FEMA was in the process of providing two kinds of trailers for N.O.
and the surrounding area.

Travel Trailers, that are the kind that could be pulled by any
full-sized car. (Back when cars had frames. It wasn't necessary to
have an SUV or a truck frame to pull these little things with rounded
ends.

Bigger trailers, whose name I forget, that are meant to be hooked up
to one or more external services, like propane or something. The
pictures show that these are still pretty small.

There is a rule that the bigger trailers can not be located below the
flood plain. On one of the Sunday morning TV news shows, someone was
asked and said that was a FEMA rule. The interviewer asked if the
rule could be changed, but somehow the question was never answered.
What is the basis of the rule?

Now, some or most or almost all of these bigger trailers have been put
into storage, in Arkansas or somewhere, and according to other news
stories, they are already damaged and may not ever be able to be used.
According to one story, they were stored too close together, and are
now sinking into the ground (whenever it rains?).

There are iirc 30,000 larger trailers, worth more than 300 million
dollars.

My speculation. A) They can't be located on land below the flood
plain, because they can't be moved that quickly and will get ruined if
there is another flood. However they are gettin ruined anyhow.

B) They couldn't be located on higher land because of NIMBY, people
didn't want several of these things in the park across the street.

C) They could have been located in the driveway or yard of the person
who was homeless, so that he would be close to his property, and could
start rebuilding, or at least salvaging, cleaning, and/or
destruction.. But what property was most likely to have damaged by
the Katrina flooding? That which is below the flood plain, of course.

So either they ordered the wrong type of trailer. They should have
ordered more travel trailers.
OR
There were no more travel trailers to buy, but having ordered the
bigger trailers, they should have and should still allow them to be
used below the flood plain, since they're going to be worthless in a
couple years either way. and there might not be another flood in the
same place for years.

--end speculation--

If they had used plywood below the trailers when they stored them,
would that have kept them from sinking into the ground?


Please, I would be interested in answers to any of these questions or
comments on any part of this post.

Although this relates to the news, it is actually on topic, I think.

Remove NOPSAM to email me. Please let
me know if you have posted also.

Who care's about your opinion regarding FEMA's handling of trailers. You
probably should be some where like Alt.Rec.Vehicles, who cares!!!!

Tom


"mm" wrote in message
...
FEMA was in the process of providing two kinds of trailers for N.O.
and the surrounding area.

Travel Trailers, that are the kind that could be pulled by any
full-sized car. (Back when cars had frames. It wasn't necessary to
have an SUV or a truck frame to pull these little things with rounded
ends.

Bigger trailers, whose name I forget, that are meant to be hooked up
to one or more external services, like propane or something. The
pictures show that these are still pretty small.

There is a rule that the bigger trailers can not be located below the
flood plain. On one of the Sunday morning TV news shows, someone was
asked and said that was a FEMA rule. The interviewer asked if the
rule could be changed, but somehow the question was never answered.
What is the basis of the rule?

Now, some or most or almost all of these bigger trailers have been put
into storage, in Arkansas or somewhere, and according to other news
stories, they are already damaged and may not ever be able to be used.
According to one story, they were stored too close together, and are
now sinking into the ground (whenever it rains?).

There are iirc 30,000 larger trailers, worth more than 300 million
dollars.

My speculation. A) They can't be located on land below the flood
plain, because they can't be moved that quickly and will get ruined if
there is another flood. However they are gettin ruined anyhow.

B) They couldn't be located on higher land because of NIMBY, people
didn't want several of these things in the park across the street.

C) They could have been located in the driveway or yard of the person
who was homeless, so that he would be close to his property, and could
start rebuilding, or at least salvaging, cleaning, and/or
destruction.. But what property was most likely to have damaged by
the Katrina flooding? That which is below the flood plain, of course.

So either they ordered the wrong type of trailer. They should have
ordered more travel trailers.
OR
There were no more travel trailers to buy, but having ordered the
bigger trailers, they should have and should still allow them to be
used below the flood plain, since they're going to be worthless in a
couple years either way. and there might not be another flood in the
same place for years.

