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Recently read a story in the local news about someone using rented
house to grow pot. In the story they said that the electric meters were bypassed. How is a meter bypassed without killing yourself? |
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Al Moran wrote:
Recently read a story in the local news about someone using rented house to grow pot. In the story they said that the electric meters were bypassed. How is a meter bypassed without killing yourself? Hi, It's very easy but illegal. Just need a little jumper wire. |
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Al Moran wrote: Recently read a story in the local news about someone using rented house to grow pot. In the story they said that the electric meters were bypassed. How is a meter bypassed without killing yourself? In Virginia, it is pretty easy. My house had aluminum wiring, and I replaced the whole electrical system with copper. Anyways, there is a security seal at the bottom of the meter box. When it is removed, a cover hinges up and the Glass meter can be pulled straight out. Then you will be looking at 4 prongs. The top two prongs go to the power pole. The bottom two go to the hous circut breaker box. (I had to replace this wire to the breaker box in my house). Anyways, you could jump the prongs rather easily with copper wire. It would help if you knew when the meter reader was coming around so you could place the glass meter back in. If you took the time with the security seal, the reader would probably never notice it....he just takes the numbers down and move to the next house. |
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"Tony Hwang" wrote in message news:Sf8Jg.484297$iF6.435245@pd7tw2no... Al Moran wrote: Recently read a story in the local news about someone using rented house to grow pot. In the story they said that the electric meters were bypassed. How is a meter bypassed without killing yourself? Hi, It's very easy but illegal. Just need a little jumper wire. And with some meters if you plug it in backwards, it runs backwards. Their software would flag an existing customer with extreme variations in usage as this could indicate a problem with equipment requiring a look but a new customer might go unnoticed with unlikely usage. Steal enough electricity and it becomes a Felony. Indoor pot farmers are often busted either by the electric usage pattern or by causing fires while ignoring electrical code. Narcing neighbors too. |
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On 29 Aug 2006 21:17:09 -0700, "komobu" wrote:
In Virginia, it is pretty easy. My house had aluminum wiring, and I replaced the whole electrical system with copper. Anyways, there is a security seal at the bottom of the meter box. When it is removed, a cover hinges up and the Glass meter can be pulled straight out. Then you will be looking at 4 prongs. The top two prongs go to the power pole. The bottom two go to the hous circut breaker box. (I had to replace this wire to the breaker box in my house). Anyways, you could jump the prongs rather easily with copper wire. It would help if you knew when the meter reader was coming around so you could place the glass meter back in. If you took the time with the security seal, the reader would probably never notice it....he just takes the numbers down and move to the next house. But what I don't get is that at least one set of the prongs must be hot. How would they connect anything to it without getting zapped ? |
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Al Moran wrote:
On 29 Aug 2006 21:17:09 -0700, "komobu" wrote: In Virginia, it is pretty easy. My house had aluminum wiring, and I replaced the whole electrical system with copper. Anyways, there is a security seal at the bottom of the meter box. When it is removed, a cover hinges up and the Glass meter can be pulled straight out. Then you will be looking at 4 prongs. The top two prongs go to the power pole. The bottom two go to the hous circut breaker box. (I had to replace this wire to the breaker box in my house). Anyways, you could jump the prongs rather easily with copper wire. It would help if you knew when the meter reader was coming around so you could place the glass meter back in. If you took the time with the security seal, the reader would probably never notice it....he just takes the numbers down and move to the next house. But what I don't get is that at least one set of the prongs must be hot. How would they connect anything to it without getting zapped ? Very carefully. Yea, I have done it, (with the electric company's blessing) . I don't suggest anyone who has to ask how consider doing it as missing one step could be your last one. -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:41:54 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote: Very carefully. Yea, I have done it, (with the electric company's blessing) . I don't suggest anyone who has to ask how consider doing it as missing one step could be your last one. I have no intentions of trying it. Just curious how you would do it and still be alive to talk about it. |
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But what I don't get is that at least one set of the prongs must be hot. How would they connect anything to it without getting zapped ? Actually, both legs are hot. Each leg is 110v, so together you get 220v service. The third leg goes straigt to the circuit panel and that is the return, so for 110v, you are using one of the legs and the return. Anyways, if your jumper is plastic sheilded you would be alright, or if you wear ruber or leather gloves. Another very common senario is that theives steel the glass meter from a vacant property. Then they simply swap meters. The stolen meter would be used for two to three weeks, and then swapped again until the meter reader comes by. This way all the time that electricity is being used while the stolen meter is inplace, is not being charged to the occupyer. If one does that for 15 to 22 days a month, it results in in 50% to 75% of the electrical usage not appearing on his bill. |
