Electrical Service Box Question & Half Thick Circuit Breakers ?
 

Hello:

For new electrical service boxes:

Are they "generally" constructed to take either two of the half-thickness
breakers or a single full
thickness one ? I guess I am asking if the slot positions are generally
designed for either the two, or one, but you don't have an option ?

How about the older ones; how were they designed ?

Is there any disadvantage to the half-thick circuit breakers ?

Thanks,
B.

Electrical Service Box Question & Half Thick Circuit Breakers ?
 

"Robert11" wrote in message
...
Hello:

For new electrical service boxes:

Are they "generally" constructed to take either two of the half-thickness
breakers or a single full
thickness one ? I guess I am asking if the slot positions are generally
designed for either the two, or one, but you don't have an option ?

How about the older ones; how were they designed ?

Is there any disadvantage to the half-thick circuit breakers ?

Thanks,
B.





It varies by manufacturer. There is usually a label inside the panel or the
panel cover stating what breakers the panel is approved for. If you are
shopping for an electrical panel you might see a designation on the box that
reads 20/24 or 30/40 or something like that. In the case of a 30/40 it
would interpret as 30 full size breakers total or if you want 40 circuits
you can use 20 full size breakers with 20 thin or 10 tandem (Twin) breakers.

I tend to like the full size breakers because they usually fit into the
panel with less trouble.


John Grabowski
http://www.mrelectrician.tv

Electrical Service Box Question & Half Thick Circuit Breakers ?
 

On Thu, 23 Feb 2006 13:14:42 -0500, "Robert11"
wrote:

Hello:

For new electrical service boxes:

Are they "generally" constructed to take either two of the half-thickness
breakers or a single full
thickness one ? I guess I am asking if the slot positions are generally
designed for either the two, or one, but you don't have an option ?

How about the older ones; how were they designed ?

Is there any disadvantage to the half-thick circuit breakers ?


The boxes aren't designed to fit the breakers, the breakers
are designed to fit the boxes. Specifically,
a duplex breaker is designed to fit in a single slot in
the panel, and serve two hots, independantly.

The only drawback (other than cost) is that the enclosure
itself is only rated for a certain number of connections,
so you can't just keep swapping duplex breakers for
normal ones until you run out of space.

If you're lucky, the upper limit is written on the box
somewhere. It does NOT appear to be related to the
number of open spaces on the ground and nuetral bars,
which are always undersized. (Can anyone explain
why that is?)

Electrical Service Box Question & Half Thick Circuit Breakers ?
 

Depending upon the manufacturer, some panels can use either full or half
sized breakers in all buss locations, some buss locations or not at all. For
example if a panel is designed to use 40 full sized breakers, it won't use
any half sized breakers as the maximum amount of poles allowed in any panel
is 42. Some panels will use 20 full sized or 40 half sized, or any variables
with a max of 42


"Robert11" wrote in message
...
Hello:

For new electrical service boxes:

Are they "generally" constructed to take either two of the half-thickness
breakers or a single full
thickness one ? I guess I am asking if the slot positions are generally
designed for either the two, or one, but you don't have an option ?

How about the older ones; how were they designed ?

Is there any disadvantage to the half-thick circuit breakers ?

Thanks,
B.

Electrical Service Box Question & Half Thick Circuit Breakers ?
 

Aside from the other points. A double breaker might be connected to the
same phase or opposite phases in the panel. If they are on the same phase,
you need seperate branch conductors each with its own neutral but if the two
poles of the double breaker are on different phases, you can use a 3
conductor cable to feed two branches with one common neutral.

In my new square D homeline panel, double breakers use one phase but on my
old panel double breakers were fed from both phases. It just depends on the
box and design.




"RBM" rbm2(remove wrote in message
...
Depending upon the manufacturer, some panels can use either full or half
sized breakers in all buss locations, some buss locations or not at all.
For example if a panel is designed to use 40 full sized breakers, it won't
use any half sized breakers as the maximum amount of poles allowed in any
panel is 42. Some panels will use 20 full sized or 40 half sized, or any
variables with a max of 42


"Robert11" wrote in message
...
Hello:

For new electrical service boxes:

Are they "generally" constructed to take either two of the half-thickness
breakers or a single full
thickness one ? I guess I am asking if the slot positions are generally
designed for either the two, or one, but you don't have an option ?

How about the older ones; how were they designed ?

Is there any disadvantage to the half-thick circuit breakers ?

Thanks,
B.

Electrical Service Box Question & Half Thick Circuit Breakers ?
 

I think your talking about two separate things. There are splits or half
size breakers, some are tandem and some are not, but regardless, the two
breakers occupy one section of panel buss. Then there are double pole splits
and quads, which occupy two sections of panel buss and are for 240 volt
circuits


"PipeDown" wrote in message
ink.net...
Aside from the other points. A double breaker might be connected to the
same phase or opposite phases in the panel. If they are on the same
phase, you need seperate branch conductors each with its own neutral but
if the two poles of the double breaker are on different phases, you can
use a 3 conductor cable to feed two branches with one common neutral.

In my new square D homeline panel, double breakers use one phase but on my
old panel double breakers were fed from both phases. It just depends on
the box and design.




"RBM" rbm2(remove wrote in message
...
Depending upon the manufacturer, some panels can use either full or half
sized breakers in all buss locations, some buss locations or not at all.
For example if a panel is designed to use 40 full sized breakers, it
won't use any half sized breakers as the maximum amount of poles allowed
in any panel is 42. Some panels will use 20 full sized or 40 half sized,
or any variables with a max of 42


"Robert11" wrote in message
...
Hello:

For new electrical service boxes:

Are they "generally" constructed to take either two of the
half-thickness breakers or a single full
thickness one ? I guess I am asking if the slot positions are generally
designed for either the two, or one, but you don't have an option ?

How about the older ones; how were they designed ?

Is there any disadvantage to the half-thick circuit breakers ?

Thanks,
B.