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Er, Uh, Kinda important
Hi!
I couldn't find alt.space.shuttle.repair, so I thought I'd come here. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix a space shuttle? The gas gauge is broken, and the other day some of the stuff I had taped together came apart, and smashed a bunch of tile gizmos or something. (Whoo! that one sure ****ed off my boss! Why that man is so sensitive about decorative tile I HAVE NO IDEA!) Anyway, he wants to launch Sunday or something, and I'll be damned if I can get this gauge thing working. I've jiggled all the wires and connectors, and I'll be damned if that helped anything. At this point I'm thinking of taking out the gauge and just putting in a light that comes on when it runs out of gas. And just to make sure I don't have to work the weekend again, I think I'll put in a burnt out lamp. Also, I was thinking maybe we could make some extra money around here by selling advertising space on the shuttle. I think a big BLACK CAT sticker would be much more appealing then those big NASA stickers anyway. Thanks for any help/suggestions! - Some technician at NASA http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/ne...05-514626.html |
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"Matt" wrote in message oups.com... Hi! I couldn't find alt.space.shuttle.repair, so I thought I'd come here. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix a space shuttle? The gas gauge is broken, and the other day some of the stuff I had taped together came apart, and smashed a bunch of tile gizmos or something. (Whoo! that one sure ****ed off my boss! Why that man is so sensitive about decorative tile I HAVE NO IDEA!) Anyway, he wants to launch Sunday or something, and I'll be damned if I can get this gauge thing working. I've jiggled all the wires and connectors, and I'll be damned if that helped anything. At this point I'm thinking of taking out the gauge and just putting in a light that comes on when it runs out of gas. And just to make sure I don't have to work the weekend again, I think I'll put in a burnt out lamp. Also, I was thinking maybe we could make some extra money around here by selling advertising space on the shuttle. I think a big BLACK CAT sticker would be much more appealing then those big NASA stickers anyway. Thanks for any help/suggestions! - Some technician at NASA http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/ne...05-514626.html I always thought those external tanks should be painted an ecru shade and made to look like condoms. You know, with a little floppy thing on the end............. Steve |
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I suggest adding a dipstick on a long string.
Don Young "Matt" wrote in message oups.com... Hi! I couldn't find alt.space.shuttle.repair, so I thought I'd come here. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix a space shuttle? The gas gauge is broken, and the other day some of the stuff I had taped together came apart, and smashed a bunch of tile gizmos or something. (Whoo! that one sure ****ed off my boss! Why that man is so sensitive about decorative tile I HAVE NO IDEA!) Anyway, he wants to launch Sunday or something, and I'll be damned if I can get this gauge thing working. I've jiggled all the wires and connectors, and I'll be damned if that helped anything. At this point I'm thinking of taking out the gauge and just putting in a light that comes on when it runs out of gas. And just to make sure I don't have to work the weekend again, I think I'll put in a burnt out lamp. Also, I was thinking maybe we could make some extra money around here by selling advertising space on the shuttle. I think a big BLACK CAT sticker would be much more appealing then those big NASA stickers anyway. Thanks for any help/suggestions! - Some technician at NASA http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/ne...05-514626.html |
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"Matt" wrote in message Anyone have any ideas on how to fix a space shuttle? The gas gauge is broken, and the other day some of the stuff I had taped together came apart, and smashed a bunch of tile gizmos or something. (Whoo! that one sure ****ed off my boss! Why that man is so sensitive about decorative tile I HAVE NO IDEA!) Are you sure its the gauge? Maybe you are out of fuel. Happened with my lawnmower once. Pushed the primer bulb, pulled the cord and nothing. Before you start playing with the gauge, check to see the tank has fuel and be sure to push the primer bulb three times. If that does not work, RTFM!!! |
