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Default Furnace cycling too often? Oversized perhaps?

How often should a gas furnace cycle on and off for those living in
colder climates (Canada)? I have noticed that during winter, when
maintaining the temperature of the house steady, my furnace tends to
turn on every 5-10 minutes, staying on for about 10 minutes each time.
I find this to be a little to frequent. I have the specs from the
previous owner, and the furnace is 13 years old, 72,000 BTU (82%
efficiency) in a 1200 sq foot 2 story home. I am thinking about
getting it replaced as it had 3 separate problems this year with
components breaking down (hot surface igniter, blower, flame sensor,
etc.) and am wondering if perhaps it is oversized (i.e the frequent
cycling) and I should get a smaller model?

How long do gas furnaces typically last anyways? I have read on the
Internet that gas furnaces can last 20-25 years, but I'm wondering if
perhaps that is reflective for warmer climates where furnaces aren't
used as much. Over here the furnace is probably on from early October
until mid-May.

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How often should a gas furnace cycle on and off for those living in
colder climates (Canada)? I have noticed that during winter, when
maintaining the temperature of the house steady, my furnace tends to
turn on every 5-10 minutes, staying on for about 10 minutes each time.
I find this to be a little to frequent.


Why do you find that too frequent? Most thermostats have an adjustable
anticipator and if that is improperly adjusted it can cause fast cycling as
can a poor location of the thermostat.

I have the specs from the
previous owner, and the furnace is 13 years old, 72,000 BTU (82%
efficiency) in a 1200 sq foot 2 story home. I am thinking about
getting it replaced as it had 3 separate problems this year with
components breaking down (hot surface igniter, blower, flame sensor,
etc.) and am wondering if perhaps it is oversized (i.e the frequent
cycling) and I should get a smaller model?


I would say you are iffy age for replacement. I would likely replace it
myself in order to take the opportunity for a higher efficiency model. I
would not do it because of the cycle issue. I likely would use the
opportunity to work out a deal from my tech so it can be replaced at his
convenience and that might make it a little cheaper.

I would let the tech do a proper study of your home to determine the
correct size for the unit. This can only be done by measuring and computing
a number of factors. I know on my home when the time comes (likely
sometime in the next ten years) I will have the duct work re-done and maybe
add a two zone system.

From the information you provided there is no way anyone can answer your
size question unless they are just guessing.


How long do gas furnaces typically last anyways? I have read on the
Internet that gas furnaces can last 20-25 years, but I'm wondering if
perhaps that is reflective for warmer climates where furnaces aren't
used as much. Over here the furnace is probably on from early October
until mid-May.


Properly sized the local weather does not matter related to the useful
life.

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Joseph Meehan

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 14:53:19 GMT, Tony Hwang wrote:

wrote:
How often should a gas furnace cycle on and off for those living in
colder climates (Canada)? I have noticed that during winter, when
maintaining the temperature of the house steady, my furnace tends to
turn on every 5-10 minutes, staying on for about 10 minutes each time.
I find this to be a little to frequent. I have the specs from the
previous owner, and the furnace is 13 years old, 72,000 BTU (82%
efficiency) in a 1200 sq foot 2 story home. I am thinking about
getting it replaced as it had 3 separate problems this year with
components breaking down (hot surface igniter, blower, flame sensor,
etc.) and am wondering if perhaps it is oversized (i.e the frequent
cycling) and I should get a smaller model?

How long do gas furnaces typically last anyways? I have read on the
Internet that gas furnaces can last 20-25 years, but I'm wondering if
perhaps that is reflective for warmer climates where furnaces aren't
used as much. Over here the furnace is probably on from early October
until mid-May.

Hi,
It all depends how well your house is insulated.


Wrong. Seeing as you don't know what you're talking about,
STFU.

I have 2700 sq. ft. 2 storey house with 100,000 btu mid-efficiency
furnace. it cycles about every 20 minutes in coldest days in winter.
Those are normal wear and tear items you replaced. The blower some times
needs oiling for the shaft bearing. I think your furnace has
few more years left.


