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Texas Pastor Electrocuted During Baptism
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Texas Pastor Electrocuted During Baptism
On Wed 02 Nov 2005 05:29:38a, PaPaPeng wrote in alt.home.repair:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:05:41 -0600, wrote: WACO, Texas (AP) -- A pastor performing a baptism was electrocuted inside his church Sunday morning after adjusting a nearby microphone while standing in water, a church employee said. Doesn't sound right. The juice to drive a microphone is in the low DC voltage value and runs on milliamps. Its even weaker than the current that drives the big speakers. Water or no water I have never come across anyone being zapped by a frayed microphone wire let alone suffer injury by one. Depends on the system. PA systems often run both speaker and microphone circuits on voltages that could be high enough to do this, given water and ground. I can remember being shocked by a PA mike that was improperly grounded. -- Wayne Boatwright *¿* _____________________________ http://tinypic.com/eikz78.jpg Meet Mr. Bailey |
Texas Pastor Electrocuted During Baptism
PaPaPeng wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:05:41 -0600, wrote: WACO, Texas (AP) -- A pastor performing a baptism was electrocuted inside his church Sunday morning after adjusting a nearby microphone while standing in water, a church employee said. Doesn't sound right. The juice to drive a microphone is in the low DC voltage value and runs on milliamps. Its even weaker than the current that drives the big speakers. Water or no water I have never come across anyone being zapped by a frayed microphone wire let alone suffer injury by one. Well, you have now... I suspect it may well have been fed through the amp, but however it was, it got him w/ enough to kill. |
Texas Pastor Electrocuted During Baptism
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 12:29:38 GMT, PaPaPeng wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:05:41 -0600, wrote: WACO, Texas (AP) -- A pastor performing a baptism was electrocuted inside his church Sunday morning after adjusting a nearby microphone while standing in water, a church employee said. Doesn't sound right. The juice to drive a microphone is in the low DC voltage value and runs on milliamps. Its even weaker than the current that drives the big speakers. Water or no water I have never come across anyone being zapped by a frayed microphone wire let alone suffer injury by one. When I was about 12, in 1959, I think I was trying to get more sound from a crystal radio. Or maybe more frequencies. This would only pick up one station. Or maybe I was just trying to improve the tv picture, but I connected something to the tv antenna, and another wire from the same thing to the metal grill of a heating vent. I got quite a shock. Everything I've learned since then says that the potential on a tv antenna ought to be minuscule, picovolts or something, but it sure zapped me. We also had a table radio which we set on a small metal table. There may have been a chip in the case at the rear of the radio, and when the radio moved to the side and one leg went off the table, the metal chassis touched the metal shelf, and when I touched the decorative metal cap of the leg that extended above the top shelf, I got a little electric buzz. There were no polarized plugs then, and it was also fine to have the metal chassis of a radio completely uncovered on the bottom. Even then it shouldn't have given a shock, but maybe a condensor between the cord and the chassis had shorted. ??? Or transmitted enough to give me that buzz. BTW, if I understand correctly, I was electrocuted on both those occasions, even if I wasn't killed. Remove NOPSAM to email me. Please let me know if you have posted also. |
Texas Pastor Electrocuted During Baptism
PaPaPeng writes:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:05:41 -0600, wrote: WACO, Texas (AP) -- A pastor performing a baptism was electrocuted inside his church Sunday morning after adjusting a nearby microphone while standing in water, a church employee said. Doesn't sound right. The juice to drive a microphone is in the low DC voltage value and runs on milliamps. Its even weaker than the current that drives the big speakers. Water or no water I have never come across anyone being zapped by a frayed microphone wire let alone suffer injury by one. PA systems powered by miswired mains have killed more than a few musicians over the years, so believe it. Though microphone voltages are only in the millivolts range, they are plugged into PA's that are plugged into the electrical system. If you have hot and neutral reversed on that system, and someone using a floating 3-to-2 prong converter, then your ground connection of the XLR jack to the microphone can be nice and wavy. Grab the body of that microphone and stand in the baptismal fountain with a floor drain to ground, and sadly, you can meet god sooner than you ever wanted. There are various ways you end up with AC on the microphone ground. The electrical isolation of an RF interface in a wireless mic is entirely the way to go for such duty. Best Regards, -- Todd H. http://www.toddh.net/ |