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"Matt" wrote in message oups.com... Hi! I couldn't find alt.space.shuttle.repair, so I thought I'd come here. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix a space shuttle? The gas gauge is broken, and the other day some of the stuff I had taped together came apart, and smashed a bunch of tile gizmos or something. (Whoo! that one sure ****ed off my boss! Why that man is so sensitive about decorative tile I HAVE NO IDEA!) Anyway, he wants to launch Sunday or something, and I'll be damned if I can get this gauge thing working. I've jiggled all the wires and connectors, and I'll be damned if that helped anything. At this point I'm thinking of taking out the gauge and just putting in a light that comes on when it runs out of gas. And just to make sure I don't have to work the weekend again, I think I'll put in a burnt out lamp. Also, I was thinking maybe we could make some extra money around here by selling advertising space on the shuttle. I think a big BLACK CAT sticker would be much more appealing then those big NASA stickers anyway. Thanks for any help/suggestions! - Some technician at NASA This guy might have a suggestion or two. ). Maybe put a set of wings on this thing, and forgetta about the shuttle. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=4561280339 |
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"Charlie Shanks" wrote This guy might have a suggestion or two. ). Maybe put a set of wings on this thing, and forgetta about the shuttle. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eB...tem=4561280339 This thing better come with a box of Depends! holy cow! Steve |
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On 15 Jul 2005 18:34:11 -0700, "Matt" wrote:
Hi! I couldn't find alt.space.shuttle.repair, so I thought I'd come here. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix a space shuttle? The gas gauge is broken, and the other day some of the stuff I had taped together came apart, and smashed a bunch of tile gizmos or something. (Whoo! that one sure ****ed off my boss! Why that man is so sensitive about decorative tile I HAVE NO IDEA!) Have you tried tapping the glass on the gauge? Sometimes the altimeter needle sticks too, tapping it sets it free once again... snip - Some technician at NASA SpaceCowboy |
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On 15 Jul 2005 18:34:11 -0700, "Matt" wrote:
Hi! I couldn't find alt.space.shuttle.repair, so I thought I'd come here. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix a space shuttle? The gas gauge is broken, and the other day some of the stuff I had taped together came apart, and smashed a bunch of tile gizmos or something. (Whoo! that one sure ****ed off my boss! Why that man is so sensitive about decorative tile I HAVE NO IDEA!) Duh. I bet you got the positive and negative switched. Steve |
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all the parts you need at napa. You'll have it fixed by Sunday. Easy.
-- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com "Matt" wrote in message oups.com... Hi! I couldn't find alt.space.shuttle.repair, so I thought I'd come here. Anyone have any ideas on how to fix a space shuttle? The gas gauge is broken, and the other day some of the stuff I had taped together came apart, and smashed a bunch of tile gizmos or something. (Whoo! that one sure ****ed off my boss! Why that man is so sensitive about decorative tile I HAVE NO IDEA!) Anyway, he wants to launch Sunday or something, and I'll be damned if I can get this gauge thing working. I've jiggled all the wires and connectors, and I'll be damned if that helped anything. At this point I'm thinking of taking out the gauge and just putting in a light that comes on when it runs out of gas. And just to make sure I don't have to work the weekend again, I think I'll put in a burnt out lamp. Also, I was thinking maybe we could make some extra money around here by selling advertising space on the shuttle. I think a big BLACK CAT sticker would be much more appealing then those big NASA stickers anyway. Thanks for any help/suggestions! - Some technician at NASA http://www.phillyburbs.com/pb-dyn/ne...05-514626.html |
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And screw the cap off, and look into the LOX tank, and make sure it's full,
too. -- Christopher A. Young Learn more about Jesus www.lds.org www.mormons.com "Edwin Pawlowski" wrote in message . .. "Matt" wrote in message Anyone have any ideas on how to fix a space shuttle? The gas gauge is broken, and the other day some of the stuff I had taped together came apart, and smashed a bunch of tile gizmos or something. (Whoo! that one sure ****ed off my boss! Why that man is so sensitive about decorative tile I HAVE NO IDEA!) Are you sure its the gauge? Maybe you are out of fuel. Happened with my lawnmower once. Pushed the primer bulb, pulled the cord and nothing. Before you start playing with the gauge, check to see the tank has fuel and be sure to push the primer bulb three times. If that does not work, RTFM!!! |
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Well, thanks everyone, but as it turns out we decided not to figure out