How in the hell do you pretend to know ANYTHING about it ?
Ever seen it ? Ever serviced it ? EVER EVEN BEEN IN THE SAME ****ING
BUILDING WITH IT ???

No ???? Then STFU.


I always keep HSI as a spare.
Tony
Calgary


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On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:24:01 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

I would say you are iffy age for replacement. I would likely replace it
myself in order to take the opportunity for a higher efficiency model. I
would not do it because of the cycle issue. I likely would use the
opportunity to work out a deal from my tech so it can be replaced at his
convenience and that might make it a little cheaper.

I would let the tech do a proper study of your home to determine the
correct size for the unit. This can only be done by measuring and computing
a number of factors. I know on my home when the time comes (likely
sometime in the next ten years) I will have the duct work re-done and maybe
add a two zone system.

From the information you provided there is no way anyone can answer your
size question unless they are just guessing.


Properly sized the local weather does not matter related to the useful
life.


Good, correct, and reasonable answers, all.


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On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:24:01 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

I would say you are iffy age for replacement. I would likely replace it
myself in order to take the opportunity for a higher efficiency model. I
would not do it because of the cycle issue. I likely would use the
opportunity to work out a deal from my tech so it can be replaced at his
convenience and that might make it a little cheaper.

I would let the tech do a proper study of your home to determine the
correct size for the unit. This can only be done by measuring and computing
a number of factors. I know on my home when the time comes (likely
sometime in the next ten years) I will have the duct work re-done and maybe
add a two zone system.

From the information you provided there is no way anyone can answer your
size question unless they are just guessing.


Properly sized the local weather does not matter related to the useful
life.


Good, correct, and reasonable answers, all.

Paul


This is Turtle.

I can see where this would be to your liking as to the answer. It say in a
nutshell.

Change it out with cheaper stuff but get a good deal by bargaining with the
local Tech and not the company.

Re do all the duct work.

Also Buy Pauls software to do the job with and not weather .

This is interesting reply by you Paul for the Tony fellow was wrong with his
answer by you saying that he had no ideal of what he was talking about because
Tony had not seen it and was stupid for tring to give a answer. Someone else
gives a answer and he has all the info in the say reply to give a correct answer
and the then the OP had give all info needed.

So I see if you like the replier, he makes a good one. then if you don't like
the replier, he makes a bad one. I can see where your coming from.

TURTLE

TURTLE


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If the heat exchanger in there is ok, then its got some life yet.

If you dont like how often it cycles, lots of new thermostats can
limit how many times an hour that it'll run. The less times it
cycles the more you may feel a temperature rise and drop.

There are SOOOOO many factors that can lose heat in your
home. Check for air leaks, crappy windows and insulation.

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If the heat exchanger in there is ok, then its got some life yet.

If you dont like how often it cycles, lots of new thermostats can
limit how many times an hour that it'll run. The less times it
cycles the more you may feel a temperature rise and drop.

There are SOOOOO many factors that can lose heat in your
home. Check for air leaks, crappy windows and insulation.

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In article ,
"TURTLE" wrote:
snipped weasels bull****

So I see if you like the replier, he makes a good one. then if you don't like
the replier, he makes a bad one. I can see where your coming from.

TURTLE


No, you can't grasp what was said so you reduce it to a personality
thing that you can understand.
Unfortunately you don't get any of that either.
Try not to think much weasel. That's when you do your best work.

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 14:33:13 -0400, bill wrote:

In article ,
"TURTLE" wrote:
snipped weasels bull****

So I see if you like the replier, he makes a good one. then if you don't like
the replier, he makes a bad one. I can see where your coming from.

TURTLE


No, you can't grasp what was said so you reduce it to a personality
thing that you can understand.
Unfortunately you don't get any of that either.
Try not to think much weasel. That's when you do your best work.


His **ONLY** work. In fact, his only waking moments .... not
to be confused with COGENT moments, which he never has at all.

It's funny - the boy climbs a ladder, can't figure out how to
stay up there so he falls on his head, and you can't even tell the
difference ......