Texas Pastor Electrocuted During Baptism
On Wed, 02 Nov 2005 12:29:38 GMT, PaPaPeng wrote:
On Tue, 01 Nov 2005 18:05:41 -0600, wrote: WACO, Texas (AP) -- A pastor performing a baptism was electrocuted inside his church Sunday morning after adjusting a nearby microphone while standing in water, a church employee said. Doesn't sound right. The juice to drive a microphone is in the low DC voltage value and runs on milliamps. Its even weaker than the current that drives the big speakers. Water or no water I have never come across anyone being zapped by a frayed microphone wire let alone suffer injury by one. If there was a fault/leakage in the amp that connected the AC line to the chassis then the mic was hot. Water and electricity don't mix. Whatever the reason, apparently his god failed him. |
Texas Pastor Electrocuted During Baptism
Wes Stewart wrote:
.... Whatever the reason, apparently his god failed him. We don't know that... :) |
Texas Pastor Electrocuted During Baptism
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Texas Pastor Electrocuted During Baptism
"mm" wrote in message When I was about 12, in 1959, I think I was trying to get more sound from a crystal radio. Or maybe more frequencies. This would only pick up one station. Or maybe I was just trying to improve the tv picture, but I connected something to the tv antenna, and another wire from the same thing to the metal grill of a heating vent. I got quite a shock. Not surprising. In 1959 Automakers still denied cars were dangerous enough to have seatbelts Grounded electrical receptacles were almost non existent Hot chassis wiring was common and without polarized plugs Cigarette commercials, magazine ads and billboards were everywhere Ward Cleaver swilled hard liquor first thing after work (or soon after) Drunk driving was not taken seriously (I think it was a misdemeanor) And more but I wasn't there to see it. Its a wonder my parents lived through it to have me a few years later. |
Texas Pastor Electrocuted During Baptism
In article , mm wrote:
BTW, if I understand correctly, I was electrocuted on both those occasions, even if I wasn't killed. You do *not* understand correctly. Electrocution is, by definition, fatal, as you can readily confirm with any dictionary. -- Regards, Doug Miller (alphageek at milmac dot com) It's time to throw all their damned tea in the harbor again. |
Texas Pastor Electrocuted During Baptism
According to PaPaPeng :
Doesn't sound right. The juice to drive a microphone is in the low DC voltage value and runs on milliamps. Its even weaker than the current that drives the big speakers. Water or no water I have never come across anyone being zapped by a frayed microphone wire let alone suffer injury by one. As others have mentioned, PA systems are different than consumer-grade stuff. 70 volt audio lines etc. In order for this to happen, tho, it probably required both a frayed cord and a defect inside the amplifier. While it isn't very common, over the years I've heard of about half a dozen people getting killed by microphones. Usually in the UK, with their higher mains voltages means that you have less chance of survival (with some sort of line-microphone cord short). If I recall correctly, some fairly famous rock vocalist was killed on stage this way. -- Chris Lewis, Una confibula non set est It's not just anyone who gets a Starship Cruiser class named after them. |
Texas Pastor Electrocuted During Baptism
"70V audio lines" are typically only for commercial PA applications with speaker distribution systems (e.g. installed musak in a store), and wouldn't be involved here, as we're on the input side of the PA. However, phantom power, a DC standard of 48V for biasing electret condenser mic capsules, is extremely likely to be present on the 3-conductor XLR cables that are used with PA systems. If there is any current limiting in their design, it's in excess of an amp iirc. -- Electrocutions and shock hazards have been around since the very early days of sound systems. The old amplifier designs were more likely to present a hazard, but anything connected to directly to the power mains with a hardwire cable can also present a hazard. The hazard is greatly increased if water is involved. Broadcasters have known this for years. A conventional wired microphone has either 2 or 3 conductors, one of which is always supposed to be grounded to minimize noise pickup from stray electromagnetic fields. If there is a fault in the amp or the power supply wiring, it is quite easy to have the microphone ground become a live AC mains "Hot Wire". Apparently this is what happened to the preacher and the current passed through his body into the water which was at or near ground potential. As has been said before, an inexpensive RF mic is the way to go in these situations. Beachcomber |
Texas Pastor Electrocuted During Baptism
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