I have finished my basement, but have to put in the plug myself. Don't
feel like getting a permit just for one outlet.


So I have to install a double wallbox for 4 outlets. since my stereo
will use at least that many and I dont want those plug extenders to much.

The question is, since this is in a small closet that was created for
this purpose, and the closet is not really big enough to enter or use,
do I have to put the wiring inside of a pipe, or can I leave it exposed?

Its in a corner, where the back walls are cement, and the front walls
are drywall with metal framing. There is a standard door, and a big
glass door for stereo access. I am going to put a light switch on the
drywall already for a light that is just outside the closet in the
ceiling. So the wiring is already exposed by the light switch. Just
wondering if the outlet box I screw into the wall can have wiring going
do it like the light switch, or if I should put it into a pipe somehow!?

Of course without the pipe I am not sure how to screw the wiring in
place against the cement wall...

The wiring is 12Ga/20A (yellow).




--
Respectfully,


CL Gilbert

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door() into
the sheepfold{}, but climbeth up some other *way, the same is a thief
and a robber."

GnuPG Key Fingerprint:
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CL (dnoyeB) Gilbert wrote:
I have finished my basement, but have to put in the plug myself. Don't
feel like getting a permit just for one outlet.


So I have to install a double wallbox for 4 outlets. since my stereo
will use at least that many and I dont want those plug extenders to
much.
The question is, since this is in a small closet that was created for
this purpose, and the closet is not really big enough to enter or use,
do I have to put the wiring inside of a pipe, or can I leave it
exposed?
Its in a corner, where the back walls are cement, and the front walls
are drywall with metal framing. There is a standard door, and a big
glass door for stereo access. I am going to put a light switch on the
drywall already for a light that is just outside the closet in the
ceiling. So the wiring is already exposed by the light switch. Just
wondering if the outlet box I screw into the wall can have wiring
going do it like the light switch, or if I should put it into a pipe
somehow!?
Of course without the pipe I am not sure how to screw the wiring in
place against the cement wall...

The wiring is 12Ga/20A (yellow).

I might suggest that a good surge protector may be your answer. That
will eliminate the need for the bootleg outlet and will provide additional
surge protection to your expensive electronics. It also means only one wire
from the outlet to the equipment.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

I have finished my basement, but have to put in the plug myself. Don't
feel like getting a permit just for one outlet.

You realize that basement outlets have to be GFCI protected, and they have
to be space every 6' (or something like that, I would have to look it up).
The town will not care about the outlet, but they will get ****ed if they
find out about finishing the basement without a permit.

So I have to install a double wallbox for 4 outlets. since my stereo will
use at least that many and I dont want those plug extenders to much.

The question is, since this is in a small closet that was created for this
purpose, and the closet is not really big enough to enter or use, do I
have to put the wiring inside of a pipe, or can I leave it exposed?

Its in a corner, where the back walls are cement, and the front walls are
drywall with metal framing. There is a standard door, and a big glass
door for stereo access. I am going to put a light switch on the drywall
already for a light that is just outside the closet in the ceiling. So
the wiring is already exposed by the light switch. Just wondering if the
outlet box I screw into the wall can have wiring going do it like the
light switch, or if I should put it into a pipe somehow!?

Of course without the pipe I am not sure how to screw the wiring in place
against the cement wall...

The wiring is 12Ga/20A (yellow).

The spirit of the code is that the wiring has to be protected from any
possible damage. So if absolutely nothing can knock into it or snag it,
then it probably is not a problem; even if it techically doesn't meet code.
It would be best if you could bring it straight down the corner, since it is
reasonably protected there. In general running wire in the corner between
the wall and ceiling is considered safe, so the idea would be the same.

Why can't you bring it down the sidewall though?


CL Gilbert

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door() into
the sheepfold{}, but climbeth up some other *way, the same is a thief and
a robber."

GnuPG Key Fingerprint:
82A6 8893 C2A1 F64E A9AD 19AE 55B2 4CD7 80D2 0A2D

"Toller" wrote in message
...


I have finished my basement, but have to put in the plug myself. Don't
feel like getting a permit just for one outlet.

You realize that basement outlets have to be GFCI protected, and they have
to be space every 6' (or something like that, I would have to look it up).
The town will not care about the outlet, but they will get ****ed if they
find out about finishing the basement without a permit.