why the gauge isn't working. Turns out it really isn't important after all. But, we did decide that since there were three other working gauges, we should swap the wiring between the one that isn't working, and one that is, to help us troubleshoot the problem. I asked my boss if the result of this could be that we end up with 2 gauges that don't work - he told me 'shut up kid' and 'get with the program'. Also, he told me: 'multiple failures would have to occur in multiple systems for the worst-case scenario to come true'. Also that: 'Bottom line is we've performed a lot of analysis and understanding and I think we're smarter in understanding exactly what we have on the condition and what we've got with our systems.' So we have that going for us, which is nice..... Also, we found some things called 'ground problems' and got rid of them. I guess they didn't have anything to do with the original problem, and no one knew about them. I asked my boss if he was kinda embarrased to find major problems that no one noticed before, while trying to fix a problem that no one understands - he said: 'Shut up, kid, get with the program'. Oh well, I'm just a lowly technician somewhere in NASA. See ya all at the launch asplosion!! Oh - Boss said to delete all our email, and shred any that has been printed. I dunno whats up with that. Any ideas? http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050725/D8BIJ8400.html |
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Matt, 7/25/2005, 5:09:11 PM,
.com wrote: Well, thanks everyone, but as it turns out we decided not to figure out why the gauge isn't working. Turns out it really isn't important after all. But, we did decide that since there were three other working gauges, we should swap the wiring between the one that isn't working, and one that is, to help us troubleshoot the problem. I asked my boss if the result of this could be that we end up with 2 gauges that don't work - he told me 'shut up kid' and 'get with the program'. Also, he told me: 'multiple failures would have to occur in multiple systems for the worst-case scenario to come true'. Also that: 'Bottom line is we've performed a lot of analysis and understanding and I think we're smarter in understanding exactly what we have on the condition and what we've got with our systems.' So we have that going for us, which is nice..... Also, we found some things called 'ground problems' and got rid of them. I guess they didn't have anything to do with the original problem, and no one knew about them. I asked my boss if he was kinda embarrased to find major problems that no one noticed before, while trying to fix a problem that no one understands - he said: 'Shut up, kid, get with the program'. Oh well, I'm just a lowly technician somewhere in NASA. See ya all at the launch asplosion!! Oh - Boss said to delete all our email, and shred any that has been printed. I dunno whats up with that. Any ideas? http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050725/D8BIJ8400.html I work at NASA also and know how to fix this problem. We don't bother trying to repair it, we just custom build a new one and spend years convincing Quality Assurance people it is safe and sound. The reason your boss tells you "to get with the program" is that you are drinking too much and should check out the Alcoholics Anonymous program. -- "I miss. I miss. I miss. I make." Seve Ballesteros describing his four-putt at Augusta's No. 16 in 1988. |
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Greetings,
As I understand it there are four sensors. They should just fly the shuttle with three working until they can fix the fourth (which they should work very hard on.) The space shuttle is entirely safe if we keep finding reasons never to fly. We will get more missions out of the space shuttles before retirement if we take additional risks and fly more missions than if we are so careful not to let one blow up that we fly very very few missions. More spineless American syndrome if you ask me. America is trying very hard to throw away the edge we have in space technology (a very important field long term). Just my 2 cents, William |
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Dan C wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 15:59:49 -0700, wrote: As I understand it there are four sensors. They should just fly the shuttle with three working until they can fix the fourth (which they should work very hard on.) You think so? Would you like to be on it, or a family member of yours be on it, with a faulty safety system? I would have been happy to be an Astronaut. I understand that there is risk associated with it. There is risk associated with being a spy, or the president, or in the military, or any number of professions. For many, the risk is worth it. If you don't think so you can sit at home and watch it on TV while eating potato chips. Do you even understand what these four sensors actually *DO* ? My understanding is that they prevent the space shuttle from running out of fuel by shutting down the engines before that happens. If the space shuttle runs out of fuel it could blow up. The space shuttle is entirely safe if we keep finding reasons never to fly. We will get more missions out of the space shuttles before retirement if we take additional risks and fly more missions than if we are so careful not to let one blow up that we fly very very few missions. Are you speaking from the perspective of a highly educated aerospace engineer, or simply blathering like an idiot with a 3rd grade education? How could you possibly know how safe the shuttle is? You know nothing. How