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[email protected] November 27th 05 04:07 AM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 
Hey All - got a question about something thats been bugging me tonight
(dont worry im *not* going to do this, im just interested to know if
its possible).

Is there any difference between a 30 amp breaker (2 hots, one out of
each pole of the breaker), and two 15 amp breakers, one hot coming out
of each?

ie, if you wired a 30 amp plug, would both of the above equate to the
same thing?
What problems would arise, etc?

sorry if its a dumb question :)


RP November 27th 05 04:23 AM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 


wrote:
Hey All - got a question about something thats been bugging me tonight
(dont worry im *not* going to do this, im just interested to know if
its possible).

Is there any difference between a 30 amp breaker (2 hots, one out of
each pole of the breaker), and two 15 amp breakers, one hot coming out
of each?

ie, if you wired a 30 amp plug, would both of the above equate to the
same thing?
What problems would arise, etc?

sorry if its a dumb question :)


It's a dumb question.

hvacrmedic


Steve Kraus November 27th 05 04:32 AM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 
Well electrically it should be the same but separate breakers won't trip
off together unless linked which may or may not be possible.

By plug I presume you mean receptacle. The problem that would arise would
be someone going to work on it or equipment plugged into it might only
switch off one leg and get a nasty surprise. This might be ok in a
temporary situation with outlet and both breakers suitably labeled but
nothing you'd want to do permanently. Labels fall off and people leave,
forget or simply don't understand the concept.

TURTLE November 27th 05 05:07 AM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 

wrote:
Hey All - got a question about something thats been bugging me tonight
(dont worry im *not* going to do this, im just interested to know if
its possible).

Is there any difference between a 30 amp breaker (2 hots, one out of
each pole of the breaker), and two 15 amp breakers, one hot coming out
of each?

ie, if you wired a 30 amp plug, would both of the above equate to the
same thing?
What problems would arise, etc?

sorry if its a dumb question :)


This is Turtle.

Your Question is just cloudy to understand.

A 30 double Breaker hooked up and you can pull 2 -- 30 amp circuits off
of it for 220 service or 2 - 30 amp single circuits or 2 single
circuits to the house.

A 15 double Breaker hooked up and you can pull 2 - 15 amp circuits off
of it for 220 service or 2 - 15 anp single circuits or 2 single
circuits to the house.

No a 30 amp Double circuit and a 15 amp double circuit would not be the
same as to what it would do or let mess up using one or the other. If
you hooked up a 15 amp appliance to a 30 amp circuit. it could burn the
appliance up and the house too but still not trip the circuit breaker.

So a 30 double breaker circuit and a 15 amp double breaker circuit is
not the same.

TURTLE


Toller November 27th 05 05:33 AM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 

wrote in message
oups.com...
Hey All - got a question about something thats been bugging me tonight
(dont worry im *not* going to do this, im just interested to know if
its possible).

Is there any difference between a 30 amp breaker (2 hots, one out of
each pole of the breaker), and two 15 amp breakers, one hot coming out
of each?

ie, if you wired a 30 amp plug, would both of the above equate to the
same thing?
What problems would arise, etc?

Yeh, there are three differences.
1) A 30a 240v breaker (I think that is what your are referring to) puts out
30a 240v. Your pair of 15a 120 breakers put out either 15a 240v or 30a 120v
(or even 0a 0v) depending on how your circuit was.
2) The 240v breaker will trip both sides simultaneously; the pair of 120v
breakers won't.
3) The 240v breaker can't be put in the circuit box stupidly (see previous
question); the pair of 120v breakers can.

Don't use the 120v breakers for 240v.
And if you have to ask this question, thing about whether you really want to
do this project yourself.



Steve Kraus November 27th 05 05:56 AM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 
Oops I misread your post and thought you were using the two breakers of the
same value on different legs in place of a double breaker. That would
indeed be electrically the same though not a good idea for reasons cited.

As for the question you really did ask a 30 A two pole breaker would pass
30 A on each leg, not 30 total. In 240 or 208 V usage 30 A would be going
out one line and back the other so still just 30 total as it's across two
hots. Naturally 30A breakers would not offer proper protection on a 15 A
circuit.

