need help/suggestions with two story heating/cooling
 

All,

Looking for advice on a home heating/cooling problem, here's the story:

We have a two story house (2100 sq ft, almost equally distributed up and
down) in central Texas (mild winters, somewhat hot summers). Lennox
single 4 ton HVAC unit roughly 7 years old, single zone system. Summers
aren't bad, although the upstairs rooms are a bit warmer than downstairs
- nothing too unpleasant. Although two rooms (that face south and are
over a two car garage) get pretty warm in the morning & afternoons.
Winters on the other hand are completely different. The downstairs is
consistently 10-15 degrees colder than upstairs. It's almost unusable
on colder (30's) nights. We've tried small space heaters downstairs,
but they really don't help much.

We've talked with several people about options and here are the leading
three:

* replace single pane windows with dual pane
* replace HVAC with a dual system, or more powerful (5 ton) with
continuous fan
* add damper system to current HVAC to create dual zone
system

The problem is all three solutions came from people who sell that
particular product, and all claim the same thing "this should solve 90%
of your problem". The first two are pretty expensive, so for that money
I expect more than a 90% solution. Also, I don't expect sales reps to
recommend a product they don't sell, so I'm not sure I'm get a straight
answer.

While money is a concern (I don't want to spend 50k to fix this) I am
willing to spend a reasonable amount if it solves the problem (3-15k).
We're going to stay in the house at least 10 years, but getting the
system to pay for itself in energy gains is not the leading priority.

We've looked at vinyl vs. Anderson Renewal windows and love the Anderson
windows, but the price is pretty steep and the sales rep was a bit odd.
Vinyl through Home Depot seems to have a great warranty (haven't read
the fine print), but it's still vinyl windows and I haven't been
convinced they're going to last - and it still just seems wrong to have
vinyl windows to me. They looked great until we saw Anderson windows.

A local company serviced our HVAC this year and when I asked the tech
his advice, he seemed to think a damper system (~3k) would significantly
help. We do have two returns (upstairs & downstairs), so adding a
thermostat downstairs (the one we have now us currently upstairs) sounds
good. He's the first person that's explained a damper system to me in a
way that he sounds like he knows what he's talking about.

So there you have it - I would really appreciate feedback from someone
(homeowner) who's done this and what the results were, or hearing from a
general contractor on recommendations.

thanks,
-andrew

twostoryhvac at gmail dot com

need help/suggestions with two story heating/cooling
 

All,

Looking for advice on a home heating/cooling problem, here's the story:

We have a two story house (2100 sq ft, almost equally distributed up and
down) in central Texas (mild winters, somewhat hot summers). Lennox
single 4 ton HVAC unit roughly 7 years old, single zone system. Summers
aren't bad, although the upstairs rooms are a bit warmer than downstairs
- nothing too unpleasant. Although two rooms (that face south and are
over a two car garage) get pretty warm in the morning & afternoons.
Winters on the other hand are completely different. The downstairs is
consistently 10-15 degrees colder than upstairs. It's almost unusable
on colder (30's) nights. We've tried small space heaters downstairs,
but they really don't help much.


Putting a door at the top or bottom of the stairs to
restrict airflow will keep more of the heat on the ground floor,
and more of the cool on the top floor. After that,
it's just a matter of putting the heat or cold where it's
needed. If you can't block the between-floors
airflow, then you need some way to deliberately circulate
the air between floors, which should even out the temps.

Insulating and plugging leaks would reduce your
total climate-control load, but it's sounds like
balancing is your current issue.

Multi-zone systems are for when you want to
reduce the load further by NOT controlling
the temperature in unused spaces.

need help/suggestions with two story heating/cooling
 

A no cost method that you can try is close the registers on the second
story during the winter so that more air blows downstairs and less
upstairs.

need help/suggestions with two story heating/cooling
 

Goedjn wrote:
All,

Looking for advice on a home heating/cooling problem, here's the story:

We have a two story house (2100 sq ft, almost equally distributed up and
down) in central Texas (mild winters, somewhat hot summers). Lennox
single 4 ton HVAC unit roughly 7 years old, single zone system. Summers
aren't bad, although the upstairs rooms are a bit warmer than downstairs
- nothing too unpleasant. Although two rooms (that face south and are
over a two car garage) get pretty warm in the morning & afternoons.
Winters on the other hand are completely different. The downstairs is
consistently 10-15 degrees colder than upstairs. It's almost unusable
on colder (30's) nights. We've tried small space heaters downstairs,
but they really don't help much.


