Referigerator Icing Up -
 

HI,


I hope somoene in this group can help me out. I have a Kenmore side by
side referigerator and every few months. i purchased it back on 2002.
on the freezer side, bottom, where the condenser is, get all iced up,
and because of this, the referigerator gets warm. the referigerator
seems t o be running at all time and never stops. i guess this is why
it gets freezed up. does anyone know what i would need to do, i have
many serivce techs came and they can not fixed the problem.


please advise, what parts may be defective and should be replaced.
any opionts would be great!


g.

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And post your question there, in the kitchen section.

BE SURE TO POST A MODEL NUMBER.

Lots of friendly, smart folks there will help you out.

wrote:
HI,


I hope somoene in this group can help me out. I have a Kenmore side by
side referigerator and every few months. i purchased it back on 2002.
on the freezer side, bottom, where the condenser is, get all iced up,
and because of this, the referigerator gets warm. the referigerator
seems t o be running at all time and never stops. i guess this is why
it gets freezed up. does anyone know what i would need to do, i have
many serivce techs came and they can not fixed the problem.


please advise, what parts may be defective and should be replaced.
any opionts would be great!


g.

Hi,

I have a Kenmore side by
side referigerator and every few months. i purchased it back on 2002.

Does little to ID the refrigerator...model#?
http://www.applianceaid.com/model.html
Some model# helps.

on the freezer side, bottom, where the condenser is, get all iced up,
and because of this, the referigerator gets warm.

Evaporator is the cold/colling part, condensor is the hot part. Iced
up?....white like snow, clear like an ice cube?

Some frost free helps....

http://www.applianceaid.com/frig_notcold.html
http://www.applianceaid.com/defrost_cycle.html

jeff.
Appliance Repair Aid
http://www.applianceaid.com/

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HI,


I hope somoene in this group can help me out. I have a Kenmore side by
side referigerator and every few months. i purchased it back on 2002.
on the freezer side, bottom, where the condenser is, get all iced up,
and because of this, the referigerator gets warm. the referigerator
seems t o be running at all time and never stops. i guess this is why
it gets freezed up. does anyone know what i would need to do, i have
many serivce techs came and they can not fixed the problem.


please advise, what parts may be defective and should be replaced.
any opionts would be great!


g.


Either the timer has malfunctioned or the heating element has gone open or
both. Replace the timer first (either inside freezer compartment on wall,
or built into ice maker or mounted inside bottom of fridge depending on
model) cause it is easier to get at and cheaper to buy.

If that dosen't work, then it is most likely the heather element, these are
usually mounted behind the first wall inside the freezer compartment and
will require complete defrost and disassembly to get to it. If you have a
multimeter, you can test the heater element by measuring its resistance (it
should not be open).

The power to run the timer is often delivered by passing it through the
heater element first so it is sometimes tricky to know which failed.
However, in some models, if the heater goes, the whole thing just quits.

Check the timer first, it's the most likely suspect. It turns the heater on
periodically to melt the frost and if not functioning will never turn on the
heater. Most timers have a hole where you can manually advance its clock
wheel, if you turn this with a screwdriver and get the heater to come on,
then it definately is only the timer. Don't leave it on though or you will
cook the food. When the heater is running the compressor should be disabled
(by a switch in the timer) and not running at the same time.

Thank you all for the reply and suggestions!

my sears kenmore model number is 106.53552201, it is a side by side
referigerator. it has an electronic control board. i can not find the
defrost timer. does anyone know where it is ?

It is the evaporter coil inside the freezer that is icing up, not the
condeser like i mentioned previously. i guess this restricts the air
flow to the referigerator side. strange, when i defrost the freezer,
eveything comes back to normal, but after about 3 months, it ices up
again.

i ordered the following parts to see if this helps.

2 THERMISTOR 1 for the referigerator and 1 for the freezer
1 bimetal defroster (defrost terminator)

i'll see what happens. sure hates to trash a 2.5 year old
referigerator.

it has an electronic control board. i can not find the
defrost timer.

Likely doesn't have one, the electronic control likely controls the
defrostings as well :(

http://www.repairclinic.com/referral.asp?R=153&N=949546
Control board kit.