And on the 2nd question two individual 15 A breakers would not suffice to
feed a 30A recepticle.

buffalobill November 27th 05 07:41 AM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 
little 15 amp wires carry 15 amps
big 30 amp wires carry 30 amps.
giving little wires big amps makes big fires.
never mix or match any unmatched wires to their breakers.
if you do you put the next electrician at risk.


Joseph Meehan November 27th 05 11:30 AM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 
wrote:
Hey All - got a question about something thats been bugging me tonight
(dont worry im *not* going to do this, im just interested to know if
its possible).

Is there any difference between a 30 amp breaker (2 hots, one out of
each pole of the breaker), and two 15 amp breakers, one hot coming out
of each?

ie, if you wired a 30 amp plug, would both of the above equate to the
same thing?
What problems would arise, etc?

sorry if its a dumb question :)


Short answer - DON'T DO IT.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit



Doug Miller November 27th 05 02:51 PM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 
In article et, Steve Kraus wrote:
Well electrically it should be the same


Wrong. The OP asked about a 30A double-pole breaker vs. two 15A single-pole
breakers. *Obviously* not the same.


--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Doug Miller November 27th 05 02:55 PM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 
In article .com, wrote:
Hey All - got a question about something thats been bugging me tonight
(dont worry im *not* going to do this, im just interested to know if
its possible).

Is there any difference between a 30 amp breaker (2 hots, one out of
each pole of the breaker), and two 15 amp breakers, one hot coming out
of each?


Yes, there is: the former supplies one 30A circuit at 240V, or two 30A
circuits at 120V, depending on how it's wires, and the latter supplies two 15A
circuits at 120V. The latter can be combined to supply one 15A circuit at
240V, if you know what you're doing -- and you don't.

ie, if you wired a 30 amp plug, would both of the above equate to the
same thing?


Absolutely not.
What problems would arise, etc?


Risk of fire, chiefly.

sorry if its a dumb question :)


Yes, it is.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Joseph Meehan November 27th 05 03:12 PM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 
Doug Miller wrote:
In article .com,
wrote:
Hey All - got a question about something thats been bugging me tonight
(dont worry im *not* going to do this, im just interested to know if
its possible).

Is there any difference between a 30 amp breaker (2 hots, one out of
each pole of the breaker), and two 15 amp breakers, one hot coming out
of each?


Yes, there is: the former supplies one 30A circuit at 240V, or two 30A
circuits at 120V, depending on how it's wires, and the latter
supplies two 15A
circuits at 120V. The latter can be combined to supply one 15A
circuit at 240V, if you know what you're doing -- and you don't.

ie, if you wired a 30 amp plug, would both of the above equate to the
same thing?


Absolutely not.
What problems would arise, etc?


Risk of fire, chiefly.

sorry if its a dumb question :)


Yes, it is.


No question is a dumb question when you don't know the answer. In this
case going ahead without guidance could lead to serious issues. I my book
that makes it a very wise and good question.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit



Doug Miller November 27th 05 03:54 PM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 
In article , "Joseph Meehan" wrote:

No question is a dumb question when you don't know the answer. In this
case going ahead without guidance could lead to serious issues. I my book
that makes it a very wise and good question.


Sorry, can't agree. The OP was asking, essentially, if a 15A breaker and a 30A
breaker are the same thing. It is obvious that they are not. Hence it's a dumb
question.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Steve Kraus November 27th 05 05:09 PM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 
Doug Miller wrote:
Sorry, can't agree. The OP was asking, essentially, if a 15A breaker
and a 30A breaker are the same thing. It is obvious that they are not.
Hence it's a dumb question.


In the end, yes. But I can see where someone might think a double breaker
with a single handle that has "30" written on it is composed of two 15A
breakers, not two 30A breakers. It's wrong but it wasn't pulled out of
thin air; there is a logic to the wrongness. So not all that dumb a
question.

Here's a distantly related question. Is it ever permissible to use a two
pole breaker for two 120V circuits not for 240/208? Let's say someone
wanted to ensure that when circuit is turned off or tripped the other is
off as well. Maybe for some equipment that for whatever reason has two
120V feeds and you wish to enforce that it's completely dead.


Doug Miller November 27th 05 06:13 PM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 
In article et, Steve Kraus wrote:
Doug Miller wrote:
Sorry, can't agree. The OP was asking, essentially, if a 15A breaker
and a 30A breaker are the same thing. It is obvious that they are not.
Hence it's a dumb question.


