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Is it normal to smell natural gas near water heater?
When I stand right next to the water heater, I smell a little bit of gas at
certain height. If I move to 1 foot away, I no longer can smell it. See this photo: http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/990857 The red ellipse shows where I smell the gas. I smell some at lower spots, but it's not continuous, meaning when I go lower, I don't smell it, then I smell it, ... I assume it has been like this during the last year, and there is no cumulation of natural gas (like I said, only can smell it within a foot). So I wonder, is it normal for a water heater with pilot light to emit some natural gas odor, or should I try to seal all the pipe joints? |
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peter wrote:
When I stand right next to the water heater, I smell a little bit of gas at certain height. If I move to 1 foot away, I no longer can smell it. See this photo: http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/990857 The red ellipse shows where I smell the gas. I smell some at lower spots, but it's not continuous, meaning when I go lower, I don't smell it, then I smell it, ... I assume it has been like this during the last year, and there is no cumulation of natural gas (like I said, only can smell it within a foot). So I wonder, is it normal for a water heater with pilot light to emit some natural gas odor, or should I try to seal all the pipe joints? How long has the water heater been there? Was it a replacement or a new install? -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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Your fire dept and gas company will check it out free, it could be Co
from a poor draft, blocked flue, There are Co-Ng detectors for about 40$ at HD, get it checked out by a pro you obviously dont have your equipment serviced or cleaned regularly and you should. |
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m Ransley wrote: Your fire dept and gas company will check it out free, it could be Co from a poor draft, blocked flue, There are Co-Ng detectors for about 40$ at HD, get it checked out by a pro you obviously dont have your equipment serviced or cleaned regularly and you should. No, it;s not normal to smell any gas near a water heater. It needs to be checked out. You can start checking yourself by applying some soapy water with a brush to the pipe joints. If there is a leak, you will see bubbles. It's most likely the problem is before the combustion occurs, not the exhaust, because the combustion products are odorless. |
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wrote in message I have a followup question to this answer - unrelated to water heaters, but sort of on topic - is there a "safe" amount of natural gas to smell? Reason: I can smell natural gas near my meter, but only when I put my nose right near the pipes. Anywhere else along the ground around the meter I can't smell it - Any time the gas does not explode could be considered safe in a loose sense of the term. The odorant that is put into gas can leave a residue over time. I've sniffed pipes and fittings removed from gas service and months later and could detect an odor. If their equipment does not detect any gas, it is probably safe and the leak may be gone, but the residue remains. So, you are not smelling gas necessarily, but the odorant. Natural gas has no odor. You did the right thing having it checked. |
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peter wrote: When I stand right next to the water heater, I smell a little bit of gas at certain height. If I move to 1 foot away, I no longer can smell it. See this photo: http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/990857 The red ellipse shows where I smell the gas. I smell some at lower spots, but it's not continuous, meaning when I go lower, I don't smell it, then I smell it, ... I assume it has been like this during the last year, and there is no cumulation of natural gas (like I said, only can smell it within a foot). So I wonder, is it normal for a water heater with pilot light to emit some natural gas odor, or should I try to seal all the pipe joints? I installed a new gas waterheater and for weeks later kept getting a faint smell of gas odor. Rechecked my connections and they were tight. Finally checked the internal connections and found a loose one - came that way from the factory. Tightened it and never smelled gas again. Bob |