It is the evaporter coil inside the freezer that is
icing up

Ice or frost?

sure hates to trash a 2.5 year old referigerator.

http://www.repairclinic.com/referral.asp?R=153&N=832523
Do-it-yourself repair manual for Whirlpool built Kenmore brand
refrigerators.

jeff.
Appliance Repair Aid
http://www.applianceaid.com/

Thank you Jeff! it is frosting. i wait to see if my other parts fails,
than i will go and purchase the control board. quite expensive. does
anyone know how to test the control board to see if it can turn on and
off the defroster?

On 12 Aug 2005 07:43:49 -0700, wrote:

get all iced up,

Your compressor works OK. Your sensors work too except the iceover
gives them false readings. The cold air transfer duct between the
freezer compartment to the fridge compartment is likely iced up and
blocked.

The easiest fix is to remove all your foodstuffs from the fridge and
put them in you picnic cooler. Switch off the power and leave the
doors open overnight. This will let the ice in the cold air transfer
duct thaw. The duct is within the fridge's wall insulation and won't
thaw otherwise. There is as much as a mugfull of water. I have to do
this two to three times a year because I have too little food in the
fridge (live alone) and there isn't enough thermal mass to buffer the
temperature when I open the frisge door.

wrote:
Thank you Jeff! it is frosting. i wait to see if my other parts fails,
than i will go and purchase the control board. quite expensive. does
anyone know how to test the control board to see if it can turn on and
off the defroster?

G'day,

It's more of eliminating things....if the defrost thermostat and
defrost heater ohm ok when testing, the controlling part(s) are assumed
at fault and replaced.

jeff.
Appliance Repair Aid
http://www.applianceaid.com/

Hi,

today i received the parts 2 thermistor and 1 bimetal-deforster sears
part 2188819 and 2188824. i am just wondering, do i need some type of
adhesive to attach the bimetal-defroster? is the adhesive necessary and
what type is recommended? brand, name ?

thank you!

g.

G'day,

i am just wondering, do i need some type of
adhesive to attach the bimetal-defroster?

Nope, should clip onto/over the tubing.

jeff.
Appliance Repair Aid
http://www.applianceaid.com/

Great Thank you! i suspect this is the case, but the guy who sold me
the bimetal insist that this adhesive is necessary..


g


Appliance Repair Aid wrote:
G'day,

i am just wondering, do i need some type of
adhesive to attach the bimetal-defroster?

Nope, should clip onto/over the tubing.

jeff.
Appliance Repair Aid
http://www.applianceaid.com/

Hi,

does it matter where i clip the bi-metal defroster on the evaporater
coil tubing. i remove the original bi-metal defroster and try to clip
it on it's original position, but the one I got, does not fit. it seems
like the diameter is a bit bigger, so i moved it to another part of
the tubing.. it is the same part, part from the manual. just the
cliping is designed differently.
hope that's ok.

according to http://www.repairclinic.com/0080.asp it states "Defrost
thermostat, clip-on
(The manufacturer has replaced part number 2196155 with this item, part
number 2188824.)" don't know if this matters.


i have included a picture of how it should look like and how it is
redesigned now.

original part looks like this:

http://www.repairclinic.com/0081.asp?RccPartID=1055108


new design clip look like this. this will not fit in the same position.

http://www.amresupply.com/tmp_files/...4084633140.JPG

http://www.amresupply.com/viewpart.p...ddf9568524a247

thanx!

G.

wrote:
Great Thank you! i suspect this is the case, but the guy who sold me
the bimetal insist that this adhesive is necessary..


g


Appliance Repair Aid wrote:
G'day,

i am just wondering, do i need some type of
adhesive to attach the bimetal-defroster?

Nope, should clip onto/over the tubing.

jeff.
Appliance Repair Aid
http://www.applianceaid.com/

wrote:
Hi,

does it matter where i clip the bi-metal defroster on the evaporater
coil tubing. i remove the original bi-metal defroster and try to clip
it on it's original position, but the one I got, does not fit. it seems
like the diameter is a bit bigger, so i moved it to another part of
the tubing.. it is the same part, part from the manual. just the
cliping is designed differently.
hope that's ok.

according to http://www.repairclinic.com/0080.asp it states "Defrost
thermostat, clip-on
(The manufacturer has replaced part number 2196155 with this item, part
number 2188824.)" don't know if this matters.


i have included a picture of how it should look like and how it is
redesigned now.

original part looks like this:

http://www.repairclinic.com/0081.asp?RccPartID=1055108


new design clip look like this. this will not fit in the same position.

http://www.amresupply.com/tmp_files/...4084633140.JPG

http://www.amresupply.com/viewpart.p...ddf9568524a247

thanx!

