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We remodelled our bathroom (home built in 73) last year in june. There
was linoleum flooring in the bathroom about 24 square feet that was removed as well as the ductwork that we cut a piece of that contained asbestos. We didn't know at that time and therefore no precaution was taken. After a month or so i found out that the the duct work contained asbestos and the linoleum may also have so i had some professionals come in and vacuum my house with a HEPA vacuum. I'm now so scared that the asbestos may still be in my house, on my clothes in my closets, on our beds etc. I have a two year old in the house and I'm scared to death. I feel I have jeapordized his health. I'm literally obsessed by these thoughts and can't think of anything else. My husband is totally oblivious to this. Even last year when I got the house vacuumed he thought i was over reacting to the situation. What should I do now? is my house totally contaminated? I need help!!!!!! |
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On 15 Jun 2006 09:41:20 -0700, "uz" wrote:
We remodelled our bathroom (home built in 73) last year in june. There was linoleum flooring in the bathroom about 24 square feet that was removed as well as the ductwork that we cut a piece of that contained asbestos. We didn't know at that time and therefore no precaution was taken. After a month or so i found out that the the duct work contained asbestos and the linoleum may also have so i had some professionals come in and vacuum my house with a HEPA vacuum. I'm now so scared that the asbestos may still be in my house, on my clothes in my closets, on our beds etc. I have a two year old in the house and I'm scared to death. I feel I have jeapordized his health. I'm literally obsessed by these thoughts and can't think of anything else. My husband is totally oblivious to this. Even last year when I got the house vacuumed he thought i was over reacting to the situation. What should I do now? is my house totally contaminated? I need help!!!!!! I'd cover every surface with new paint, tile or whatever. I'd wash all clothes and I'd dry clean those that can't be washed. I'd buy a good hepa filter - about $400. Then, I'd relax and enjoy what little life I may have left. |
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For decades people didn't know a thing about asbestos and it was everywhere.
Almost all are still alive. Asbestos workers, particularly ones who smoked and worked in clouds of asbestos dust, are the ones who had most of the problems. If you did not sand the floor off you probably didn't cause much of an issue. Who knows what was done in the house before you even moved in. That should give you something to really worry about. We used to play with mercury when I was a kid. Last week they closed a school and homes because kids found mercury to play with. What about the homes me and my kid friends used mercury in when we were kids. Shouldn't all homes be checked? I would thoroughly vaccuum and if still worried, call in a company that checks for asbestos contamination. But if you find it, when you go to sell, in most states you have to report it. By the way, what about the rest of your duct work. If the asbestos is flaking and in your ductwork, your air is blowing by it right now. "uz" wrote in message oups.com... We remodelled our bathroom (home built in 73) last year in june. There was linoleum flooring in the bathroom about 24 square feet that was removed as well as the ductwork that we cut a piece of that contained asbestos. We didn't know at that time and therefore no precaution was taken. After a month or so i found out that the the duct work contained asbestos and the linoleum may also have so i had some professionals come in and vacuum my house with a HEPA vacuum. I'm now so scared that the asbestos may still be in my house, on my clothes in my closets, on our beds etc. I have a two year old in the house and I'm scared to death. I feel I have jeapordized his health. I'm literally obsessed by these thoughts and can't think of anything else. My husband is totally oblivious to this. Even last year when I got the house vacuumed he thought i was over reacting to the situation. What should I do now? is my house totally contaminated? I need help!!!!!! |
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uz wrote:
We remodelled our bathroom (home built in 73) last year in june. There was linoleum flooring in the bathroom about 24 square feet that was removed as well as the ductwork that we cut a piece of that contained asbestos. We didn't know at that time and therefore no precaution was taken. After a month or so i found out that the the duct work contained asbestos and the linoleum may also have so i had some professionals come in and vacuum my house with a HEPA vacuum. I'm now so scared that the asbestos may still be in my house, on my clothes in my closets, on our beds etc. I have a two year old in the house and I'm scared to death. I feel I have jeapordized his health. I'm literally obsessed by these thoughts and can't think of anything else. My husband is totally oblivious to this. Even last year when I got the house vacuumed he thought i was over reacting to the situation. What should I do now? Pay attention to your husband. -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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uz wrote: We remodelled our bathroom (home built in 73) last year in june. There was linoleum flooring in the bathroom about 24 square feet that was removed as well as the ductwork that we cut a piece of that contained asbestos. We didn't know at that time and therefore