do I know how safe the shuttle is? Simple, the shuttle has a long history. Look at the percent of missions which result in disaster and the shuttle is roughly that safe. It is a little more dangerous now because the fleet has aged but it is also a little less dangerous because we just spend 2.5 years overhauling the fleet. I last saw the space shuttle in Florida March 9th, 2005 at which point I heard the number of 3-4% chance of failure per mission. The truth is no one knows exactly. More spineless American syndrome if you ask me. Nobody asked you, and your opinion is clearly worthless, you ignorant doofus. It is your opinion that my opinion is clearly worthless. I am an "ignorant doofus?" Come on, give me a break. America is trying very hard to throw away the edge we have in space technology (a very important field long term). You think so, huh? Who is challenging America in the "space race"? Russia? France? LOL! Who? China. China is challenging us. They are not challenging us in where they are at. They are challenging us in their rate of advance. There is currently no reason to believe they won't eventually surpass us (even though they are Communist and we are a Democracy). -- If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space. Linux Registered User #327951 PS: You aren't one of those Linux users who thinks all non Linux users are an "ignorant doofus" are you? |
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Dan C wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:50:09 -0700, wrote: Do you even understand what these four sensors actually *DO* ? My understanding is that they prevent the space shuttle from running out of fuel by shutting down the engines before that happens. If the space shuttle runs out of fuel it could blow up. Almost. Close enough for the sake of this conversation. But.... What do you think happens if the engines shut down before the shuttle has reached a high enough altitude to break free of gravity and remain in space? The problem which occurred last week was that the sensor indicated the tank was empty (when it really wasn't), and therefore would have shut down the engines. Guess what happens next... Yes, I am fully aware that the function of these sensors is important. Good thing three out of four work. We just wouldn't have redundancy for a mission while they fix it. Lots of space shuttle systems don't have redundancy. Are you speaking from the perspective of a highly educated aerospace engineer, or simply blathering like an idiot with a 3rd grade education? How could you possibly know how safe the shuttle is? You know nothing. How do I know how safe the shuttle is? Simple, the shuttle has a long history. Look at the percent of missions which result in disaster and the shuttle is roughly that safe. That is a VERY over-simplified view of things. The reality of it is that you DO NOT launch if there are things which you KNOW are problems. That way if things go wrong it is only because of things you did not know about beforehand. The real name of this process is: "Operational Risk Management" (ORM). It's how things are done. The real name of this process is "Cover Your Ass (CYA)". A spineless CYA culture is incapable of simultaneously being a Can-Do culture that makes things happen. Risks need to be taken or progress slows to a halt. People need to start getting mad about the lack of America's progress in space instead of the shuttle disasters. You think so, huh? Who is challenging America in the "space race"? Russia? France? LOL! Who? China. China is challenging us. They are not challenging us in where they are at. They are challenging us in their rate of advance. There is currently no reason to believe they won't eventually surpass us (even though they are Communist and we are a Democracy). Wrong again. China is not currently anywhere near our level. The real point here is that there is not really a "space race" any more. What are they going to do, go to the moon? You are right. We are not in a space race. We are just sitting there and China is rapidly advancing. China IS going to go to the moon. None of the people who sent us to the moon would be much help going back. In many ways it would be like going for the first time all over again. The shuttle should have been replaced after 10 years with a better vehicle and then the vehicle after that should have been replaced by now. We should have long ago colonized the moon and perhaps Mars. We should have completed the superconducting supercollider. The list goes on and on. I am happy to see bush setting some meager goals in the distant future but the fact is we have been sitting on our hands. We are just sitting here waiting to be passed. Unless we change our attitude it will happen. If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space. Linux Registered User #327951 PS: You aren't one of those Linux users who thinks all non Linux users are an "ignorant doofus" are you? Absolutely not. Good. I run Fedora or Red Hat Enterprise Linux on all of my systems. (Except I have a Mac and a Windows 2000 system specifically for testing setup in VMWare) I do some software development from time to time. What is your profession? -- If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space. Linux Registered User #327951 |