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http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/

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On Wed, 18 May 2005 14:33:13 -0400, bill wrote:

In article ,
"TURTLE" wrote:
snipped weasels bull****

So I see if you like the replier, he makes a good one. then if you don't
like
the replier, he makes a bad one. I can see where your coming from.

TURTLE


No, you can't grasp what was said so you reduce it to a personality
thing that you can understand.
Unfortunately you don't get any of that either.
Try not to think much weasel. That's when you do your best work.


His **ONLY** work. In fact, his only waking moments .... not
to be confused with COGENT moments, which he never has at all.

It's funny - the boy climbs a ladder, can't figure out how to
stay up there so he falls on his head, and you can't even tell the
difference ......

Paul


This is Turtle.

No Paul , I was speaking to you as to not knowing or deciding properly what a
correct post was or to let it be posted properly. Joesph is probley a fine
craftman of the trade but when it comes to you. Well you have not done any work
in yearS or maybe 20 years and still acting like you work everyday in the
business like I do. Get real Paul your a software salesman now and not a hvac
business owner or tech anymore.

Paul when was the last time you install any equipment in the HVAC / R business
in the last 15 years ? Now let me say it must have freon in it or the likes.
Paul I know you have not done this in years with a big S.

TURTLE


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TURTLE wrote:
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:24:01 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

I would say you are iffy age for replacement. I would likely
replace it myself in order to take the opportunity for a higher
efficiency model. I would not do it because of the cycle issue. I
likely would use the opportunity to work out a deal from my tech so
it can be replaced at his convenience and that might make it a
little cheaper.
I would let the tech do a proper study of your home to determine
the correct size for the unit. This can only be done by measuring
and computing a number of factors. I know on my home when the time
comes (likely sometime in the next ten years) I will have the duct
work re-done and maybe add a two zone system.

From the information you provided there is no way anyone can
answer your size question unless they are just guessing.


Properly sized the local weather does not matter related to the
useful life.


Good, correct, and reasonable answers, all.

Paul


This is Turtle.

I can see where this would be to your liking as to the answer. It say
in a nutshell.

Change it out with cheaper stuff but get a good deal by bargaining
with the local Tech and not the company.

Re do all the duct work.

Also Buy Pauls software to do the job with and not weather .

This is interesting reply by you Paul for the Tony fellow was wrong
with his answer by you saying that he had no ideal of what he was
talking about because Tony had not seen it and was stupid for tring
to give a answer. Someone else gives a answer and he has all the info
in the say reply to give a correct answer and the then the OP had
give all info needed.
So I see if you like the replier, he makes a good one. then if you
don't like the replier, he makes a bad one. I can see where your
coming from.
TURTLE


I am not sure if I understand your response.


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TURTLE wrote:
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 14:33:13 -0400, bill wrote:

In article ,
"TURTLE" wrote:
snipped weasels bull****

So I see if you like the replier, he makes a good one. then if you
don't like
the replier, he makes a bad one. I can see where your coming from.

TURTLE

No, you can't grasp what was said so you reduce it to a personality
thing that you can understand.
Unfortunately you don't get any of that either.
Try not to think much weasel. That's when you do your best work.


His **ONLY** work. In fact, his only waking moments .... not
to be confused with COGENT moments, which he never has at all.

It's funny - the boy climbs a ladder, can't figure out how to
stay up there so he falls on his head, and you can't even tell the
difference ......

Paul


This is Turtle.

No Paul , I was speaking to you as to not knowing or deciding
properly what a correct post was or to let it be posted properly.
Joesph is probley a fine craftman of the trade


Joseph is not a fine craftsman in the trade. While I have done a little
work on my own, I am no where close to professional. My professional
experience is tax audit. I do recognize my limits, or try to, as I
recognize the limits of most people when it comes to tax audit. I call the
professional when needed.