no precaution was taken. After a month or so i found out that the the duct work contained asbestos and the linoleum may also have so i had some professionals come in and vacuum my house with a HEPA vacuum. I'm now so scared that the asbestos may still be in my house, on my clothes in my closets, on our beds etc. I have a two year old in the house and I'm scared to death. I feel I have jeapordized his health. I'm literally obsessed by these thoughts and can't think of anything else. My husband is totally oblivious to this. Even last year when I got the house vacuumed he thought i was over reacting to the situation. What should I do now? Pay attention to your husband. Also, there is no asbestos in linoleum. As far as your ducts go, exactly where and in what form was the "asbestos"? As far as fear goes, would it help to know that asbestos doesn't cut down people like the grim reaper's scythe? That it takes years of heavy, pretty much continuous exposure to loose particles to be detrimental (if then)? -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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Art thanks for your reassuring reply. We got the duct work changed as
soon as we found out and got an asbestos abatement company to do it. They even did air samples after the duct work was taken out and it was found at .002/cubic or something which was considered as equivalent to ambient air levels which i believe is normal in the air. Anyway thanks again for your reassuring reply. Art wrote: For decades people didn't know a thing about asbestos and it was everywhere. Almost all are still alive. Asbestos workers, particularly ones who smoked and worked in clouds of asbestos dust, are the ones who had most of the problems. If you did not sand the floor off you probably didn't cause much of an issue. Who knows what was done in the house before you even moved in. That should give you something to really worry about. We used to play with mercury when I was a kid. Last week they closed a school and homes because kids found mercury to play with. What about the homes me and my kid friends used mercury in when we were kids. Shouldn't all homes be checked? I would thoroughly vaccuum and if still worried, call in a company that checks for asbestos contamination. But if you find it, when you go to sell, in most states you have to report it. By the way, what about the rest of your duct work. If the asbestos is flaking and in your ductwork, your air is blowing by it right now. "uz" wrote in message oups.com... We remodelled our bathroom (home built in 73) last year in june. There was linoleum flooring in the bathroom about 24 square feet that was removed as well as the ductwork that we cut a piece of that contained asbestos. We didn't know at that time and therefore no precaution was taken. After a month or so i found out that the the duct work contained asbestos and the linoleum may also have so i had some professionals come in and vacuum my house with a HEPA vacuum. I'm now so scared that the asbestos may still be in my house, on my clothes in my closets, on our beds etc. I have a two year old in the house and I'm scared to death. I feel I have jeapordized his health. I'm literally obsessed by these thoughts and can't think of anything else. My husband is totally oblivious to this. Even last year when I got the house vacuumed he thought i was over reacting to the situation. What should I do now? is my house totally contaminated? I need help!!!!!! |
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DK wrote:
On 15 Jun 2006 09:41:20 -0700, "uz" wrote: We remodelled our bathroom (home built in 73) last year in june. There was linoleum flooring in the bathroom about 24 square feet that was removed as well as the ductwork that we cut a piece of that contained asbestos. We didn't know at that time and therefore no precaution was taken. After a month or so i found out that the the duct work contained asbestos and the linoleum may also have so i had some professionals come in and vacuum my house with a HEPA vacuum. I'm now so scared that the asbestos may still be in my house, on my clothes in my closets, on our beds etc. I have a two year old in the house and I'm scared to death. I feel I have jeapordized his health. I'm literally obsessed by these thoughts and can't think of anything else. My husband is totally oblivious to this. Even last year when I got the house vacuumed he thought i was over reacting to the situation. What should I do now? is my house totally contaminated? I need help!!!!!! I'd cover every surface with new paint, tile or whatever. I'd wash all clothes and I'd dry clean those that can't be washed. I'd buy a good hepa filter - about $400. Then, I'd relax and enjoy what little life I may have left. Did you go to school in the 1950s? Every school had asbestos pipe insulation and some even had asbestos in the ceiling tiles. Like radon, asbestos is one of those scare words that makes otherwise sane people freak out and do foolish things. Since we're not dying by the millions from asbestos-related lung diseases, I suspect the threat from this substance is highly exaggerated. IOW, quit worrying, be happy. |
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I went to school in the '50s. We were given loose asbestos powder to mix