Putting a door at the top or bottom of the stairs to
restrict airflow will keep more of the heat on the ground floor,
and more of the cool on the top floor. After that,
it's just a matter of putting the heat or cold where it's
needed. If you can't block the between-floors
airflow, then you need some way to deliberately circulate
the air between floors, which should even out the temps.

Insulating and plugging leaks would reduce your
total climate-control load, but it's sounds like
balancing is your current issue.

Multi-zone systems are for when you want to
reduce the load further by NOT controlling
the temperature in unused spaces.

I got a noticeable improvement by blocking off my downstairs *return*
vents. This forces the AC to pull the hotter upstairs air and cool it
off. Since you have two returns you could try this by covering the
downstairs return with cardboard. If it works then you make a more
attractive cover. I plan to block off my upstairs returns in the
winter to improve the heat circulation.

Caution: Some of the HVAC techs have posted about the possibility of
freezing your a-coil due to reduced airflow. This is supposedly not a
problem with blocking a return but it is my CYA notice.

need help/suggestions with two story heating/cooling
 

"andrew" wrote in message
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All,

Looking for advice on a home heating/cooling problem, here's the story:

We have a two story house (2100 sq ft, almost equally distributed up and
down) in central Texas (mild winters, somewhat hot summers). Lennox
single 4 ton HVAC unit roughly 7 years old, single zone system. Summers
aren't bad, although the upstairs rooms are a bit warmer than downstairs
- nothing too unpleasant. Although two rooms (that face south and are
over a two car garage) get pretty warm in the morning & afternoons.
Winters on the other hand are completely different. The downstairs is
consistently 10-15 degrees colder than upstairs. It's almost unusable
on colder (30's) nights. We've tried small space heaters downstairs,
but they really don't help much.

We've talked with several people about options and here are the leading
three:

* replace single pane windows with dual pane
* replace HVAC with a dual system, or more powerful (5 ton) with
continuous fan
* add damper system to current HVAC to create dual zone
system

The problem is all three solutions came from people who sell that
particular product, and all claim the same thing "this should solve 90%
of your problem". The first two are pretty expensive, so for that money
I expect more than a 90% solution. Also, I don't expect sales reps to
recommend a product they don't sell, so I'm not sure I'm get a straight
answer.

While money is a concern (I don't want to spend 50k to fix this) I am
willing to spend a reasonable amount if it solves the problem (3-15k).
We're going to stay in the house at least 10 years, but getting the
system to pay for itself in energy gains is not the leading priority.

We've looked at vinyl vs. Anderson Renewal windows and love the Anderson
windows, but the price is pretty steep and the sales rep was a bit odd.
Vinyl through Home Depot seems to have a great warranty (haven't read
the fine print), but it's still vinyl windows and I haven't been
convinced they're going to last - and it still just seems wrong to have
vinyl windows to me. They looked great until we saw Anderson windows.

A local company serviced our HVAC this year and when I asked the tech
his advice, he seemed to think a damper system (~3k) would significantly
help. We do have two returns (upstairs & downstairs), so adding a
thermostat downstairs (the one we have now us currently upstairs) sounds
good. He's the first person that's explained a damper system to me in a
way that he sounds like he knows what he's talking about.

So there you have it - I would really appreciate feedback from someone
(homeowner) who's done this and what the results were, or hearing from a
general contractor on recommendations.

thanks,
-andrew

twostoryhvac at gmail dot com
A low cost experiment is to just run the circulating fan continiously. Be
careful about closing dampers or covering returns as you can wind up with
inadequate airflow thru the furnace and overheating. A good technician could
possibly improve the situation by re-balancing the airflow. Anything you can
do to reduce the downstairs heat loss would help some. The percentage of off
time for the furnace, if any, will give you some indication as to whether
the system has adequate capacity.

Don Young