So I have to install a double wallbox for 4 outlets. since my stereo will
use at least that many and I dont want those plug extenders to much.

The question is, since this is in a small closet that was created for
this purpose, and the closet is not really big enough to enter or use, do
I have to put the wiring inside of a pipe, or can I leave it exposed?

Its in a corner, where the back walls are cement, and the front walls are
drywall with metal framing. There is a standard door, and a big glass
door for stereo access. I am going to put a light switch on the drywall
already for a light that is just outside the closet in the ceiling. So
the wiring is already exposed by the light switch. Just wondering if the
outlet box I screw into the wall can have wiring going do it like the
light switch, or if I should put it into a pipe somehow!?

Of course without the pipe I am not sure how to screw the wiring in place
against the cement wall...

The wiring is 12Ga/20A (yellow).

The spirit of the code is that the wiring has to be protected from any
possible damage. So if absolutely nothing can knock into it or snag it,
then it probably is not a problem; even if it techically doesn't meet
code. It would be best if you could bring it straight down the corner,
since it is reasonably protected there. In general running wire in the
corner between the wall and ceiling is considered safe, so the idea would
be the same.

Why can't you bring it down the sidewall though?


CL Gilbert

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door() into
the sheepfold{}, but climbeth up some other *way, the same is a thief and
a robber."

GnuPG Key Fingerprint:
82A6 8893 C2A1 F64E A9AD 19AE 55B2 4CD7 80D2 0A2D


Suggest you could slide it through a length of flexible metal armoured
cover. The armour would not act as a conductor merely as mechanical
protection?
The need for a permit for finishing, oneself, an internal area of one's
house (typically as a basement recreation or 'rumpus' room NOT to be used as
sleeping/living accommodation) depends on local jurisdictional rules!
In some parts of the world you can't even paint or repair a door, without a
permit!
In others such as here, as long as I do not change the basic use of the
house, (for example building several sleeping partitions and putting in a
bathroom in order to accommodate live-in students would not be permissible)
while finishing off my basement as a billiard/snooker or table tennis or bar
area would be OK!

Toller wrote:
I have finished my basement, but have to put in the plug myself. Don't
feel like getting a permit just for one outlet.


You realize that basement outlets have to be GFCI protected, and they have
to be space every 6' (or something like that, I would have to look it up).
The town will not care about the outlet, but they will get ****ed if they
find out about finishing the basement without a permit.


Interesting. The sump outlet is not protected, but the one under the
fuse panel is. Those are the two the house builder installed.

Anyway, I have a gfci breaker and will probably just use that as the
whole basement wiring for outlets has not been connected in the panel yet.


So I have to install a double wallbox for 4 outlets. since my stereo will
use at least that many and I dont want those plug extenders to much.

The question is, since this is in a small closet that was created for this
purpose, and the closet is not really big enough to enter or use, do I
have to put the wiring inside of a pipe, or can I leave it exposed?

Its in a corner, where the back walls are cement, and the front walls are
drywall with metal framing. There is a standard door, and a big glass
door for stereo access. I am going to put a light switch on the drywall
already for a light that is just outside the closet in the ceiling. So
the wiring is already exposed by the light switch. Just wondering if the
outlet box I screw into the wall can have wiring going do it like the
light switch, or if I should put it into a pipe somehow!?

Of course without the pipe I am not sure how to screw the wiring in place
against the cement wall...

The wiring is 12Ga/20A (yellow).


The spirit of the code is that the wiring has to be protected from any
possible damage. So if absolutely nothing can knock into it or snag it,
then it probably is not a problem; even if it techically doesn't meet code.
It would be best if you could bring it straight down the corner, since it is
reasonably protected there. In general running wire in the corner between
the wall and ceiling is considered safe, so the idea would be the same.

Why can't you bring it down the sidewall though?

well the light is in the ceiling and the wire is coming from that
direction. However, the power comes in from the wall, and so its from
the side at outlet level. I will have to run the line to the wall quad
outlet, then run a line to the light switch, then from the switch to the
light.




--
Respectfully,


CL Gilbert

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door() into
the sheepfold{}, but climbeth up some other *way, the same is a thief
and a robber."