with water to make modeling material for art class. I can also remember removing an old gravity hot air furnace from our house and stripping off all the asbestos paper that the pipes were wrapped in. I am still alive, 65, with good lungs. Don't worry, if you have cleaned up, vacuumed and generally kept a clean house there is nothing to worry about. The floor covering MAY have had asbestos but it would have been sealed in the vinyl, nothing to escape. The duct may have released some, but your cleaning would have removed the dust. Don't fret about the baby, we all lived through much worse before they decided it was bad for you. "Tim Killian" wrote in message . .. DK wrote: On 15 Jun 2006 09:41:20 -0700, "uz" wrote: We remodelled our bathroom (home built in 73) last year in june. There was linoleum flooring in the bathroom about 24 square feet that was removed as well as the ductwork that we cut a piece of that contained asbestos. We didn't know at that time and therefore no precaution was taken. After a month or so i found out that the the duct work contained asbestos and the linoleum may also have so i had some professionals come in and vacuum my house with a HEPA vacuum. I'm now so scared that the asbestos may still be in my house, on my clothes in my closets, on our beds etc. I have a two year old in the house and I'm scared to death. I feel I have jeapordized his health. I'm literally obsessed by these thoughts and can't think of anything else. My husband is totally oblivious to this. Even last year when I got the house vacuumed he thought i was over reacting to the situation. What should I do now? is my house totally contaminated? I need help!!!!!! I'd cover every surface with new paint, tile or whatever. I'd wash all clothes and I'd dry clean those that can't be washed. I'd buy a good hepa filter - about $400. Then, I'd relax and enjoy what little life I may have left. Did you go to school in the 1950s? Every school had asbestos pipe insulation and some even had asbestos in the ceiling tiles. Like radon, asbestos is one of those scare words that makes otherwise sane people freak out and do foolish things. Since we're not dying by the millions from asbestos-related lung diseases, I suspect the threat from this substance is highly exaggerated. IOW, quit worrying, be happy. |
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EXT thanks for yet another reassuring reply. I didn't go to school in
the 50s but i also remember using asbestos sheets over burners for chemistry experiments in the late 70s in school. I guess I worry more because of my baby and what I may have put him through but you're right so many people up until a couple of decades ago were exposed to it before they decided it was bad for us. thanks again for the reassuring words. EXT wrote: I went to school in the '50s. We were given loose asbestos powder to mix with water to make modeling material for art class. I can also remember removing an old gravity hot air furnace from our house and stripping off all the asbestos paper that the pipes were wrapped in. I am still alive, 65, with good lungs. Don't worry, if you have cleaned up, vacuumed and generally kept a clean house there is nothing to worry about. The floor covering MAY have had asbestos but it would have been sealed in the vinyl, nothing to escape. The duct may have released some, but your cleaning would have removed the dust. Don't fret about the baby, we all lived through much worse before they decided it was bad for you. "Tim Killian" wrote in message . .. DK wrote: On 15 Jun 2006 09:41:20 -0700, "uz" wrote: We remodelled our bathroom (home built in 73) last year in june. There was linoleum flooring in the bathroom about 24 square feet that was removed as well as the ductwork that we cut a piece of that contained asbestos. We didn't know at that time and therefore no precaution was taken. After a month or so i found out that the the duct work contained asbestos and the linoleum may also have so i had some professionals come in and vacuum my house with a HEPA vacuum. I'm now so scared that the asbestos may still be in my house, on my clothes in my closets, on our beds etc. I have a two year old in the house and I'm scared to death. I feel I have jeapordized his health. I'm literally obsessed by these thoughts and can't think of anything else. My husband is totally oblivious to this. Even last year when I got the house vacuumed he thought i was over reacting to the situation. What should I do now? is my house totally contaminated? I need help!!!!!! I'd cover every surface with new paint, tile or whatever. I'd wash all clothes and I'd dry clean those that can't be washed. I'd buy a good hepa filter - about $400. Then, I'd relax and enjoy what little life I may have left. Did you go to school in the 1950s? Every school had asbestos pipe insulation and some even had asbestos in the ceiling tiles. Like radon, asbestos is one of those scare words that makes otherwise sane people freak out and do foolish things. Since we're not dying by the millions from asbestos-related lung diseases, I suspect the threat from this substance is highly exaggerated. IOW, quit worrying, be happy. |
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"uz" wrote in message oups.com... We remodelled our bathroom (home built in 73) last year in june. There was linoleum flooring in the bathroom about 24 square feet that was removed as well as the ductwork that we cut a piece of that contained asbestos. We didn't know at that time and therefore no precaution was taken. After a month or so i found out that the the duct work contained asbestos and the linoleum may also have so i had some professionals come in and vacuum my house with a HEPA vacuum. I'm now so scared that the asbestos may still be in my house, on my clothes in my closets, on our beds etc. I have a two year old in the house and I'm scared to death. I feel I have jeapordized his health. I'm literally obsessed by these thoughts and can't think of anything else. My husband is totally oblivious to this. Even last year