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I live in Gwinnett County, Georgia, in a townhouse that was built in
1998. I am selling the townhouse. The inspector noted that the gas water heater, which is located in a utility closet on the second floor, is not elevated 18 inches. The buyer want me to have this fixed. Am I correct that when the house was built, the water heater was installed according to code (i.e. in 1998 the requirement to be 18 inches off the ground didn't exist)? If so, I should not be responsible for this repair. Correct? Any advice is welcome. I am supposed to close on Wednesday of next week (June 28). Rebecca |
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wrote in message oups.com... I live in Gwinnett County, Georgia, in a townhouse that was built in 1998. I am selling the townhouse. The inspector noted that the gas water heater, which is located in a utility closet on the second floor, is not elevated 18 inches. The buyer want me to have this fixed. Am I correct that when the house was built, the water heater was installed according to code (i.e. in 1998 the requirement to be 18 inches off the ground didn't exist)? If so, I should not be responsible for this repair. Correct? Any advice is welcome. I am supposed to close on Wednesday of next week (June 28). Rebecca How old is the water heater and where is it located, that would help a bit more. |
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wrote in message oups.com... I live in Gwinnett County, Georgia, in a townhouse that was built in 1998. I am selling the townhouse. The inspector noted that the gas water heater, which is located in a utility closet on the second floor, is not elevated 18 inches. The buyer want me to have this fixed. Am I correct that when the house was built, the water heater was installed according to code (i.e. in 1998 the requirement to be 18 inches off the ground didn't exist)? If so, I should not be responsible for this repair. Correct? Any advice is welcome. I am supposed to close on Wednesday of next week (June 28). Rebecca I don't have any knowledge of construction, but I can tell you about my experience as a consumer when I bought my house. I live in Texas, and codes in my town also require gas hot water heaters to be elevated a minimum of 18 inches. In my case, the hot water heater is in a storage room connected to the garage. I hired a house inspecter before buying the house, and this was one of the defects he noted. I made the correction, not the seller. On the other hand, I would not let that interfere with buying a home because the cost was *minimal.* The HWH is placed on concrete blocks set upright. They are exactly 18 inches. MaryL |
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Eigenvector wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... I live in Gwinnett County, Georgia, in a townhouse that was built in 1998. I am selling the townhouse. The inspector noted that the gas water heater, which is located in a utility closet on the second floor, is not elevated 18 inches. The buyer want me to have this fixed. Am I correct that when the house was built, the water heater was installed according to code (i.e. in 1998 the requirement to be 18 inches off the ground didn't exist)? If so, I should not be responsible for this repair. Correct? Any advice is welcome. I am supposed to close on Wednesday of next week (June 28). Rebecca How old is the water heater and where is it located, that would help a bit more. Um, just using reading comprehension, I'd say its about 8 years old and on the second floor of the townhouse. The inspector should have known if that was a "grandfathered" condition and noted it. Only your city building department can answer that question now. It may be that there was a variance issued for the builder or your assumption is correct. Either way, talk to the local department. If its a prior condition, the buyer may give you a pass, or they may not; its really going to be the buyer's call. -- Grandpa What is that dripping from my fingers? Why it looks like time. |
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wrote in message oups.com... I live in Gwinnett County, Georgia, in a townhouse that was built in 1998. I am selling the townhouse. The inspector noted that the gas water heater, which is located in a utility closet on the second floor, is not elevated 18 inches. The buyer want me to have this fixed. Am I correct that when the house was built, the water heater was installed according to code (i.e. in 1998 the requirement to be 18 inches off the ground didn't exist)? If so, I should not be responsible for this repair. Correct? Any advice is welcome. I am supposed to close on Wednesday of next week (June 28). Rebecca Others will correct me if I am wrong. The 18" off the floor requirement is for gas water heaters located in garages. I have never heard of it applying to water heaters inside the home. IMO the inspector was not the sharpest knife in the drawer. If this is the initial heater and code was met when built you should not be required to update it at this time either way. Colbyt |
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Eigenvector wrote:
wrote in message oups.com... I live in Gwinnett County, Georgia, in a townhouse that was built in 1998. I am selling the townhouse. The inspector noted that the gas water heater, which is located in a utility closet on the second floor, is not elevated 18 inches. The buyer want me to have this fixed. Am I correct that when the house was built, the water heater was installed according to code (i.e. in 1998 the requirement to be 18 inches off the ground didn't exist)? If so, I should not be responsible for this repair. Correct? Any advice is welcome. I am supposed to close on Wednesday of next week (June 28). Rebecca How old is the water heater and where is it located, that would help a bit more. Carnac the Magnificent says it's eight years old, in an upstairs utility closet of a townhouse in Gwinnett County, GA. Rob |
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I had to put my 2 cents in. Are you sure it isn't the overflow pipe (or
whatever the proper name is) that has to be 18 inches off the floor? I just throw the ideas out, take them if you can use them |
