lots of broiled steaks) and self-clean, it'll also be
pretty noxious as the spatter burns off.

We run ours about once a year. With all the windows open
and the vent going. Sometimes sets off the smoke detectors.
--
Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est
It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them.

I don't know about teflon in an oven, but self cleaning ovens with the
usual enameled finish have been around for at least 20 years.


--

Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland





The only way teflon gets into an oven is if you put it there. The OP
is either completely stupid or a troll.

Frank wrote:
Charles Pisano wrote:

Your supposed to use you oven vent or fume hood, whatever. My wife
often forgets when cooking and often tests the smoke alarms
Frank


When the smoke alarm sounds, that is the signal that supper is ready.

Eigenvector wrote:


What is it about people and the need for an enemy in their life. From the
Wikipedia

[...]

"The True Believer" by Eric Hoffer.
1. People mind their own business when it is worth minding. When it's not,
they take their mind off their own meaningless affairs by minding other
people's business.
2. Membership in mass movements is interchangeble - the goals of the
movement are irrelevant.
3. People join mass movements to give their own pitiful existence meaning.
4. The less secure one is in his own beliefs, the more credence he
attributes to his holy cause.

A contribution by a mentor of mine:

"I don't care, nor do I want to hear about, what you 'believe.' The only
thing that counts is what can your prove."

And my own contribution:

Many don't let the facts interfere with their feelings.

There is no doubt that the world would be objectively better off with
asbestos, DDT, lead-based paint, etc., but for people with not much else to
do.

mm wrote:
On 15 Sep 2006 11:46:17 -0700, "nhurst" wrote:



And for mobile phones, they were around in the 1940s as well, and only
became "cellular" when phone companies wanted to reuse the phone
frequencies, so broke urban areas into "cells".

In the 40's through 80's and maybe a bit longer -- certainly longer
for most people -- the transmitting antenna wasn't held an inch from
one's brain.

While true, they were also broadcasting at a much higher signal
strength. IIRC your cell phones today are measured in milliwatts. The
older ones were measured in watts.

So while it's closer, the intensity is much lower.

-Nathan

(Charles Pisano) wrote in news:2094-450AEACC-
:

I recently purchased a (new construction) vacation home and it came with
a SC oven. I've never bothered to buy myself one of these so I was
unfamiliar.

I attempted to use it the other evening and quickly became sick from the
fumes even though I had opened windows. After doing very little reading
(about small birds dying etc), I quickly realized super heating the
Teflon in an oven (or any teflon) to save oneself the trouble of
getting in there and cleaning it is not worth the potential harm to me
or guests.

Anyone is better off not using this feature if you happen to have it.
The chemicals can also be absorbed in upholstery and carpeting etc and
then later absorbed through the skin.

Like cell phones and computers and microwaves, these types of ovens have
only been around for a relatively short period of time. Don't be a lab
rat for future generations.. As a further precaution, I'd recommend not
cooking over 350 in it either..

CP


What teflon is there inside an oven cavity?
You're NOT supposed to leave your pans in there.

--
Jim Yanik
jyanik
at
kua.net

wrote:
I don't know about teflon in an oven, but self cleaning ovens with the
usual enameled finish have been around for at least 20 years.


--

Larry Wasserman Baltimore, Maryland





The only way teflon gets into an oven is if you put it there. The OP
is either completely stupid or a troll.

I can attest to the bad things that happen if you forget a teflon
spatula and use the SC. On a 20 degree day it causes all doors and
windows to be opened, the stove circuit breaker to be pulled, and all
available fans to be put into use.

Harry K