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J.Lef September 16th 05 09:49 PM

are microwave waves dangerous
 
I know that the magnetron works using radio waves that are
converted and other tech issues.
I have recently replaced a panasonic microwave, a few months ago,
with an identical one.
This one always seemed to get hotter on the outside then the old
one. We used to keep bread and even fruit on pottery on the top, and it
would always stay cool. The new one gets very, very warm, and almost cooks
the bread after a while.
I brought it in for servicing three times, and they tell me
nothing is wrong with it, yet you can feel warm air coming out from around
the door area.
Panasonic wont do anything about it, and the retailer wont take it
back.
QUESTION
Even though they said they tested for microwave leakage,
and said there was none, I am not fully convinced. If there is some leakage
of rays, are they harmful, if you are in the kitchen, when it is on? Should
I dump the thing? It is a nice stainless steel model, (biggest size they
have-).

Thanks to all








Charles Spitzer September 16th 05 10:05 PM


"J.Lef" wrote in message
news:5dGWe.25$N35.24@trndny09...
I know that the magnetron works using radio waves that are
converted and other tech issues.
I have recently replaced a panasonic microwave, a few months ago,
with an identical one.
This one always seemed to get hotter on the outside then the old
one. We used to keep bread and even fruit on pottery on the top, and it
would always stay cool. The new one gets very, very warm, and almost
cooks the bread after a while.
I brought it in for servicing three times, and they tell me
nothing is wrong with it, yet you can feel warm air coming out from
around the door area.
Panasonic wont do anything about it, and the retailer wont take it
back.
QUESTION
Even though they said they tested for microwave leakage,
and said there was none, I am not fully convinced. If there is some
leakage of rays, are they harmful, if you are in the kitchen, when it is
on? Should I dump the thing? It is a nice stainless steel model,
(biggest size they have-).

Thanks to all


microwaves have fans and vents to remove the hot and steamy air from the
inside. a steel shell, not having any water molecules in it, won't heat up
from microwaves, so it's not being heated by the microwaves, but instead by
the vent. your old one had a vent in a different place.



PipeDown September 16th 05 10:40 PM


"Charles Spitzer" wrote in message
...

"J.Lef" wrote in message
news:5dGWe.25$N35.24@trndny09...
I know that the magnetron works using radio waves that are
converted and other tech issues.
I have recently replaced a panasonic microwave, a few months ago,
with an identical one.
This one always seemed to get hotter on the outside then the
old one. We used to keep bread and even fruit on pottery on the top, and
it would always stay cool. The new one gets very, very warm, and almost
cooks the bread after a while.
I brought it in for servicing three times, and they tell me
nothing is wrong with it, yet you can feel warm air coming out from
around the door area.
Panasonic wont do anything about it, and the retailer wont take
it back.
QUESTION
Even though they said they tested for microwave leakage,
and said there was none, I am not fully convinced. If there is some
leakage of rays, are they harmful, if you are in the kitchen, when it is
on? Should I dump the thing? It is a nice stainless steel model,
(biggest size they have-).

Thanks to all


microwaves have fans and vents to remove the hot and steamy air from the
inside. a steel shell, not having any water molecules in it, won't heat up
from microwaves, so it's not being heated by the microwaves, but instead
by the vent. your old one had a vent in a different place.


It is also common for the interior lamp to heat up the outside of the case
while operating. Try removing the light and see if the heating is reduced.
Other sources of heat from the electronics may be coupling to the case as
well. It dosen't sound like it is microwaves heating the stuff on top, just
waste heat from the microwave or food within.

If this model dosen't fit your lifestyle, get another and donate that one to
charity for a tax writeoff. I'm sure there is some hurricane displaced
family living in a shelter near you who could use it.



wkearney99 September 17th 05 02:38 PM

Even though they said they tested for microwave leakage,
and said there was none, I am not fully convinced.


So waste more money and buy your own microwave detector:

http://www.professionalequipment.com/xq/ASP/id.6/subid.189/qx/default.htm

Seems more likely this oven just vents itself differently than your old one.
Move the stuff on top to another location. Store stuff that won't get
'cooked' on there instead.