I have learned a few things along the line so on occasion I may offer
some advice.

but when it comes to
you. Well you have not done any work in yearS or maybe 20 years and
still acting like you work everyday in the business like I do. Get
real Paul your a software salesman now and not a hvac business owner
or tech anymore.
Paul when was the last time you install any equipment in the HVAC / R
business in the last 15 years ? Now let me say it must have freon in
it or the likes. Paul I know you have not done this in years with a
big S.
TURTLE


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On Wed, 18 May 2005 23:04:01 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

This is Turtle.


snip babble

TURTLE


I am not sure if I understand your response.


You're probably trying to read it as if it were English, a
language Weasel ( Turtle ) is unfamiliar with.

Try passing through your Gibberish filter. Oops... he STILL
doesn't make any sense.

He never does.

The point he was trying to make was that his only hobby in
life is flaming me, and he can't manage to do it correctly, so he just
babbles.


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"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
...
TURTLE wrote:
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 15:24:01 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

I would say you are iffy age for replacement. I would likely
replace it myself in order to take the opportunity for a higher
efficiency model. I would not do it because of the cycle issue. I
likely would use the opportunity to work out a deal from my tech so
it can be replaced at his convenience and that might make it a
little cheaper.
I would let the tech do a proper study of your home to determine
the correct size for the unit. This can only be done by measuring
and computing a number of factors. I know on my home when the time
comes (likely sometime in the next ten years) I will have the duct
work re-done and maybe add a two zone system.

From the information you provided there is no way anyone can
answer your size question unless they are just guessing.

Properly sized the local weather does not matter related to the
useful life.

Good, correct, and reasonable answers, all.

Paul


This is Turtle.

I can see where this would be to your liking as to the answer. It say
in a nutshell.

Change it out with cheaper stuff but get a good deal by bargaining
with the local Tech and not the company.

Re do all the duct work.

Also Buy Pauls software to do the job with and not weather .

This is interesting reply by you Paul for the Tony fellow was wrong
with his answer by you saying that he had no ideal of what he was
talking about because Tony had not seen it and was stupid for tring
to give a answer. Someone else gives a answer and he has all the info
in the say reply to give a correct answer and the then the OP had
give all info needed.
So I see if you like the replier, he makes a good one. then if you
don't like the replier, he makes a bad one. I can see where your
coming from.
TURTLE


I am not sure if I understand your response.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit


this is Turtle.

Sorry to get you in this but it has nothing to do with you.

The reponce was to a selective process of paul deciding who post here and who
don't post here. if a home owner speak to his liking, he will not say a word to
them about get off the newsgroup and blow him. If a Home owner say one thing
that he does not like, he decides for the newsgroup that , that person is a
idoit and get the **** out of the alt.hvac newsgroup. Paul is Our own alt.hvac
GOD to decide what and how things will be run. Yes GOD i know your hearing what
i'm saying but it's got to be said anyway.

the only one that could understand this would be Paul our alt.hvac GOD.

TURTLE




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On Wed, 18 May 2005 23:04:01 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

This is Turtle.


snip babble

TURTLE


I am not sure if I understand your response.


You're probably trying to read it as if it were English, a
language Weasel ( Turtle ) is unfamiliar with.

Try passing through your Gibberish filter. Oops... he STILL
doesn't make any sense.

He never does.

The point he was trying to make was that his only hobby in
life is flaming me, and he can't manage to do it correctly, so he just
babbles.

Paul


This is Turtle.

Poor old Paul being eat up by that there old Turtle again. You just can't get by
with calling him a weasel , asshole, son of a bitch , and Country boy hack and
get away with him not saying anything to you. You poor Devil , i will have a
talk with myself and see if i will let you disrespect me like that and not say
anything. Bizzzzzzzzz , Time is up. No Turtle will not let you say those things
and not say anything thing to you.

Now i'm learning from you about disrespect but i'm catching on. So Bit Me Bald
Paul ! Babb Babble Babble Basbble.