--end speculation--

If they had used plywood below the trailers when they stored them,
would that have kept them from sinking into the ground?


Please, I would be interested in answers to any of these questions or
comments on any part of this post.

Although this relates to the news, it is actually on topic, I think.

Remove NOPSAM to email me. Please let
me know if you have posted also.

I CARE! WHILE HOMELESS PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING THE BIG WHEELS DONT HELP!

I saw the sunday morning show, the idiot fema guy whjo was in charge
during katrina and should of been fired was smoke and mirrors the real
issues

in a big disaster, the fema trailers should go anywhere needed,
including the affected folks driveways.

new orleans is a great example of government stupidity. the leeves
should of been maintained better

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:52:23 -0600, "twfsa" wrote:

Who care's about your opinion regarding FEMA's handling of trailers

What opinions did I give? I gave facts to the best that I know them,
I gave speculations, and I asked questions.

. You
probably should be some where like Alt.Rec.Vehicles, who cares!!!!

I appreciate the suggestion, but I don't want to read another group,
this is within the range of subjects discussed here, and the larger
trailers are not recreational vehicles.

I understand that you don't know enough to comment on the issues I
raised, After all, I don't think you've ever tried to answer anyone
else's questions either. But please don't give me a hard time.

Tom


"mm" wrote in message
.. .
FEMA was in the process of providing two kinds of trailers for N.O.
and the surrounding area.

Travel Trailers, that are the kind that could be pulled by any
full-sized car. (Back when cars had frames. It wasn't necessary to
have an SUV or a truck frame to pull these little things with rounded
ends.

Bigger trailers, whose name I forget, that are meant to be hooked up
to one or more external services, like propane or something. The
pictures show that these are still pretty small.

There is a rule that the bigger trailers can not be located below the
flood plain. On one of the Sunday morning TV news shows, someone was
asked and said that was a FEMA rule. The interviewer asked if the
rule could be changed, but somehow the question was never answered.
What is the basis of the rule?

Now, some or most or almost all of these bigger trailers have been put
into storage, in Arkansas or somewhere, and according to other news
stories, they are already damaged and may not ever be able to be used.
According to one story, they were stored too close together, and are
now sinking into the ground (whenever it rains?).

There are iirc 30,000 larger trailers, worth more than 300 million
dollars.

My speculation. A) They can't be located on land below the flood
plain, because they can't be moved that quickly and will get ruined if
there is another flood. However they are gettin ruined anyhow.

B) They couldn't be located on higher land because of NIMBY, people
didn't want several of these things in the park across the street.

C) They could have been located in the driveway or yard of the person
who was homeless, so that he would be close to his property, and could
start rebuilding, or at least salvaging, cleaning, and/or
destruction.. But what property was most likely to have damaged by
the Katrina flooding? That which is below the flood plain, of course.

So either they ordered the wrong type of trailer. They should have
ordered more travel trailers.
OR
There were no more travel trailers to buy, but having ordered the
bigger trailers, they should have and should still allow them to be
used below the flood plain, since they're going to be worthless in a
couple years either way. and there might not be another flood in the
same place for years.

--end speculation--

If they had used plywood below the trailers when they stored them,
would that have kept them from sinking into the ground?


Please, I would be interested in answers to any of these questions or
comments on any part of this post.

Although this relates to the news, it is actually on topic, I think.

Remove NOPSAM to email me. Please let
me know if you have posted also.

Alt.home.repair hummmmm so lets talk politics, Hey AL,Gore and John Kerry
lost the election, if you want to discuss your hot water heater or your
plugged up toilet that's great but forget politics. This is not the place to
discuss how the government is run! Or your views regarding politics.

Tom


"mm" wrote in message
...
On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 17:52:23 -0600, "twfsa" wrote:

Who care's about your opinion regarding FEMA's handling of trailers

What opinions did I give? I gave facts to the best that I know them,
I gave speculations, and I asked questions.

. You
probably should be some where like Alt.Rec.Vehicles, who cares!!!!

I appreciate the suggestion, but I don't want to read another group,
this is within the range of subjects discussed here, and the larger
trailers are not recreational vehicles.