GnuPG Key Fingerprint:
82A6 8893 C2A1 F64E A9AD 19AE 55B2 4CD7 80D2 0A2D

Terry wrote:
"Toller" wrote in message
...


I have finished my basement, but have to put in the plug myself. Don't
feel like getting a permit just for one outlet.


You realize that basement outlets have to be GFCI protected, and they have
to be space every 6' (or something like that, I would have to look it up).
The town will not care about the outlet, but they will get ****ed if they
find out about finishing the basement without a permit.

So I have to install a double wallbox for 4 outlets. since my stereo will
use at least that many and I dont want those plug extenders to much.

The question is, since this is in a small closet that was created for
this purpose, and the closet is not really big enough to enter or use, do
I have to put the wiring inside of a pipe, or can I leave it exposed?

Its in a corner, where the back walls are cement, and the front walls are
drywall with metal framing. There is a standard door, and a big glass
door for stereo access. I am going to put a light switch on the drywall
already for a light that is just outside the closet in the ceiling. So
the wiring is already exposed by the light switch. Just wondering if the
outlet box I screw into the wall can have wiring going do it like the
light switch, or if I should put it into a pipe somehow!?

Of course without the pipe I am not sure how to screw the wiring in place
against the cement wall...

The wiring is 12Ga/20A (yellow).


The spirit of the code is that the wiring has to be protected from any
possible damage. So if absolutely nothing can knock into it or snag it,
then it probably is not a problem; even if it techically doesn't meet
code. It would be best if you could bring it straight down the corner,
since it is reasonably protected there. In general running wire in the
corner between the wall and ceiling is considered safe, so the idea would
be the same.

Why can't you bring it down the sidewall though?


CL Gilbert

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door() into
the sheepfold{}, but climbeth up some other *way, the same is a thief and
a robber."

GnuPG Key Fingerprint:
82A6 8893 C2A1 F64E A9AD 19AE 55B2 4CD7 80D2 0A2D


Suggest you could slide it through a length of flexible metal armoured
cover. The armour would not act as a conductor merely as mechanical
protection?
The need for a permit for finishing, oneself, an internal area of one's
house (typically as a basement recreation or 'rumpus' room NOT to be used as
sleeping/living accommodation) depends on local jurisdictional rules!
In some parts of the world you can't even paint or repair a door, without a
permit!
In others such as here, as long as I do not change the basic use of the
house, (for example building several sleeping partitions and putting in a
bathroom in order to accommodate live-in students would not be permissible)
while finishing off my basement as a billiard/snooker or table tennis or bar
area would be OK!



Yea, im not too happy about having done it without a permit. I won't do
that again. I dont really know how to ensure its up to code now. Im
sure it is because the folks that installed it are contractors in this
area. Nevertheless. I think I need to install an egress too. I will
be sure to get a permit for that.

--
Respectfully,


CL Gilbert

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door() into
the sheepfold{}, but climbeth up some other *way, the same is a thief
and a robber."

GnuPG Key Fingerprint:
82A6 8893 C2A1 F64E A9AD 19AE 55B2 4CD7 80D2 0A2D

"CL (dnoyeB) Gilbert" wrote in message
...
Toller wrote:
I have finished my basement, but have to put in the plug myself. Don't
feel like getting a permit just for one outlet.


You realize that basement outlets have to be GFCI protected, and they
have to be space every 6' (or something like that, I would have to look
it up). The town will not care about the outlet, but they will get ****ed
if they find out about finishing the basement without a permit.


Interesting. The sump outlet is not protected, but the one under the fuse
panel is. Those are the two the house builder installed.

Unfinished basements don't need GFCI.

Anyway, I have a gfci breaker and will probably just use that as the whole
basement wiring for outlets has not been connected in the panel yet.


So I have to install a double wallbox for 4 outlets. since my stereo will
use at least that many and I dont want those plug extenders to much.

The question is, since this is in a small closet that was created for
this purpose, and the closet is not really big enough to enter or use, do
I have to put the wiring inside of a pipe, or can I leave it exposed?

Its in a corner, where the back walls are cement, and the front walls are
drywall with metal framing. There is a standard door, and a big glass
door for stereo access. I am going to put a light switch on the drywall
already for a light that is just outside the closet in the ceiling. So
the wiring is already exposed by the light switch. Just wondering if the
outlet box I screw into the wall can have wiring going do it like the
light switch, or if I should put it into a pipe somehow!?