when I got the house vacuumed he thought i was over reacting to the situation. What should I do now? is my house totally contaminated? I need help!!!!!! Yes, you do! Make an appointment with a psychologist immediately. The asbestos is not a big deal, and you are making one out of it. Now, what to do about the asbestos: Asbestos is dangerous when inhaled. It gets into the air usually during construction or demolition, and looks like dust or little slivers of light floating. Once the dust settles, it just sits there until disturbed. Hiring a cleaning crew would be the best thing. After they remove any loose dust, the rest will go away as you wash clothes, dust things, etc. Get a couple of good air purifiers, as they are just a good thing anyway to remove dust and pollen. You had a small bathroom rebuilt. If you had your living, dining, and family rooms and hallway all worked on, I would be a little more concerned. You are wise to be careful. But just have it cleaned, go see your shrink and find out why you reacted so strongly, and don't worry because it's not really a big deal. Your behavior is a tipoff. This time it is a little asbestos. Next time it will be whatever is on Oprah or 48 hours, or whatever. Be sure, be safe. But you have a much higher chance of an airliner falling on your house than getting significant asbestos exposure from a house built in the 70s. Steve |
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Art wrote:
For decades people didn't know a thing about asbestos and it was everywhere. Almost all are still alive. Asbestos workers, particularly ones who smoked and worked in clouds of asbestos dust, are the ones who had most of the problems. Nope. Not even those who replaced asbestos brake pads all day long for years. The only occupational group that was ever affected were asbestos miners. |
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uz wrote: We remodelled our bathroom (home built in 73) last year in june. There was linoleum flooring in the bathroom about 24 square feet that was removed as well as the ductwork that we cut a piece of that contained asbestos. We didn't know at that time and therefore no precaution was taken. After a month or so i found out that the the duct work contained asbestos and the linoleum may also have so i had some professionals come in and vacuum my house with a HEPA vacuum. I'm now so scared that the asbestos may still be in my house, on my clothes in my closets, on our beds etc. I have a two year old in the house and I'm scared to death. I feel I have jeapordized his health. I'm literally obsessed by these thoughts and can't think of anything else. My husband is totally oblivious to this. Even last year when I got the house vacuumed he thought i was over reacting to the situation. What should I do now? is my house totally contaminated? I need help!!!!!! That can be taken various ways. First, relax. If you ever thought you were perfectly secure, it ain't so. USCG has done and published many studies on the dangers of asbestos. Distilled: particles from about 1/2 to about 1.5 micron across can get into the lungs and not be expelled. To be exposed to much of that, you need to be breaking up dry asbestos. Simple water spray reduces concentration of such particles to zero. Again, relax. You're going to die from something, and it should be enjoyable, not result from hypertension. J |
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"HeyBub" wrote in message ... Art wrote: For decades people didn't know a thing about asbestos and it was everywhere. Almost all are still alive. Asbestos workers, particularly ones who smoked and worked in clouds of asbestos dust, are the ones who had most of the problems. Nope. Not even those who replaced asbestos brake pads all day long for years. The only occupational group that was ever affected were asbestos miners. Those are the only ones who won the big law suits. But my wife's uncle just died of asbestos lung disease.... he worked around it in a factory for 30 years. |
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Guy Aerts wrote:
On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:16:39 GMT, "dadiOH" wrote: dadiOH wrote: Also, there is no asbestos in linoleum. Actually, there was, and in vinyl flooring too. The Vinyl stuff was usually labeled as VAT, for "Vinyl-Asbestos Tile" Linoleum is made of linseed oil and wood (or cork) powder applied over a backing. You know something that says otherwise? -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ....a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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The NEXT biggie will be treated wood with guys in moon suits removing
it........... Heck the feds are mandating scrubbers on bakeries because the smell of bread baking is supoposedly dangerous.......... Anyone who smokes today is a complete fool |
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Flat assed wrong. Shipyard workers who worked on lots of Navy ships from
the '30s to the '70s. -- Jim McLaughlin Reply address is deliberately munged. If you really need to reply directly, try: jimdotmclaughlinatcomcastdotcom And you know it is a dotnet not a dotcom address. "HeyBub" wrote in message ... Art wrote: For decades people didn't know a thing about asbestos and it was everywhere. Almost all are still alive. Asbestos workers, particularly ones who smoked and worked in clouds of asbestos dust, are the ones who had most of the problems. Nope. Not even those who replaced asbestos brake pads all day long for years. The only occupational group that was ever affected were asbestos miners. |