G.

Hi,

does it matter where i clip the bi-metal defroster on the evaporater
coil tubing.

Yes, as close to the original place as possible.

i remove the original bi-metal defroster and try to clip
it on it's original position, but the one I got, does not fit. it seems
like the diameter is a bit bigger, so i moved it to another part of
the tubing..

No choice!

jeff.
Appliance Repair Aid
http://www.applianceaid.com/

Hi,

Thanx for the reply, but why does this bi-metal needs to be placed as
close to the original position as possible? Is there something special
about this area, does it contain special metal, has a sensor,etc,
other than it is a bit bigger than the rest of the tubing?

there is no way, the newer design would fit in it's original place.
and i do not belive anyone else carry the old style anymore.. i evern
tried to force opened the clip a bit wider, but no go.

thanx!

G


Appliance Repair Aid wrote:
wrote:
Hi,

does it matter where i clip the bi-metal defroster on the evaporater
coil tubing. i remove the original bi-metal defroster and try to clip
it on it's original position, but the one I got, does not fit. it seems
like the diameter is a bit bigger, so i moved it to another part of
the tubing.. it is the same part, part from the manual. just the
cliping is designed differently.
hope that's ok.

according to http://www.repairclinic.com/0080.asp it states "Defrost
thermostat, clip-on
(The manufacturer has replaced part number 2196155 with this item, part
number 2188824.)" don't know if this matters.


i have included a picture of how it should look like and how it is
redesigned now.

original part looks like this:

http://www.repairclinic.com/0081.asp?RccPartID=1055108


new design clip look like this. this will not fit in the same position.

http://www.amresupply.com/tmp_files/...4084633140.JPG

http://www.amresupply.com/viewpart.p...ddf9568524a247

thanx!

G.

Hi,

does it matter where i clip the bi-metal defroster on the evaporater
coil tubing.

Yes, as close to the original place as possible.

i remove the original bi-metal defroster and try to clip
it on it's original position, but the one I got, does not fit. it seems
like the diameter is a bit bigger, so i moved it to another part of
the tubing..

No choice!

jeff.
Appliance Repair Aid
http://www.applianceaid.com/

Hi,

why does this bi-metal needs to be placed as
close to the original position as possible?

Placed in an area that might get more heat will cause short cycling of
the defrost cycle....placed in an area that might be hidden or gets
less heat may cause temp spikes in the freezer during a defrost cycle.
We normally stick with " as close as possible to the original"
position.

jeff.
Appliance Repair Aid
http://www.applianceaid.com/

Thanx Jeff for your helpful advise. I guess 2inch from the original
position is sufficient.

G



Appliance Repair Aid wrote:
Hi,

why does this bi-metal needs to be placed as
close to the original position as possible?

Placed in an area that might get more heat will cause short cycling of
the defrost cycle....placed in an area that might be hidden or gets
less heat may cause temp spikes in the freezer during a defrost cycle.
We normally stick with " as close as possible to the original"
position.

jeff.
Appliance Repair Aid
http://www.applianceaid.com/

wrote:
Thanx Jeff for your helpful advise. I guess 2inch from the original
position is sufficient.

G

Certainly sounds like a good plan :)

jeff.
Appliance Repair Aid
http://www.applianceaid.com/

Ok, i finally got this bi-metal defrost to clip on it's original
position, i have to force it very hard to get it in, without breAKING
THE CLIP.
i am wondering if the bi-metal defrost may have been shorted or not, i
did not test with a meter. in any case, i am very surprise, on the
cramp pig tail wire connectors, there was no sealer, or tape to block
moistures, water from getting into the wires... don't know this is by
design or a flaw. i sealed the whole wire connector with electrical
tape just in case. water and electric don't mix..

g.