In the end, yes. But I can see where someone might think a double breaker
with a single handle that has "30" written on it is composed of two 15A
breakers, not two 30A breakers. It's wrong but it wasn't pulled out of
thin air; there is a logic to the wrongness. So not all that dumb a
question.


Seems to me pretty obvious that something labelled "30 amp" is a 30-amp
breaker, not two 15s. But hey, maybe that's just me.

Here's a distantly related question. Is it ever permissible to use a two
pole breaker for two 120V circuits not for 240/208? Let's say someone
wanted to ensure that when circuit is turned off or tripped the other is
off as well. Maybe for some equipment that for whatever reason has two
120V feeds and you wish to enforce that it's completely dead.


Certainly. That's no problem at all. In fact, in the situation you suggest,
it's the best thing to do.

--
Regards,
Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com)

It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again.

Toller November 27th 05 06:50 PM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 

"Steve Kraus" wrote in message
nk.net...
Doug Miller wrote:
Sorry, can't agree. The OP was asking, essentially, if a 15A breaker
and a 30A breaker are the same thing. It is obvious that they are not.
Hence it's a dumb question.


In the end, yes. But I can see where someone might think a double breaker
with a single handle that has "30" written on it is composed of two 15A
breakers, not two 30A breakers. It's wrong but it wasn't pulled out of
thin air; there is a logic to the wrongness. So not all that dumb a
question.

Here's a distantly related question. Is it ever permissible to use a two
pole breaker for two 120V circuits not for 240/208? Let's say someone
wanted to ensure that when circuit is turned off or tripped the other is
off as well. Maybe for some equipment that for whatever reason has two
120V feeds and you wish to enforce that it's completely dead.

Sure, why not? It is commonly done on multiwire circuits, though one might
call that a 240v.
I have a duplex breaker that lets you put either two 240v breakers in the
space of one normal 240v breaker, or one 240v breaker and 2 120v breakers;
depending on whether or not you remove a handle tie.



Pop November 27th 05 08:21 PM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 

"RP" wrote in message
et...
:
:
: wrote:
: Hey All - got a question about something thats been bugging
me tonight
: (dont worry im *not* going to do this, im just interested to
know if
: its possible).
:
: Is there any difference between a 30 amp breaker (2 hots, one
out of
: each pole of the breaker), and two 15 amp breakers, one hot
coming out
: of each?
:
: ie, if you wired a 30 amp plug, would both of the above
equate to the
: same thing?
: What problems would arise, etc?
:
: sorry if its a dumb question :)
:
: It's a dumb question.
:
: hvacrmedic
:
NO, it's not. The only dumb question is the one that doesn't get
asked.



Stormin Mormon November 28th 05 03:39 PM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 
Wow, I'm not even sure what the question is. "two hots, one coming out of
each pole". That makes for a 30 twin, or a double 30 or....

--

Christopher A. Young
Do good work.
It's longer in the short run
but shorter in the long run.
..
..


wrote in message
oups.com...
Hey All - got a question about something thats been bugging me tonight
(dont worry im *not* going to do this, im just interested to know if
its possible).

Is there any difference between a 30 amp breaker (2 hots, one out of
each pole of the breaker), and two 15 amp breakers, one hot coming out
of each?

ie, if you wired a 30 amp plug, would both of the above equate to the
same thing?
What problems would arise, etc?

sorry if its a dumb question :)



Goedjn November 28th 05 05:16 PM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 

: It's a dumb question.
:
NO, it's not. The only dumb question is the one that doesn't get
asked.


"Would you rather slide down a razor into a barrel of iodine,
or drink a bucket of monkey snot?"
--The book of stupid questions.


NeedingHelpFindingNone May 15th 17 08:14 PM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 
replying to TURTLE, NeedingHelpFindingNone wrote:

No a 30 amp Double circuit and a 15 amp double circui

learn to write. not only was that impossible to read, but it didn't answer the
question.

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for full context, visit https://www.homeownershub.com/mainte...ers-55729-.htm



[email protected] May 16th 17 02:50 PM

30 amp from two 15 amp breakers
 

learn to write. not only was that impossible to read, but it didn't answer the
question.


learn to read (the date)

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