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What's really funny is that people run around wearing asbestos everyday and
admire how beautiful it is. One form of asbestos worn frequently as jewelry is Tiger's Eye. I just love trotting that out and watching people's eyes goggle. I'm a lapidary and I do take extra precautions when cutting asbestos containing stones. Once polished and set though, they are perfectly safe. Well, they are safe in the rough form too but grinding can lead to problems. "uz" wrote in message oups.com... EXT thanks for yet another reassuring reply. I didn't go to school in the 50s but i also remember using asbestos sheets over burners for chemistry experiments in the late 70s in school. I guess I worry more because of my baby and what I may have put him through but you're right so many people up until a couple of decades ago were exposed to it before they decided it was bad for us. thanks again for the reassuring words. EXT wrote: I went to school in the '50s. We were given loose asbestos powder to mix with water to make modeling material for art class. I can also remember removing an old gravity hot air furnace from our house and stripping off all the asbestos paper that the pipes were wrapped in. I am still alive, 65, with good lungs. Don't worry, if you have cleaned up, vacuumed and generally kept a clean house there is nothing to worry about. The floor covering MAY have had asbestos but it would have been sealed in the vinyl, nothing to escape. The duct may have released some, but your cleaning would have removed the dust. Don't fret about the baby, we all lived through much worse before they decided it was bad for you. "Tim Killian" wrote in message . .. DK wrote: On 15 Jun 2006 09:41:20 -0700, "uz" wrote: We remodelled our bathroom (home built in 73) last year in june. There was linoleum flooring in the bathroom about 24 square feet that was removed as well as the ductwork that we cut a piece of that contained asbestos. We didn't know at that time and therefore no precaution was taken. After a month or so i found out that the the duct work contained asbestos and the linoleum may also have so i had some professionals come in and vacuum my house with a HEPA vacuum. I'm now so scared that the asbestos may still be in my house, on my clothes in my closets, on our beds etc. I have a two year old in the house and I'm scared to death. I feel I have jeapordized his health. I'm literally obsessed by these thoughts and can't think of anything else. My husband is totally oblivious to this. Even last year when I got the house vacuumed he thought i was over reacting to the situation. What should I do now? is my house totally contaminated? I need help!!!!!! I'd cover every surface with new paint, tile or whatever. I'd wash all clothes and I'd dry clean those that can't be washed. I'd buy a good hepa filter - about $400. Then, I'd relax and enjoy what little life I may have left. Did you go to school in the 1950s? Every school had asbestos pipe insulation and some even had asbestos in the ceiling tiles. Like radon, asbestos is one of those scare words that makes otherwise sane people freak out and do foolish things. Since we're not dying by the millions from asbestos-related lung diseases, I suspect the threat from this substance is highly exaggerated. IOW, quit worrying, be happy. |
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On 15 Jun 2006 09:41:20 -0700, "uz" wrote:
What should I do now? is my house totally contaminated? I need help!!!!!! 5 gallons of gas and a match should solve your problem quite nicely. |
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Lots of people use the term linoleum incorrectly and are referring to much
more popular floor covering containing asbestos. "dadiOH" wrote in message news:_ikkg.17329$Bj6.5639@trnddc08... Guy Aerts wrote: On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:16:39 GMT, "dadiOH" wrote: dadiOH wrote: Also, there is no asbestos in linoleum. Actually, there was, and in vinyl flooring too. The Vinyl stuff was usually labeled as VAT, for "Vinyl-Asbestos Tile" Linoleum is made of linseed oil and wood (or cork) powder applied over a backing. You know something that says otherwise? -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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"HeyBub" wrote in message ... Art wrote: For decades people didn't know a thing about asbestos and it was everywhere. Almost all are still alive. Asbestos workers, particularly ones who smoked and worked in clouds of asbestos dust, are the ones who had most of the problems. Nope. Not even those who replaced asbestos brake pads all day long for years. The only occupational group that was ever affected were asbestos miners. insulators who installed and replaced pipe insulation got messed up by it too. |
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On 15 Jun 2006 09:41:20 -0700, "uz" wrote:
We remodelled our bathroom (home built in 73) last year in june. There was linoleum flooring in the bathroom about 24 square feet that was removed as well as the ductwork that we cut a piece of that contained asbestos. We didn't know at that time and therefore no precaution was taken. After a month or so i found out that the the duct work contained asbestos and the linoleum may also have so i had some professionals come in and vacuum my house with a HEPA vacuum. I'm now so scared that the asbestos may still be in my house, on my clothes in my closets, on our beds etc. I have a two year old in the house and I'm scared to death. I feel I have jeapordized his health. I'm literally obsessed by these thoughts and can't think of anything else. My husband is totally oblivious to this. Even last year when I got the house vacuumed he thought i was over reacting to the situation. What should I do now? is my house totally contaminated? I need help!!!!!! You have bo choice now. You must burn the house and everything inside. Then take a gun and commit suicide and kill everyone else that has ever entered that house. |
