Here are some images:

http://www.areddy.net/misc/basement/index.html

How would you deal with the two obstructions? They are so close
together, it ****es me off the builder didn't run the drain stack right
next to the support pole.

I was planning on putting a bar in that area, but not sure the best way
to incorporate all of this.

"Larry Bud" wrote in message
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Here are some images:

http://www.areddy.net/misc/basement/index.html

How would you deal with the two obstructions? They are so close
together, it ****es me off the builder didn't run the drain stack right
next to the support pole.

I was planning on putting a bar in that area, but not sure the best way
to incorporate all of this.

I though the column in my family room was bad enough, this is really a PITA.

Can you put the bar by the drain stack and use that? Would it be a major
obstruction to box in both with a wall and use the wall as the back of the
bar and sink? From the picture I see, it look like they may not line up 90
degrees tot he wall. If that is the case, perhaps a "wide" wall can
incorporate part of the bar or a closet.

Could you re-plumb the drain over to the support? Then box it all in,
leaving some type of access to the cleanout. Tom

Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
"Larry Bud" wrote in message
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Here are some images:

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How would you deal with the two obstructions? They are so close
together, it ****es me off the builder didn't run the drain stack right
next to the support pole.

I was planning on putting a bar in that area, but not sure the best way
to incorporate all of this.

I though the column in my family room was bad enough, this is really a PITA.

Can you put the bar by the drain stack and use that? Would it be a major
obstruction to box in both with a wall and use the wall as the back of the
bar and sink? From the picture I see, it look like they may not line up 90
degrees tot he wall. If that is the case, perhaps a "wide" wall can
incorporate part of the bar or a closet.

They are not 90 degress to the wall. The centers are approx 6" off
from each other.

I was going to put the bar against the main wall, but you've definitely
given me an idea to rearrange it a bit....

Take another look, I've added a virtual view of the poles boxed in
together, as small as possible. It really blows away the view :-(

tom wrote:
Could you re-plumb the drain over to the support? Then box it all in,
leaving some type of access to the cleanout. Tom

I don't know, can I do that? I mean, is that allowed? Could I have 4
90 degree turns to move it?

On 23 Nov 2005 08:17:45 -0800, "Larry Bud"
wrote:


Edwin Pawlowski wrote:
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How would you deal with the two obstructions? They are so close
together, it ****es me off the builder didn't run the drain stack right
next to the support pole.


A plan view and some measurements would have been nice.

Build something like this:
www.goedjn.com/sketch/posts.gif
Only with the shelves and toe-kicks, etc. going all the
way around. Since you've got a convenient drain right
there, you should obviously stick a small sink in.
And a dehumidifier in the overhead.

--Goedjn

If it hasn't been drywalled in yet, why not? What fixture(s) does the
drain service? Have you spoken with the builder? Tom

That could be a good solution, move it over next to the post. That
would involve busting up the floor and redoing some soffit to maximize
the benefit. You may be even able to move it to an outside wall. The
post could even be removed with a properly engeneerd beam for the span
and load. It may be worth looking into.

So, replace the beam with one that wont require the post, move the
plumbing to an outside wall. Thats the ideal as far as space. Its also
the most complicated and expensive option.

Larry,

Perfect place for a water closet.

Dave M.

tom wrote:
If it hasn't been drywalled in yet, why not? What fixture(s) does the
drain service? Have you spoken with the builder? Tom

It services the kitchen sink and dishwaher, a toilet, and the sink in
the bathroom where the toilet is.

"Larry Bud" wrote in message
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Here are some images:

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How would you deal with the two obstructions? They are so close
together, it ****es me off the builder didn't run the drain stack right
next to the support pole.

I was planning on putting a bar in that area, but not sure the best way
to incorporate all of this.


Put the bar there, but box it in in a way that the back can come off with
screws in case you need to get to the stack. The law of evil house demons
says you will someday. Perhaps the area between the poles could contain
shallow shelves for glassware.

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tom wrote:
Could you re-plumb the drain over to the support? Then box it all in,
leaving some type of access to the cleanout. Tom

I don't know, can I do that? I mean, is that allowed? Could I have 4
90 degree turns to move it?


Use 45s. I would cut the horizontal section at a point near the support and
remove the Wye entirely. Use two 45s to turn the vertical pipe from
upstairs to the left to join a new Wye at the point near the support. At
the bottom install a cleanout plug then two more 45s to make a short
horizontal run to a wye with a cleanout plug installed facing up and the
other branch connecting to the stack. The extra cleanouts at the turns will
make sure you never have a clog you cannot get to. There are other
possibilities also.

In any case, that drain stack will be handy for draining the bar sink. Use
a Wye and P-Trap of course for that.

It looks like the support post ends at the bottom of a 2x4, in which case it
can't be bearing that much load. It almost looks like it is just supporting
the soffit that covers the pipes. If it goes all the way to a larger beam
or floor joist then it is doing more than I can see. You should be able to
move the support post closer to the drain if the former case is true. May
need to sister up some more lumber to transfer the load to a new spot
efficiently.