Of course without the pipe I am not sure how to screw the wiring in place
against the cement wall...

The wiring is 12Ga/20A (yellow).


The spirit of the code is that the wiring has to be protected from any
possible damage. So if absolutely nothing can knock into it or snag it,
then it probably is not a problem; even if it techically doesn't meet
code. It would be best if you could bring it straight down the corner,
since it is reasonably protected there. In general running wire in the
corner between the wall and ceiling is considered safe, so the idea would
be the same.

Why can't you bring it down the sidewall though?

well the light is in the ceiling and the wire is coming from that
direction. However, the power comes in from the wall, and so its from the
side at outlet level. I will have to run the line to the wall quad
outlet, then run a line to the light switch, then from the switch to the
light.




--
Respectfully,


CL Gilbert

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door() into
the sheepfold{}, but climbeth up some other *way, the same is a thief and
a robber."

GnuPG Key Fingerprint:
82A6 8893 C2A1 F64E A9AD 19AE 55B2 4CD7 80D2 0A2D

Toller wrote:
"CL (dnoyeB) Gilbert" wrote in message
...

Toller wrote:

I have finished my basement, but have to put in the plug myself. Don't
feel like getting a permit just for one outlet.


You realize that basement outlets have to be GFCI protected, and they
have to be space every 6' (or something like that, I would have to look
it up). The town will not care about the outlet, but they will get ****ed
if they find out about finishing the basement without a permit.


Interesting. The sump outlet is not protected, but the one under the fuse
panel is. Those are the two the house builder installed.


Unfinished basements don't need GFCI.



Damn. That blows up my premise that these guys were following code...


--
Respectfully,


CL Gilbert

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door() into
the sheepfold{}, but climbeth up some other *way, the same is a thief
and a robber."

GnuPG Key Fingerprint:
82A6 8893 C2A1 F64E A9AD 19AE 55B2 4CD7 80D2 0A2D

Unfinished basements don't need GFCI.



Damn. That blows up my premise that these guys were following code...

He got it backwards. Unfinished basements and garages are
considered damp, and require GFCI except for dedicated outlets
for permanent fixtures. (Sump pumps, for instance).

FINISHED basements do not require gfci, because it's assumed that
your occupiable space is not damp.

I'm pretty sure that's what the respondant above meant anyway,
since OP was asking about a closet in a finished basement.

Goedjn wrote:
Unfinished basements don't need GFCI.



Damn. That blows up my premise that these guys were following code...


He got it backwards. Unfinished basements and garages are
considered damp, and require GFCI except for dedicated outlets
for permanent fixtures. (Sump pumps, for instance).

FINISHED basements do not require gfci, because it's assumed that
your occupiable space is not damp.

I'm pretty sure that's what the respondant above meant anyway,
since OP was asking about a closet in a finished basement.



Good good. Especially considering all the work I have gone through over
the last year to ensure the sump system and foundation drains are
functioning properly.

But I wonder. some plugs are near the drain cleanouts. But no
technically running water. I guess thats what permits and inspectors
are for...

--
Respectfully,


CL Gilbert

"Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that entereth not by the door() into
the sheepfold{}, but climbeth up some other *way, the same is a thief
and a robber."

GnuPG Key Fingerprint:
82A6 8893 C2A1 F64E A9AD 19AE 55B2 4CD7 80D2 0A2D

On Thu, 01 Dec 2005 13:19:56 -0500, "CL (dnoyeB) Gilbert"
wrote:

Goedjn wrote:
Unfinished basements don't need GFCI.



Damn. That blows up my premise that these guys were following code...


He got it backwards. Unfinished basements and garages are
considered damp, and require GFCI except for dedicated outlets
for permanent fixtures. (Sump pumps, for instance).

FINISHED basements do not require gfci, because it's assumed that
your occupiable space is not damp.

I'm pretty sure that's what the respondant above meant anyway,
since OP was asking about a closet in a finished basement.



Good good. Especially considering all the work I have gone through over
the last year to ensure the sump system and foundation drains are
functioning properly.

But I wonder. some plugs are near the drain cleanouts. But no
technically running water. I guess thats what permits and inspectors
are for...


Well, there's nothing that says you can't put a gfci outlet where it's
not required. They're not THAT expensive.