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"peter" wrote in message news:Oz0tg.5732$pB.4088@trnddc06... When I stand right next to the water heater, I smell a little bit of gas at certain height. If I move to 1 foot away, I no longer can smell it. See this photo: http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/990857 The red ellipse shows where I smell the gas. I smell some at lower spots, but it's not continuous, meaning when I go lower, I don't smell it, then I smell it, ... I assume it has been like this during the last year, and there is no cumulation of natural gas (like I said, only can smell it within a foot). So I wonder, is it normal for a water heater with pilot light to emit some natural gas odor, or should I try to seal all the pipe joints? Your question is pretty dangerous, remember that this is a public forum and therefore we can't tell what your situation and what your intelligence level really is, so a question involving highly flammable gas typically is answered very conservatively. As to whether it is normal or not, it can yes. I have spoken with people who do home calls and people who do training for PSE (Puget Sound Energy) and on certain gas water heaters it is normal to smell gas around the burner control knob. But your circle doesn't indicate that location so in my mind you should perhaps ask your gas supplier if they can verify the installation for you. It's what I did when I smelled gas in and around my gas control box. No reason to risk sending your water heater into low orbit. |
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"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
. .. peter wrote: When I stand right next to the water heater, I smell a little bit of gas at certain height. If I move to 1 foot away, I no longer can smell it. See this photo: http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/990857 The red ellipse shows where I smell the gas. I smell some at lower spots, but it's not continuous, meaning when I go lower, I don't smell it, then I smell it, ... I assume it has been like this during the last year, and there is no cumulation of natural gas (like I said, only can smell it within a foot). So I wonder, is it normal for a water heater with pilot light to emit some natural gas odor, or should I try to seal all the pipe joints? How long has the water heater been there? Was it a replacement or a new install? It is a replacement water heater installed about 1 year ago. If I turn off the gas valve on the water heater itself, then the smell is gone. Then I turn it to the pilot lighting setting and lit the pilot. Immediately after this I stuck my nose near the control box (where the valve, lighting button, and the temperature control is mounted) and smell gas. I think it's safe (dangerous?) to say the leak comes from that control box. And it's only 1 year old. The water heater is made by state industries (http://www.stateind.com/). |
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"peter" wrote in message news:_w8ug.197$rT6.27@trnddc03... "Joseph Meehan" wrote in message . .. peter wrote: When I stand right next to the water heater, I smell a little bit of gas at certain height. If I move to 1 foot away, I no longer can smell it. See this photo: http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/990857 The red ellipse shows where I smell the gas. I smell some at lower spots, but it's not continuous, meaning when I go lower, I don't smell it, then I smell it, ... I assume it has been like this during the last year, and there is no cumulation of natural gas (like I said, only can smell it within a foot). So I wonder, is it normal for a water heater with pilot light to emit some natural gas odor, or should I try to seal all the pipe joints? How long has the water heater been there? Was it a replacement or a new install? It is a replacement water heater installed about 1 year ago. If I turn off the gas valve on the water heater itself, then the smell is gone. Then I turn it to the pilot lighting setting and lit the pilot. Immediately after this I stuck my nose near the control box (where the valve, lighting button, and the temperature control is mounted) and smell gas. I think it's safe (dangerous?) to say the leak comes from that control box. And it's only 1 year old. The water heater is made by state industries (http://www.stateind.com/). Did you call the gas company? There were a few people who suggested it and it really is a good recommendation. |
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peter wrote:
"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message . .. peter wrote: When I stand right next to the water heater, I smell a little bit of gas at certain height. If I move to 1 foot away, I no longer can smell it. See this photo: http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/990857 The red ellipse shows where I smell the gas. I smell some at lower spots, but it's not continuous, meaning when I go lower, I don't smell it, then I smell it, ... I assume it has been like this during the last year, and there is no cumulation of natural gas (like I said, only can smell it within a foot). So I wonder, is it normal for a water heater with pilot light to emit some natural gas odor, or should I try to seal all the pipe joints? How long has the water heater been there? Was it a replacement or a new install? It is a replacement water heater installed about 1 year ago. If I turn off the gas valve on the water heater itself, then the smell is gone. Then I turn it to the pilot lighting setting and lit the pilot. Immediately after this I stuck my nose near the control box (where the valve, lighting button, and the temperature control is mounted) and smell gas. I think it's safe (dangerous?) to say the leak comes from that control box. And it's only 1 year old. The water heater is made by state industries (http://www.stateind.com/). That eliminates what I was thinking of. I suggest that you call the manufacturer or your local gas company. I would consider it a hazard. -- Joseph Meehan Dia duit |