TURTLE


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Johny,
I live in NS and had the same problem but with an oil furnace. The problem
was a programmable thermostat. The stat was too sensitive so I went back to
the old mercury round jobbies and the furnace works fine now. I had 3-4
furnace guys in to find out why my furnace was short cycling. Mine was
every 4-5 minutes the furnace came on for 2-3 mins and went off...and over
and over.




wrote in message
oups.com...
How often should a gas furnace cycle on and off for those living in
colder climates (Canada)? I have noticed that during winter, when
maintaining the temperature of the house steady, my furnace tends to
turn on every 5-10 minutes, staying on for about 10 minutes each time.
I find this to be a little to frequent. I have the specs from the
previous owner, and the furnace is 13 years old, 72,000 BTU (82%
efficiency) in a 1200 sq foot 2 story home. I am thinking about
getting it replaced as it had 3 separate problems this year with
components breaking down (hot surface igniter, blower, flame sensor,
etc.) and am wondering if perhaps it is oversized (i.e the frequent
cycling) and I should get a smaller model?

How long do gas furnaces typically last anyways? I have read on the
Internet that gas furnaces can last 20-25 years, but I'm wondering if
perhaps that is reflective for warmer climates where furnaces aren't
used as much. Over here the furnace is probably on from early October
until mid-May.



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PJM - please crawl back to your hvac newsgroup. You already ruined it, why
you want to do anything with this newsgroup? Evryone nows that you have no
clue about hvac. Why pretend? Idiots like you just offend other people that
try to be helpfull. Crawl back

wrote in message
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On Wed, 18 May 2005 23:04:01 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

This is Turtle.


snip babble

TURTLE


I am not sure if I understand your response.


You're probably trying to read it as if it were English, a
language Weasel ( Turtle ) is unfamiliar with.

Try passing through your Gibberish filter. Oops... he STILL
doesn't make any sense.

He never does.

The point he was trying to make was that his only hobby in
life is flaming me, and he can't manage to do it correctly, so he just
babbles.


Click every day here to feed an animal that needs you today !!!

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/

Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'

HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
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There are few things more energy wasteful than a short cycling furnace.
It is constantly having to reheat the heat exchanger enough to kick the
blower on, during that short cycle constantly repeating time period, --no
heat is being delivered to the home and a lot of fuel energy is being vented
outside.

All thermostats should have adjustable temperature differentials so you
could easily set it for much longer cycles.
The human comfort zone will allow quite a few degrees of variation of
temperature when the humidity is kept in the proper zone.
Never put up with short cycling heat and air equipment, it is very costly to
do so!
NS is, Nova Scotia? - udarrell - Darrell
--
Air-Conditioning Efficiency - "Optimizing evaporator Coil 'Heat-Load Btu/hr
first,' is critical"

http://www.udarrell.com/air-conditio...ator-coil.html


"Doobielicious" wrote in message
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Johny,
I live in NS and had the same problem but with an oil furnace. The

problem
was a programmable thermostat. The stat was too sensitive so I went back

to
the old mercury round jobbies and the furnace works fine now. I had 3-4
furnace guys in to find out why my furnace was short cycling. Mine was
every 4-5 minutes the furnace came on for 2-3 mins and went off...and over
and over.




wrote in message
oups.com...
How often should a gas furnace cycle on and off for those living in
colder climates (Canada)? I have noticed that during winter, when
maintaining the temperature of the house steady, my furnace tends to
turn on every 5-10 minutes, staying on for about 10 minutes each time.
I find this to be a little to frequent. I have the specs from the
previous owner, and the furnace is 13 years old, 72,000 BTU (82%
efficiency) in a 1200 sq foot 2 story home. I am thinking about
getting it replaced as it had 3 separate problems this year with
components breaking down (hot surface igniter, blower, flame sensor,
etc.) and am wondering if perhaps it is oversized (i.e the frequent
cycling) and I should get a smaller model?

How long do gas furnaces typically last anyways? I have read on the
Internet that gas furnaces can last 20-25 years, but I'm wondering if
perhaps that is reflective for warmer climates where furnaces aren't
used as much. Over here the furnace is probably on from early October
until mid-May.





