American Standard Champion Toilet- Metering water level in bowl
 

What component, if any, is used to adjust the amount of water that is
routed to the bowl ?

It seems that the water level is not consistent; sometimes too little
to avoid skid marks.

American Standard Champion Toilet- Metering water level in bowl
 

Most toilets that are fed by a water closet empty the entire contents into
the bowl. The only exception that I know of, would be toilets with a
pressurized toilet flush valve.

"Vince" wrote in message
...

What component, if any, is used to adjust the amount of water that is
routed to the bowl ?

It seems that the water level is not consistent; sometimes too little
to avoid skid marks.

American Standard Champion Toilet- Metering water level in bowl
 

Vince wrote:
What component, if any, is used to adjust the amount of water that is
routed to the bowl ?

It seems that the water level is not consistent; sometimes too little
to avoid skid marks.


http://www.toiletology.com/refill.shtml

http://www.americanstandard-us.com/c...ion_detail.asp

The small black tube from the ballcock to the overflow tube
does the refilling of the bowl after the flush.
If the refill tube has fallen off or is not producing water,
the bowl level won't be correct.

Jim

American Standard Champion Toilet- Metering water level in bowl
 

Hi Vince

I assume you dont mean how much goes through but what governs the final
level? More water is used to flush than just maintains that..

I'll admit I havent torn a US dunny to pieces just yet...

An Australian one however is set by the height of the exit pipe. The
entire pipe configuration is usually an "S" shape on its side (thats why
they call it the S bend...) such that if you pour water in one of the
upward facing holes it maintains the same level in the system by letting
excess go out the downward facing hole. ie the geometry of the porcelein
construction.

Varying heights is always associated with air pressure in the downstream
waste line, either permanently or temporarily. The main reason for a
sewer vent is in fact to keep the pressure the same as atmospheric.
You'll also find that geometry and fall height from other services in
your area can lower pressure temporarily and thus pull the level down. I
had a really stinky situation once where I was on the end of a 40ft fall
from above. It use to drag so much water from the toilet when they
emptied their bath that it left an air gap and the sewer smell entered
the house. It was resolved by placing an sewer vent just downstream of
my toilet.

The only way to get the "inward" level higher is to raise some part of
the exit pipe higher. That can be easy or difficult depending on its
construction. The simplest being to build up the lower pipe level with
some concrete. You might get blockages more easily though..

Cheers Bob


Vince wrote:

What component, if any, is used to adjust the amount of water that is
routed to the bowl ?

American Standard Champion Toilet- Metering water level in bowl
 

Vince wrote:
What component, if any, is used to adjust the amount of water that is
routed to the bowl ?

It seems that the water level is not consistent; sometimes too little
to avoid skid marks.



Which do you mean, the amount that is flushed, or
the height of the water in the bowl after the flush?

American Standard Champion Toilet- Metering water level in bowl
 

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:42:06 GMT, Speedy Jim wrote:

Vince wrote:
What component, if any, is used to adjust the amount of water that is
routed to the bowl ?

It seems that the water level is not consistent; sometimes too little
to avoid skid marks.


http://www.toiletology.com/refill.shtml

http://www.americanstandard-us.com/c...ion_detail.asp

The small black tube from the ballcock to the overflow tube
does the refilling of the bowl after the flush.
If the refill tube has fallen off or is not producing water,
the bowl level won't be correct.

Jim

The flexible tube might have fallen off or is not now positioned
correctly. Should the water discharge into the tank? or down into
the overflow tube ?

This AmStd Champion model is a modern design; no ballcock. Mine was
put into service in OCTober 2005. The lift chain had fallen away and
I reinstalled that to get the toilet to flush again, but perhaps the
tube should be pointed into the overflow tube ? It is now discharging
into the tank.

American Standard Champion Toilet- Metering water level in bowl
 

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:32:17 GMT, "George E. Cawthon"
wrote:

Vince wrote:
What component, if any, is used to adjust the amount of water that is
routed to the bowl ?

It seems that the water level is not consistent; sometimes too little
to avoid skid marks.



Which do you mean, the amount that is flushed, or
the height of the water in the bowl after the flush?

I mean the height of the water in the bowl after the flush.

About two-thirds of the amount of water in the tank is discharged
during each flush action, but sometimes the water level after the
flush is (seemingly) very low.

American Standard Champion Toilet- Metering water level in bowl
 

The small black tube from the ballcock to the overflow tube
does the refilling of the bowl after the flush.

This AmStd Champion model is a modern design; no ballcock. Mine was
put into service in OCTober 2005. The lift chain had fallen away and
I reinstalled that to get the toilet to flush again, but perhaps the
tube should be pointed into the overflow tube ? It is now discharging
into the tank.


There's your problem. The small plastic tube should discharge right into the
overflow standpipe. Often there is a small holder built into the top of the
standpipe to hold the fill tube, but it might have a clip.

Dennis

American Standard Champion Toilet- Metering water level in bowl
 

Vince wrote:

On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:42:06 GMT, Speedy Jim wrote:


Vince wrote:

What component, if any, is used to adjust the amount of water that is
routed to the bowl ?

It seems that the water level is not consistent; sometimes too little
to avoid skid marks.



http://www.toiletology.com/refill.shtml

http://www.americanstandard-us.com/c...ion_detail.asp

The small black tube from the ballcock to the overflow tube
does the refilling of the bowl after the flush.
If the refill tube has fallen off or is not producing water,
the bowl level won't be correct.