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When I stand right next to the water heater, I smell a little bit of gas at certain height. If I move to 1 foot away, I no longer can smell it. I found the problem. There are two gas tubes coming out of the temperature control box, a big one supplies the burner, and a small one supplies the pilot light: http://www.smugmug.com/gallery/990857/1/82458064 The installer did not use any joint compound on these tube fittings, so they leak a little. Instead, he overtightened the large nut, but that still doesn't work. I bought some joint compound from HD (says ok to use on gas pipe) and put them in the threads. That's the white stuff you see in the threads. This eliminates almost all the gas odor. I no longer smell gas when standing next to the water heater. I still smell a faint odor at the bottom of the control box. I think a little bit of gas is leaking out between the nut and the tubes. How do you seal this? Yes, I know I can call the gas company, or call the installer to fix it. That would be the last resort. I want to learn something in the process if I could. |
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peter wrote: peter wrote: When I stand right next to the water heater, I smell a little bit of gas at certain height. If I move to 1 foot away, I no longer can smell it. .... The installer did not use any joint compound on these tube fittings, so they leak a little. Instead, he overtightened the large nut, but that still doesn't work. .... Then you need to replace the fittings--joint compound is for _threaded_ pipe fittings where the threads make the seal, _not_ for tubing fittings. In a tubing fitting (or a pipe union, as well) the seal is the mating between the taper and the sleeve _not_ the threads at all. Sounds like they tried to reuse an old fitting that has either corroded enough to no longer have a precise matching or, in trying to make that connection, overtightned and likely crushed the ferule. The real solution is to replace the fittings if you have sufficient length to get a fresh tubing end or the tubing and fittings if not. |
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replying to delphiprog, Daniel wrote:
delphiprog wrote: I have a followup question to this answer - unrelated to water heaters, but sort of on topic - is there a "safe" amount of natural gas to smell? Reason: I can smell natural gas near my meter, but only when I put my nose right near the pipes. Anywhere else along the ground around the meter I can't smell it - and I can't smell it on any of the pipes in my house that I could reach (my neighbors probably think I've lost my mind). I've had the gas company out several times, each time they told me they could smell it too (with their nose up next to the pipe), but said that they couldn't find a leak. I watched the last guy who came out and he soaped up the entire pipe & meter and found nothing. None of them has given me a good reason why this is occurring. Thanks Doug I have exactly the same issue before or after replacing my water heater. I always smell a waft of gas at a certain height near the pilot fire chamber. All tests prove negative, but the smell still haunts or hovers around that spot from time to time, giving me an eerie sense that gas is oozing out from some tiny leaks. -- |
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Daniel wrote:
replying to delphiprog, Daniel wrote: delphiprog wrote: I have a followup question to this answer - unrelated to water heaters, but sort of on topic - is there a "safe" amount of natural gas to smell? Reason: I can smell natural gas near my meter, but only when I put my nose right near the pipes. Anywhere else along the ground around the meter I can't smell it - and I can't smell it on any of the pipes in my house that I could reach (my neighbors probably think I've lost my mind). I've had the gas company out several times, each time they told me they could smell it too (with their nose up next to the pipe), but said that they couldn't find a leak. I watched the last guy who came out and he soaped up the entire pipe & meter and found nothing. None of them has given me a good reason why this is occurring. Thanks Doug I have exactly the same issue before or after replacing my water heater. I always smell a waft of gas at a certain height near the pilot fire chamber. All tests prove negative, but the smell still haunts or hovers around that spot from time to time, giving me an eerie sense that gas is oozing out from some tiny leaks. Hi, No gas detector in the house? |
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 01:44:02 +0000, Daniel