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On Thu, 19 May 2005 08:14:01 -0400, "xyzxyzxyz"
wrote:

PJM - please crawl back to your hvac newsgroup. You already ruined it, why
you want to do anything with this newsgroup? Evryone nows that you have no
clue about hvac. Why pretend? Idiots like you just offend other people that
try to be helpfull. Crawl back


Blow me, asshole.


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I am teenager, so soliciting any sex to me is criminal offence! Please keep
this in mind as this is first and last warning, otherwise I will report this
incidence to your ISP. Please learn to express your feelings in not sexual
way. You had 3 replays in this thread and not a single one contained ANY
usefull info. Just pointing this to you.

Thank you

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On Thu, 19 May 2005 08:14:01 -0400, "xyzxyzxyz"
wrote:

PJM - please crawl back to your hvac newsgroup. You already ruined it, why
you want to do anything with this newsgroup? Evryone nows that you have no
clue about hvac. Why pretend? Idiots like you just offend other people
that
try to be helpfull. Crawl back


Blow me, asshole.


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On Thu, 19 May 2005 10:03:56 -0400, "xyzxyzxyz"
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I am teenager, so soliciting any sex to me is criminal offence! Please keep
this in mind as this is first and last warning, otherwise I will report this
incidence to your ISP. Please learn to express your feelings in not sexual
way. You had 3 replays in this thread and not a single one contained ANY
usefull info. Just pointing this to you.

Thank you


Blow me.



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.. .
On Thu, 19 May 2005 08:14:01 -0400, "xyzxyzxyz"
wrote:

PJM - please crawl back to your hvac newsgroup. You already ruined it, why
you want to do anything with this newsgroup? Evryone nows that you have no
clue about hvac. Why pretend? Idiots like you just offend other people
that
try to be helpfull. Crawl back


Blow me, asshole.


Click every day here to feed an animal that needs you today !!!

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/

Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'

HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's
http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/



Click every day here to feed an animal that needs you today !!!

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/

Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'

HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/
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TURTLE wrote:
"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
...

....

I am not sure if I understand your response.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit


this is Turtle.

Sorry to get you in this but it has nothing to do with you.

The reponce was to a selective process of paul deciding who post here
and who don't post here. if a home owner speak to his liking, he will
not say a word to them about get off the newsgroup and blow him. If a
Home owner say one thing that he does not like, he decides for the
newsgroup that , that person is a idoit and get the **** out of the
alt.hvac newsgroup. Paul is Our own alt.hvac GOD to decide what and
how things will be run. Yes GOD i know your hearing what i'm saying
but it's got to be said anyway.
the only one that could understand this would be Paul our alt.hvac
GOD.
TURTLE


I see what happened. I would guess I have blocked the sender of the
message you were responding to. I think I'll keep it blocked.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit


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On Thu, 19 May 2005 15:01:49 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

TURTLE wrote:
"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
...

...

I am not sure if I understand your response.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit


this is Turtle.

Sorry to get you in this but it has nothing to do with you.

The reponce was to a selective process of paul deciding who post here
and who don't post here. if a home owner speak to his liking, he will
not say a word to them about get off the newsgroup and blow him. If a
Home owner say one thing that he does not like, he decides for the
newsgroup that , that person is a idoit and get the **** out of the
alt.hvac newsgroup. Paul is Our own alt.hvac GOD to decide what and
how things will be run. Yes GOD i know your hearing what i'm saying
but it's got to be said anyway.
the only one that could understand this would be Paul our alt.hvac
GOD.
TURTLE


I see what happened. I would guess I have blocked the sender of the
message you were responding to. I think I'll keep it blocked.


Blow me.


Click every day here to feed an animal that needs you today !!!

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/

Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'

HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/
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"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
...
TURTLE wrote:
"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
...

...

I am not sure if I understand your response.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit


this is Turtle.

Sorry to get you in this but it has nothing to do with you.