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 16:50:19 GMT, DK wrote:
I'd cover every surface with new paint, tile or whatever. I'd wash I wouldn't paint or tile. I would wash off the surfaces, or dust with a damp rag or something that would use static to hold the dust in place. I might wear an asbestos effective dust mask when doing this, and send the kid somewhere else. Then I'd open the windows, put input and output fans in them, at opposite ends of the house, and vent the house while I went shopping, or to work. It will float around, little will find anyone else because there is almost none left in the house alreadyd, and be washed into the ground by the rain. all clothes and I'd dry clean those that can't be washed. I'd buy a good hepa filter - about $400. I wonder if a toy microscope is enough to examine a filter and see if there is any asbestos on it. If not, maybe one could borrow a microcope or buy one at a pawn shop, and sell it for not much loss. But I don't think this is necessary at all. Just for the compulsive or curious. Then, I'd relax and enjoy what little life I may have left. |
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On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 15:08:38 -0500, "HeyBub"
wrote: Art wrote: For decades people didn't know a thing about asbestos and it was everywhere. Almost all are still alive. Asbestos workers, particularly ones who smoked and worked in clouds of asbestos dust, are the ones who had most of the problems. Nope. Not even those who replaced asbestos brake pads all day long for years. The only occupational group that was ever affected were asbestos miners. I believe that. It might be compared to the guano miners of Chile, who do or did go blind after a few years**. Yet millions of people walk by pigion doodoo on the sidewalk all the time without going blind. **Yet took/take the jobs anyhow, knowing they would probably? go blind, because they needed the money. |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:32:11 GMT, "Art"
wrote: Lots of people use the term linoleum incorrectly and are referring to much more popular floor covering containing asbestos. Yes, I think the standard name around Baltimore is "vinyl linoleum". It didnt' take me long to learn that the word linoleum there only means that it comes in wide sheets, unlike vinyl tile that comes in 12" or 9" squares. However I don't think vinyl anything contains asbestos anymore. When did the OP's floor go in. There used to be something called asbestos tile, and I'm pretty sure that contained asbestos. "dadiOH" wrote in message news:_ikkg.17329$Bj6.5639@trnddc08... Guy Aerts wrote: On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:16:39 GMT, "dadiOH" wrote: dadiOH wrote: Also, there is no asbestos in linoleum. Actually, there was, and in vinyl flooring too. The Vinyl stuff was usually labeled as VAT, for "Vinyl-Asbestos Tile" Linoleum is made of linseed oil and wood (or cork) powder applied over a backing. You know something that says otherwise? -- dadiOH ____________________________ dadiOH's dandies v3.06... ...a help file of info about MP3s, recording from LP/cassette and tips & tricks on this and that. Get it at http://mysite.verizon.net/xico |
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It's one of those subjects that brings out the crank in all of us- from excessively anxious to overly dismissive- just have to keep it in proportion as best as we can. |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 04:58:00 GMT, Salmon Egg
wrote: On 6/15/06 9:15 PM, in article , "mm" wrote: I believe that. It might be compared to the guano miners of Chile, who do or did go blind after a few years**. Yet millions of people walk by pigion doodoo on the sidewalk all the time without going blind. Okay, you hooked me. Why did they go blind? Because of stuff in the guano. I don't know what stuff. Do you have any reference for that? My brother. He's 7 years older than I and never wrong. He told me this 30 or 40 years ago. It's almost 5AM. If I can, tomorrow I'll look for a second source. Bill -- Ferme le Bush |
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"uz" wrote:
We remodelled our bathroom (home built in 73) last year in june. There was linoleum flooring in the bathroom about 24 square feet that was removed as well as the ductwork that we cut a piece of that contained asbestos. We didn't know at that time and therefore no precaution was taken. After a month or so i found out that the the duct work contained asbestos and the linoleum may also have so i had some professionals come in and vacuum my house with a HEPA vacuum. I'm now so scared that the asbestos may still be in my house, on my clothes in my closets, on our beds etc. I have a two year old in the house and I'm scared to death. I feel I have jeapordized his health. I'm literally obsessed by these thoughts and can't think of anything else. My husband is totally oblivious to this. Even last year when I got the house vacuumed he thought i was over reacting to the situation. What should I do now? is my house totally contaminated? I need help!!!!!! The asbestos scare has gone way out of proportion. If your house is in your opinion "contaminated" but you can't see it (there are no piles of asbestos lying about) you will probably inhale just as much fibers as you would be on a normal sunny day in traffic! But if you are still worried now is the time to quit smoking. Most people are worried about lung cancer and not asbestosis which is more directly related to asbestos. But to get asbestosis you'd have to inhale it on a regular basis for years and years. But getting back to lung cancer ... the current thinking on how asbestos fibers could cause cancer is this: the smallest asbestos fibers are so small that they may puncture cell walls without destoying the them. While asbestos itself does not contain carcinogens particles from smoking does. And if that stuff is near the punctured cell carcinogens may enter the cell and cause a mutation and cancer. |