wrote: replying to delphiprog, Daniel wrote: delphiprog wrote: I have a followup question to this answer - unrelated to water heaters, but sort of on topic - is there a "safe" amount of natural gas to smell? Reason: I can smell natural gas near my meter, but only when I put my nose right near the pipes. Anywhere else along the ground around the meter I can't smell it - and I can't smell it on any of the pipes in my house that I could reach (my neighbors probably think I've lost my mind). I've had the gas company out several times, each time they told me they could smell it too (with their nose up next to the pipe), but said that they couldn't find a leak. I watched the last guy who came out and he soaped up the entire pipe & meter and found nothing. None of them has given me a good reason why this is occurring. Thanks Doug I have exactly the same issue before or after replacing my water heater. I always smell a waft of gas at a certain height near the pilot fire chamber. All tests prove negative, but the smell still haunts or hovers around that spot from time to time, giving me an eerie sense that gas is oozing out from some tiny leaks. OK - what you are smelling is the odorant Ethyl Mercaptan which is added to natural gas to make it detectable. Somehow the mercaptan is being released into the air - with or without the gas. My suspicion is some has "settled out" of the gas at the pilot. Only a fraction of a small drop will be detectable by a sensitive schnozz. |
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"Tony Hwang" wrote in message ... Daniel wrote: replying to delphiprog, Daniel wrote: delphiprog wrote: I have a followup question to this answer - unrelated to water heaters, but sort of on topic - is there a "safe" amount of natural gas to smell? Reason: I can smell natural gas near my meter, but only when I put my nose right near the pipes. Anywhere else along the ground around the meter I can't smell it - and I can't smell it on any of the pipes in my house that I could reach (my neighbors probably think I've lost my mind). I've had the gas company out several times, each time they told me they could smell it too (with their nose up next to the pipe), but said that they couldn't find a leak. I watched the last guy who came out and he soaped up the entire pipe & meter and found nothing. None of them has given me a good reason why this is occurring. Thanks Doug I have exactly the same issue before or after replacing my water heater. I always smell a waft of gas at a certain height near the pilot fire chamber. All tests prove negative, but the smell still haunts or hovers around that spot from time to time, giving me an eerie sense that gas is oozing out from some tiny leaks. Hi, No gas detector in the house? Who would have a natural gas detector in their house? I don't and don't know anyone who does. |
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On 11/12/2014 10:31 AM, terrable wrote:
"Tony Hwang" wrote in message Hi, No gas detector in the house? Who would have a natural gas detector in their house? I don't and don't know anyone who does. Some campers and RV have a LP detector near the floor. But NG detector in a home? Not heard of such. When I did HVAC, I used to have a gas beeper for use on the job, but that's not the typical HO situation. - .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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terrable wrote:
"Tony Hwang" wrote in message ... Daniel wrote: replying to delphiprog, Daniel wrote: delphiprog wrote: I have a followup question to this answer - unrelated to water heaters, but sort of on topic - is there a "safe" amount of natural gas to smell? Reason: I can smell natural gas near my meter, but only when I put my nose right near the pipes. Anywhere else along the ground around the meter I can't smell it - and I can't smell it on any of the pipes in my house that I could reach (my neighbors probably think I've lost my mind). I've had the gas company out several times, each time they told me they could smell it too (with their nose up next to the pipe), but said that they couldn't find a leak. I watched the last guy who came out and he soaped up the entire pipe & meter and found nothing. None of them has given me a good reason why this is occurring. Thanks Doug I have exactly the same issue before or after replacing my water heater. I always smell a waft of gas at a certain height near the pilot fire chamber. All tests prove negative, but the smell still haunts or hovers around that spot from time to time, giving me an eerie sense that gas is oozing out from some tiny leaks. Hi, No gas detector in the house? Who would have a natural gas detector in their house? I don't and don't know anyone who does. Hi, I do, NG, CO, flame, smoke detectors, why not? I even had them in my fiver when I had it. Any thing wrong having them? |
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 10:31:47 -0500, "terrable"
wrote: No gas detector in the house? Who would have a natural gas detector in their house? I don't and don't know anyone who does. You lead a sheltered life. They are readily available from Home Centers. You can get a combo flammable gas and carbon monoxide detector. For that price, why would you NOT have one if you have gas? (I don't have gas so I don't) http://www.homedepot.com/p/Kidde-Plu...EG-3/100003545 |
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Odorant can fool you.