Jim


The flexible tube might have fallen off or is not now positioned
correctly. Should the water discharge into the tank? or down into
the overflow tube ?

This AmStd Champion model is a modern design; no ballcock. Mine was
put into service in OCTober 2005. The lift chain had fallen away and
I reinstalled that to get the toilet to flush again, but perhaps the
tube should be pointed into the overflow tube ? It is now discharging
into the tank.


Refill Tube goes into the overflow tube/pipe.

Jim

American Standard Champion Toilet- Metering water level in bowl
 

Vince wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:32:17 GMT, "George E. Cawthon"
wrote:


Vince wrote:

What component, if any, is used to adjust the amount of water that is
routed to the bowl ?

It seems that the water level is not consistent; sometimes too little
to avoid skid marks.



Which do you mean, the amount that is flushed, or
the height of the water in the bowl after the flush?


I mean the height of the water in the bowl after the flush.

About two-thirds of the amount of water in the tank is discharged
during each flush action, but sometimes the water level after the
flush is (seemingly) very low.


I'm not familiar with any commode that has no
ballcock, but I believe the little tube should
lead to the central tube (at least it does in
other commodes).

American Standard Champion Toilet- Metering water level in bowl
 

This toilet is virtually a new unit; put into service in OCTober 2005.
During a flush, the stopper repositions prior to allowing all of the
water to flow into the bowl. I estimate that about two-thirds flows
out prior to the stopper engaging.



On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 13:33:04 -0500, "Bob" wrote:

Most toilets that are fed by a water closet empty the entire contents into
the bowl. The only exception that I know of, would be toilets with a
pressurized toilet flush valve.

"Vince" wrote in message
.. .

What component, if any, is used to adjust the amount of water that is
routed to the bowl ?

It seems that the water level is not consistent; sometimes too little
to avoid skid marks.

American Standard Champion Toilet- Metering water level in bowl
 

I have mounted the refill tube's clip into a hole that is in the trip
lever arm, but will look again for a hole in the standpipe, because
that would allow avoidance of flexing the tube during each activation
of the trip lever. The after-flush water level is now great; has
never been so high. Should please my wife. [:-)

TNX info.






On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:18:52 -0600, (DT)
wrote:


The small black tube from the ballcock to the overflow tube
does the refilling of the bowl after the flush.

This AmStd Champion model is a modern design; no ballcock. Mine was
put into service in OCTober 2005. The lift chain had fallen away and
I reinstalled that to get the toilet to flush again, but perhaps the
tube should be pointed into the overflow tube ? It is now discharging
into the tank.


There's your problem. The small plastic tube should discharge right into the
overflow standpipe. Often there is a small holder built into the top of the
standpipe to hold the fill tube, but it might have a clip.

Dennis

American Standard Champion Toilet- Metering water level in bowl
 

I am probably not using correct terminology. I mean that there is no
BALL-on-an-arm, as in the older toilet designs.






On Mon, 30 Jan 2006 05:59:37 GMT, "George E. Cawthon"
wrote:

Vince wrote:
On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 22:32:17 GMT, "George E. Cawthon"
wrote:


Vince wrote:

What component, if any, is used to adjust the amount of water that is
routed to the bowl ?

It seems that the water level is not consistent; sometimes too little
to avoid skid marks.



Which do you mean, the amount that is flushed, or
the height of the water in the bowl after the flush?


I mean the height of the water in the bowl after the flush.

About two-thirds of the amount of water in the tank is discharged
during each flush action, but sometimes the water level after the
flush is (seemingly) very low.


I'm not familiar with any commode that has no
ballcock, but I believe the little tube should
lead to the central tube (at least it does in
other commodes).

American Standard Champion Toilet- Metering water level in bowl
 

The clip should go over the edge of the "flush tower" (the tall plastic
part in the middle) with the water aiming into the tower.

Feel around the underside of the rim of the flush tower for a couple of
closely spaced ridges; they should be at approx. 12 o'clock, but you can
turn the whole thing until they are. The bottom part of the clip should
fit between these two ridges so it doesn't wander around.

The water level is adjusted by changing the position of the clip on the
vertical wire on the float assembly at the left: squeeze the two parts
of the clip together and slide it up or down. The water level should be
just below the top edge of the flush tower.

The "skid marks" seem to be unavoidable. It's possible to buy a thing
called a toilet brush.

Perce


On 01/30/06 08:36 am Vince wrote:


I have mounted the refill tube's clip into a hole that is in the trip
lever arm, but will look again for a hole in the standpipe, because
that would allow avoidance of flexing the tube during each activation
of the trip lever. The after-flush water level is now great; has
never been so high. Should please my wife. [:-)

TNX info.






On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 17:18:52 -0600, (DT)
wrote:

The small black tube from the ballcock to the overflow tube
does the refilling of the bowl after the flush.
This AmStd Champion model is a modern design; no ballcock. Mine was
put into service in OCTober 2005. The lift chain had fallen away and
I reinstalled that to get the toilet to flush again, but perhaps the
tube should be pointed into the overflow tube ? It is now discharging
into the tank.

There's your problem. The small plastic tube should discharge right into the
overflow standpipe. Often there is a small holder built into the top of the
standpipe to hold the fill tube, but it might have a clip.

Dennis