Dan_Musicant September 17th 05 06:16 PM

On Fri, 16 Sep 2005 20:49:05 GMT, "J.Lef" wrote:

: I know that the magnetron works using radio waves that are
:converted and other tech issues.
: I have recently replaced a panasonic microwave, a few months ago,
:with an identical one.
: This one always seemed to get hotter on the outside then the old
:one. We used to keep bread and even fruit on pottery on the top, and it
:would always stay cool. The new one gets very, very warm, and almost cooks
:the bread after a while.
: I brought it in for servicing three times, and they tell me
:nothing is wrong with it, yet you can feel warm air coming out from around
:the door area.
: Panasonic wont do anything about it, and the retailer wont take it
:back.
: QUESTION
: Even though they said they tested for microwave leakage,
:and said there was none, I am not fully convinced. If there is some leakage
:of rays, are they harmful, if you are in the kitchen, when it is on? Should
:I dump the thing? It is a nice stainless steel model, (biggest size they
:have-).
:
: Thanks to all
Even if it's not leaking microwaves it is emminating magnetic energy.
That stuff isn't the threat that microwaves are but they aren't doing
you any good. Either dissipates in proportion to the inverse square of
your distance from the unit:

1/distance x distance

So, you should try to make a habit of not standing right next to your
oven when it's on. Stand at least 4 feet away and you will be safer.
That's what I do most of the time, just to be on the safe side. I think
that since you've been told more than once that they tested for leaking
microwaves, you are probably OK on that score. Do you think these people
are liars or do you have a sense that they are being honest with you?
I'm sure that not everyone has microwave energy detection equipment.

RicodJour September 17th 05 07:44 PM


Dan_Musicant wrote:

Even if it's not leaking microwaves it is emminating magnetic energy.
That stuff isn't the threat that microwaves are but they aren't doing
you any good. Either dissipates in proportion to the inverse square of
your distance from the unit:

1/distance x distance


Do you want to revise that equation or is that your final answer...?

R


Bob S. September 18th 05 04:58 AM


Dan_Musicant wrote:

I'm sure that not everyone has microwave energy detection equipment.


Go down to your local Radio Shack and buy a 120v neon pilot bulb. Pass
it around the microwave unit, especially the door. Microwave leakage
will light the bulb. (If you don't believe it, put it in the microwave
and turn it on).


G Henslee September 18th 05 04:09 PM

J.Lef wrote:

QUESTION
Even though they said they tested for microwave leakage,
and said there was none, I am not fully convinced. If there is some leakage
of rays, are they harmful, if you are in the kitchen, when it is on? Should
I dump the thing?


No need to dump it. Use one of these when operating the microwave:

http://img183.imageshack.us/my.php?i...oilhead8po.jpg

Dan_Musicant September 23rd 05 03:43 AM

On 17 Sep 2005 11:44:53 -0700, "RicodJour"
wrote:

:
:Dan_Musicant wrote:
:
: Even if it's not leaking microwaves it is emminating magnetic energy.
: That stuff isn't the threat that microwaves are but they aren't doing
: you any good. Either dissipates in proportion to the inverse square of
: your distance from the unit:
:
: 1/distance x distance
:
:Do you want to revise that equation or is that your final answer...?
:
:R
That shows the inverse square relation. You'd have to multiply that by
some factor to give you the actual amount of radiation. It depends on
the oven. I've found in general that microwave ovens have around 4
miligaus EMF at a distance of maybe 1.5 feet from the oven - in that
neighborhood.

Dan


Duane Bozarth September 23rd 05 03:11 PM

Dan_Musicant wrote:

On 17 Sep 2005 11:44:53 -0700, "RicodJour"
wrote:

:
:Dan_Musicant wrote:
:
: Even if it's not leaking microwaves it is emminating magnetic energy.
: That stuff isn't the threat that microwaves are but they aren't doing
: you any good. Either dissipates in proportion to the inverse square of
: your distance from the unit:
:
: 1/distance x distance
:
:Do you want to revise that equation or is that your final answer...?
:
:R
That shows the inverse square relation. ...


I think RJ was in pedant mode...normal algebraic association would
interpret the form as typed as (1/x) * x == 1 rather than your intended
1/(x*x)....


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