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Dan C wrote:
..... ... and therefore would have shut down the engines. ... No, it would have been one bad input to a logic-voting system... It also is in a safety system, not the primary operating system apparently... |
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Dan C wrote:
.... With a sensor of this magnitude, you don't go on a mission without redundancy. ... From what I heard, this is only one of four of a system that is the redundant system... |
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Duane Bozarth wrote:
Dan C wrote: .... ... and therefore would have shut down the engines. ... No, it would have been one bad input to a logic-voting system... It also is in a safety system, not the primary operating system apparently... IOW, it ain't nearly as big a deal as all the news-babes are trying to breathlessly tell us it is... |
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:45:21 -0500, Duane Bozarth wrote:
With a sensor of this magnitude, you don't go on a mission without redundancy. ... From what I heard, this is only one of four of a system that is the redundant system... Exactly. Again, with a sensor of this magnitude, more than one backup is needed. It's that important. -- If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space. Linux Registered User #327951 |
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On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:46:21 -0500, Duane Bozarth wrote:
... and therefore would have shut down the engines. ... No, it would have been one bad input to a logic-voting system... It also is in a safety system, not the primary operating system apparently... IOW, it ain't nearly as big a deal as all the news-babes are trying to breathlessly tell us it is... It's big enough to keep the NASA administrators and engineers from going ahead with a launch. Perhaps they know more than you do? -- If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space. Linux Registered User #327951 |
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"G Henslee" wrote in message ... Dan C wrote: On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 16:50:09 -0700, wrote: China. China is challenging us. Wrong again. China is not currently anywhere near our level. Try as you'd like, you cannot educate an idiot who thinks he knows everything. So quit trying. Yer not going to educate him or change his mind in the short time you have to work on him. Steve |
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Greetings,
Why would I lie about using Linux? I switched from Solaris to Red Hat Linux hard core since release 5.2 I have had to use Solaris, QNX, and a little HP-UX since then but I generally use Linux whenever I have a choice. Three of my last four laptops have been IBMs (and I didn't pay for the Dell) because they are well supported by Linux. I use Google Groups because it portable. Hope this helps, William G Henslee wrote: Dan C wrote: Hmmm.... so why do you post from Google Groups? Because is a lying pos. |
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Dan C wrote: On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 18:18:55 -0700, wrote: Almost. Close enough for the sake of this conversation. But.... What do you think happens if the engines shut down before the shuttle has reached a high enough altitude to break free of gravity and remain in space? The problem which occurred last week was that the sensor indicated the tank was empty (when it really wasn't), and therefore would have shut down the engines. Guess what happens next... Yes, I am fully aware that the function of these sensors is important. Good thing three out of four work. We just wouldn't have redundancy for a mission while they fix it. With a sensor of this magnitude, you don't go on a mission without redundancy. It's really that simple. That is a VERY over-simplified view of things. The reality of it is that you DO NOT launch if there are things which you KNOW are problems. That way if things go wrong it is only because of things you did not know about beforehand. The real name of this process is: "Operational Risk Management" (ORM). It's how things are done. The real name of this process is "Cover Your Ass (CYA)". A spineless CYA culture is incapable of simultaneously being a Can-Do culture that makes things happen. Risks need to be taken or progress slows to a halt. People need to start getting mad about the lack of America's progress in space instead of the shuttle disasters. There is some truth to that, but there is more to it. In this day and age, politics and public opinion play more of a part than they should (or used to). Imagine the public outcry if another Colombia happened with this mission. Public outcry means Congress doesn't fund next year. That's reality. That's spineless Americans. NASA also does an atrocious job of communicating that the goal isn't to have the least failures but instead to have the most success. I have NEVER heard anyone from NASA