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oups.com... I live in Gwinnett County, Georgia, in a townhouse that was built in 1998. I am selling the townhouse. The inspector noted that the gas water heater, which is located in a utility closet on the second floor, is not elevated 18 inches. The buyer want me to have this fixed. Am I correct that when the house was built, the water heater was installed according to code (i.e. in 1998 the requirement to be 18 inches off the ground didn't exist)? If so, I should not be responsible for this repair. Correct? Any advice is welcome. I am supposed to close on Wednesday of next week (June 28). Rebecca What's your goal? Selling the house? Or playing "You're not the 'boss' of me! You can't make me! Nyanh, nyanh, nyanh, nyanh!" Tell the buyer to buzz off, and go with the next lower biddng buyer, the one who gave you the second highest offer. Don't have another offer? Don't want to relist and go through the sales process again? Then maybe you get the heater raised. Its a very easy fix. -- Jim McLaughlin Reply address is deliberately munged. If you really need to reply directly, try: jimdotmclaughlinatcomcastdotcom And you know it is a dotnet not a dotcom address. |
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wrote in message oups.com... I live in Gwinnett County, Georgia, in a townhouse that was built in 1998. I am selling the townhouse. The inspector noted that the gas water heater, which is located in a utility closet on the second floor, is not elevated 18 inches. The buyer want me to have this fixed. Am I correct that when the house was built, the water heater was installed according to code (i.e. in 1998 the requirement to be 18 inches off the ground didn't exist)? If so, I should not be responsible for this repair. Correct? You are probably correct, but I don't know the code for your area. Why not ask the building inspector? Once you determine the law, you can decide on a remedy. You can show it does not have to be changed, you can pay to have it changed, or you can take $200 off the selling price. Being right in this case, may not be the best alternative. If the buyer is insistent you risk losing the sale. |
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"trainfan1" wrote in message ... Carnac the Magnificent says it's eight years old, in an upstairs utility closet of a townhouse in Gwinnett County, GA. Rob ....and I assume you found this information in a hermetically sealed mayonnaise jar located on your back porch! (Thanks, Johnny Carson) MaryL |
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i would be more concerned its in a drain pan so when it leaks it doesnt
flood your home. i do believe 18 inches is a GAS water heater issue in garages, this home inspector needs to go back to school. You might ask this at that national; home inspectors site, they are friendly |
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the 18 inch rule only applies to a garage installation. Per the 2000 IRC.
-- Steve Barker wrote in message oups.com... I live in Gwinnett County, Georgia, in a townhouse that was built in 1998. I am selling the townhouse. The inspector noted that the gas water heater, which is located in a utility closet on the second floor, is not elevated 18 inches. The buyer want me to have this fixed. Am I correct that when the house was built, the water heater was installed according to code (i.e. in 1998 the requirement to be 18 inches off the ground didn't exist)? If so, I should not be responsible for this repair. Correct? Any advice is welcome. I am supposed to close on Wednesday of next week (June 28). Rebecca |
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Grandpa wrote: Eigenvector wrote: wrote in message oups.com... I live in Gwinnett County, Georgia, in a townhouse that was built in 1998. I am selling the townhouse. The inspector noted that the gas water heater, which is located in a utility closet on the second floor, is not elevated 18 inches. The buyer want me to have this fixed. Am I correct that when the house was built, the water heater was installed according to code (i.e. in 1998 the requirement to be 18 inches off the ground didn't exist)? If so, I should not be responsible for this repair. Correct? Any advice is welcome. I am supposed to close on Wednesday of next week (June 28). Rebecca How old is the water heater and where is it located, that would help a bit more. Um, just using reading comprehension, I'd say its about 8 years old and on the second floor of the townhouse. The inspector should have known if that was a "grandfathered" condition and noted it. Only your city building department can answer that question now. It may be that there was a variance issued for the builder or your assumption is correct. Either way, talk to the local department. If its a prior condition, the buyer may give you a pass, or they may not; its really going to be the buyer's call. A buyer can't require a seller to bring an existing house up to the code requirements of what it would be if it were built today. If it met code when installed, then generally that is all that is required. A buyer can't force you to upgrade a house to every standard that exists today. For example, many homes are sold every day that don't have the electric service capacity or insulation that would be required if they were built today. Just because a home inspector says the house doesn't have the insulation that would be required today or the electic service capacity, doesn't mean the seller has to do upgrade it. There are, however, some exceptions that are spelled out and applied to all homes when they are sold. The requirement for smoke detectors, for example. I'd call the code enforcement folks at town hall and ask them what's required re watere heaters. And one thing I'm curious about. What is the reasoning behind the 18" off the floor requirement? -- Grandpa What is that dripping from my fingers? Why it looks like time. |
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wrote in message And one thing I'm curious about. What is the reasoning behind the 18" off the floor requirement? In a garage or basement it would keep it above some heavier than air gasses. On the second floor, it makes no sense. |