PipeDown wrote:
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tom wrote:
Could you re-plumb the drain over to the support? Then box it all in,
leaving some type of access to the cleanout. Tom

I don't know, can I do that? I mean, is that allowed? Could I have 4
90 degree turns to move it?


Use 45s. I would cut the horizontal section at a point near the support and
remove the Wye entirely. Use two 45s to turn the vertical pipe from
upstairs to the left to join a new Wye at the point near the support. At
the bottom install a cleanout plug then two more 45s to make a short
horizontal run to a wye with a cleanout plug installed facing up and the
other branch connecting to the stack. The extra cleanouts at the turns will
make sure you never have a clog you cannot get to. There are other
possibilities also.

In any case, that drain stack will be handy for draining the bar sink. Use
a Wye and P-Trap of course for that.

thanks for the advice.



It looks like the support post ends at the bottom of a 2x4, in which case it
can't be bearing that much load.

Optical illusion. The support post is connected to the beam. I just
built the soffit around it.

Doug Kanter wrote:
"Larry Bud" wrote in message
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Here are some images:

http://www.areddy.net/misc/basement/index.html

How would you deal with the two obstructions? They are so close
together, it ****es me off the builder didn't run the drain stack right
next to the support pole.

I was planning on putting a bar in that area, but not sure the best way
to incorporate all of this.


Put the bar there, but box it in in a way that the back can come off with
screws in case you need to get to the stack. The law of evil house demons
says you will someday. Perhaps the area between the poles could contain
shallow shelves for glassware.

I second the motion for incorporating it into the bar design. What
comes to mind is a floor to ceiling cupboard type element at each end
of the bar, like Goedjin suggested. One will cover the pipes, the
other can be more functional.

If you want it to feel open, maybe you could minimally box in each
obstruction separately. Then, to give them a purpose you could install
glass shelving (and maybe a base cabinet). Top it off with a small can
light or similar above and you could have a beautiful bar look! Also,
you could repeat this idea in the next "bay" over, between the nearest
wall and the first pipe. Throw some wine glasses, scotch glasses and
liquor bottles on there. Voila! You've got a feature for the room!

http://www.areddy.net/misc/basement/index.html

How would you deal with the two obstructions? They are so close
together, it ****es me off the builder didn't run the drain stack right
next to the support pole.

I was planning on putting a bar in that area, but not sure the best way
to incorporate all of this.


Put the bar there, but box it in in a way that the back can come off with
screws in case you need to get to the stack. The law of evil house demons
says you will someday. Perhaps the area between the poles could contain
shallow shelves for glassware.

I second the motion for incorporating it into the bar design. What
comes to mind is a floor to ceiling cupboard type element at each end
of the bar, like Goedjin suggested. One will cover the pipes, the
other can be more functional.

Folks, after some good advice here, I've come up with a plan for the
drain stack and support.

What do you think?

original basement
http://www.areddy.net/misc/basement/index.html

virtual design.
http://www.areddy.net/misc/basement/virtual.html

Looks like a good compromise!

Nice program too!


Chris

"Larry Bud" wrote in message
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How would you deal with the two obstructions? They are so close
together, it ****es me off the builder didn't run the drain stack
right
next to the support pole.

I was planning on putting a bar in that area, but not sure the best
way
to incorporate all of this.


Put the bar there, but box it in in a way that the back can come off
with
screws in case you need to get to the stack. The law of evil house
demons
says you will someday. Perhaps the area between the poles could contain
shallow shelves for glassware.

I second the motion for incorporating it into the bar design. What
comes to mind is a floor to ceiling cupboard type element at each end
of the bar, like Goedjin suggested. One will cover the pipes, the
other can be more functional.

Folks, after some good advice here, I've come up with a plan for the
drain stack and support.

What do you think?

original basement
http://www.areddy.net/misc/basement/index.html

virtual design.
http://www.areddy.net/misc/basement/virtual.html

"Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message
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"Larry Bud" wrote in message
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Here are some images:

http://www.areddy.net/misc/basement/index.html

How would you deal with the two obstructions? They are so close
together, it ****es me off the builder didn't run the drain stack right
next to the support pole.

I was planning on putting a bar in that area, but not sure the best way
to incorporate all of this.

I though the column in my family room was bad enough, this is really a
PITA.

Can you put the bar by the drain stack and use that? Would it be a major
obstruction to box in both with a wall and use the wall as the back of the
bar and sink? From the picture I see, it look like they may not line up
90 degrees tot he wall. If that is the case, perhaps a "wide" wall can
incorporate part of the bar or a closet.

That sounds good to me except rather than building a solid wall, leave it
open from the bar top to the ceiling, between the two pipes and put glass
shelves between them to hold glasses, etc.