or a congressman or the president make remarks to that effect. They also do a poor job of managing expectations. They need to come out and say they expect things to blow up from time to time and that doesn't indicate a problem with the way NASA is doing business. They should stop apologizing when something does blow up. I don't apologize to a tenant when a roof develops a leak. I fix it and move on. Wrong again. China is not currently anywhere near our level. The real point here is that there is not really a "space race" any more. What are they going to do, go to the moon? You are right. We are not in a space race. We are just sitting there and China is rapidly advancing. China IS going to go to the moon. Assuming that is true (and I don't know that it is), how does it hurt us if they go to the moon? We've already been there. It is a matter of long term national security. Many Americans alive today have never been in a major war (WWII, etc). They simply don't see how it could happen, but it could. Countries fight with each other. This has been going on for a long time and I don't see an end in sight. "Lately" the country with some combination of the most advanced technology and the biggest military always wins. China has a significantly larger population than us. We need to stay far ahead of them technologically. If we are always ahead, we are always safe. No one knows who will be fighting who in the future. Saddam Hussein was once a good guy, now he is a bad guy. Why do Americans believe we could not be at war with China 30 years from now? I am not forecasting a war with China in 30 years any more than I could forecast the weather, but I am quite certain it will one day rain again. again. The shuttle should have been replaced after 10 years with a better vehicle and then the vehicle after that should have been replaced by now. We should have long ago colonized the moon and perhaps Mars. We should have completed the superconducting supercollider. The list goes on and on. I am happy to see bush setting some meager goals in the distant future but the fact is we have been sitting on our hands. We are just sitting here waiting to be passed. Unless we change our attitude it will happen. Most of this I agree with. I also would have liked to see us do much more with the space program over the last 30 years. What you are missing here is that the reason it hasn't happened is not the fault of NASA. It is the fault of a Congress that won't fund things, which is a result of the general public not giving a damn about space exploration. The average American today is more interested in social programs, tree hugging, and tax evasion. That is where the real fault is, right there. The American public. If you want things to change, you must begin there. I agree that the American public is the root problem. I think the generation that could have changed who the American public is missed the boat. I don't see a way out. Welfare recipients are vastly out birthing two income families. Our only hope is that something drastic will come along and rock the boat and we'll luck into a better situation. Perhaps illegal immigrants from Mexico will change the voter population and make productive change but based upon the corruption Mexicans vote for in Mexico I don't think so. Good. I run Fedora or Red Hat Enterprise Linux on all of my systems. (Except I have a Mac and a Windows 2000 system specifically for testing setup in VMWare) I do some software development from time to time. What is your profession? Hmmm.... so why do you post from Google Groups? Get a real newsreader. As for me, I'm an electronics engineer, closely associated with the federal government... What newsreader should I use? I am glad at least a tiny fraction of my tax dollars go to EE's to do something (defense contractor?). -- If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space. Linux Registered User #327951 |
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, 7/26/2005, 3:34:16 AM, wrote:
What newsreader should I use? I am not a Linux user but may I make a suggestion for Pan? http://pan.rebelbase.com/ -- "I miss. I miss. I miss. I make." Seve Ballesteros describing his four-putt at Augusta's No. 16 in 1988. |
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Dan C wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:45:21 -0500, Duane Bozarth wrote: With a sensor of this magnitude, you don't go on a mission without redundancy. ... From what I heard, this is only one of four of a system that is the redundant system... Exactly. Again, with a sensor of this magnitude, more than one backup is needed. It's that important. My intent was the reverse...because it is one of four redundant systems in a backup system, this particular sensor isn't all that important... |
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Dan C wrote:
On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:46:21 -0500, Duane Bozarth wrote: ... and therefore would have shut down the engines. ... No, it would have been one bad input to a logic-voting system... It also is in a safety system, not the primary operating system apparently... IOW, it ain't nearly as big a deal as all the news-babes are trying to breathlessly tell us it is... It's big enough to keep the NASA administrators and engineers from going ahead with a launch. Perhaps they know more than you do? Well, as of last night they were planning on going ahead irregardless of this sensor...it was listening to them yesterday evening that provided the information I had about the fact this is the redundant safety system and only 1-in-4 in it...not exactly an irreplaceable piece of data... |
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Duane Bozarth wrote: Dan C wrote: On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:46:21 -0500, Duane Bozarth wrote: ... and therefore would have shut down the engines. ... No, it would have been one bad input to a logic-voting system... It also is in a safety system, not the primary operating system apparently... IOW, it ain't nearly as big a deal as all the news-babes are trying to breathlessly tell us it is... It's big enough to keep the NASA administrators and engineers from going ahead with a launch. Perhaps they know more than you do? Well, as of last night they were planning on going ahead irregardless of this sensor...it was listening to them yesterday evening that provided the information I had about the fact this is the redundant safety system and only 1-in-4 in it...not exactly an irreplaceable piece of data... Hurray! I am heartened to hear this. Thanks for letting us know Duane. |
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Duane Bozarth wrote: Dan C wrote: On Mon, 25 Jul 2005 21:46:21 -0500, Duane Bozarth wrote: ... and therefore would have shut down the engines. ... No, it would have been one bad input to a logic-voting system... It also is in a safety system, not the primary operating system apparently... IOW, it ain't nearly as big a deal as all the news-babes are trying to breathlessly tell us it is... It's big enough to keep the NASA administrators and engineers from going ahead with a launch. Perhaps they know more than you do? Well, as of last night they were planning on going ahead irregardless of this sensor...it was listening to them yesterday evening that provided the information I had about the fact this is the redundant safety system and only 1-in-4 in it...not exactly an irreplaceable piece of data... Hurray! I am heartened to hear this. Thanks for letting us know Duane. Yeah, this whole episode has been a nauseating display of totally inept reporting exemplifying how little comprehension the news media has of what any piece of even remotely technical information means in the first place and of trying to manufacture an episode from what is, essentially, a non-event in the second. |
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On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:45:14 -0500, Duane Bozarth wrote:
From what I heard, this is only one of four of a system that is the redundant system... Exactly. Again, with a sensor of this magnitude, more than one backup is needed. It's that important. My intent was the reverse...because it is one of four redundant systems in a backup system, this particular sensor isn't all that important... Your intent (and you) are wrong. -- If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space. Linux Registered User #327951 |
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Dan C wrote:
On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 07:45:14 -0500, Duane Bozarth wrote: From what I heard, this is only one of four of a system that is the redundant system... Exactly. Again, with a sensor of this magnitude, more than one backup is needed. It's that important. My intent was the reverse...because it is one of four redundant systems in a backup system, this particular sensor isn't all that important... Your intent (and you) are wrong. How can you demonstrate that other than personal belief? I do not believe I am wrong based on what NASA said in the news conference that I saw and their announced decision to fly w/o it...if you have factual information you can reference that shows an error in what I have said, I'd be happy to reconsider. |
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On Tue, 26 Jul 2005 13:00:31 -0500, Duane Bozarth wrote:
My intent was the reverse...because it is one of four redundant systems in a backup system, this particular sensor isn't all that important... Your intent (and you) are wrong. How can you demonstrate that other than personal belief? I do not believe I am wrong based on what NASA said in the news conference that I saw and their announced decision to fly w/o it...if you have factual information you can reference that shows an error in what I have said, I'd be happy to reconsider. You'll be happy to reconsider what, exactly? That the sensor isn't important? If it wasn't, why was the mission scrubbed two weeks ago? Also, the sensor was working this morning, there was no "decision to fly without it". Discovery is now in space, let's just leave it at that. -- If you're not on the edge, you're taking up too much space. Linux Registered User #327951 |
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