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Grandpa wrote: wrote: Grandpa wrote: A buyer can't require a seller to bring an existing house up to the code requirements of what it would be if it were built today. If it met code when installed, then generally that is all that is required. A buyer can't force you to upgrade a house to every standard that exists today. For example, many homes are sold every day that don't have the electric service capacity or insulation that would be required if they were built today. Just because a home inspector says the house doesn't have the insulation that would be required today or the electic service capacity, doesn't mean the seller has to do upgrade it. There are, however, some exceptions that are spelled out and applied to all homes when they are sold. The requirement for smoke detectors, for example. I'd call the code enforcement folks at town hall and ask them what's required re watere heaters. And one thing I'm curious about. What is the reasoning behind the 18" off the floor requirement? Actually, the buyer can ask for anything they want, and if it gets into the purchase contract, then they can require it. That could include updating to code, if in the buyer's mind the item in question was never to code. Did the OP give any indication that the contract had anything requiring the house to be fully updated to current code, even if nothing in the municipal code requires it? Did you ever see such a thing in a home purchase contract? The seller would have to be a total moron to sign such a thing. Homes are sold ever day that don't have insulation that would be required today, or the electric service capacity required today. Its now a question of wanting to close or not. The "code enforcement folks" as you say can either clarify the original code requirements or explain if a variance was allowed at time of construction. A variance for a water heater that could just have a 18" stand placed under it? If the 18" requirement only apples in garages, then the seller can explain why they don't believe they have to "fix" it, but its still the buyers call - it could be a deal killer. Not likely, but it could Nonetheless, it sounds like the "inspector" didn't know how to deal with out of the ordinary situations, or he's using one of those "check off books" that don't require a lot of "smarts." You know: "Gas Water Heater 18" above floor? __Yes __No" with no allowance for actual location. Out of the ordinary situations? It's not at all unusual for a water heater to be in part of the living space. IME, most water heaters are located in the garage, where it makes sense for the gas burner to be 18" off the floor to keep it from igniting the gas leaking from your parked car (as if anyone has room to actually park a car in the garage), or your gas grill cylinder. The 18" requirement in garages has been around for a lot longer than 8 years when that home was built. -- Grandpa What is that dripping from my fingers? Why it looks like time. |
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Natural gas is lighter than air.....
Propane is heavier In earthquake prone areas HT tanks must be firmly attached to the building lest they fall over and hurt someone in a quake. |
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Grandpa wrote: Did the OP give any indication that the contract had anything requiring the house to be fully updated to current code, even if nothing in the municipal code requires it? Did you ever see such a thing in a home purchase contract? The seller would have to be a total moron to sign such a thing. Homes are sold ever day that don't have insulation that would be required today, or the electric service capacity required today. The OP stated that the inspector griped about the water heater; if the purchase contract was pending the correction of the results of the inspection, then yes itcould be considered in the contract. You projected bringing everything up to code which is not what I'm trying to talk about. I projected bringing everything up to code? This is what you posted: Actually, the buyer can ask for anything they want, and if it gets into the purchase contract, then they can require it. That could include updating to code, if in the buyer's mind the item in question was never to code. Just what the apparently novice inspector has wrought. But the fact is, if the buyer puts it in the contract and the seller accepts it, then yes the whole house could have to be brought up to code. Smart buyer, foolish seller syndrome. And there you go posting the same thing again, as if once isn't enough and claiming you never said it. Have you ever seen a contract where the seller was required to rebuild the house to the code requirements of today, as opposed to when it was built? A variance for a water heater that could just have a 18" stand placed under it? Yes, this is apparently a townhome, lots of homes by one builder at a time, save on production costs, get a variance; happens all the time. BS First, most builiding inspectors aren't gonna waive code, just cause someone doesn't like it. Second, it wouldn't be worth the time and effort to avoid putting the freaking water heater on a simple stand. |
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Steve Barker LT wrote:
the 18 inch rule only applies to a garage installation. Per the 2000 IRC. Well, that's a relief! I live in Gwinnett Co., GA, and I just had a new water heater installed, which is *sitting on the floor* of the unfinished regular sized room next to my garage. There is no room between floor and heater which kind of bothered me. :\ bj |
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The HWH is placed on concrete blocks set upright. They
are exactly 18 inches. MaryL Concrete blocks are a nominal 16 inches, and to allow for the mortar joint, they are actually built 15 5/8 inches in length. -- Dennis |
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"DT" wrote in message ... The HWH is placed on concrete blocks set upright. They are exactly 18 inches. MaryL Concrete blocks are a nominal 16 inches, and to allow for the mortar joint, they are actually built 15 5/8 inches in length. -- Dennis You made me curious, so I just checked...and you're right. So, my HWH is sitting on four upright concrete blocks, and I now know it is *almost* 18" (despite what the plumber told me). MaryL |
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DT wrote: The HWH is placed on concrete blocks set upright. They are exactly 18 inches. MaryL Concrete blocks are a nominal 16 inches, and to allow for the mortar joint, they are actually built 15 5/8 inches in length. -- Dennis Just call your local building inspector for your town and ask. I think it just applies to garages. |
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