I worked at a place out in the country that had a small motel for new employees until they found a place. There were maybe a dozen rooms. The place smelled so strong of gas I wouldn't have walked near it. Their claim was that it was normal. The odorant addition machine only came in one size, and so they had a large unit for that tiny motel. With that much odorant being added it was bound to smell. In hindsight, they were probably lying, but we all did survive. And move out quickly. |
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delphiprog wrote:
is there a "safe" amount of natural gas to smell? Reason: I can smell natural gas near my meter, but only when I put my nose right near the pipes. Anywhere else along the ground around the meter I can't smell it - and I can't smell it on any of the pipes in my house that I could reach No "safe amount" of any explosive gas can be detected by human nose. Our noses have not been trained to discriminate between safe and unsafe odours. This is why gas companies ask people to notify them if they ever smell gas. -- Don Phillipson Carlsbad Springs (Ottawa, Canada) |
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On 11/12/2014 3:46 PM, Don Phillipson wrote:
delphiprog wrote: is there a "safe" amount of natural gas to smell? Reason: I can smell natural gas near my meter, but only when I put my nose right near the pipes. Anywhere else along the ground around the meter I can't smell it - and I can't smell it on any of the pipes in my house that I could reach No "safe amount" of any explosive gas can be detected by human nose. Our noses have not been trained to discriminate between safe and unsafe odours. This is why gas companies ask people to notify them if they ever smell gas. Natural gas has no detectable odor at all -- it's only the mercaptan oderant added that can be detected by the nose. It's so strong simply so that a tiny amount is detectable by almost everybody (albeit I can often not notice the trace amounts spoken of above when some others claim it smells strongly of it to them; my sniffer ain't so hot as some I gather). The measurement devices used by the gas co aren't "smelling", they're using active sensing to detect the actual methane/propane/whatever... -- |
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On 11/12/2014 3:15 PM, TimR wrote:
Odorant can fool you. I worked at a place out in the country that had a small motel for new employees until they found a place. There were maybe a dozen rooms. The place smelled so strong of gas I wouldn't have walked near it. Their claim was that it was normal. The odorant addition machine only came in one size, and so they had a large unit for that tiny motel. With thatmuch odorant being added it was bound to smell. In hindsight, they were probably lying, but we all did survive. And move out quickly. This is a farm residence/homestead; the pot is at the tap off the pipeline at the meter location some quarter-mile from the house...which brings up other stories that initially was un-metered tap for farm/house use as part of the right-of-way easement grandfather negotiated in the 30's when they built the line. Some 30 yr ago now, the original pipeline company was acquired by another and they somehow found an escape hatch that state corporation commission backed them up on to break all those existing agreements. I've been extremely surprised they haven't come around trying to pull the tap entirely in order to get rid of the hassle of these scattered residential taps all over the county... -- |
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 10:41:00 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote: On 11/12/2014 10:31 AM, terrable wrote: "Tony Hwang" wrote in message Hi, No gas detector in the house? Who would have a natural gas detector in their house? I don't and don't know anyone who does. Some campers and RV have a LP detector near the floor. But NG detector in a home? Not heard of such. Why is it worse when a camper goes boom than when a home does? When I did HVAC, I used to have a gas beeper for use on the job, but that's not the typical HO situation. - . Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org . |
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 09:01:11 -0700, Tony Hwang wrote:
Who would have a natural gas detector in their house? I don't and don't know anyone who does. Hi, I do, NG, CO, flame, smoke detectors, why not? I have CO and smoke detectors, but wrt NG and flame, I say, Bring it on! I even had them in my fiver when I had it. Any thing wrong having them? |
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 10:41:00 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote: On 11/12/2014 10:31 AM, terrable wrote: "Tony Hwang" wrote in message Hi, No gas detector in the house? Who would have a natural gas detector in their house? I don't and don't know anyone who does. Some campers and RV have a LP detector near the floor. But NG detector in a home? Not heard of such. When I did HVAC, I used to have a gas beeper for use on the job, but that's not the typical HO situation. - . Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org . Getting more common - Co detectors are now MANDATORY in any living space in Ontario, joining smoke detectors. Many Co detectors are combination natural gas detectors. $63 is about the average cost. Likely more like $40 yankee bucks. |