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John wrote:
"uz" wrote: We remodelled our bathroom (home built in 73) last year in june. There was linoleum flooring in the bathroom about 24 square feet that was removed as well as the ductwork that we cut a piece of that contained asbestos. We didn't know at that time and therefore no precaution was taken. After a month or so i found out that the the duct work contained asbestos and the linoleum may also have so i had some professionals come in and vacuum my house with a HEPA vacuum. I'm now so scared that the asbestos may still be in my house, on my clothes in my closets, on our beds etc. I have a two year old in the house and I'm scared to death. I feel I have jeapordized his health. I'm literally obsessed by these thoughts and can't think of anything else. My husband is totally oblivious to this. Even last year when I got the house vacuumed he thought i was over reacting to the situation. What should I do now? is my house totally contaminated? I need help!!!!!! The asbestos scare has gone way out of proportion. If your house is in your opinion "contaminated" but you can't see it (there are no piles of asbestos lying about) you will probably inhale just as much fibers as you would be on a normal sunny day in traffic! FWIW, I grew up in a house with asbestos shingles. Never did me any harm. My mother worked for Johns-Manville, the asbestos king, in offices which were decorated almost entirely in asbestos--asbestos wallpaper, asbestos desks, asbestos upholstery, showcases for the stuff--she lived into her late '80s and as far as I know asbestos has not been associated with pancreatic cancer. On the other hand, I'd be very surprised if there were still any asbestos brake pads in service. But if you are still worried now is the time to quit smoking. Most people are worried about lung cancer and not asbestosis which is more directly related to asbestos. But to get asbestosis you'd have to inhale it on a regular basis for years and years. But getting back to lung cancer ... the current thinking on how asbestos fibers could cause cancer is this: the smallest asbestos fibers are so small that they may puncture cell walls without destoying the them. While asbestos itself does not contain carcinogens particles from smoking does. And if that stuff is near the punctured cell carcinogens may enter the cell and cause a mutation and cancer. Unfortunately the national pastime seems to be scaring ourselves to death. -- --John to email, dial "usenet" and validate (was jclarke at eye bee em dot net) |
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uz wrote: Art thanks for your reassuring reply. We got the duct work changed as soon as we found out and got an asbestos abatement company to do it. They even did air samples after the duct work was taken out and it was found at .002/cubic or something which was considered as equivalent to ambient air levels which i believe is normal in the air. Anyway thanks again for your reassuring reply. If they tested a few locations in the house (not just the work area), there's your answer. You don't have an asbestos problem in your house. The test I'm thinking of involves a leaf blower and air sample collection. It stirs up any dust. If they did something radically different, maybe you can describe it? The suggestions to paint and tile aren't helpful here. They might make sense if you were trying to cover/encapsulate materials containing asbestos, but they don't make sense since what you're worrying about is asbestos particles that may be loose in your house. Dust removal is a good idea. Wet mopping, dusting with a damp cloth, etc, all remove dust, including any possible asbestos particles that might have settled. Vacuuming stirs up dust (especially without a HEPA filter, but even with one to some extent) and is not a good idea if you're trying to reduce an asbestos contamination problem. Since the abatement company didn't detect anything above ambient, I don't see any problem with cleaning your house however you want, including vacuuming. |
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"uz" wrote in message oups.com... We remodelled our bathroom (home built in 73) last year in june. There was linoleum flooring in the bathroom about 24 square feet that was removed as well as the ductwork that we cut a piece of that contained asbestos. We didn't know at that time and therefore no precaution was taken. After a month or so i found out that the the duct work contained asbestos and the linoleum may also have so i had some professionals come in and vacuum my house with a HEPA vacuum. I'm now so scared that the asbestos may still be in my house, on my clothes in my closets, on our beds etc. I have a two year old in the house and I'm scared to death. I feel I have jeapordized his health. I'm literally obsessed by these thoughts and can't think of anything else. My husband is totally oblivious to this. Even last year when I got the house vacuumed he thought i was over reacting to the situation. What should I do now? is my house totally contaminated? I need help!!!!!! You watch to much Media, you over reacting. Most people that get Asbestoses (sp) have worked around it before the dangers were known. I will bet your wearing one of those paper dust mask. Why do so many people love dome? Look at the bright side of things. Hell the Vacuum guys are probably still laughing. Maybe Prozac is the answer |