I understand that you don't know enough to comment on the issues I
raised, After all, I don't think you've ever tried to answer anyone
else's questions either. But please don't give me a hard time.

Tom


"mm" wrote in message
. ..
FEMA was in the process of providing two kinds of trailers for N.O.
and the surrounding area.

Travel Trailers, that are the kind that could be pulled by any
full-sized car. (Back when cars had frames. It wasn't necessary to
have an SUV or a truck frame to pull these little things with rounded
ends.

Bigger trailers, whose name I forget, that are meant to be hooked up
to one or more external services, like propane or something. The
pictures show that these are still pretty small.

There is a rule that the bigger trailers can not be located below the
flood plain. On one of the Sunday morning TV news shows, someone was
asked and said that was a FEMA rule. The interviewer asked if the
rule could be changed, but somehow the question was never answered.
What is the basis of the rule?

Now, some or most or almost all of these bigger trailers have been put
into storage, in Arkansas or somewhere, and according to other news
stories, they are already damaged and may not ever be able to be used.
According to one story, they were stored too close together, and are
now sinking into the ground (whenever it rains?).

There are iirc 30,000 larger trailers, worth more than 300 million
dollars.

My speculation. A) They can't be located on land below the flood
plain, because they can't be moved that quickly and will get ruined if
there is another flood. However they are gettin ruined anyhow.

B) They couldn't be located on higher land because of NIMBY, people
didn't want several of these things in the park across the street.

C) They could have been located in the driveway or yard of the person
who was homeless, so that he would be close to his property, and could
start rebuilding, or at least salvaging, cleaning, and/or
destruction.. But what property was most likely to have damaged by
the Katrina flooding? That which is below the flood plain, of course.

So either they ordered the wrong type of trailer. They should have
ordered more travel trailers.
OR
There were no more travel trailers to buy, but having ordered the
bigger trailers, they should have and should still allow them to be
used below the flood plain, since they're going to be worthless in a
couple years either way. and there might not be another flood in the
same place for years.

--end speculation--

If they had used plywood below the trailers when they stored them,
would that have kept them from sinking into the ground?


Please, I would be interested in answers to any of these questions or
comments on any part of this post.

Although this relates to the news, it is actually on topic, I think.

Remove NOPSAM to email me. Please let
me know if you have posted also.

FEMA was in the process of providing two kinds of trailers for N.O.
and the surrounding area.

snip

Are the units on towable trailors? Can I back my truck up to one, hook it up
and tow one out of there? If so, when's the auction? I'll take two please.

dirt farmer wrote:

FEMA was in the process of providing two kinds of trailers for N.O.
and the surrounding area.


snip

Are the units on towable trailors? Can I back my truck up to one, hook it up
and tow one out of there? If so, when's the auction? I'll take two please.

According to the national news reports, FEMA will pay to
have them cut up and removed. They are mired in mud and the
frames are bent beyond repair.

Folks, pay attention! We as a country are going to be in
bad shape if we succeed in moving all emergency services
to/under government control. I served as a volunteer
fireman in my younger years and I'm appalled to see what now
passes as firefighting. In the past year I have seen minor
house fires that became total loses while the paperwork and
protocol was completed before the first hose was pulled off
the truck. $3000 for a residential fire suppression
sprinkler system is a damn good investment around here.

-larry / dallas

On Sat, 25 Feb 2006 18:47:07 -0800, dirt farmer
wrote:

FEMA was in the process of providing two kinds of trailers for N.O.
and the surrounding area.

snip

Are the units on towable trailors? Can I back my truck up to one, hook it up
and tow one out of there? If so, when's the auction? I'll take two please.


The trailers that were initially supplied by FEMA were actual travel
trailers that they bought from dealers and are meant to be towed as a
way of life.

The second wave of trailers are trailers that were made to FEMA's
specifications. They are not nearly as well made and I think will
fall apart if they are moved very far. They were meant to be put in
place and provide a home in that one spot until no longer needed.
They don't have waste holding tanks and are only meant to be hooked up
to city sewage lines or a homeowners septic system.