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On 11/12/2014 10:41 AM, Stormin Mormon wrote:
Some campers and RV have a LP detector near the floor. But NG detector in a home? Not heard of such. Excellent point! Given that propane is heavier than air, having a *small* propane leak in a house with a basement or below grade crawl space is an explosion waiting to happen. A *small* propane leak is probably less dangerous in an above grade slab house. Given that natural gas is lighter than air, a *small* natural gas leak seems far less dangerous. |
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On 11/12/2014 8:14 PM, micky wrote:
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 10:41:00 -0500, Stormin Mormon wrote: On 11/12/2014 10:31 AM, terrable wrote: "Tony Hwang" wrote in message Hi, No gas detector in the house? Who would have a natural gas detector in their house? I don't and don't know anyone who does. Some campers and RV have a LP detector near the floor. But NG detector in a home? Not heard of such. Why is it worse when a camCenter posted, like your reply. Campers usually lighter weight material, they burn down FAST. Of couese, now days homes go down fast, also. per goes boom than when a home does? When I did HVAC, I used to have a gas beeper for use on the job, but that's not the typical HO situation. - |
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On 11/12/2014 8:36 PM, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 10:41:00 -0500, Stormin Mormon Some campers and RV have a LP detector near the floor. But NG detector in a home? Not heard of such. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org . Getting more common - Co detectors are now MANDATORY in any living space in Ontario, joining smoke detectors. Many Co detectors are combination natural gas detectors. $63 is about the average cost. Likely more like $40 yankee bucks. New York State passed some thing about monoxide detectors, about five to ten years ago. So, it's aparently favored by socialist governments in the US, also. -- .. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org .. |
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Is it normal to smell natural gas near water heater?
micky posted for all of us...
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 20:36:54 -0500, wrote: Getting more common - Co detectors are now MANDATORY in any living space in Ontario, joining smoke detectors. Years ago my brother gave me a CO detector for my birthday. He always finds good things to buy, that I don't even realize would be good** I don't remember how the problem started. but the loud CO alarm woke me up one night. I opened the window and turned off the oil furnace. It was a cold night, and after a while I was torn whether to shut the window again, so I could go to sleep. But I didn't want the big sleep. The alarm wasn't alarming, but I think I had a slight headache and didn't want to take chances. But it was getting cold quickly. After 20, 25 minutes I shut the window and went back to sleep. Next day called the furnace guy. He took off the 6" stove pipe leading to the chimney. A two-inch doughnut made of nothing but soot!!!. Leaving only 2 inches in the middle for the exhaust. That's 1/4 the intended cross-section. BTW, there's a story running around that oil furnaces can't make CO. NOT true. **He also gave me an electronic stud finder. My brother doesn't do home repairs. I wonder how he even thought of that. My reaction was, I'll never use it, but I used it over and over and over agains. Many Co detectors are combination natural gas detectors. $63 is about the average cost. Likely more like $40 yankee bucks. Wow. The difference has grown. Last I noticed, I think 93c US was a You could have called the fire dept (I responded to many of these calls). If you had symptoms (which you seem to allude to) you would have gotten EMS. -- Tekkie |
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On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 23:04:39 -0500, micky
wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 22:51:50 -0500, wrote: Many Co detectors are combination natural gas detectors. $63 is about the average cost. Likely more like $40 yankee bucks. Wow. The difference has grown. Last I noticed, I think 93c US was a It's more than the difference in the buck (right now in the 88 cent range).A lot of that type of stuff is just plain cheaper in the USA even taking exchange into consideration. I guess having a market ten times the size of the Canadian market has something to do with it?? Hmmm. I guess there's a lot about marketing and economics that I don't know. I know a lot of electronics products made in Japan, or at least made by Japanese companies in countries near them, are cheaper in the US than in Japan. But I thought that had to do with Japanese taxes or something. (I don't know what prices are like in China, or how many Chinese can afford to buy their products, even at US prices.) I would think one could treat Canada as any 30 million person section of the US. Most chains in the US don't cover the whole country, or if they do like the mail-order catalog, I mean webpage, of Sears, they are still just one of many buyers. . Does NAFTA only affect things made in the US, Canada, and Mexico, and not how Chinese or Japanese companies exporting here elate to us? Well you can go into any Target store in the USA, then come up to Canada and go to a Target store, and the prices will shock you. Same with book stores. Even when out dollar was up to $1.15, a book that sold for $8.99 in US stores was $14.99 here. Part of it is taxes, but definitely not all of it. Part of it is the fact that to sell any product in Canada it MUST have both english and french on the lable, and have all instructions and warnings in both languages - so they can't just toss a box across the border from Detroit to a store in Windsor, or from Buffalo to Niagara Falls. |
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 07:23:20 -0500, Stormin Mormon
wrote: On 11/12/2014 8:36 PM, wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 10:41:00 -0500, Stormin Mormon Some campers and RV have a LP detector near the floor. But NG detector in a home? Not heard of such. Christopher A. Young Learn about Jesus www.lds.org . Getting more common - Co detectors are now MANDATORY in any living space in Ontario, joining smoke detectors. Many Co detectors are combination natural gas detectors. $63 is about the average cost. Likely more like $40 yankee bucks. New York State passed some thing about monoxide detectors, about five to ten years ago. So, it's aparently favored by socialist governments in the US, also. You don't need to worry about gas leaks or Co poisoning in your drafty trailer. |
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On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 17:44:23 -0500, wrote:
On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 23:04:39 -0500, micky wrote: On Wed, 12 Nov 2014 22:51:50 -0500, wrote: Many Co detectors are combination natural gas detectors. $63 is about the average cost. Likely more like $40 yankee bucks. Wow. The difference has grown. Last I noticed, I think 93c US was a It's more than the difference in the buck (right now in the 88 cent range).A lot of that type of stuff is just plain cheaper in the USA even taking exchange into consideration. I guess having a market ten times the size of the Canadian market has something to do with it?? Hmmm. I guess there's a lot about marketing and economics that I don't know. I know a lot of electronics products made in Japan, or at least made by Japanese companies in countries near them, are cheaper in the US than in Japan. But I thought that had to do with Japanese taxes or something. (I don't know what prices are like in China, or how many Chinese can afford to buy their products, even at US prices.) I would think one could treat Canada as any 30 million person section of the US. Most chains in the US don't cover the whole country, or if they do like the mail-order catalog, I mean webpage, of Sears, they are still just one of many buyers. . Does NAFTA only affect things made in the US, Canada, and Mexico, and not how Chinese or Japanese companies exporting here elate to us? Well you can go into any Target store in the USA, then come up to Canada and go to a Target store, and the prices will shock you. Same with book stores. Even when out dollar was up to $1.15, a book that sold for $8.99 in US stores was $14.99 here. Well, I'm shocked and I didn't even have to get out of my chair, let alone drive to Target. Part of it is taxes, but definitely not all of it. Part of it is the fact that to sell any product in Canada it MUST have both english and french on the lable, and have all instructions and warnings in both languages - so they can't just toss a box across the border from Detroit to a store in Windsor, or from Buffalo to Niagara Falls. What a shame. Other than safety warnings, I don't think products sold in the US have to have any English on them at all. Maybe in some states safety warnings of some sort may have to be in Spanish too. A lot of instruction manuals etc. inside the box are now in English, Spanish, and French, And the polycarbonate I bought that was made in the US had instructions in English, Spanish, French, and German. (I hope they don't know something about the Western Hemisphere that I don't know.) The polycarbonate made by Saudi Arabia, had almost no text, just graphics. The only text was a web page, which said nothing about how to use polycarbonate. |
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