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Al Moran wrote: Recently read a story in the local news about someone using rented house to grow pot. In the story they said that the electric meters were bypassed. How is a meter bypassed without killing yourself? Now that some companys use the latest tech of remote meter reading tampering with the meter could go on for quite awhile, before the electric company became aware of it. Usually when they are caught the judges are not very lenient in the sentence. You steal you Pay. Jack |
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Al Moran wrote:
Recently read a story in the local news about someone using rented house to grow pot. In the story they said that the electric meters were bypassed. How is a meter bypassed without killing yourself? Heh! When doing a census for a Rural Electric Co-op, we found more than one person who had bought their own TRANSFORMER and tapped into the 7,200 volt mains. Look, if a lineman can fiddle with umpty-ump volts on the job, he can certainly do it off the clock. |
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If they look for high wattage use to flag potential growers, couldn't
they just look for zero (or ultra-low) wattage users, too? |
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"Al Moran" wrote in message ... I have no intentions of trying it. Just curious how you would do it and still be alive to talk about it. There are lots of times work is done on hot systems. Many precautions need to be done but essentially wearing the correct protective equipment (gloves, isolation mats, etc...) presents a pretty safe environment. How do you think those guys working on the high voltage power distribution lines do it? They certainly don't shut the line down for some routine maintenance (depends on the maintenance I suppose). Personally, I wouldn't want to do it but that's why those guys make the money they do. Cheers, cc |
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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006 11:41:54 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote: Al Moran wrote: On 29 Aug 2006 21:17:09 -0700, "komobu" wrote: In Virginia, it is pretty easy. My house had aluminum wiring, and I replaced the whole electrical system with copper. Anyways, there is a security seal at the bottom of the meter box. When it is removed, a cover hinges up and the Glass meter can be pulled straight out. Then you will be looking at 4 prongs. The top two prongs go to the power pole. The bottom two go to the hous circut breaker box. (I had to replace this wire to the breaker box in my house). Anyways, you could jump the prongs rather easily with copper wire. It would help if you knew when the meter reader was coming around so you could place the glass meter back in. If you took the time with the security seal, the reader would probably never notice it....he just takes the numbers down and move to the next house. But what I don't get is that at least one set of the prongs must be hot. How would they connect anything to it without getting zapped ? Very carefully. Yea, I have done it, (with the electric company's blessing) . I don't suggest anyone who has to ask how consider doing it as missing one step could be your last one. First, build a mud wall at least a foot high all around the meter and fill it with salt water. Wash your hands thoroughly in the salt water and keep them wet. Stand in the pool while working on the meter. |
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Over the past year all the homes in my town (Central Mass.) have been converted over to digital meters with some type of Tough plexiglass/plastic cover. I haven't seen a meter reader since. Also the literature I saw on the new meters stated that they were not only for metering service but for regulating so if there were some problem it would be identified. I am not sure what the "problems" could be (tapping service) or how it would phone home with an issue, just send a signal over the line? komobu wrote: Al Moran wrote: Recently read a story in the local news about someone using rented house to grow pot. In the story they said that the electric meters were bypassed. How is a meter bypassed without killing yourself? In Virginia, it is pretty easy. My house had aluminum wiring, and I replaced the whole electrical system with copper. Anyways, there is a security seal at the bottom of the meter box. When it is removed, a cover hinges up and the Glass meter can be pulled straight out. Then you will be looking at 4 prongs. The top two prongs go to the power pole. The bottom two go to the hous circut breaker box. (I had to replace this wire to the breaker box in my house). Anyways, you could jump the prongs rather easily with copper wire. It would help if you knew when the meter reader was coming around so you could place the glass meter back in. If you took the time with the security seal, the reader would probably never notice it....he just takes the numbers down and move to the next house. |
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Jack wrote: Al Moran wrote: Recently read a story in the local news about someone using rented house to grow pot. In the story they said that the electric meters were bypassed. How is a meter bypassed without killing yourself? Now that some companys use the latest tech of remote meter reading tampering with the meter could go on for quite awhile, before the electric company became aware of it.... Actually, w/ remote monitoring and latest technology, the utility company becomes aware of it essentially instantaneously--that's one of the points of the remote (as in automated) monitoring besides the cost reduction of eliminating meter-readers... http://www.itron.com/pages/products_...itr_000240.xml for a overview of current technology for one particular meter/vendor... |
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In article , "James \"Cubby\" Culbertson" wrote:
There are lots of times work is done on hot systems. Many precautions need to be done but essentially wearing the correct protective equipment (gloves, isolation mats, etc...) presents a pretty safe environment. How do you think those guys working on the high voltage power distribution lines do it? From a helicopter. I used to live right across the road from a 750KV transmission line, and watched them doing maintenance several times. Really awesome to watch. I have a lot of respect for both the electrician *and* the pilot. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
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Doug Miller wrote:
In article , "James \"Cubby\" Culbertson" wrote: There are lots of times work is done on hot systems. Many precautions need to be done but essentially wearing the correct protective equipment (gloves, isolation mats, etc...) presents a pretty safe environment. How do you think those guys working on the high voltage power distribution lines do it? From a helicopter. I used to live right across the road from a 750KV transmission line, and watched them doing maintenance several times. Really awesome to watch. I have a lot of respect for both the electrician *and* the pilot. Its called a Faraday cage. Basically the workers suit up in a chain mail suit, not unlike the under armor of the middle ages. The metal then acts as a conductor of any induced currents, keeping them away from any path thru the body of the worker. They reach out with a long metal rod to touch the wire as the chopper brings them close to equalize the charges. |
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Awhile ago I heard about a guy who stole power by using auto jumper
cables attached to a tree pole pruner, jumping out the meter attaching directly to the copper uninsulated service line...... he had a tree shaded area to work.. |
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Joseph Meehan wrote:
Very carefully. Yea, I have done it, (with the electric company's blessing) . I don't suggest anyone who has to ask how consider doing it as missing one step could be your last one. bull****! total bull**** Eric |
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Mike Plate wrote: Over the past year all the homes in my town (Central Mass.) have been converted over to digital meters ... not only for metering service but for regulating so if there were some problem it would be identified. I am not sure what the "problems" could be (tapping service) or how it would phone home with an issue, just send a signal over the line? .... Certainly tampering is one form of "problem" new digital meters are designed to detect. Almost any service issue can be detected, the level in your case would be, it would all depend on the level of sophistication of the particular meter design/manufacturer they went to. Unbalanced legs, low voltage, off-frequency, many neutral or ground problems all can be detected. Most of these use a wireless network or proprietary transmission protocol connection and either they use a mobile receiver and drive around to various locations to collect data from an area or have collection "stations" that then forward the data back to central office. |
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Some newer meter sockets are self-bypassing when the meter is unplugged.
No interruption in service either. I was told this by the power company guy who was swapping out meters under load. |
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:02:23 -0700, Al Moran wrote:
Recently read a story in the local news about someone using rented house to grow pot. In the story they said that the electric meters were bypassed. How is a meter bypassed without killing yourself? Taking notes? |
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James "Cubby" Culbertson wrote: "Al Moran" wrote in message ... I have no intentions of trying it. Just curious how you would do it and still be alive to talk about it. There are lots of times work is done on hot systems. Many precautions need to be done but essentially wearing the correct protective equipment (gloves, isolation mats, etc...) presents a pretty safe environment. How do you think those guys working on the high voltage power distribution lines do it? They certainly don't shut the line down for some routine maintenance (depends on the maintenance I suppose). Personally, I wouldn't want to do it but that's why those guys make the money they do. Cheers, cc In my stupid youth I used to occasionally work on my apartment wiring hot, when I lived in places where I didn't have access to the breaker/fuse box. You just have to be damn meticulous and careful. I guess i got the idea from wayback, when i used to work on vacuum tube equipment where diagnosis often required careful poking with meter probes while the thing was on. Compared to the inside of a tube electronics chassis, 110 volt house wiring is pretty easy and safe. Oh yeah, it's advised to always keep your left hand in your pocket to eliminate any current path across the heart, should things go sour. |
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Mike Plate wrote: Over the past year all the homes in my town (Central Mass.) have been converted over to digital meters with some type of Tough plexiglass/plastic cover. I haven't seen a meter reader since. Also the literature I saw on the new meters stated that they were not only for metering service but for regulating so if there were some problem it would be identified. I am not sure what the "problems" could be (tapping service) or how it would phone home with an issue, just send a signal over the line? Same here, but last week I got a notice from the power company saying despite the remote reading setup, it was still time for routine replacement of the meter and would i please make an appointment? |
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On 31 Aug 2006 11:49:52 -0700, "z" wrote:
Mike Plate wrote: Over the past year all the homes in my town (Central Mass.) have been converted over to digital meters with some type of Tough plexiglass/plastic cover. I haven't seen a meter reader since. Also the literature I saw on the new meters stated that they were not only for metering service but for regulating so if there were some problem it would be identified. I am not sure what the "problems" could be (tapping service) or how it would phone home with an issue, just send a signal over the line? Same here, but last week I got a notice from the power company saying despite the remote reading setup, it was still time for routine replacement of the meter and would i please make an appointment? They replaced my electric meter this spring, at about 10AM (while I was reading newsgroups) with NO notice. If I hadn't gone outside to look, it would have been like any other power failure. -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.laughingsquid.com "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin |
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Al Moran wrote: Recently read a story in the local news about someone using rented house to grow pot. In the story they said that the electric meters were bypassed. How is a meter bypassed without killing yourself? That's down right shocking |
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Al Moran wrote: Recently read a story in the local news about someone using rented house to grow pot. In the story they said that the electric meters were bypassed. How is a meter bypassed without killing yourself? After they smoked some, it seemed like an obvious idea. |
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"James "Cubby" Culbertson" wrote in message . .. "Al Moran" wrote in message ... I have no intentions of trying it. Just curious how you would do it and still be alive to talk about it. There are lots of times work is done on hot systems. Many precautions need to be done but essentially wearing the correct protective equipment (gloves, isolation mats, etc...) presents a pretty safe environment. How do you think those guys working on the high voltage power distribution lines do it? They certainly don't shut the line down for some routine maintenance (depends on the maintenance I suppose). Personally, I wouldn't want to do it but that's why those guys make the money they do. Cheers, cc Those guys make "Chump Change" |
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On Tue, 29 Aug 2006 21:50:44 -0700, "pipedown"
wrote: Indoor pot farmers are often busted either by the electric usage pattern or by causing fires while ignoring electrical code. Narcing neighbors too. These gro-ops are a landlord's nighmare. Growing pot requires a lot of water that the plants then transpire. That results in high humidity and condensation on the walls, etc. There will be structural damage to the house, especially in houses that are built in localities with a long winter. Furthermore the chemicals used in the gro-op and along with the drug by-products will contaminate the house. A police bust will have it condemned as unfit for human habitation. That house will be a total loss and insurance won't pay for that. |
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"z" wrote: Al Moran wrote: Recently read a story in the local news about someone using rented house to grow pot. In the story they said that the electric meters were bypassed. How is a meter bypassed without killing yourself? After they smoked some, it seemed like an obvious idea. During Prohibition one trick was to put a straw in the meter to stop the turning. Absolute requirement; have soneone ALWAYS availiable to remove the straw before a meter reader gets there! -- Free men own guns - /CapitolHill/5357/ |
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replying to Joseph Meehan, John doooh wrote:
sligojoe_Spamno wrote: Very carefully. Yea, I have done it, (with the electric company's blessing) . I don't suggest anyone who has to ask how consider doing it as missing one step could be your last one. It's like installing a fuse...plus isn't it just secondary power 120/240... Just don't ground when installing jumper...or between phases. -- |
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replying to Al Moran, gangerelectricm8 wrote:
not reeal m88'tz -- for full context, visit http://www.homeownershub.com/mainten...er-141721-.htm |
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replying to PaPaPeng, Femi wrote:
This is such bull****. I have been a part of 6 grow houses, nit one damaged the house in those ways. In the grow operation, if you know what you're doing you keep the temperature and the humidity in an acceptable range, and that range does not damaged houses is the same range that humans live in. Humidity between 45 + 55% and temperature between 72 and 84 degrees Fahrenheit. That does not damage a house. You are so full of ****. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...er-141721-.htm |
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On Tuesday, August 29, 2006 at 11:02:23 PM UTC-5, Al Moran wrote:
Recently read a story in the local news about someone using rented house to grow pot. In the story they said that the electric meters were bypassed. How is a meter bypassed without killing yourself? That is called stealing. The Eighth Commandment is recorded in Exodus 20:15: €œYou shall not steal.€ The Bible describes many forms of stealing we must avoid. |
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On Saturday, July 13, 2019 at 11:22:18 PM UTC-4, A K wrote:
On Tuesday, August 29, 2006 at 11:02:23 PM UTC-5, Al Moran wrote: Recently read a story in the local news about someone using rented house to grow pot. In the story they said that the electric meters were bypassed. How is a meter bypassed without killing yourself? That is called stealing. The Eighth Commandment is recorded in Exodus 20:15: €œYou shall not steal.€ The Bible describes many forms of stealing we must avoid. To answer the question, it's not hard to bypass a meter without killing yourself. The hard part is making it so it's not visible, not detected and not getting caught. |
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replying to PaPaPeng, Erik Jon wrote:
Wow this is the either official propaganda or you're retarded. -- for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...er-141721-.htm |
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