The reponce was to a selective process of paul deciding who post here
and who don't post here. if a home owner speak to his liking, he will
not say a word to them about get off the newsgroup and blow him. If a
Home owner say one thing that he does not like, he decides for the
newsgroup that , that person is a idoit and get the **** out of the
alt.hvac newsgroup. Paul is Our own alt.hvac GOD to decide what and
how things will be run. Yes GOD i know your hearing what i'm saying
but it's got to be said anyway.
the only one that could understand this would be Paul our alt.hvac
GOD.
TURTLE


I see what happened. I would guess I have blocked the sender of the
message you were responding to. I think I'll keep it blocked.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit


This is Turtle.

Watch out below here Paul is hitting on you with sexual suggestion of blowing
him. Just watch out.

TURTLE




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On Thu, 19 May 2005 15:01:49 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

TURTLE wrote:
"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message
...

...

I am not sure if I understand your response.


--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

this is Turtle.

Sorry to get you in this but it has nothing to do with you.

The reponce was to a selective process of paul deciding who post here
and who don't post here. if a home owner speak to his liking, he will
not say a word to them about get off the newsgroup and blow him. If a
Home owner say one thing that he does not like, he decides for the
newsgroup that , that person is a idoit and get the **** out of the
alt.hvac newsgroup. Paul is Our own alt.hvac GOD to decide what and
how things will be run. Yes GOD i know your hearing what i'm saying
but it's got to be said anyway.
the only one that could understand this would be Paul our alt.hvac
GOD.
TURTLE


I see what happened. I would guess I have blocked the sender of the
message you were responding to. I think I'll keep it blocked.


Blow me.

Paul


This is Turtle.

When tring to talk up a love mate , try to do it in another group or IM chat
groups. Just a tip to the unknowing !

TURTLE


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TURTLE wrote:
"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message

.....

I see what happened. I would guess I have blocked the sender of
the message you were responding to. I think I'll keep it blocked.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit


This is Turtle.

Watch out below here Paul is hitting on you with sexual suggestion of
blowing him. Just watch out.

TURTLE


I don't worry about that kind of stuff. When someone does that,
everyone knows it for what it is, it only reflects on the one doing it. Now
if someone is giving me some nice compliments, I want to know about those.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit


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On Thu, 19 May 2005 22:37:51 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

TURTLE wrote:
"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message

....

I see what happened. I would guess I have blocked the sender of
the message you were responding to. I think I'll keep it blocked.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit


This is Turtle.

Watch out below here Paul is hitting on you with sexual suggestion of
blowing him. Just watch out.

TURTLE


I don't worry about that kind of stuff. When someone does that,
everyone knows it for what it is, it only reflects on the one doing it. Now
if someone is giving me some nice compliments, I want to know about those.


You and Weasel aka Turtle did a FINE job blowing me. Awful
nice of you to let Weasel have the 'money shot'.

How's that ?


Click every day here to feed an animal that needs you today !!!

http://www.theanimalrescuesite.com/

Paul ( pjm @ pobox . com ) - remove spaces to email me
'Some days, it's just not worth chewing through the restraints.'

HVAC/R program for Palm PDA's
Free demo now available online http://pmilligan.net/palm/
Free Temperature / Pressure charts for 38 Ref's http://pmilligan.net/pmtherm/
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On Thu, 19 May 2005 22:37:51 GMT, "Joseph Meehan"
wrote:

TURTLE wrote:
"Joseph Meehan" wrote in message

....

I see what happened. I would guess I have blocked the sender of
the message you were responding to. I think I'll keep it blocked.

--
Joseph Meehan

Dia duit

This is Turtle.

Watch out below here Paul is hitting on you with sexual suggestion of
blowing him. Just watch out.

TURTLE


I don't worry about that kind of stuff. When someone does that,
everyone knows it for what it is, it only reflects on the one doing it. Now
if someone is giving me some nice compliments, I want to know about those.


You and Weasel aka Turtle did a FINE job blowing me. Awful
nice of you to let Weasel have the 'money shot'.

How's that ?

Paul


Paul you will have to hussel your own tricks with out me for i don't go that
route.

TURTLE


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