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dadiOH wrote: Guy Aerts wrote: On Thu, 15 Jun 2006 17:16:39 GMT, "dadiOH" wrote: dadiOH wrote: Also, there is no asbestos in linoleum. Actually, there was, and in vinyl flooring too. The Vinyl stuff was usually labeled as VAT, for "Vinyl-Asbestos Tile" Linoleum is made of linseed oil and wood (or cork) powder applied over a backing. You know something that says otherwise? He is correct - there was a Tile, much like todays vinyl self adhesive tiles that were put down, extremely durable and usually used for commercial use. They did contain asbestos! To the best of my knowledge, it was never used in sheet vinyl type flooring materials, just in the tiles. As for asbestos in the home, the potential harm comes from the particles floating in the air and being breathed into the lungs and getting stuck there. This only happens while it is being disturbed. Once the asbestos was cleaned out by the abatement company, and then followed by a HEPA cleaning of the home, there should not be anything more than the equivalent of standard dusts in the home. Relax, you and your family will be just fine..... you found a problem, you've solved the problem, now, sit back relax and enjoy your home and family...! Glen |
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According to uz :
I'm literally obsessed by these thoughts and can't think of anything else. We've seen this happen to a friend of ours. Vermiculite insulation... However much everyone (including your husband ;-) tells you that asbestos isn't a big deal, and that cleaning the house with HEPA has eliminated any possible hazard, and that you should just relax, simply doesn't make the anxiety go away. Does it? It's because you can't see it, and you're not sure. I can understand that feeling (fortunately I'm not prone to it). Here's how you stop that feeling: Call a lab (look in the yellow papers under Asbestos abatement or such like), and have them do an air test. They'll install a couple of small filters in the house that will collect whatever's in the air for the next couple of months. Then, they analyze what's on the filter. It'll cost anywhere from $40-$120. When they come back to you with a report that says "zero", you'll feel much better. If it says anything other than zero, you could get it retested by _another_ company. If you end up with a reading _other_ than zero (which I HIGHLY doubt from your description), call an asbestos _consultant_ (_not_ a removal contractor) and have them review the test results. That might not cost very much at all (they might be willing to answer you over the phone based on the test numbers). And they'll tell you that there's no problem. That's what our friend did. She's not worried about it any more. [She was getting zeros from air tests. The consultant said "you don't have a problem". But, the first vermiculite test said "trace" (meaning somewhere between barely detectable and 2-3%), and that scared her. The second, more accurate, asbestos test of the vermiculite (done by another company) showed it was .1%, and we had sealed the few potential leaks. So, yeah, there were minute quantities of asbestos in some of their insulation, but it was sealed off, and air tests showed NONE of it in the air over a period of many months.]. -- Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them. |
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On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:20:41 -0400, mm
wrote: On Fri, 16 Jun 2006 00:32:11 GMT, "Art" wrote: Lots of people use the term linoleum incorrectly and are referring to much more popular floor covering containing asbestos. Yes, I think the standard name around Baltimore is "vinyl linoleum". It didnt' take me long to learn that the word linoleum there only means that it comes in wide sheets, unlike vinyl tile that comes in 12" or 9" squares. However I don't think vinyl anything contains asbestos anymore. When did the OP's floor go in. There used to be something called asbestos tile, and I'm pretty sure that contained asbestos. That's really easy to identify. If you have tile that looks like vinyl, but it throws sparks when you try to drill through it with a hole-saw, it's probably VAT. |
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Unless you want to tear your home down and start over....relax! Keep it
clean, keep the duct work cleaned,and keep your furnace filters changed. A good air purifier would be a nice touch(sharper image). Relax and enjoy your life, it goes by too quickly. charles htmlbody bgcolor="yellow" text="black"/body/html |
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There are several consequences of asbestos exposure. Chronic interstitial
lung disease generally requires prolonged exposure. Lung cancer (which typically occurs 15 or more years later) is dose related and has a strong (more than additiive) association with smoking. Mesothelioma can occur with short ( 1 - 2 year) exposures after an interval of 20 + years not peaking until 30 to 35 years after exposure. Housewives whose only contact with asbestos was laundering their spouses absestos contaminated work clothing have been afflicted. So "casual" indirect contact of this nature can cause disease. |